Never Let a Woman See You Bleed.

August 21, 2020

tldr; She doesn't want to see you weak. She doesn't want to hear you bitch. Be a closed book about your weaknesses and vulnerabilities. Learn to shut the flying fuck up.


I’m seeing an awful lot of mainstream advice telling men to "open up" to women and be “vulnerable” and unafraid to appear “weak” around her.

Do not listen to this advice, I repeat, do not listen to this advice. You will fuck yourself over so fast it's not even funny.


You remember Briffault’s Law?

Briffault’s Law: The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place.

Think about the following for a second: What's the benefit of associating with a weak man? What's the benefit of associating with a man that's "vulnerable" and "pours his heart out" to her?

Newsflash: She doesn’t care about you, your problems, or your existential angst, she only cares about what you can do for her. If you do something that lowers your possible use in her eyes or something out of the ordinary which changes her perception of your utility for the worse, you fucked up.

B-b-but Scepter! Something tragic happened to me! I need to vent, I need to unwind!

If you need to ugly cry, go to your room, lock the door, and let that shit out. If you merely need to vent or rant, hit up a dude you trust or take out your journal and write away.

Women are incapable of seeing a man at his worst because it’s biologically disadvantageous to see a weak man and approve of it. Imagine being a female ape seeing a weak male ape with a defeated posture. You really think that female ape is gonna fuck that beta ape? Hell no, she’s gonna fuck the big strong gorilla a few paces away beating his chest because he looks useful.

No woman on planet earth has ever said the following:

“God, that man over there crying his eyes out because his father died is so fucking hot. I’m gonna suck his dick and swallow his children.”


“Babe, I love it when you bitch and complain about work. It turns me on. Fuck me in the ass.”

When you actually apply this concept and refuse to show a weak emotion and stop bitching you will get tested like there’s no tomorrow. For example, I was on a date and the woman said seemingly out of nowhere...

“I feel like I’m your enemy, do you even like me? You never tell me anything..."

I pulled her close to me and kissed her on the forehead. She eased up and latched on to me like a lost child. The silence and stoicism intimidated her so much that she ate up the affection like a fat bitch eating cake.

She did it again later.

"Why do you have your walls up? Why are you acting strange? What's going on?"

I smiled and hugged her tightly. She hugged me back as tightly as possible, so tight it was hard to breathe. Crisis averted twice without saying a word.

The worst thing you could do when tested like this is backtrack and begin opening up to a woman and showing your “vulnerable side.” In doing so you expose your weak frame AND let her know your weaknesses.


  • If you’re going through something tragic, go take care of your shit away from your women. Don’t let them see you weak. They will remember it and it will change their perception of you for the worst.

  • When tested for being too “cold” or “distant” be sure to give them physical affection. Anything else will be questioned and doubted.

  • Do not show your “vulnerable side” even if she asks you to.

Never let her see you bleed.

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Title Never Let a Woman See You Bleed.
Author TRP_Scepter
Upvotes 794
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Date August 21, 2020 2:56 PM UTC (8 months ago)
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[–]collegeguy115154 points155 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

"Just be yourself", "opening up" etc. are part of the feminine imperative and it is in the best interest of women to promote these ideas. They want to weed out the weak whiny crying men from the naturally strong stoic ones and the best way to do that is pretend that being weak and whiny is ok.

So yes, sexual strategy wise breaking frame and ugly crying in front of a girl will never be beneficial.

But life wise if a close friend dies you are going to feel anguish and letting it out will feel good and healthy. Keeping that shit bottled up because "hur dur I need to be an alpha male" is pure ego.

[–]AHAPPYMERCHANT18 points19 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I think it has more to do with that just being their S.O.P. than any malicious attempt to "weed out" undesirables. Of course that secondary effect still holds in most cases though.

But life wise if a close friend dies you are going to feel anguish and letting it out will feel good and healthy. Keeping that shit bottled up because "hur dur I need to be an alpha male" is pure ego.

I wish TRP talked more about the "life wise" aspect of this whole dynamic. Even if being pretending to be stoic is effective, it's just not healthy. In any healthy LTR, you should be able to seek comfort after traumatic events like your father's death.

[–]Thorusss11 points12 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I would say in a good relationship, it would be healthy to trade some attraction for the healing touch of a woman to the spot where it hurts.

[–]changy1523 points24 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Tbh most women don’t just lose respect for occasional instances of severe issues occurring. I think it’s more of a “don’t be a whiny bitch all the time” type thing. I also think it’s about the bounce back more than the event itself. If something tragic happens and you show that it keeps you down that is an issue. If it happens and you eventually show resilience to the situation I don’t think it matters to most women. There is a lot of overly alpha shit perpetrated on this sub these days. Which may work for plates but in a LTR a lot of this shit just isn’t accurate.

[–]armenian_UwUcide7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The bounce back journey will probably cause even more attraction as it plays into the hero archetype. You break, your women nurses you a bit while you recover, and you come back an even more resilient, steel framed, emotionally healthy man than you were previously. Cue daddy material.

This bottle up everything and play pretend for access to pussy 24/7 version of TRP is toxic and outdated in my opinion. I followed this advice personally for 3 or so years; turns out I managed to get consistent plates and access to sex whenever I want but... realizing the nut you have from sex isn’t significantly better than what you do with your hand, meanwhile the absolute misery that it costed to do all this shit made me suicidally depressed. No thanks. If it happens, let the girls come and go, but I’d rather be authentic to myself no matter where my life leads; girls or no girls, than suicidally depressed from wearing a facade for wet holes.

[–]changy154 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I agree, I think people miss the point that the ultimate goal of redpill is to be aware, nothing else. In terms of outcomes, it’s to be able to successfully manage a LTR. There are women who won’t cheat and it isn’t because they are controlled. It’s because they fall on a spectrum just like men do, where there are beta cucks there are the equal on the female side. Idk people take this shit too seriously.

[–]EdgyAnimeReference0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

level 3Gardener4Life4ever

okay it keeps coming up. Why is stoicism the go to for a dude to be? it seems so goddamn boring. I get that some women will find the strong silent types hot but others find the funny outgoing type a preference. Why does there seem to be a focus on stoicism over other hot archetypes you could play at? Especially if that is so against your normal nature?

[–]AHAPPYMERCHANT0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's certainly dull, but a lot of people find it helps with stress or other emotional issues. Plus distancing yourself from the worldly aspects of life tends to make people more frugal, more responsible, and develop more realistic + sustainable life goals.

I don't think stoicism itself is really a sexual strategy. If you took its lessons to heart, you simply wouldn't be the type to utilize sexual strategies because you'd recognize the fleetingness of sexual gratification and all that boring shit. A stoic isn't attractive, but acting stoically in the face of hardship certainly is. It's more of a sexual tactic than a strategy or archetype.

Certainly when one develops an archetype as a performance for sex, they should pick one they are closest too and thus will have the easiest and most enjoyable (or rather, least insufferable) time engaging in.

[–]_do_not_read_this_4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women want to meet you at the Finish Line when you win so they can "share" in your victory.

They don't want to watch you run the race.

Especially if you lose or don't make it to the Finish

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[–]Thorusss126 points127 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

You are right, a good women will not leave, if you show some weakness. She might even truly help you with it. But she will lose some of the animalistic attraction to you.

Consider, if it is worth it, each time.

[–]DelicateDevelopment45 points46 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

Just remember that womens feelings are also kind of fleeting. So as soon as you recover and find back to your former frame it will all be forgotten and forgiven. Admiration grows exactly on this.

Also, I cannot imagine the universe in which many people would feel animalistic sexual attraction when somebody else is in a crisis or crying. To even relate the two seems odd.

What many men indeed do wrong is that they talk so much about what bothers them that there is hardly any other topic. And this is indeed a big turn off.

Lovers, regardless of male or women, just should not be each others therapists. Maturity means being able to deal with ones own problems. If people cannot then they need help, but are certainly not good partners. It does not mean to always know the answer, but at the same time it also does not mean to always seek comfort and solutions with the partner.

[–]storm_spirit22 points23 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

I think what a lot of men here miss is that a high quality woman will be more attracted to you if you show them your weakness, but also your ability to overcome it. That's the crucial element. Of course some basic bitch with no soul or depth to her will flee at the first sign of weakness. Fuck them. If that's the type of person you decide to open up to you, then you deserve what you get. That's entirely on you.

Women, especially good ones, need to feel like they also have a purpose in a relationship other than being a fuck toy (not saying they don't want that either, but fucking alone won't lead to a satisfying relationship). If they respect you and know the kind of man you are, they want to help you get back to yourself in those moments of vulnerability.

[–]NovicePilgrim5 points6 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

This user is confusing love and sex appeal.

