Never believed treating girls like shit makes them want you, until yesterday!

June 11, 2017

2 days ago I found out my GF of 2 years cheated on me like a year ago. Immediately I broke up with her and was kinda heart broken so I went out clubbing with some friends the next day. I was clubbing before that as well and whenever I tried to talk to a girl I was like "Oh ehm... girls would you mind dancing with us?" and even if they said yes I would dance with them and ASK for everything and only give them compliments!

Yesterday though I found this hot girl dancing in front of me, I remembered all the advice I have read on forums and subreddits about seduction so I turned her around and told her: "Dance with me ". She was surprised a little but eventually, she did. Throughout the day I kept being an ass to her from time to time and every time I did, she was, even more, interested in myself. As the morning comes close I didn´t give any fucks anymore and told her "Let's go outside I know a nice place we can go to". I didn´t even wait for her answer I just fucking took her hand and she went with it. Eventually, at the spot, we are alone make out and the usual stuff as it starts raining. I tell her we should go somewhere with a roof above us so we don´t get wet. I really dunno what I had in mind but as we were getting close to the bus station I just stopped there and took the bus back to my place. Again without asking and again she rolled with it.

Back at my place, I fucked her and the next morning she left. This was the first ever time I took a girl with me!! And it was the first time I tried some tips from the forums, mostly leading her and not just asking for things. As an added bonus, it helped me to get over the bitch my GF was :P

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Title Never believed treating girls like shit makes them want you, until yesterday!
Author ohRyZze
Upvotes 880
Comments 191
Date June 11, 2017 10:08 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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[–]G_Petronius points points [recovered] | Copy Link

You only treated her "like shit" by the false double standard of the bluepilled world. In reality, you gave her a fun night where she met a confident guy who took the lead and just "made it happen".

[–]ohRyZze[S] 379 points380 points  (58 children) | Copy Link

Fuck blue pill standards lol. That's why you never take advice from women. Every time I asked a girl for tips she would allways be like: "You just have to be nice. Treat her like a living thing not an object." Obviously never worked

[–]Adi2208 points points [recovered] | Copy Link

The wolf does not ask the sheep for advice on how to hunt.

[–]The-Hardball-Player156 points157 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Excuse me Ms. Deer, I'm looking to shoot you or one of your friends. What's the best way to hunt deer?"

"Thanks for asking, Mr. Hunter! The best way to hunt deer is to scatter free food all through the forest, put up "no hunting" signs, hop in your car and drive a hundred miles away. There's no better way!"

"Thanks Ms. Deer, I'll do that right now!"

deer laughs and enjoys food with her deer friends

[–]1StoicCrane29 points30 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Friggin, thank you! This is exactly what I've been posting on Kezia Noble YouTube video comments. Videos basically made to psychologically castrate men through female "advice". The level of BP viewers there are will make any aware dude cringe for months. Some men weren't meant to awaken their inner Alphaness.

[–]M1ster_X7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Bluepillers have a purpose, to do the hard labor for the redpillers. Somebody's gotta make the CEOs their fortunes, right?

[–]CQC317 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

lol, do you live in reality?

There typically are no hard and fast blue pill or red pillers. It's all context.

Your alpha CEO seldom exists, he might be a badass in the boardroom but there's just as many of those who are wrapped around their wives' fingers.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Brother! What is your name on youtube?

[–]AncientScrolls6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What if the wolf is born between the sheeps, like the Ugly Duckling? How is he gonna escape the feminist matrix if he has no one to point to him the redpill?

[–]JackGetsIt128 points129 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

"You just have to be nice. Treat her like a living thing not an object."

Women give this advice because it helps them weed out betas and build validation and resources through orbiters. It's kind of like asking a starving alligator the best location to cross the river at...

I think most women under thirty are also hyper unaware of why they are attracted to certain men and are even scared and hostile about it because it's a loss of control. They just 'are' and gravitate towards what they are attracted to and exploit what they aren't attracted too. They do this completely intuitively with little to zero logic coming into play. I've met some amazing highly educated, intelligent worldly women with high power jobs that act like intolerant mindless children around men they are attracted too.

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Each time I analyze women, they remind me of that fem terminator.

Down to a fucking T. Even increasing breast size to manipulate men.

[–]GunsGermsAndSteel18 points19 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I mean, isn't that exactly what we're doing? Manipulating? I have no problem with women trying to manipulate me. It's natural.

[–]SugarCoatFree points points [recovered] | Copy Link

Yea it's funny, I got accused of trying to "manipulate" my ex as our relationship was breaking down. After the conversation; I thought to myself; I'm not trying to manipulate you-- but yet I am. Because thats what life is; we all try to manipulate each other. She was (now looking back) manipulating me by basically sabotaging our relationship; She started cheating, treating me terribly; manipulating me-- in a way to make our relationship hostile; to provoke responses from me; so she could hate me more easily; so she could justify cheating on me. And I, at the time; was manipulating her, by trying to save the relationship; because I loved her; and didn't know she was cheating; and didn't know, at least not consciously or was willing to admit; she just doesn't like me anymore. Asking someone out to lunch is manipulation. Why are you asking them to lunch... Because you want something: Even if it's just the company while you eat... you "want" company; and will act nice; offer to buy; manipulate to get just that. It's a word that is so misused and overused and really just doesn't emote what's really behind a person's actions, thoughts and words.

Manipulation linguistically is like a top tier word. With something like this that follows:


  • Employ
    • Motivate
  • Persuade
    • Con
    • Talk into
  • Compromise
    • Agree to disagree
  • Convince
    • Educate
  • Assuage
    • Calm down
    • Cheer Up

There's a underlying motivation behind each sub-word. All of them are manipulation...

[–]GunsGermsAndSteel5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I used to tell one of my exs to manipulate me all she wanted. And that the best, most effective way to do that would be to show some cleavage, bake me cookies, and give me some head.

[–]UnKnownSurviving0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting. Never thought of that way.....

[–]theredpill1964 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Manipulation has a negative connotation, but every action is a manipulation.

Picking up a pencil and putting it down is manipulating your environment. When talking to women I just tend not to use that word because it makes them think they're being dehumanized and used like a worthless object.