[–]Endorsed ContributorSKRedPill4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Totally confusing sex and comfort.

[–]Lickiecat0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

They go hand in hand when you are in love with someone you are sexualy active with.

[–]NovicePilgrim0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

If the word love confuses you, read it as comfort.

And comfort =\= sex.

And no, they do not go hand in hand at all. It is the basis for AF/BB and one of the root misconceptions to dispell when taking the red pill.

Read the sidebar.

[–]Lickiecat0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

The word does not confuse me. We just clearly have different definitions of it and views of the world for that matter.

[–]NovicePilgrim0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, it's called red pill for a reason.

[–]Luffysstrawhat3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

What in the blue pill fuck?You need to take a brake and re read the side bar

[–]kangaroocash0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Please, why isn't it allowed to disagree lol. Maybe it's easier to drown in the circle jerk of self-loathing?

[–]Luffysstrawhat0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

The red pill is not about self-loathing it is about adapting overcoming and mastering Your Life. Like I said reread the sidebar

[–]Lickiecat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You can't deny that it is a massive self loathing circlejerk in some places on this sub though.

There are undercover incels everywhere in these groups nowadays.

[–]ChadowyFigure4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This is is what I was going to say. Guys, OP's post is good advice for your interactions with ALL women.

Being a wuss is never a good look; whether your girl has no patience for it or whether she puts up with it to some degree, it still lowers you in her eyes and is thus never to your benefit.

I find it hilarious that someone wants to become a "high quality man" so that he can cry all over his woman. Being a high quality man means not burdening her with that garbage. Why do you want her to listen to you bitch and moan? Why do you want this from anyone? Learn to handle your own shit.

[–]kangaroocash4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol let's go macho man. It's a clear difference of bitching and moaning than to open up and talk about hardship of life. Life in general is a spectrum of perspectives and feelings. To hold that in like a "tough man" is really just a way to deny your existance.

You do you i guess.

[–]TheBunk_TB0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lets leave the Village People out of this!

[–]throwlaca1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are right, a good women will not leave, if you show some weakness.

Lol, try it and see what happens. She might not leave you immediately. She will start looking for options and believe me, she will find them.

[–]EdgyAnimeReference0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Since women are able to have complex emotions and switch how they feel, they can go from feeling sympathy to animalistic sex fiend in the same way you farting mid sex could turn it off. It just takes a bit of finesse to change the mood over and if you are able to muscle up. Look at the sappy romance movies, they flip so fast from sad, angry to sex scene.

[–]johncillo7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with this, however, you can’t put the emotional baggage into someone else, you know the people you can be vulnerable with, however you need to deal with your emotions and feel them alone, then if people love you, they will support you, but be responsible of your own emotions first and then ask for help if it is needed.

[–]TheGweatandTewwible19 points20 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

"B-but, AWALT!"

For real, glad there's some dudes in TRP able to see a little bit of nuance

[–]throwwayhubu2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

That "good" woman who stays simply values the guy bitching his emotions higher than the "bad" woman who leaves. Hence, it has nothing to do with her being "good" or "bad", its about your value. Brad and Chad can cry all they want, Billy better shut the fuck up. And once again AWALT has proven true and its just your value that matters.

[–]TheGweatandTewwible10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, no shit, dude. That's TRP 101.

But again, I don't care what the woman thinks or why her biology is making her function some way. If she's being supportive, sweet and does everything in bed, that's a good woman for me. You're deconstructing semantics

[–]throwwayhubu1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think its more than semantics. This thread was about high quality women supposedly staying with a guy who is open with his flaws and inner negative feelings. The highest quality females on this planet, legit 10's, are suuuuper fickle. Like, they dont even have the time of day for bad weather let alone someone who is not talking about jetskis and how fun they are, they'll find a dude with a private jet and leave, all in a days work.

[–]TheGweatandTewwible2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll give you that one but you could argue that if you had enough value in her eyes, you having a "rough day" isn't going to change much in the context of the whole relationship, unless she's a low quality gal. What I'm saying put your qualifications and boundaries rock solid and if your girl steps ouy of that line, she's no longer high quality to YOU, if that makes sense.

[–]TheEgyptianConqueror17 points18 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

The problem is at a young age, low 20s, ie the age of women that men want to, um, bonk (can't say the f word here anymore apparently), they're pretty much all low quality, immature children

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

This is also false. It doesn’t matter her age. What matters more is how she was raised. I’ve known plenty of 18-24 year olds who were very high quality.

[–]TheEgyptianConqueror12 points13 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I mean, maybe it's a function of being in a very liberal area and going to a very liberal college, but I've seen maybe one. The rest are trash. Hot, but trash

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I live in a very conservative area with strong family values. I also went to a conservative college. Some are trash, sure. But there are plenty of high quality young women.

[–]TheEgyptianConqueror3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Guess I'm moving out of this hell hole lol (I'm already moving in September for other reasons, this just happens to be an added benefit I guess)

[–]FreeRadical513 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've found older women that have their careers figured out to be much more ruthless when it comes to sussing out weakness in men.

[–]unamedasha2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You cant say the other f word

[–]Iam-KD1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

use flip flop instead lmao

[–]TheDumbAsk2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Everything in life is a balance, if you are going to show vulnerability to a high quality woman you have to show her your high quality worth almost at the same time. The best take away from this post is that you need to choose when you can be vulnerable and do it from a position of strength. No high quality woman wants a partner that she can't rely on, and being vulnerable and sad around her signals that you might not be able to be there for her.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

But you actually might not be able to be there for her. Any smart woman knows this. But there is a difference between being vulnerable and unreliable. Even the most Alpha guys sometimes fail. But, to a good woman, failure is only a problem if it’s consistent.

[–]talldude12342 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is the best thing I’ve read here. BRAVO! 👏

[–]-Anon13-9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

This comment shouldn't have this amount of points. There is no such thing as a woman that can empathize with a male. She can PRETEND, but she will never understand you.

Keep going with the Disney fantasies, but when you start driving women away with your beta shit, don't come post here saying AWALT.

[–]EdgyAnimeReference1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I genuinely dont get the idea that women cannot actually empathize with men, they are known and scientifically better at emotional intelligence. What specific situations could a women not be able to understand your problems? I think she could certainly relate to feelings of worthlessness, losing a job, loss of a friend. What is so inherently "man" that a chick couldn't empathize with?

[–]-Anon13--1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a misunderstood topic. They can't empathize because they don't give a fuck about your emotions, only their attraction for you. They can feel all emotions we can (maybe more), but empathy is for friends, not sexual partners.

Best way to think about it is by relating it to parasitic relationships. The parasite can't empathize with the host because if it did, the parasite would stop eating the host and thus the relationship is dead. The woman can't empathize with the sexual partner because if she dead, that would turn them into friends, thus ending the sexual relationship.

[–]TheGweatandTewwible6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If she's got the wets for you and she's a good girl, trust me, she'll do everything in her power to help or make you feel better. You're obviously doing something wrong or not training your girls right

[–]R9-295x2-x21 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you. Took the words out of my mouth.

[–]PhilipChr1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

True story. What's the point of becoming the best version we can be if not to attract the best mate we can attract? Don't settle for anything less.

[–]KillYourInnerLoser0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep, absolutely agree. This sums it up:

Immy's Thoughts on "Being Alpha"

[–]no_regret20-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

By reading you I can tell you’re a young man, takes time to understand women and to really get it, hope you understand it sooner or later: there’s no difference Between street hoes and highly educated/well mannered women. Once you go out there and realize it you’ll understand.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It seems that I have some experience that you do not. I know that high quality women exist because I have one. I’ve been married 10 years and have 4 children. I’ve been around women plenty and have a lot of experience.

My wife is fantastic. She’s not a hoe. Had a body count of 0 until we married. She is smart, strong work ethic, wise and discerning. She is committed and submissive. She contributes much to our relationship and assists in my life mission which she adopted as her own life mission. She’s not perfect, nor is she a unicorn. There are a million others just like her.

You can find a high quality woman as well. It will be difficult to find her at a bar or on tinder, though. But, because she’s high quality she probably won’t give out sex easily. So I imagine you’re not even looking for a high quality woman. So of course you haven’t found one.

[–]Leone_brt-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wtf is this blue-pilled unicorn shit on the main sub? You just won't swallow the pill and accept how it really is or you lack real experience.

[–]Ouroborross32 points33 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

I went through this recently, and she's been bugging me out for days due to the stress I'm going through and I have been on and off between cold/passive-agressive and stoic as I try to rein in my emotions.

Finally she asked me what was wrong, when I told her I need a break to do my own thing for a few days. So I told her in the end after she begged me and asked me in the end why you didn't tell me, after spilling out all that crap I'm going through.