You've just gotta be careful about the language because once you've offended someone, they aren't interested in your logic, even if it's sensible.

[–]1StoicCrane1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The Latin root for the term manipulate is manipulus. It integrated to French to firm the term manipulate meaning to handle an apparatus in chemistry.

Manipulation is to play or control in an artful or unfair manner to one's own advantage whereas the pencil analogy you used is more akin to influence. There's a distinct difference.

[–]theredpill1960 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Thanks for the heads up. I looked it up and you're right. I suppose it's often misused in the vernacular.

[–]1StoicCrane0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

As humans we're pretty much idiots. Myself included. We use words all the time without understanding their genuine meaning. Sometimes it's best not to use them at all and emote expressions. They're way more readily understood.

[–]Discostu9716 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't think their reasoning goes as deep as you suggest. Not consciously at least. They give this sort of advice because they think it's what they should say. I've never heard a woman suggest you just go out there and show who's boss. It is what it is. And it makes sense, considering that most of them don't really know why they're attracted to someone.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They give this advice simply because it's what they want from whoever's fucking them. People know what they want, not what they have.

[–]MartinMcFlyy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've learned this can continue well into 30's

[–]DontBeAStupidCunt9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What they mean is “I want a bad boy with nice guy traits. If he doesn’t have them, I will take on the challenge to change him.”

[–]theredpill1966 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think the problem also largely stems from the fact that men don't know what women mean by this.

Being "nice and treating her like a living thing and not an object" isn't in anyway against TRP philosophy, but you have to know what it actually means, not misinterpret it.

Being nice means having good social skills, being a decent and fun person. This is high-status, high value behavior. Breaking rapport/ antagonistic flirting is totally in line with being nice because of the emotional sub-communication. The emotional subcommunication and the implied frame.

A confident, desirable guy who knows how to flirt and humorously teases her in a socially calibrated way even if using language that would be harsh way is "nice" while a guy who is nice the ways guys interpret and is a total doormat/ socially unaware creep is not "nice".

Treating her like a living this and not an object is also good advice, supposing a guy actually knows how to do that. Most guys who aren't good with women think treating her like a living being means being overly friendly/polite. Many guys coming out of blue pill conditioning will swing the opposite direction too far an starting treating women as fuck-toys, but as one advances, it's about realizing that treating women like people doesn't necessarily mean being supplicating, weak, overly formal, super polite,etc.

It means remembering that they're people and being aware of their emotional needs and not being some abusive asshole who just doesn't care about their well-being. Many men will tell you to not care and advocate a sort of pseudo-stoicism because they don't know how to get emotionally involved without losing frame because they can't handle intense emotional connection without falling apart. The more grounded you become, the more you'll be able to handle it.

[–]dontcheckmyredditlol16 points17 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Treating girls like shit, will get your a girl temporarily. If you want to make it WORK with a girl, that is definitely not enough to make her stay. Girls like a guy who's cool and confident and can take charge. That doesn't mean they want a guy to be an asshole. Lol.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

The problem, though, is that before you can be with a girl long term, you have to convince her to be with you in the short run as well-- "temporarily." Ultimately it is on them to regulate how they respond to their desires. It's well within their power to not reward assholes with pussy. But if that's the way a given woman chooses to behave, why would I want to be with her long term?

[–]dontcheckmyredditlol3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You shouldn't want to be. Any girl like that is most likely a waste of time. Hopefully she grows up and learns to search for better.

[–]Manreforged4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

But they all start out like that, and "growing up" usually means getting off the cc because the wall is imminent.

If a ltr is what you want, best to give off the asshole vibe to give her tingles. When people say - don't date him, hes a jerk - She will hampster it away by saying she can change you.

[–]1StoicCrane0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So pathetically predictable aren't they? Kind of make me resent that I'm hardwired to fuck them otherwise I'd want nothing to do with the idiots. Some are OK, granted but most are borderline retarded in behavior.

[–]TurgidMeatWand2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think it doesn't work because most blue-pillers idea of "nice" is to be needy, servile, and agreeable.

[–]Boovs4life1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Or the classic "just be yourself"

[–]Nydusurmainus3 points4 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Yeah i wouldn't exactly call that treating her like shit, neither of you were there to find a serious relationship and you just didn't pretend. She was into you, she didn't have to think all night, she just had to go with it and if at any point that night she decided she didn't like you she would have just walked away.

Context is important but remember as the famous poet and philosopher ludacirs says "you can't turn a hoe into a housewife" so if you end up wanting another serious relationship watch out for women like this because she clearly had no drive of her own. Self driven women are far more likely to be loyal as they work hard and therefore often see the value of what the male does. You'd be hard pressed getting a loyal woman to do anything like this.

[–]ohRyZze[S] 1 point2 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

So how do you pick up GF or wife material?

[–]Nydusurmainus13 points14 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Not at clubs, get a hobby. Meet through friends. Spend time and observe

[–]1StoicCrane2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Can't gauge if a potential GF or LTR will hop on the CC the moment you two get serious through hobbies. AWALT 24/7.

[–]Nydusurmainus1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are fucking worse than an engineer with the acronyms.

[–]1empatheticapathetic-2 points-1 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

It don't make a Fucking difference bro.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I guarantee you, the quality of person that you meet at a club will be significantly lower than that of, say, someone you met while volunteering. If you're looking for wife material at a club, you very well may be retarded.

[–]Ou-tis1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

In general yes,if you are looking for a ltr/wife material girl she is not drunk at 3 am in a club.

[–]1empatheticapathetic0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think I know anyone (girl or guy) who hasn't been at a club at 3am before. That's just standard western protocol these days.

You're also implying NAWALT. I know women who 'shouldn't' cheat on their partners based on their 'profile' but have done and continue to do so. I know women who go to clubs and who are monogamists (as far as I can tell).

It's a superficial judgement in my opinion. I'm sure the correlation is definitely higher but it's not a rule. It's based on the specific girl where they fall on the AWALT spectrum and where they might be in their life. Being a slut and 'empowered' or being in a relationship. And we know those states are based on how they feel at any moment and their options.

And who's going to a club looking for wife material? Irrelevant question.

[–]sour_jesus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

People think it don't make a difference but it do.

-black long-term marriage man

[–]majaka12342 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I go to meet ups and language exchange events.