I told her that women don't want to see their men in their low point, it's biological instincts, etc ..

She replied that she doesn't care, I'm her whole world and respects me like crazy blah blah... She said go on do your thing and come back to me when you're solid and better and back to being the old me which was mostly funny and Stoic.

The red pill life doesn't suit me till eternity, it's principles I can use, I'll forgoe the ones that might hurt me long term. I realized I want to settle down and have kids and have an SO that I can invest my life with that won't shit test me every now and then and happens to be an actual adult I can rely on when shit hits the fan.

[–]TheGweatandTewwible4 points5 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Learn how to let go via meditation. That shit will work wonders for your well-being and inner peace.

[–]Ouroborross2 points3 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

I think I might have to do that. It's just feels boring. I hit the gym regularly but it's not working like it used to and camping in this heat is not smart.

Any tips or recommendations?

[–]armenian_UwUcide2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Any form of art. Singing, painting, etc

[–]Ouroborross0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol I thought of it as sitting in a quiet room in a cross legged position and just humming sounds like Yoda or some Kung Fu monk.


[–]TheGweatandTewwible2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

There's many ways you can do it. Simply meditating 10 minutes a day will help you be a little more at peace, though it takes bit of time but I 100% recommend you start meditating. Active meditation, where you let your emotions come up and run their course is also very powerful, especially if you've been suppressing something for a long time (childhood trauma or a bad breakup).

Don't overthink it. If you're just starting, sitting in a dark room with your eyes closed and focused on your breathing is a good start. I don't want overhype it but meditation has changed my life. If you want some more info, I'm happy to share

[–]Ouroborross1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Cheers mate, I'll try it out. There doesn't seem to be a rule book, so I'll do as you say and just shove all this stress into a box in my head when I meditate.

[–]TheGweatandTewwible2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Awesome. Instead of shoving it in, just let yourself feel all the emotions. That works, too. Have a good one

[–]isthisalreadyused0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Where should I start? Any recommended websites, articles, apps, etc?

[–]ws6pilot0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Hey man I know this is an old comment by now but could you elaborate on how meditating has changed you?

[–]TheGweatandTewwible0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Sure man. It's definitely a gradual change but it is one that I can say is real. For starters, I am much more at peace with myself. Little things don't bother me that much (even big things don't make much of a dent, either).

Via letting go (mindfulness meditation) I've managed to get rid of that weight you might have from regretting something in the past or something that has hurt/traumatized you (abuse, bad breakups, bad high school experience). This type of shit runs the average person and you'll see how triggered people get over certain things. Every now and then you find negative stuff that is still inside but that's part of it. In terms of TRP, any bad breakup you might have or regret in terms of gals, you can let that go, as well.

It's a slow process but it's an enjoyable one and it's freeing, too. Hope you consider meditation

[–]enlightedM1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

There is a website called calmdownmind. I found it very useful and it discusses the meaning of meditation

[–]matagad0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What is red pill life?

[–]no_regret200 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You can’t live in democracy with women, she wants to respect you no matter what, show weakness and she’ll stop respecting you. You’re done buddy

[–]Facelotion15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Same here.
Also, if you have been in the game for more than 5 minutes you can tell the ones that are going to be problematic from the ones you can trust.
Usually women who have too many problems can't help but be turned off by a guy when he is at his lowest.
Because they are trying to be saved. If you are weak then you can't save them. That's a no-go zone for them.

[–]3LiveAFTSOV10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Do you let see her bleed by acting like a bitch / "sharing your emotional weaknesses"?

Nobody wins all the time.

The difference is, when an MMA fighter loses, he doesnt bitch to his girlfriend and cry about the loss, he might reflect on why he lost, say he will kick his ass next time. And that's the end of it.

That girl still didnt see the fighter bleed.

It's about how you handle defeat.

[–]Sumfuc1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I like your style. Knowledge has give you some serious swag. Nice work.

[–]Geckobird1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm at this point too. I kept myself too closed off for a while and it backfired and probably prevented a potential relationship. Honestly, I see absolutely no point of ever being in a relationship if I have to close off an entire part of myself, which is self detrimental. I'd rather work on improving those apsects of my sensitive side that are deemed unattractive and date someone that's okay with an occasional weakness popping up.

[–]Protocol_Apollo3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You missed a critical point of redpill.

It isn’t about keeping up appearances.

It’s about literally becoming it.

Red pill isn’t a cape you wear and take off in the morning.

[–]Grimsterr0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

My wife has seen me bleed, a LOT, we've been together almost 30 years. A man bleeds in 30 years. What you don't want them to see is you bleeding and acting like a bitch.

I had blood clots in both lungs 6 years ago, doctor quit counting at 13 blood clots. I was in the hospital a week. The second we got home she was all momma bird asking what do I need, a blowjob, I need a blowjob. Goddamn do I need a blowjob. I got a blowjob. It was good.

It's ok to bleed but don't bitch out.

[–]spacegeneralx-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with this. Once you've read The Manipulated Man it's clear that "being yourself" is something women have no interest in and is seen as being "weak". It's not. It's a symptom of caring more about what she thinks than what you feel. Don't show it. Feel it and move along. In that moment she moves from equal to below you. Enjoy. Move on.

[–]theguytheguy1000-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link


let her watch me bleed, fuck it, i wasn't looking for her approval anyway so i don't really care what her opinion is on the matter. That's not a technique by the way, that's really how i see it.

[–]Nero9214104 points105 points  (31 children) | Copy Link

Nikki Glaser, some female 'comedian', was on the Joe Rogan Podcast the other day talking about how seeing her then-boyfriend cry because his dad died was so hot she started sucking him off mid cry. It is beyond belief, look it up in JRE Clips on YouTube.

[–]throwlaja76 points77 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

sucking him off mid cry

That never happened in the history of mankind.

[–]notislant37 points38 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Maybe I'm weird but thats the one time I wouldn't be into a blowjob.

[–]Adam139413 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Second time being when mother dies.

[–]Blackhawk2479122 points123 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

To be fair, showing some emotion because your dad died is not exactly displaying weakness and is not a vulnerability you should be afraid to show.

On the contrary, it demonstrates you’re not a completely emotionless robot, that you care about family and that you’re capable of being invested in things that are important to you. All reasonable, positive things.

[–]aweful_aweful53 points54 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

>> To be fair, showing some emotion because your dad died is not exactly displaying weakness and is not a vulnerability you should be afraid to show.

On the contrary, it demonstrates you’re not a completely emotionless robot, that you care about family and that you’re capable of being invested in things that are important to you. All reasonable, positive things.

This is 100% logical and true. It also 100% doesn't matter to the female psyche. It's not necessarily something they think about consciously.

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[–]1mrthrowaway4135 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The issue with this post is that things like:

Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place

is believed by some who think "This is so disgusting of women" and treat it like one sex does this.

I think the most important thing this subreddit taught me is that deep down we really are just biological. This same law is true for men, smart men at least.

We (rationally) also derive no benefit from certain women, and no interaction takes places.

If she's not hot or interesting, or a beneficial in someway with my life, why the fuck would I spend any time with her?

You can't put fault on women for this. If you do, make sure to put fault on yourself, or think bigger picture and just realize that's how human society works in general, unless you don't know what you're doing, in that case you're playing the game wrong.

In your case, the woman you chose to spend time showed you she also has family values, she has good habits, and hot. Otherwise why would we spend time with them?

[–]notpahimar3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

In other words, marketplaces work both ways.

[–]aweful_aweful6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with this, there are women who aren't like this. I lived in an urban environment for a very long time, they are rare there.

[–]AHAPPYMERCHANT28 points29 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

It also 100% doesn't matter to the female psyche. It's not necessarily something they think about consciously.

No, it absolutely does. If you can't cry for your own dad (assuming you were close), how can she ever expect commitment in the long term? You clearly aren't attached to anything, at least from her perspective. It's toxic for an LTR to act like that.

Might emotionlessness help in more casual relationships? Sure, but you shouldn't be airing your business in those relationships anyway. You're not there for comfort.

[–]aweful_aweful15 points16 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

That is how it should be, yes.

[–]Endorsed ContributorSKRedPill10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

If my dad died (he has 2 good decades still left in him, I'd never imagine him living anything less than that), I would in no way be an autistic robot, but I wouldn't cry like a helpless child needing mommy either and lash out or go drown myself in drink. I'd totally cry as a man while still being on top of my shit, with more subtle expression. My usual pain coping mechanism is to find a quiet place and meditate - I've never had a shoulder to cry on at any time, but I've got my ways that work incredibly well.