It tends to attract professional level women who are the higher intellect type and generally international or new to the country.

Last week met a nice Sri Lankan, Colombian, Chinese and Japanese girl. Set up a date with three of them and banged one of them so far.

Two of them are flakes, the Sri Lankan girl is the only one that turned out to be a bit of a gold digger but the other three are all above and beyond the type of woman I would ever meet in a club environment.

It helps that I love learning languages and so meeting women that share that passion as well is just a cool bonus.

[–]AncientScrolls3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He doesnt. He will probably get hit by a "career-oriented women" in her 35-40s that got tired of riding the cock caroussel and is now looking for a beta provider , who thinks he is the big shot, to settle and turn him into her personal doormat/footstool.

[–]UnKnownSurviving0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

YEAH! NEVER EVER take advice from women! Lol That shit never work!

But I've gotta say, great job on your confidence/IDGAF attitude moments.

[–]HQmellow0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Whahaha. Are you seriously saying that treating a woman "like a living thing not an object" never got you laid? Damn people here are some kind of crazy. I'm not saying I get laid every week (sometime not for 2 weeks), but saying it "never works" is just straight BS. People like you should try and stick that red pill of yours up your ass. <3

[–]chaosrunssociety0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

That's actually sound advice. Treating anyone like an object is just whack. Also, the word nice is so vague you should just ignore it like a platitude.

But when you indeed take the lead, you're not treating her like an object! You're treating her like a woman - objects don't follow. Biologically and/or economically speaking, women need some directing; they're subconsciously loathe to give up their finite reproductive resources!

You just sound like a mysogynist. The point is to love women, not hate them. But damn, you can love them without sacrificing everything it is to be you. Grow the fuck up.

[–]1StoicCrane1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You just sound like a mysogynist.

First all learn how to spell the word misogynist.

The point is to love women, not hate them. But damn, you can love them without sacrificing everything it is to be you. Grow the fuck up.

If you spent at least 5 minutes reading the side-bar (we all know you didn't) you'd understand that most women are devoid of lovable characteristics. All they seek to do is fuck guys with the best genes while handling guys with the most resources. Whether it be money, attention, validation, whatever. That's it.

Before you don the armour of White Knightness go the hell back to TBP and spare us the stupidity. No one wants it here.

[–]chaosrunssociety2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Have you even spoken to a woman? From what you said, it sounds like your entire worldview comes from reading a couple webpages and not life experience. That's not very prudent because - even if those webpages prove to be accurate - that's simultaneously playing roulette and being a puppet - both things clearly against the spirit of this community.

Its one thing to condemn an entire half of the population based on experience in combination with a consensus of facts, and it's another to do so because a few websites say you should. Reason, skepticism, logic, and therefore masculinity seem to elude you.

You're just another irrational sheep, waiting to be slaughtered by the nearest wolf.

[–]1StoicCrane1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Go argue with someone interested in the bull your posting. I'm not the one.

[–]Shakydrummer15 points16 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Basically. Being confident and leading a woman is considered treating them like shit, which is such a hilarious joke.

[–]AncientScrolls7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Blame years of brainwashing by the feminist mainstream media, stating that being a man is a misdemeanor!

[–]1ozaku72 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly, I don't see how he treated her like shit. He just took the lead and gave her the option to follow or go her own way. She decided to follow.

[–]Eastuss1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Came to that post expecting exactly what you describe in your comment, scrolled to the comments expecting exactly your comment.

I'm pretty sure that if I go the TBP I'll see a post like "Terp basically raped a girl and is proud of it" or something related to "rape culture".

[–]mydatingbible74 points75 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Confidence works wonders my friend, having a plan and being a leader is what girls like, well done.

[–]ohRyZze[S] 30 points31 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It changed my fucking world to be honest. Love this sub so much for the great tips.

[–]slay_it_forward10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Which was common sense to our grandfathers. It's only now, after decades of feminism that men need to be taught how to be men again.

[–]1scissor_me_timbers003 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Jesus no kidding. I've realized there's many things in our current shit culture that are forgotten, but which were common sense to our grandfathers. Fucking "progress" my ass.

[–]brainhack3r0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

My GF literally tells me "I hate making decisions" ... She likes me being the leader. It's not even an alpha/beta decision. It's really just picking a direction and going with it.

[–]HQmellow0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I 100% agree with this, but not with "act like an asshole"

[–]veganishell257 points258 points  (30 children) | Copy Link

You didn't treated her like shit, you just showed you're not afraid about rejection

[–]ohRyZze[S] 59 points60 points  (29 children) | Copy Link

Well by saying i treated her like shit, I was not referring to the things i wrote, but it was more of a summary of the things I didn´t write because it would be a huge post. For example, when talking to girls previously I would never think about criticizing anything she says but now I did in a really harsh way. She told me she is studying music for example and I told her: "That´s a pretty useless thing to study unless you are already outstanding at some instrument or singing. I can´t imagine you can sing well so what instrument do you play?". After she told me she doesn´t play anything she wanted to learn it during college I told her "That's kinda dumb, you aren't the brightest are you? And I thought I was starting to like you"

[–]Scymnus69 points70 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

That's not treating her like shit, that's just being honest. The thing is when you've treated girls like princesses all your life treating them like any other human being feels like you're being an asshole. You'll get used to it.

[–]ohRyZze[S] 11 points12 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

So is it actually bad what I did? Or not good enough? How would you go about treating her like shit?

[–]Scymnus20 points21 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Nah it was just harmless flirting, but I'd say it was spot on. No point in crossing the line with new girls, reserve the nukes for plates/LTRs who step out of line.

I like to go full patriarchal if I need to put a woman in her place, in this case I'd ridicule her for most likely ending up as a glorified prostitute for label CEOs given her lack of musical talent. This can only be done once you've established an incredibly strong frame, but do a search for "black knighting" if you want to know more.

[–]ohRyZze[S] 12 points13 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

God damn its so nice to learn new things about this. Currently i have 8 tabs open with red pill truths i gotta look through well make that 9 now :P

[–]_BITCHES_LOVE_ME_ points points [recovered] | Copy Link

That guy is full of shit. You were 100% being rude. Sometimes it's good to be rude, but make no mistake criticizing someone's career/life choice like that and saying they're not bright is most definitely rude in most people's eyes. You are right in your observations but that is certainly a rude way to phrase yourself.

It works, I do the same thing and I'm not saying you were wrong to do it, but you should at least be aware that you're being rude and try to come off at least half-jokingly imo. Some people will take offense by statements like that so you should be aware, otherwise you can't convincingly claim you were kidding around (it's not joking if you genuinely believe it and don't realize people would take offense).

[–]ohRyZze[S] 11 points12 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Okay maybe i went to far you are right. But i am here to learn so thx for the constructive critisism.

[–]_BITCHES_LOVE_ME_ points points [recovered] | Copy Link

I'm not sure you went too far. It's all about how you say it. If you don't know when you're being rude you can't play it off with a smile/laugh/joke to show her you're playing if she seems offended.

I often say horrible shit to women but I know they're horrible and they know I know they're horrible so I get away with it. If you just completely dead-pan tell women "you're an idiot who's made terrible life choices" and you believe it and you don't think you're wrong in saying it then you'll seem like a sociopath. Some chicks might be into it but it's not gonna work on girls with higher self-esteem if you say something genuinely bad, so be aware is all I'm saying.

[–]ohRyZze[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I know what you mean. Gotta be more carefull :)

[–]Pro_Like_Me5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

yeah he's right. What you said isnt harmless flirting or being rude relly it was just a dumb line which gets you nowhere. You can be a "good" dick or a bad "dick".

[–]ohRyZze[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Well it got me somewhere haha

[–]1scissor_me_timbers002 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think the simplest formulation is to treat them like your little sister. They generally like a guy who is warm but aloof. Who is totally comfortable around them. Who will call them on their bullshit when they're being bratty.

[–]lifeisledzep4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Careful mate. Sometimes this stuff can be overbearing when done all at once.

[–]ohRyZze[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I know i know :/ i even find a lot of contradictions which bothers me a lot when learning a new thing. Will take it slow step by step tho

[–]mr-no-homo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Never heard of black knighting. Will look into it.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Start by realizing that you didn't treat her badly at all. You set the frame and led her. That is what they want so grata on figuring that out.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah he's being honest, but I think that qualifies for asshole behavior--calling a person dumb and all. Yeah, definitely asshole. I mean telling some random obese woman that she looks like shit is also being honest, but it's not a decent thing to do. Just don't date her if you think she looks horrible, and if enough men think likewise she'll figure it out.

If this sort of talk gives her tingles, I can't fault her for a basic biological response more than I can fault guys for being turned on by women that dress like whores. Between the tingles, and her agreeing to have sex with the guy, however, is a space where free will operates, and she can be faulted for giving it up to a guy who acts like this.

I'm not criticising this as a game strategy--what works works. I think for a lot of women playful banter is sufficient--male friends will sometimes bust each others chops, but it's self understood that this is just a form of verbal play, not genuinely "asshole" behavior. I don't see why it needs to be any different with women. But not every harsh remark can be painted over as just playful banter.

I see the OP below wants to if what he did was "bad" from a moral sense: I would say yes, but it's not the worst thing in the world, given the fact that game is a response to the corrupt behavior of women in modern society, not the other way around. If you want to be a genuinely moral guy when it comes to dating women, it would be in your best interest to date within a subculture where women are less likely to give it up to men that play asshole game, and primarily date with marriage in mind. I.e. A dating culture where women are more likely to reward men who are reliable, principled, and honorable.

[–]Scymnus1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Being turned on by dominant behaviour is the true nature of women, no amount of social pressure can truly change that. They were always fucking around, just not as much and they were better at hiding it. You don't seem to fully comprehend this.

We do what works, not what is decent. If you were looking for the morally correct amswer TRP is the wrong place to discuss it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"We do what works, not what is decent. If you were looking for the morally correct amswer TRP is the wrong place to discuss it."

The question posed above was whether he treated her like shit, not did it work, so I answered it. My answer is the correct one, but I wouldn't have offered it, if the question wasn't asked.

Because he seemed to care, I offered him an out: try to seek out a different sexual marketplace, which means a more conservative culture or religion--some being more effective than others for this purpose--where he can mate with a cleaner conscience. It won't change basic female biology, nor would I advocate he become a beta, because the female nature remains the same, but the dating dynamics change, as well as the probability of infidelity. Furthermore it becomes less necessary to become outright dark triad to demonstrate dominance. You can observe this even in general society: the traits required to demonstrate male dominance at some rich, preppy high school, are not as drastic, or socially destructive, as those needed in urban Detroit.

Though I didn't need TRP to intuit this, I have seen it observed on redpill sites, that the response by men to the sexual behavior of women in modern western society, where sexual contraints are almost completely absent, can take 3 main forms: 1) MGTOW 2) PUA/Game/"Enjoy the decline"--which is what is most often discussed here 3) Date within the context of a different sexual marketplace (more conservative culture/religious subgroup). I suggested he consider #3.

TRP is effective for discussing the lower impulses of humanity in great detail, free of PC, and for that reason it is a tremendous achievement, but in my view tends to be reductionistic as a result. People are born selfish, but more noble elements of their character can emerge (emerge, as in the potential is there all along) with training, though the basic animal instincts always REMAIN--one is simply better equipped to decide how to respond to the instincts, especially if he or she can satisfy the animal instincts to a sufficient degree to make the internal conflict less acute. The optimum scenario is where the animal impulses are satisfied to a degree, but are otherwise parlayed into socially constructive institutions such as marriage to an individual of sufficiently high SMV who also has the necessary character to go the distance.

I'm aware that moral issues are not generally brought up on this forum, but they are occasionally. Your tendency to bracket moral questions for the sake of pragmatism does not actually make them go away, and because of what's at stake you may be ultimately in for a rude awakening if you get it wrong.

[–]zephyrprime0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That is indeed treating her like shit.

[–]Nydusurmainus2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I wouldn't have said that, I would have stopped talking to her. God that is stupid.

[–]aDrunkenWhaler2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's definitely being a dick, but sometimes it works. Usually, if the conversation is done just between the two of you, younger women or women with low self esteem will eat that shit up. The daddy issues will surface, they'll search for validation etc. Smack them around in bed and they should pay you for the therapy session.