And in this case, who cares about what she thinks? How I deal with grief is part of my own frame, and over time I've found what works. The thing is not to lose it right when you need it

Part of this lesson comes from actually watching my dad lose his frame when he got the news of his mum passing away. He was driving to the hospital and when the call came, he lost his shit totally and drove rashly and nearly caused a dozen accidents, blamed everyone, said stupid shit and almost got pulled over. Needless to say, my mum still talks about it as you'd expect.

I don't want to be that guy.

If she shit tests me over it later (mind you what women say when you're down is just another shit test, most men make the mistake of losing frame at that point), I'll just do what the OP does - shit test passed, frame held, attraction created.

The real problem is LOSING THIS FRAME at the slightest temptation of what she says. Two ways of testing your frame are a) Shit tests - bad cop method and b) Temptations of pleasure - the good cop method. While we know how to fail the first one, the second one is more insiduous because it uses pleasure to shake your frame instead of pain. Nothing is more tempting than the thought of comfort, and once a man gets too comfortable, he loses frame.

Also she has no idea if she can really walk her talk on this matter (she can't).

Or if I feel she's in fact totally heartless over my grief, and would dump me at the first instance of any difficulty that life throws at me, I'll just dump her.

[–]PrometheusRisesIN2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

How do you cope up when you want to cry? Any healthy mechanism, would be helpful to me.

[–]Endorsed ContributorSKRedPill8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I find a quiet space away from everyone and don't mind shedding some tears quietly. I did that when I lost my grandfather with whom I was real close. And that was before all this, back in my BP days. Men very rarely ever need to cry. After I got divorced and managed to get out having to pay nothing to my ex, I spent some time driving to the coast where there was a nice beach and spent an evening grieving quietly and meditating - that had been a 2 and a half year horror show. I totally needed that. I was back to normal in a few days.

If others are the ones crying around me, I restrain myself there and be the rock at that time.

Over time I've found even better and subtler ways of dealing with my emotions using the meditations from the Power of Now and Adyashanti - stuff I needed when I got out of my disastrous marriage -- that released a lot of trapped up pain which might have taken me down the slippery slope if I hadn't healed it. I never fight feelings, but I take care to feel them consciously. I take extra care that my expressions are masculine and not feminine and that I don't lose my shit. I absolutely do not have to feel them like a word beginning with an f. I do not have to be wooden or robotic at any time - it's just that masculine emotion is more subtle than feminine.

You need to recognize that you're angry or in pain and there's nothing wrong with that. Sometimes shit just happens. You need to be careful when faced with an oak breaking event - denial will never get you across to the other side of the tunnel.

I actually understand now why the man cave exists -- it's nature's way of helping a man, because nature knows you can't go and cry to mummy after you're no longer a boy. The key is that the moment you become aware of your emotions, or stuff buried deep in your mind that suddenly finds its way to the surface, it slowly shifts to a feeling that originates somewhere inside your body. You feel all your emotions as pent up pain and tension in your body somewhere and when you become aware of it, it eventually dissipates itself from the inside. After that, I'm fully fresh and back to normal in short order. Healing deep pain this way frees up a lot of energy and gets you out of old unhealthy patterns.

Most of my potential emotional issues over small things don't even get to the start line and I don't get emotional or upset over usual petty stuff or even most hard stuff at all. I don't see what's the problem in most situations and just calmly let things come and go where others around me just lose their shit easily or take stuff way too personally. Of course, then people will try to drag me into their frame, but most of a man's emotional hotspots can be fixed by DGAF and STFU. I feel almost 95% of stuff that people lose their shit over can simply be shrugged off then and there -- we men need to be battle hardened to some degree. Prevention is the best of solutions and mental toughness can solve most issues before they even begin.

As a man, testosterone gives you a different emotional profile compared to a woman - happiness, intensity, anger, humor, rawer emotions are where men excel. Men feel anger more while women are the crybabies of the earth. Women cry for everything, things that even kids don't cry for. I would only shed a tear for absolutely tragic and powerful stuff that really touched me deep - which means what I'm talking about right now is super rare - they're either extremely profound events or oak breaking events. I'll leave it to the ladies to flood the house with water over kitten videos. We are not as emotionally volatile as women.

It's also better to direct emotions into actions. The body is a great stress buster and a channel for emotional energy. So I'm upset or angry, I meditate or take it out on those reps and weights. Exercise fixed all my shitty BP moods in short time. So yeah, aside from the man cave, the gym is a man's best friend. Or I go play music -- I've taught myself how to play a few instruments, and found a new hobby in the process, and I can totally take it out over there.

Yet another way is to just spend some time being with nature and the elements, preferably open spaces at dawn and dusk. It cleans up my mind real quick. Or I just go for a drive, just letting my system settle down. It's very relaxing.

Lot of people are interested in the issue of men crying for whatever reason. But the truth be told, only once in every 2-3 years do I really face an oak breaker and feel the need to shed some manly tears of pain. Other times, I'm just stressed out and exercise, meditation and open spaces and quiet, and I'm good. That's a lot of text for something that happens so rarely.

[–]EdgyAnimeReference0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Besides the whole women are more emotional (I think its a spectrum just like in men, you might have someone who's a cold bitch and others needy as hell regardless of gender). I am right there with you on coping mechanisms for sadness. Exercise and channeling the negative emotion into something else is much more cathartic then crying it out most of the time. I do find myself struggling with emotional empathy with others though because my own coping mechanisms are so non-emotional. I find it quite hard to see why people of both genders can't "man up" and find that because i don't emotionally process smaller things I am less equipped to deal with the bigger ones when they come around (like say a family members death).

[–]volvostupidshit1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The female psyche does not care what you believe in it only cares about what it is programmed to do.

[–]EdgyAnimeReference1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There is always this talk of what women are "programmed" to do, without the same talk of when men are programmed to do. Has anyone given any thought on this? Can men really believe in something or are men also just slaves to biological programming. Or for the first matter, is there any actual evidence outside of anecdotal for any of this women biologically programmed things? Like i know we have evidence for male attractive features with some being universal (symmetry, balanced proportions etc) vs some being cultural (white noses) but is there anything for this women programed schtich?

[–]cali3232310 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I had a dog I rehabbed first two years. He was extremely close to me.

I eventually decided to give him back to his foster because I was moving for college and knew my family wouldn’t take care of him to and would lock him up in a room for most of the day.

Also, because I knew that the dogs that they had that were locked in the room most of the day would have a higher chance of being in the house. (They eventually stopped being locked in the room).

I saved for ~5-8 months so I could have enough money to adopt him back.

When I called he had passed away from a tumor.

When I heard the news I left who ever I was with found an isolated part of a park in town and cried. Did that for 15-30 minutes. Made on obituary on my phone for the dog and came back home and continued my day.

There’s no reason to let death of a loved one affect you. We have to be strong for those around us.

[–]yomo860 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No one says be a robot. The bottom line is crying is for your personal space only. Nobody will question the emotional distriss one is in after a relative died but would you trust a publicy sobbing 747 pilot with your life? So do women. Yes. They know you will cry, yell and scream but just not when you are steering your ship - your relationship.

[–]volvostupidshit8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She sounds like damaged goods to me. They often want weak men because they can easily control them.

[–]The-ls18 points19 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The broad whom always bitch about men fucking and dumping the shit out of her or how it is difficult for her to find a man for ltr ??

No thanks

[–]Nero92147 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Probably. I'd never heard of her until that, and I wish I could go back in time

[–]zino1939 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So let me give the play by play - a comedienne is poking rogan to see under the alpha persona:

NG: Do you cry ever? JR: I cry for happy things and people that i miss (silver back sees her poke a mile away - Iaikido spins her poke displaying value, emotion without a inch of weakness). I don't like weakness, I am scared of weakness. Not wanting to cry is weakness, it's rejection of reality. NG: it's important you admited you cry, so many men don't cry joe. (come my boy, demolish the patriachy and bend the concept of masculinity to my will) JR: they do, they just don't want people to know... (you cunt, srill twats like you are the reason men can't be weak) <rogan looks at her with contempt at this point>

NG: I think they don't allow themselfs to and I put myself in that category, it's really hard for me to cry (I am strong and powerfuls like the weaklings we call men) >muh experience of being stronk woman<

JR: we had a cry on the podcast recently (aikido silver back turns her on her back - wait for the punchline) we had a lawyer we were talking about a Innocence project case of a falsely acused man of murder. It was terrible I started crying.

NG: <deflated>yeah (she can't talk about men are pussies or her "strugles" after that.) I just think men should cry more.

JG: is that in one of your <porn> folders, men crying (call back, humourously calls her out on her agenda of pulling down masculinity with a joke)

NG: agrees and amplify - I'm seriously turned on about men crying JR: laughts and validates her self depricating frame (she just admited she is a cruel manhater - even if as a joke) NG: can i just put this outthere - my exboyfriend cried in front of me...