[–]zephyrprime0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I am honestly surprised that being this mean didn't get her to reject. I have never been anywhere this mean to a girl without getting her to leave me or cold shoulder me.

[–]ohRyZze[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well you cant do it just as you meet her. You have to wait until you have her attraction.

[–]ChadThundercockII0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Watch Gone With the Wind. You acted like Rhett Butler . Basically, like every man should be acting. Honest and with integrity.

[–]The_M0rning_Star-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That has nothing to do with treating her like shit. You manipulated her into the desire to impress you. Studying music impressed some other boy somewhere else, and when it didn't work on you she was eager to be more impressive. Newsflash: you can manipulate that desire WITHOUT being a giant ass. If you just re-order those words, you'd have the same effect, while still being truthful, and seem like less of an ass.

I study music Ooo and I was just starting to like you too What?? Well, what instrument do you play? I don't play any instruments What's the point of studying music then??

[–]Salted_Pretzel45 points46 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Great job. I'm learning how to not give a fuck as well, it's hard as we are programmed to give fucks.

[–]ohRyZze[S] 14 points15 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Guess the trigger was the breakup with my gf. It was truely the turning point where I told myself its now or never I am in my fucking prime years why should I give any fucks?

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Ive found that theres always "that one" break up thats the eye opener. This is the one that makes your brain click.

[–]Darksh4dow886 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You don't necessarily have to go through a breakup to recognize reality. I never had a gf and obviously no breakups but I just see that this stuff works, therefore I apply it and have success.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree. But Im willing to bet theres a large demographic, myself included, of dudes here that had that kick to the nuts breakup that brought them to TRP.

[–]ohRyZze[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It was my first serious relationship. We were together for over 2 fucking years all the other ones were 6 months tops

[–]p3n1x3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I am in my fucking prime years

You are a man, your "prime" years start the day you produce sperm up to the day you die.

"Prime" only goes away because dudes go beta, get fat & complacent.

[–]ohRyZze[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

But you cant bang 16 17 18 year olds when you are 40

[–]p3n1x7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy Link


Yes, you can and it is legal.

when you are 40

lol, get over this bullshit now. There are plenty of young women that drool over a more experienced and financially sound male than a little nervous chihuahua trying to be the alpha dog.

To drill down, what you learned to do a few nights ago, some of us have been doing for decades.

[–]ohRyZze[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Lol mate sry that I insulted you personally. Its just that I THOUGHT no 16 or 18 year old would want ME when i am 40. Not generally

[–]BobbyPeru1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You'd be surprised if you take good care of yourself. I'm in my late 40's, but in the best shape of my life - I lift 5-6 days a week. I routinely get hit on by women in their 20's and 30's. My cousin has a 18 year old daughter, and she said I was ripped and hot when he showed her a pic of me without my shirt.

[–]p3n1x0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I can speak harsh sometimes, not insulted.

If you continue down the path of self growth and exploration, you would shit your pants knowing the amount of woman that want your time and attention at 40.

[–]5t3fan0-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

we are programmed to give fucks.

we are programmed brainwashed to give fucks way too many fucks.

[–]DadOnDabs40 points41 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Be careful of going overboard with this like I did. It works on club and party sluts but having this approach in day game rarely works. Try aiming for the asshole with a smile. Basically laugh and treat them like a child but don't come off as a dick. Try coming off as an adult who doesn't take their child seriously.

[–]ohRyZze[S] 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Yea would dare doing it during day game. Thx tho gotta bookmark that thats a nice explenatiom what the boundries are

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You know, you have to try doing it during the day. That's the only way that you learn and find out what works and what doesn't work.

EDIT: Fixed copy and paste error

[–]ohRyZze[S] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Its the next step :P you know any good guids for day game?

[–]slay_it_forward1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Check out Tom Torero's youtube channel.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor28 points29 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

How is what you did treating a girl like shit? You were a man being direct and not a sniveling bitch trying to get into a girls pants by pretending to be nice and pretending to care about her bullshit.

[–]ThrowThatBitchAway69 points points [recovered] | Copy Link

Man. You have given me drive! My girlfriend of 3 years "left me" for another guy. But I now know looking back on it that she was definitely cheating for atleast 6 months. Her sister was a main proprietor of all of it. I just found out maybe 4 days ago. I am in the middle of packing up all of my shit, and moving to a busy city. Swallowing as much of the red pill as I can before I leave in 10 days. Thanks for the boost!

[–]ohRyZze[S] 10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

God damn stay strong bro :/ Look for a good post about break up on this sub. Just reading it helped me a lot. Just fuck girls hobestly there is no point in being nice to them

[–]1SirKolbath3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We've all been there, brother. It DOES get better.

[–]GrabHerByThePEPE1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good luck mate. You're making the right choice. Get to the point where you're thanking you ex for cheating, as it helped bring you to [the point].

[–]alefmale1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good man.

Now take away those quotes from

"left me"

and you're on your way to swallowing the pill.

[–]p3n1x0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Her sister was a main proprietor of all of it.

Nope! You were, with a dash of hypergamy. Start with the dude in the mirror before hamstering the blame onto the sister.

[–]HangingSalami7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Great Report. It sounds like you just spat da truth as harsh as it sound. Something obvioulsy refreshing about a man that truly speaks his mind...hopefully in a witty/sarcastic tone with sexualized overtones next time. Good Luck!

[–]ohRyZze[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Will do ;) just wanted to throw this out as quickly as possible but there are more reports coming for sure

[–]HangingSalami0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

cool. It would be helpful if you got more into the verbal back and forth interplay. Right now it sounds like you steamrolled asshole frame. But it why GAF

[–]Sherlock--Holmes6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

JSYK, you didn't "treat her like shit", you led.

[–]butter_coffee7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She liked being "led" by you so it could get pass her asd. If you ask her want sum fuk, and she says yes, that makes her a slut. If you just lead her implicitly, she can pretend she wasn't.

[–]untonyto5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I like how it sound like at every step you were surprised how well things were going because they are not "supposed" to work like that. Sometimes I try to really ruin the chemistry but you would be surprised how damaged these women are.

[–]ohRyZze[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yea i never knew girls are like that. I allways considered my self a guy who knows how to get girls around but after discovering this I couldnt believe it how wrong i was

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

There's a big difference between actually treating a girl like shit and some light fun teasing.

The only girls who will stay with you when you treat them like shit are damaged/daddy issues types. Quality girls have options.

Girls like teasing because it lightens things up. There's this weird tenseness about asking someone for permission and being polite about shit all the time in a totally casual environment like a club. It's also a sign that you're nervous/approval seeking which as we all know is a pussy drier.

Dudes only get called an "asshole" because 1.) they got the girl you had your eyes on and you're salty about it. 2.) She found out he's a player and got salty about it.

Plus girls don't feel bad about rejecting guys like this so they're going to feel less guilty about calling him an asshole versus some nice guy who can barely get a girl's attention for 5 minutes once a year. It's like how women don't feel bad about shitting on or calling actual hot women "fat", "stupid" "ugly" etc.. Because they know it's not true and they're just projecting their own insecurities.. Lol.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're right that women will criticize other women's appearances, but it's not solely due to their "insecurities." This is actually well established psychology, which is explained by the Sexual Strategies Theory. It basically proffers that women will criticize another woman's appearance or promiscuity, while men will criticize other men's resources/fitness.

It comes down to differences in both sexes - females requiring a long gestation period, while males can theoretically inseminate thousands of women with little time in between. Why is that important? Well it makes the selection process for dudes kind of easy: I see an attractive female, I want to inseminate her. Females, on the other hand, have a bit more work cut out for them. They have to weigh things like a potential partner's resources, and his consequent ability to support her; his social dominance, and how that may manifest itself; in addition to those, she also has to determine how "fit" his genes are, which is determined through how "masculine" his physical appearance is.

This is embedded in our genes for good reason too. Think of it this way - males never had to worry about being saddled with kids, but only had to concern themselves with reproducing as much as physically possible. And that's because reproducing as much as possible meant spreading your genes the most. Pretty straightforward, right? Well it's not the same for women, because once they actually choose with whom they wish to reproduce, they are saddled with the fucking kid for months on end. In other words, for women, the stakes are A LOT higher.

And wow I'm now realizing that this is running the risk of being a complete non sequitur to what you said, but I couldn't help myself.

SO, in sum, when your girl is criticizing another girls appearance or promiscuity, now you know why - Differential Parental Investment, and Sexual Strategies Theory. And now when you lose that girl you've been going after all night in the club, and she decides to run off with that other douche, you'll know why you go fuck that loser he's an unsuccessful fuck anyway, before zeroing in on your plan B.


[–]ddelicia4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Glad for you OP, happy you are making progress.

[–]covertpenguin33903 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Good for you man. Confidence is really all you need out there. Do be aware though, you're not over your gf yet. You dated for two years and both parties always pay the piper emotionally no matter what you do. Not trying to be a downer, but when you wake up in a few weeks hung over or whatever after not getting laid for a few weeks and getting shot down the previous night by a girl you were interested in, is when it'll finally strike (obviously I just made that up but I think you get what I mean). I say this so when it happens you're aware it's normal and already have made the mental decision to not contact your ex which you will have the strong urge to. Good luck man and keep slayin.

[–]ohRyZze[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Thx bro i am completely aware of that. I looked up a post of a guy who made a plan how to get over it following it right now so i guess i will be okay

[–]covertpenguin33902 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Nice. Yeah I remember breaking up with girls when I was younger and I would do what you're doing and feel awesome for a few weeks while my brother who is much older would try and say that I'm not over her yet. I of course was like whatever, and like always, he was right and it would eventually hit haha biggest thing is to be careful with alcohol and make sure that your career/school and the gym don't fall by the wayside when those bad feelings finally hit you. Seems like you have a good handle on it though.

[–]ohRyZze[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I even let myself grief for the first week until i start with the whole forgettong her thing. Dont feel ashamed to admit that I even cried a few times i just dont want to hold it inside myself so its easier tp get rid of after the griefing week :P

[–]RPBulletDodger0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You are gonna be just fine my dude.

Great post and observations.

[–]ohRyZze[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thx bro. So nice to hear that

[–]MakeDatingGrateAgain2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There's a difference between being "treating girls well" and "being a cuck" actually.

[–]everyone_wins1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol if that's treating women like shit then I'm a real misogynist.

[–]1PantsonFire12341 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And yet she will cheat on you eventually. What is your contingency plan when you became IDGAF, Red Pilled, PUA, High SMV and she still decides to mix it up by fucking some other guy?

These posts about "Gee TRP actually works who would have thought!" are starting to become less and less relevant. I get that they are important steps for a mans unplugging. But why these threads litter the front page is beyond me.

After a couple of years you like everyone else will come to the conclusion that modern women are broken and that no amount of treating her like shit will keep her in line for long. And I'm not even talking about a relationship. I'm talking about having a plate and having her flake because she believed something new or better came along. You can't depend on them at all.

I've browsed TRP for years and for the last year or so I opted for a break and I noticed that there is no actual progression here. People hold on to the same values and beliefs they did years ago. Yet this doesn't resonate at all with my experiences. As I find that every year the rabbit hole goes a little deeper. More insight is gained. Am I the only one?

[–]Demsatanworshiper points points [recovered] | Copy Link

Getting lucky is a game of large numbers. The less you play, the less you win. The more you play, the more you win. To play more you have to have confidence and be accepting of rejecting and not getting what you want, but also sticking to your guns and going for what you want. Second a woman says no, you move on to the next one. You don't negotiate, you don't plead, you man up and move on.

I had a cute little big-titted Peruvian number try and relegate me and play it off that she wasn't interested. Each time I'd come back with things like "Yeah, I'm awesome." "Well, that sucks for you." "Hey, not my loss." "Man, how many little boys have disappointed you? Don't worry I'll fix that for you."

If she rejected me or peaced out, that's life, find the next disposable pussy with a life support system to play with till I got bored. Eventually I had this girl begging me on the phone to come over and fuck her without a condom while her fiancee was at work. Take her asshole virginity card while I was at it (don't believe but it's nice to hear). And all I had done at this point was kiss her some, be an arrogant jerk, talked about how good I was fucking other women, and done some phone sex with her.