It's pure bullshit - a joke exagerated argument so she can argue herself out of a corner.

[–]Endorsed ContributorSKRedPill4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She's lying beyond all levels of absurdity to make herself look good. Plain and simple. They probably paid her well. Most people will say anything for a buck or the social validation kick - even if they never ever walk the talk.

Or the whole thing is an exercise in sarcasm.

[–]Korrangar5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Female comedian are all about crappy sex joke

[–]Mr_KenSpeckle2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A. She’s a comedienne. B. Even assuming she’s serious, why are we taking relationship advice from women, again?

[–]ConstantineXV1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If I were him I’d fucking go off on her like wtf

[–]Greaterbird0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Results not typical. Some people just have a crying fetish.

[–]llama_in_space0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

what kind of animal gets off on sadness and despair?

[–]thetotalpackage726 points27 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Let me just say this: if your girlfriend or wife thinks you’re a pussy for crying when your dad dies, that cunt can go get bent and fuck off. You’re better off without her.

[–]oldskoolflavor109 points110 points  (27 children) | Copy Link

I didn't read the entirety of your post but this is something I regularly preach to my younger brothers and close friends. I do it for the following reason:

Don't tell them where it hurts, because that's exactly where they'll hit you.

This new concept of men opening up to women about their vulnerabilities is feminist bullshit. Most (not all) won't do shit to help you or heal you. Instead, they will save that weapon and use it against you when the occasion arises.

[–]_do_not_read_this_47 points48 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

Don't tell them where it hurts, because that's exactly where they'll hit you.

When I was just learning TRP I made the mistake of telling two women a soft spot I have, I don't like seeing animals in distress. Well I'll be darned if one didn't start sending me video links of you guessed it animals in distress; and the other kept telling me stories about the same thing.

I told the second one that I had literally dumped a woman for doing that (I did) but she kept doing it and she got dumped too.

Self inflicted foul on that one, lesson learned, they were good bangs.

[–]AHAPPYMERCHANT31 points32 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

Genuinely might want to keep telling them so you can weed out the sociopaths like that.

[–]oldskoolflavor3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Negative. Some of those sociopaths will try and find a way to mask their lack of empathy. They will pretend, you dive deeper into the relationship and next thing you know, you're fucked.

[–]AHAPPYMERCHANT10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Sure but they would just blend in anyway even if you hid that "soft spot," right?

[–]ryry1172 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You can always wait for them to fuck up. They will reveal they are a sociopath eventually. Better not to give them ammunition.

[–]_do_not_read_this_1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I don't get deeply emotionally attached to women so that's not a concern.

And if they're sociopaths, but they behave normally with me, then to me they're normal because that's what I see.

The real problem is that soy-boys and simps have been letting "their" women get away with bitchiness, acting spoiled and bratty for so long that it's become the default behavior for many women. I check that shit at the door and everything's fine.

[–]armenian_UwUcide1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

but they behave normally with me, then to me they’re normal because that’s what I see.

Classic male solipsism. The choice is yours, but you can continue playing this field or you can go the other route and express this vulnerability. It ultimately depends on what you’re filtering for; (whether that be superficial surface level bitches or girls who are actually more respectful) the cards are always in your hands when you have the freedom of choice.

[–]_do_not_read_this_-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Maybe if I ever become gay I'll try it and let you know if it worked.

[–]armenian_UwUcide0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why would you even mention that that? Are you in denial?

In all seriousness, the goal should just to be authentically oneself. Everyone has traits that make them human, those should not be hidden in an LTR or in friendships. As a man, you check those shitty traits at the door, as you stated, but there is no happiness in being a robot.

[–]user123456786540 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

You are in for a rude awakening

[–]AHAPPYMERCHANT0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Animal cruelty is a whole other level

[–]user123456786541 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

There's a study. I will have to look it up later. That stuff like cruelty and such actually catches the intrugue of the most conservative people.

Beyond that. Within the the story the top commenter told, she was probably looking to break him. He either learns to man up or he leaves because he's too weak. Take it as another form of a shit test.

You openly display your weakness. Don't get suprised when your weakness is targeted.

[–]AHAPPYMERCHANT1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree entirely (tho ofc I haven't seen any studies like that so idk about that), I just think there are some shit tests that aren't worth passing.

[–]_do_not_read_this_1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You openly display your weakness. Don't get suprised when your weakness is targeted.

I get this, now. I didn't quite understand it at the time. It was a few years ago. Lessons learned.

[–]armenian_UwUcide1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

or he leaves because he is too weak

Wrong. It is not weak to leave just because you have boundaries; it is weak to stay and tolerate abuse just because you’re desperate for pussy. Don’t confuse self-respect for weakness, that’s some old school fake macho shit.

[–]user123456786540 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

You are misunderstanding my interpretation.

It's important to define a boundary here.

It's one thing to say I don't like this/that.

It's another to say I don't like this. Stop. Don't do it again.

The later is a boundary. The former is a statement of one's possible weakness.

[–]armenian_UwUcide0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

That’s a bit nit picky of you, I guess. But all the same, that’s the point I was making. After stating the boundary, it would not be weak to leave after the boundary was violated. Shitty people should be left to rot.

[–]user123456786541 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not nit picky at all.

And it is not the same. To assume someone should avoid doing something because it might offend you is naive. You have to explicitly tell them not to do it.

You can leave regardless of whether a boundary was crossed. That's you exercising your freedom.

[–]_do_not_read_this_-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link


I was getting bored of both of them, it would be nice to still have them around to bang but it was getting tedious.

[–]oldskoolflavor10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a real thing many men who grew up in good old fashioned homes refuse to see or digest. Welcome to the 2000's.

[–]EEIET07180 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Damn they must have been effed up in the head

[–]_do_not_read_this_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link


It was always some b.s. like , "here's some starving puppies but see it's a happy video because they're getting rescued."

[–]successful20917 points18 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

“Don’t tell them where it hurts, because that’s exactly where they’ll hit you. “ love that. I think that works for everybody. I learned to keep a lot of shit to myself over the years.

[–]oldskoolflavor6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And good for you. Don't bottle all your shit either. Just be selective about what you share, and with who.

[–]aweful_aweful3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Some may not be that crass to directly hit it. They'll just lose respect for you.

[–]Yoramus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

"When the occasion arises" is when you should dump them. Nobody should use what you say in an intimate moment against you, and continues to be with you.

[–]_do_not_read_this_93 points94 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Last night my main gf was crying on my shoulder about the covid stuff and she said, "I wish I could be like you and take it all in stride and not let it bother me," and in that dark room I quietly high-fived TRP.


I pulled her close to me and kissed her on the forehead. She eased up and latched on to me like a lost child.

Don't change her mind, change her mood.

[–]Raxacory17 points18 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

what do you mean by main gf?

[–]BloodSurgery24 points25 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What, you dont have more than one gf?

[–]fuckinpoliticsbro1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]_do_not_read_this_1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And if you ever wondered where "spinning plates" comes from ...

The Bozo Show:

[–]Grimsterr1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That is your "bottom bitch" according to Butters.

[–]Senior ContributorMentORPHEUS2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

When you manage several women at once, it is useful to arrange them into a well defined hierarchy. Here's an overview of that sort of life, also read HumanSockPuppet and Whisper's works.

[–]_do_not_read_this_0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

"gf" stands for girlfriend.

I have one that's my main that's been around for a while and with whom I do most of my stuff; and just depending on the season, one or two on the side. Those would be side gfs or "plates"

[–]Thorusss2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If she from time to time softly cries in your arm about something she is feel, seeking your affection, while you hold a warm but stoic space, you are in a great place with her.

The other way around, not so much.

[–]Young_Zarathustra21 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Rocky, you cut him! He's not a machine, he's a man!"

If Rocky never saw him bleed, he wouldn't have won the fight.

[–]Science_and_Lazy9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Shiiiiiiiit man. this has happened to me with multiple ex's. They all complained I was a robot and then I trusted them, after that they disappeared. This man is correct. Handle your shit. Go to your brother or your father (doesn't matter if they are bio or not). Those people will help you more.

My brother was killed and the one person I could talk to (my ex, I had to be the strong one for the family) she used his death against me. She was more upset I didn't consider her feelings. When I was ugly crying about my baby brother she wanted an apology.

[–]Neyjuve6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Go to your therapist to vent in case you need it.

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[–]Tyred_Biggums12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's actually a little sad that your frame is so fragile that you interpret a woman checking you're okay (possibly a sign of a good quality woman) as a 'crisis' and a threat to you.

If you are doing or not doing things in order to get her to fuck you, you’re already in her frame.

You can LARP an iron wall of no emotion for a random girl and probably get laid. But no one wants an autistic robot long term.