Only problem is she was a two hour drive to see each time (not a big problem when I had to be in court that way anyways), and I'm married. Fun head fuck nonetheless, especially when I cut her loose and she was all tears and confusion.

[–]ohRyZze[S] -2 points-1 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

You are the man!!! How do you know if she is testing you or really rejecting you?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

You don't give a fuck. That's the point. Do you and have fun. Be confident, and when they call you out as arrogant or overly confident use "Well, experience has taught me well." And other jewels like "When I've been myself, I've fucked dozens of orgasms out of a woman when I take them." Or one of my favorite "Hey I just want to wreck your pussy till you cum a hundred times in under thirty minutes."

Play to have fun and don't sweat those who don't play. Women who enjoy sex and are good at it, want men they deem "powerful and strong." Part of that is being confident.

[–]ohRyZze[S] -2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

God damn it you are like a fucking priest preach bro 😂

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Not a priest, just an errant Pilgrim in a land of weak degenerates who secretly hunger for me to destroy them.

[–]ohRyZze[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Still fun for a noob like me to listen to you

[–]sternje points points [recovered] | Copy Link

Also, you're probably average or above average in appearance. That's very nice for you. Nobody ever addresses this aspect in trp, but dicks attached to good looking, popular, rich, successful guys get to go into pussies with nice looking life support systems around them.

[–]ohRyZze[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I have to say people in the club even if i dont hook up with then tell me I am at least top 20% of the guys there. Also many assume I am roch because I study finance (sortof a clichee here) but i just never tell them i am not.

[–]sternje points points [recovered] | Copy Link

Finance 101: Investing in pussy is high risk.

[–]ohRyZze[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

My modell tells me its about 99% sure

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I was a "nice guy" as a kid. My girlfriend at the time asked what I would do if she began flirting with another guy and left me for him. I told her I'm just happy if she's happy.

I was a huge cuck when I was 9. No father figure.

Anyways. As I grew I learned. Long story short, I was nice to a girl when I was 19 and she broke up with me. I was a pushover I admit, but the point is that too much adoration is not good.

So I became a dick because I just grew sick of it. I told my friend some women are stupid and to check this out. Went to say my goodbyes as I was leaving the state again and by the end of the night she was in tears and telling me to make sure to call her. I would have been able to bang but her family was in the house.


Some women crave assholes. That's just how it is.

Also, you weren't an ass. You were just assertive. I was actually an ass. She laughed and called it humor, but when I called her a snagged toothed, conceited slut, I was actually being serious.

It's how you say it, not what you say

[–]sumethreuaweiei0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

How'd you keep her still attracted on the way back? How'd you start fuckin, did you close the door and just start making out?

[–]ohRyZze[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Honestly i am sure you are gonna cringe but fuck it. In the bus it was pretty mellow we were still drunk as fuck and talked about eeeverything. At home we sat at the couch foe like 5 sec because it was my first time in the situation an i really cringed out. She told me she wanted to watch a mpvie tho so we lie in my bed watch some movie on the laptop and i fucking nodded out because i was so tired. She just kept watching lol and eventually asking if i am allright. Suddenly the laptop goes black and we realize we didnt plug it in. That was the moment when my brain clicked again and told me to not be a cuck. I told myself fuck it and said "yo this has to be a sign lets get naked". Well and then you know what follows. We went to the shower after that banged there again went to bed banged again and eventually fell asleep.

[–]Questionnaire70 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

How did you find out so much later she cheated?

[–]ohRyZze[S] 2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I never knew anyone from her friends circle. She had her graduation and obviously i was there. Suddenly a girl approaches me and tells me she cheated on me with her boyfirned. I didnt believe it at first but then she shoved me a cpnversation with her

[–]Questionnaire70 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

She cheated on you with this other girls BF? wow

[–]ohRyZze[S] 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Yep. Honestly she is retarded. Her whole class mates hate her because of that i just never knew any of those who could have told me

[–]Questionnaire70 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Hopefully this other girl isnt with that guy anymore

[–]p3n1x-2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Careful with this mentality. People should never equate a "friend" with marriage. Unless you have had an explicit conversation about not seeing other people, there is no such thing as "cheating".

[–]Questionnaire71 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Thats what a bf or gf means

[–]p3n1x0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

No, it doesn't. It may mean that to you and woman. Many dudes agree to a contract before discussing, if ever discussing, the rules.

If you think woman understand "loyalty" the same as men, quit down vote arguing with me and continue to read the sidebar.

The only reason I commented to you, was that soft ass "hopefully the other girl" crap and your overall shock about how OP found out.

[–]Questionnaire70 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

1) I have not downvoted any of your comments.

2) Im on here all the time and am well aware of Briffault's law and that women do not have the same loyalities. Im reading a lot of the TRP material, including the side bar twice & taking notes the 2nd time.

3) "Hopefully that other girl is no longer with her BF" Meaning hopefully she no longer shows him loyalty. So telling me women are not very loyal makes no sense there. Im hoping she is not loyal to him and fucking left his ass.

4) If the term BF and GF does not mean exclusivities than I don't know what the hell they do mean. Yes going over rules would be good, specific ones like do not hug other men, do not kiss them on the cheek, do not go to their house alone make sense. But "do not sleep with other guys?" Shit that comes with the title. If shes gonna do that shes doing it.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Have an up vote. More, more, more field reports like that. It took you only 2 days. Godspeed.

[–]Expectations10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The thing is, treating them like shit works short term, what it does is it makes it appear like you have something other than what the usual AFC has going on

[–]bearinfoxhole0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good boy! I opened a cookie box on your name.

[–]Danwphoto0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What does the term side bar mean?

[–]TehJimmyy0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

What made you finally so smooth ?

[–]ohRyZze[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I was just really mad about my gf so i really wanted to bang a chick that night. So i started browsing all the forums

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Doesn't sound like you treated her like "shit".

[–]1Entropy-70 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

In my experience, the phrase "treating girls like shit makes them want you" has two particular contexts. In the dating stage, it is not about actually treating them like shit but having an indifference about them. It is being "outcome independent" and enjoying your life for you.

The second context is when you actually get into bed. You get your clothes off and then drop this bomb: "Do you want to make love gently or rough?"

A show of hands, please. (My experience has been a 30/70 split. . .give or take.)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Great, in my opinion to be dominant you need to lead and break rapport. In your FR you're leading, and when you tried to be a dick you probably intentionally or unintentionally adjusted your tonality and body language to be more of a rapport breaking one.

So when you lead, speak in a rapport breaking tonality and be calm in any situation (strong frame) you're 100% dominant, without treating anyone like shit( if you want)

[–]ohRyZze[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I donr get the whole breaking rapport. What does rapport even mean

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Most people talk with a tonality that goes up at the end, and the worst is when they talk up at the beginning too or even the whole sentence. that is called rapport seeking tonality, you're talking in a way like you want something of the other person this also immediately makes you seem low status because a dominant man never ever needs anything from anyone.

When you're talking with a rapport breaking tonality, your voice sounds deeper and it trails off with a downwards tonality. when you speak this way it communicates like you don't care about being friends with them or having rapport with them or needing anything.

Most people miscalculate the tone that their speaking in, especially when they are talking to girls, or anyone of high status.

[–]ohRyZze[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Fucking great thx. Didnt really consider that untill mow

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Try it out and let me know if you see the difference, If you're unsure how your voice and tonality sound like, record your voice in situations most people tend to seek rapport (girls, boss, meeting new people etc..) to find out what your tonality is. then improve by practicing. It is unbelievable how much impact your voice, tonality, eye contact and body language have on your perceived status.

[–]ohRyZze[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wednesday i go out again and friday I have a date so there will most likely be a field report which is more detailed and i will include my tonality.

[–]_foursix_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Girls with a low self esteem are like this. A man with an ego can be just what a girl like that needs for gratification of her own esteem or, because they're weak willed, will overly rely on the guy's opinion of her. On a very low level you both won I suppose.

[–]ransay32770 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just so you know... Were proud of you.

[–]insoucianc-3 points-2 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

Just be mindful that this won't work on every girl. TRP is tailored to a specific demographic of women.

[–]ohRyZze[S] 9 points10 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Which demographic if i may ask?. I thought the whole message is that every woman is like that but some show it less and some more

[–]insoucianc25 points26 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

There's two demographics to be aware of: 1. Women that respond to masculine polarity (almost all) & 2. Women that value your particular type of masculinity (very few). While all women respond positively to a strong, confident, and charismatic man not all will go for a dudebro who only lifts and reads the sidebar. Women that respond to that kind of man are typically low value and not worth committing to beyond draining your balls in their throat, which is often the goal of subscribers here so that isn't necessarily a bad thing. However, if you want a high value girl you need to go beyond the basics taught here and develop yourself inwardly rather than just outwardly by developing a specialization that you are dominant at: intelligence, introspection, insight, and income to name a few. You also need to learn how to pass comfort tests if you want a long-term relationship, as being a Chad at all times is going to eventually put women you want a committed relationship to off, even if they were initially attracted to your physical, sexual, and aggressive approach of applying red pill principles. Ultimately, while the foundation of fatherly attributes such as confidence and outcome independence and control is necessary, different women value different things in a man. Some prefer big muscles, some prefer big brains, some prefer big hearts, most prefer a balanced mix of all three; the key is to decide which ones you prefer and then develop those attributes and put yourself into situations where those types of women are abundant.

[–]WolfofAnarchy3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I was afraid you were a BP lurker when you made that first comment - but this is one of the best comments I've read on here. Kudos, my friend.

[–]ohRyZze[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks dude allways willing to learn. As i said this wasnt the guide to how to do it much rather an experience from first time trying to apply the principals. Obviously you learn with time how to apöly them propperly

[–]celincelin1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

some prefer big brains, some prefer big hearts

Just no. Unfortunately. Get rid of this fantasy as soon as possible, boyo.

[–]The_M0rning_Star0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Big brains = big money, big hearts = good dad material. Two things chicks melt into puddles for...even if they aren't looking to get into a relationship OR have babies. Not a fantasy...just not as feel good as it initially sounds.

[–]celincelin0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Big brains = big money

No. It takes a lot to be a self made millionaire, but big brains is not in the list. Here's an example -- in Jobs/Wozniak killer duo, Wozniak was the big brains, and Jobs was the big money.

Overall, you are talking about something that's called "beta bux" even on this very sub. That means you are a walking ATM, and it has nothing to do with sexual attraction.

[–]insoucianc0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

A fool and his money are quickly separated, you need intelligence to continually grow and maintain wealth. Also, while being a dudebro can be excellent for initial attraction it will not sustain the committed and loving relationship necessary for raising happy, healthy, and wealthy offspring.

[–]celincelin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No big brains doesn't mean a fool yet.

There can't be a "loving relationship" without initial attraction.

[–]Banincoming12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The demographic is 95% of women. The other 5% are lesbians, and it only works on them 40% of the time.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This is dead wrong. Trp is not tailored to a specific type of women at all.

[–]Pro_Like_Me0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

maybe its tailored to all women but not all women respond the same way or think the same

[–]The_M0rning_Star-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Women don't like being treated like shit anymore then men do, that's the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard. There's a HUMONGOUS difference between being a raging asshole, and a confident man who knows what he wants and takes it. The first one is awful, the second one is sexy af to women. First one gets you one night with some broken-ass chick you didn't even particularly want to bang. Second one gets you all the nights you want with girls waaaay outta your league. That being said, congrats on being the second one. Feels good don't it.

[–]ohRyZze[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol thought you were shittalking me haha thx brp

[–]AzureeBlueDaisy-2 points-1 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

So... Do you men enjoy being treated like shit? Is that how you want to get picked up and used for sex? Because I'm fully okay with that, if I'm just a pussy to you anyway you may as well be just a penis to me.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I think most men rather be treated like shit and get used for sex than being treated like shit and used for their recourses.

[–]AzureeBlueDaisy0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Why would men want to get treated like shit at all, though??

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's nice to be treated like shit.

[–]ohRyZze[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No its different for men. Men are even easier creatures than women. If you approach a girl and tell her you like her she will reject you. If you approach a guy and tell him you like him and wanna jump into bed with him he will come with you. Its that easy for girls

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