Don’t whine and put your problem on her. “I got the covid and feel so sick, woe is me, please take care of me”.

What if... you don’t complain or whine but are honest and authentic?
“Hey - are you feeling ok?”
“Nope - got the covid, I’ll be fine”.

“How are you holding up their your dad died?” I’m pretty sad but know I’ll work through that. Thanks for asking

Yeah she’s not going to go jump on top of you that second - and if you’re sick or your dad just died it would be really weird if she did.

But if she’s a quality woman then she may bring you soup if you’re sick, or let you know she’s there for you if your dad died. And if she doesn’t or uses it against you? Well she just failed the quality woman human test.

You don’t ask or need or expect anything from her (or anyone) and still can show that you’re vulnerable. It’s their problem if they don’t like that, not yours.

Example: I was dehydrated. My girlfriend is a nurse. I didn’t complain at all. But it got bad. Like probably needing an ER bad. At one point she asked how I was. For the past few hours I laughed it off and I was “fine”. This time I simply said “something is wrong, I’m going to the doctor”

Yeah we weren’t going to have sex then - for either of us. And no she probably didn’t have a WAP in that moment. What did she do? She drove around town in the pouring rain getting IV supplies, gave me an IV and I recovered. No doctor needed. That showed me some value.

I recovered and fucked her brains out two days later. No big deal.

Has she brought it up? Sure. Both in a shit test and non shit test way. First - she was right that if I didn’t say I’m fine for six hours it wouldn’t have gotten that bad. I’ve admitted this- it was my mistake. You should be able to admit your mistakes based on your own assessment.

Two - when she shit tests I’m stubborn. I just smile and AA or AM it.* “Stubborn like a fox”. * “hahaha that’s not the saying”.

[–]Speed_Trapp23 points24 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

If a man wasn’t upset when his loved ones died I’d be concerned that he’s a sociopath.

[–]modsarerainbowish1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Some men just never express emotion to anybody. Nothing wrong with that.

[–]Just_Another_Wookie5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What really matters is what you let on about yourself when you reveal these feelings. Everyone knows that life is stressful and revealing that you're occasionally stressed as well is no weakness. Are you worrying and doing little more about it than sitting around complaining or are you taking a stressful situation, formulating a response, and dealing with it rationally? No one wants an emotionless robot. What counts is what you demonstrate through your responses to the inherent stresses of life.

[–]_370HSSV_6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This post is about the skans you fuck and leave, not about good women. A good woman won't leave you if you're down a few days but a bitch will.

[–]sondash0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

yeah, especially in long-term relationships

[–]Senior ContributorMentORPHEUS6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I smiled and hugged her tightly. She hugged me back as tightly as possible, so tight it was hard to breathe. Crisis averted twice without saying a word.

Excellent example of leading her using her emotions, rather than attempting it with words.

Another example of this method that I have used many times. I'm very parsimonious with the use of the word "love." Sooner or later, women end up crying or nearly so complaining that they need to hear it once in a while. I'll hug her tight and softly ask, "But do you feel loved?" My relationship behavior up till then makes them realize a heartfelt, "Yes!"

[–]dynospectrum710 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm just wondering, whats up with TRP's thing for semi-dramatic post titles?

Bitching aside, the content of the post is spot on. You can share your shitty experiences from the past so long as it seemingly has no affect on you now. Easier said than done though.

[–]Young_Zarathustra12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Branding. People want to be ECs and shit.

I had an English class where bitches unironically loved Heathcliff from Wuthering Heights because the past made him "troubled."

Of course Linton had a troubled past too but no one liked him because he was a whiny little pussy about it.

Colorful past is actually an asset if you're masculine.

[–]Thorusss1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You can share your shitty experiences

from the past

so long as it seemingly has no affect on you now

Or especially if you overcame it are stronger for it.

[–]aweful_aweful10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Something I learned on my own, and a young age. I was into some dumb shit and it was about to come to a head. As a kid, to me, it seemed the end of the world.

My girl and I were cooking and hanging out and I seemed distracted to her so she asked what's up. She barely had any knowledge about what was going on. I told her how worried I was about everything and what was going on. I opened up about what I had been doing and seriousness of my business. That something had gone wrong and even details, my fears etc, nothing even that crazy like crying but enough revealed to make her start looking at me in a different way. She even absentmindedly mentioned it when we broke up, referencing that time period. Shortly before it all came to fruition, so she wouldn't have to deal with the fallout. Turned out ok, but her behavior was a glimpse into this phenomena.

I read you comment about a parent dying and not being able to even have a moment of weakness then, and I actually agree with you. Still though it is horrible to consider that's such cold shit, but it's true, it's how they work.

She will lose respect for you, might be subconsciously but she will.

Never tell your woman your bad news, fears, or open up with your weakness and vulnerabilities. It's never ended well.

[–]Er1ss4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't like the bleeding metaphor. Bleeding men who stay strong turns bitches on like nothing else. Show them you bleed all day long but don't give them a single hint that you might break because of it.

Obviously it's just semantics but a better metaphor improves the message.

[–]Thorusss0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, show it, if truly affect you, but carry it with inner strength and the conviction, that you are already on your path out.

[–]Trpmule3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think its important to clarify - because its a common misconception with these kinds of posts - that there is a difference between being stressed out or sad and showing weakness. If you're acting "different," a woman will pick up on it. If you're upset for a valid reason, like your father dying, a woman isn't going to judge you. Its how you respond to the stress that she's going to judge you on. Ive only seen my father cry once in my life, and that was when I was a little kid and he was in the bedroom, door closed and i just happened to walk in (his mother died).This doesnt mean he's never been upset, or has no emotions. But he never showed us weakness. This post is spot on, but some people will misinterpret it as "be a robot with no emotion."

[–]NobodyP14 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

When you open up she will gossip about it with her friends and use what you said against you later

[–]arakouzo9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It goes even farther than this. Women do not actually want you to emote or connect emotionally with them. They want to feel emotionally connected with you, but actual emoting from you just gets in the way of that feeling.

Women feel emotionally connected with you when they feel safe. They think that they would feel safe if you were comfortable enough to open up to them, so that's what they verbally ask for. But that's not what actually makes them feel safe.

Women don't just hate your vulnerability. They hate a real emotional connection with you. Because a real emotional connection doesn't feel the way they want to feel. They don't know they hate it. They think they want it and constantly ask for it. But it never feels right because it's not what they actually want.

Men used to have male friends they were very close with, and emotional with. They used to prefer to do shit with their man friends, then come home to have sex with their wives. Their wives would hang out and do woman shit with their woman friends in the mean time. Under that arrangement, women felt safe and well cared for, without all of this male vulnerability and deep emotional connection bullshit.

This traditional male behavior has been marginalized by our hyper-sexual pro-homosexuality culture, and now being emotionally close with other men is regarded as gay. Your woman is now supposed to be your best friend and closest emotional confidant, which leads to a relationship where she secretly despises you, avoids sex, and bitches to her woman friends about you behind your back, while you work 23 hours a day, have no male friends, and can't wait to come home to her, none the wiser.

[–]cluelessguitarist4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A real life example of this would be the will smith crying meme. Its sad

[–]PepinoSF2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

See you bleed is fine, but see you whining about it is a recepie for disaster

[–]B3ER2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

In my blue days I decided to open up to my ex about my insecurities and feelings, because that's what everyone says you should do. Only for her to eventually turn my weaknesses into a weapon and now I need therapy for the bitch. Women are selfish and cruel, every single one of them. Lift yourself, lift your weights, lift your frame.

[–]HurricaneHugues2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"No woman on planet earth has ever said the following:

“God, that man over there crying his eyes out because his father died is so fucking hot. I’m gonna suck his dick and swallow his children.”"

About that:

[–]Rexile2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly, If your girl is disgusted seeing you mourn the death of your family member then shes not a LTR material, she's plate or fleshlight at best. Next. Its the best shit test you can give to a woman and you can easily see if shes worth your time and commitment.

There are only few moments in the life of a man where he can be truly vulnerable, and no one is allowed to resent or condemn him.

[–]bilabrin1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The flip side of the coin is congruity and alphaness. Nothing builds trust in a relationship like honesty and opening up. You don't have to lie or hide and you become relatable.

We speak with our body more than words so the vast majority of our communication is non-verbal. In other words, feeling like you have to hide your weakness is beta and if you have that minset you can't hide it.

I lead with that shit because its alpha to show you dont care if they'll judge you negatively for it. If they do, next them. Don't go around hiding your anus to impress someone. If you have the right mindset you can meet people who aren't so shallow that their pussies dry up if they see you doing something normal like grieving.

[–]NormalAndy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Black Philip has its boring bits but undoubtedly the “indifferent on the couch” point hit home like a ton of TNT. Worth it just for that and it was 1st episode

If you can hold frame and stay cool, she ain’t going nowhere.

[–]SouthDakotaCornbread1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is 100% true and is the #1 takeaway all men should understand from this sub.

I realized this on my own 7 years ago when I fucked up by telling the girl I was with about my insecurities about my career (I’m not happy, should I switch careers, things aren’t going well, etc.) Big mistake. She acted like a wounded cat. I got zero support, it was all about how a change in my status might affect her.

Even if she had been better at disguising that, all women feel that to some degree. You can’t rely on women for emotional support.

[–]AceMav211 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Never let her see you bleed even if you get shot or stabbed. Alphas are impervious to everything.

[–]Vynxe-Vainglory1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Say it again for the people in the back.

The comments would suggest that these bloops still didn’t get it.

[–]Lord-of-Circles1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Our ancestors knew this which is why they STRONGLY discouraged men from displaying vulnerable emotions. "Men don't cry".

We are having to relearn all these lessons that were basic, common knowledge in Roman times.

Importantly, we were made to forget these lessons so that we are utterly enslaved to the Feminine Imperative. This is high-level Social Engineering-tier stuff to weaken men.

[–]actuallythink1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’ve got another example of this being true as fuck. Just got home to my loving, anal taking, submissive as fuck, wife of 15 years. I had been at the gym for the last hour.
She asks “how was your workout?” I reply “tough. Hit my rep PR on deadlifting.” Her: how much? “405 six times” She looked at me with disappointment, “and it was tough?”

God damn, this bitch is like 130lbs. I could pick up her, her sister, and her mom 6 fucking times and she’s acting like I’m a weak bitch.

I just looked at her sideways in a way that told her tiny ass to get ready for when the kids go to bed early...

[–]Endorsed ContributorSKRedPill1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What they really meant was "Show me your frame during your worst moments"

Being at your limits or being weak or facing bad news or being less skilled in a particular thing is not the problem as much as how you handle it. That is where frame comes in.

There are two ways of losing frame - 1) When faced with pain and 2) When faced with pleasure. The second is always the most insiduous shit test because it doesn't even look like a shit test. The end result of both ways is ultimately the same. We talk a lot of shit tests, but we don't really talk of the other type that much, but women can and will do it.

A lot of old school books have come down heavily on cases of men for losing their frame to the temptation of sex and offers of comfort by women. They didn't talk about being shit tested, they probably had that figured out. This one is more subtle.

As W Anton puts it in "The Manual", when women want you to show emotions, they want you to show MASCULINE emotions and expressions.

Also it takes a good wise frame not to fall for this BS in the first place.

[–]heroisdoreddit1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

When tested for being too “cold” or “distant” be sure to give them physical affection. Anything else will be questioned and doubted.

Ok, this is actionable advice. Thanks.

[–]Huntbutt1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

“Babe, I love it when you bitch and complain about work. It turns me on. Fuck me in the ass.”

Haha , thanks for the laugh

[–]InsaneConfusion1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've always agreed and knew about this. But I've slipped a little bit during my LTR, showed some vulnerability and cried in front of her. She used to say how she loves to see me cry because it would show I'm human and I have a heart. Today we had some issues and she told me to go back to crying like a little bitch.

yeah... this is what happens when you show vulnerability. Agreed though, I was a little bitch for crying (in front of her at least). Never again. Thanks for the post bro

[–]Angry_runt2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Just walk on eggshells around your women so that she doesn't lose attraction for you. So alpha.

[–]tomasdelsexface2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Name checks out

[–]boy_named_su1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes, only spill your guts to trusted male relatives, trusted friends, or your (male) psychologist

[–]user12345678654-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would argue to not do this unless you ABSOLUTELY need to.

[–]TheGweatandTewwible1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why the fuck are you worried about what a girl thinks of you? If you only want a ONS, this type of stuff shouldn't even come up, first of all.

Second, if you're in a LTR, sooner or later she's going to see SOME vulnerability or else you'll go insane. It's part of being a human. Own up to it like a man, don't be a bitch about your problems and keep on doing your thing. Being a man with drive and purpose FAR supersedes any random moment she saw any vulnerability. If she's worth a shit AND you've trained her right, she'll actually want to help you get through whatever it is you're going through.

Either way, deal with your shit healthily (meditate, work out, hobbies) and everything will fall into place. Who cares what a girl thinks?

[–]jrr6415sun1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Accidentally slipped up and told a girl I was lonely because of everything being shutdown with quarantine. Things haven’t been the same since. She lost a lot of respect/feelings for me.

[–]Domebeers1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is one of the best pieces of relationship management advice there is and I see so many guys blow it. Like you say, "open up to me babe" is nothing but a trap, and you get what you deserve if you do it.

I even go further, I don't think you can really let them see you in physical pain either. I was pitching and I took a come-backer and it hit my hand and like blew it up, I had to get stitches and all that, but when it happened I didn't even flinch because there was a girl watching who I wanted to fuck. While my teammate did first aid on the hand I sat there flirting with the girl. Christ the things we do to get pussy.

[–]throwaway9w826261810 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think the one exception to this is your mother/other familial women. It's ok to tell your mother how you feel.

[–]actuallythink2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, it’s not. While you may not want to bang your mom (not passing judgement on those who do, you sick fucks) this applies to her as well. She WILL treat you differently and remember that the womaniverse is connected. If she treats you differently any LTR you bring around will pick up on it. It’s contagious.

[–]toughenup20160 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No man is made of steel or immortal. At some point pressure may get too heavy to handle and women, instead of supporting, stab you at your weakest point when you are already down and bleeding. Don't get attached, just enjoy your turn and move on.

[–]Jack0fDiamonds0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm on both sides of the spectrum with this one. If you let your guard down with the wrong girl your fucked, however if you keep the walls up for the wrong girl your fucked. The trick is knowing when is the right time i guess. I don't know either way is depressing.

[–]chechenWolf7860 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

How to balance this advice, and the "show vulnerability" from the book Models?

[–]Hourglass510 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually a normal woman would probably be turned off if your dad dies, you had a good relationship with him yet don’t cry.

It means there’s something wrong with you and could imply your brain wasn’t formed or wired in a conventionally normal way

[–]alfred3110 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agree 100%, theres nothing that will dry her pussy seeing you on your lowest, bit your tounge and master the art of STFU when you want to express your emotions

[–]hmjuice0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Pahahaha don’t ever keep your shit bottled up. You wanna cry because your father died? Go ahead. If she doesn’t want you after that, who gives a flying fuck. Do whatever you want

[–]CameOnHerBitties0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is it bad that I don't show emotion to anyone? Am I the only one who has his shit together like I won't cry if my mom or dad died or I lost my job? It's just I feel like crying and bitching about it is just a pure waste of time. I am always efficient in my work. My whole family lost their jobs because of COVID and they gathered together to bitch about and in the mean time I was learning how to sell shit online and how to do ads and I still have a steady stream of income while they are sitting on their asses eating away their "savings"(money they borrowed from me which they refuse to give back). It's like I refuse to show emotion to anyone whether it be the boys or my gf.

[–]notpahimar0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I wonder if people are forgetting that the marketplace works both ways.

Where the male can derive no benefit from association with the female, no such association should take place, either. But most men are so desperate for a female that they forget this advice.

[–]beachbbqlover0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually, having her see you practice stoicism and mental stability when things are hardest makes them wet.

[–]strikethrough1230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If I show “weakness” after a relative has passed and she leaves? Good riddance

[–]sjtomcat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dude a man can cry if his parents died holy shit we aren’t robots

[–]deadangleXx0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I disagree with ur point on this I think this only applies when ur only goal is sex and not a long term relationship if sex was ur only goal then this approach makes sense but in my view and opinion opening up and talking about ur feelings with someone u care about and cares about u helps as for the go cry in ur room this doesn't help the problem or help the man ur telling this too this is why men are committing suicide at a much higher rate then women because it's unhealthy to keep ur pain bottled up

[–]CaciqueBoss0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

i tend to say what i feel. i dont care if she see me weak. it kinda conveys confidence.

[–]Mr_KenSpeckle0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

In an LTR, even with your best efforts, she’s going to see enough of your flaws anyway. No need to add to it with some misguided notion that a total emotional reveal is going to help the situation. Most guys these days overshare. Strive not to show weakness; you’ll still screw up often enough that she’ll get to see your human side.

[–]GunnerIronPile0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

this rule isnt just for women. nobody gives a rats ass how hard you work or what odds you overcame.

in fact, it takes away the magic if people know how you did it

make it look easy and effortless

[–]aherne180 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm always using it to keep out women that become over invested (dreaming about moving or having a family with you). The effect is complete deflation of attraction: from 100% to 0% in split second (creamy to dry pussies). Pure science: you can notice it even in how their body temperature drops instantly in reaction to your words...

This thing is useful because in that moment you may not have the energy to keep her away (being alone makes you liable for compromises) so I summon science to help me: in a couple of days they become too disgusted and drop off:)

[–]linkofinsanity190 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

My take is:

Don't intentionally open up weaknesses to a woman. Save that for the Bros or some other healthy outlet (training is a good one, just don't go snapping your rolling partner's ankle because of it). We are all human and at some point we WILL have a moment of weakness in front of a woman.

If she's LTR worthy AND you've established competency to overcome things, she likely won't hold it against you so long as YOU PICK YOURSELF UP AND TAKE CARE OF THINGS AFTER. Also, it's probably not a good idea to make this a habit.

[–]TheBunk_TB0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Went to a trusted male friend, not someone you are trying to put it to.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, only act vulnerable to a woman if you're trying to get her leave. Works like a charm, but it's actually a terrible idea because it sets a bad precedent. It's better just to break up with her, or not get involved with her in the first place.

For me, it was an example of how DEEP the beta ran in me, where I cared more about other people's FEELINGS rather than my own SELF-INTEREST. I literally had to trace the tendency back to high school, where I would feel guilty over at first being interested, and then turned off by some particular girl, and I was seeking to avoid some perceived social fallout, when really, nobody gave a fuck.

[–]throwaway_1792920 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I find this subreddit interesting. To me, nothing is more attractive than a guy that can be vulnerable. I dated a guy who wasn't super open for two years and I worked so hard to get him to come out of his shell for me and, to me, it was worth the work. It can be a pain trying to break through the whole macho man routine so I usually don't even bother with those types. I understand men wanting to be seen as manly and all but I love when a guy shows me his softer side. I want them to feel comfortable expressing pain around me so that I can comfort and love them and build them back up. Nobody else has to see their weakness, but it makes me feel good to know that i can provide a safe space for the person I'm dating. I haven't dated in over half a year since that two year relationship, but when I do, I want to provide a loving space for that person. I dont imagine this is too rare, I just think a lot of guys tend to go for girls who aren't looking for something serious and get burnt out. I quite enjoy serving a partner and I think love is supposed to be a mutual servitude and support. I love playing with a guy's hair, giving shoulder rubs, and watching their favorite shows, and it is nice though not expected when they do the same for me. I've never understood the concept of girls not liking vulnerable guys. I think vulnerability is very important in a relationship. I want to be that shoulder to cry on. Everyone deserves to feel loved. Love is doing something and expecting nothing in return. I don't need a guy to be useful, I just need him to love me and be willing to be vulnerable.

[–]minarchyandmalarchy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Jesus fucking christ, you limp wristed, brain dead incels really fucking believe this shit. Go fucking sign up for some boxing classes, some muay thai, bjj, realize what the fuck it can feel like to be a man, and then smoke a fucking joint with a bitch and quit being such a fucking fatalist, inflamed pussy. Jesus fuck. "One girl turned me down and now i know for sure that they're all darwinian robots with no cerebral potential beyond wanting to fuck chad." Y'all really are pathetic. Yeah, avoid being a fucking cuck, but you don't need to fucking overcorrect and become a heman woman hater jihadist, jesus fucking christ. The internet is fucking retarded. Go get your fucking dick sucked, it isn't that hard, christ all fucking mighty. Just relax and learn to spit some fucking game. Become a fucking interesting person and then slay some pussy, fucking shit you fucking inbred fuckers act like it's differential equations getting fucking laid, christ.

[–]minarchyandmalarchy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Seriously, y'all fuckin incels need to just nut up, do some fuckin pushups, get some pussy, and realize life ain't as hard as you're making it out to be. I will admit though, there is a grain of truth in what you're saying. Appearing weak in certain scenarios, though warranted, can fuck you over.

[–]johnjohnson565656560 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I disagree so much. A relationship isn’t just about sex, it’s also about emotional support.

[–]actuallythink0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Case in point: a few years ago prior to discovering TRP I experienced something I felt was extremely tragic. (You can find the detailed story in my recent comment history if you’re into that shit.) I shared this with my wife and let her see me bleed. She feigned empathy and did the nice, compassionate things but our sex life took a major dive to the point that I started searching the internet and found this place. She even started referencing my “mommy issues” (the fucking bitch...)

After realizing AWALT and opening my eyes to the truths of this post I have refused to let anything get me to that point again. She will not see me bleed. And, if y’all will give me the opportunity to humble brag a bit: I fuck her in the ass when I want, thanks to TRP fundamentals.

[–]johncillo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, I agree with 100% on this post. But I learned the hard way that is not good to bottle up emotions. And you can tell women about something that happened ONLY if it doesn’t affect you anymore. From a place of stoicism, like a “yeah, that happened, I’m still alive and well, want a beer?” don’t let your guard down, so everyday, take care of your emotions so you don’t put the burden on others.

[–]smgtn-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

“I feel like I’m your enemy, do you even like me? You never tell me anything..."

I pulled her close to me and kissed her on the forehead.

That sounds like a good opportunity to respond with the good old "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer" 😎

[–]Super3Aris-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lot of cope in thread. Of course female, regardless of 'quality' (AWALT), does not want to see man acting like a bitch. This does not mean when giant machine crush ur hand like paper mache that u ignore because you big strong alpha. It means don't be a complainer! Suffer in silence instead of being a woman or homosexual always pushing your problems on other people.

[–]brasilgringo-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Counterpoint: Nikki Glaser says men crying makes her hot. again, she has a subscription to and likes gangbang/hogtied porn (god bless her!):

[–]ReyneWoods-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Jesus man, what a sad view of the world.

You do know that men are about 6 times more likely to abandon their seriously ill partner? Some speculate that while women can rely on friends, men mostly rely on their wives for emotional support. So when she's out of the picture, we collapse.

As for my anecdotal argument, my wife continued dating me despite (me):

  • admitting to being treated for BPD2, BPD, having sociopathic and narcissistic tencies
  • having comittment issues
  • being fat
  • being a college drop out at the time she earned her first degree
  • being broke
  • confessing my anxieties and regrets (I was a fuck up till about two yeas after meeting her - my late 20s)
  • having to sell my sportscar and house to cover dad's treatment bills, during which I was close to homeless and told her so
  • losing my job
  • being so broke I could barely afford to eat (quit smoking and drinking at this time)
  • sinking into depression caused by the BPD2 and not talking to her for weeks at a time
  • having to move to a foreign country for two years due to a work assignment
  • frequently ranting about things (she loved starting them, often fucked me afterwards, and while separated, she would ask me to record voice messages of my rants)
  • admitting my feelings (missing her, caring about her, worrying about her)

I'm sure you are going to make a mental picture of me being a soggy soy boy from this, but she didn't. The more weakness and vulnerability I showed, the more determined she seemed to stay and help me pull through.

I rejoined my local gym the month I met her, lost 24kg and gained back 10 in muscle. Found a new flat and landed a prestigious job at a leading company. Several times have I told her it was her giving me the motivation and strength to keep going. Her undying fandom and enthusiasm for my being (despite my many shortcomings) was a major transformative force in my life. She got hyped and jokingly offered me her hand in marriage when I showed her my W40K painting station. She drove for 6 hours to help me sort my shit and move out. She randomly sent me care packages. Called me handsome when I was disgusted with myself. She, a student in her early 20s, would invite me, a late 20s employed man, to cafeterias, restaurants, and museums. She actively participated in my side projects and did research in other languages (because she spoke 4).

She nor I believed her to be a unicorn. It was a major luck that put two compatible people together. Whatever she saw in me made her see my failings as challenges to overcome. That is not to say you should open up soon as possible and as often as you can. Being constantly whiny does look pathetic and drains both of you. I wish you to find someone who'll accept you whenever you need to vent, bitch, and moan about things, and tell you they love and believe in you afterwards.

[–]3LiveAFTSOV2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

nice story bro. slay that pussy every night.

[–]slappysq-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This. If you’re upset about something, don’t let her see you sad. Express your sadness as anger.

[–]KarmaKill23-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

“What’s the benefit of associating with a weak man?”

Easy: she gets to cry victim being “stuck” with a weak man. That’s valuable in today’s messed up society.

That is not good. That is not me saying it’s acceptable for men to be like that. I’m saying that’s why this advice is worthy of mainstream. In a sick way, it works just enough that people buy it. Today’s society is so fucked up

[–]Trollz4fun-4 points-3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I used red pill to get that hot 23 yo. We been on 2 dates and she already told me she has feelings for me.i just broke my collar bone. Wish me luck

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