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New levels of hypocrisy and double standards in TwoX

January 31, 2016
159 upvotes

I'm used to this shit on female/beta focused subs, but two posts today really caught my attention while browsing the default subs:

"My husband says that he can have sex with me or touch me any way he likes because I am his wife."

  • Summary: Apparently non-Western woman is married to a man who has sex with her whenever he pleases, even when she protests or says no. Commenters say to divorce him, go to the police, etc. If she is to be believed, seems like a clear case of marital rape though it's not clear what the cultural context is.

My husband refuses to have sex

  • Summary: The exact opposite scenario. Man is on antidepressants (which reduce libido) and refuses to have sex with his wife. Says her desire for sex is unnatural and dirty (sound familiar)? Commenters tell her to see a doctor to get his meds changed, go to a therapist, divorce him (people even talked about HUSBANDLY duties! irony is completely lost on these ingrates), and even CHEAT on him! Nobody considers the possibility that she is unattractive.

Not to excuse the crime of rape, but why is there no discussion of wifely duties, especially the duty to have sex with your husband? It's clear people consider it a 'husbandly' duty to have sex with your wife. What would the reaction be if the wife slipped the husband viagra and forced herself on him?

Lessons Learned: It's always the man's fault.

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Title New levels of hypocrisy and double standards in TwoX
Author InscrutablePUA
Upvotes 159
Comments 47
Date January 31, 2016 8:16 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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[–][deleted] 149 points150 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Sex is ultimately about power.

A woman who will have sex with a man is conceding that he's so utterly fantastic that she will risk death for him. A man saying he will not have sex with a woman is saying she has no control. Rape is what happens when when men cheat by getting sex without the voluntary submission. Accusations of rape occur when she submits without getting what she expected. Cuckoldry is what happens when a woman cheats by getting resources without risking her life.

Team girl will always support false rape accusations and cuckoldry. They will always oppose the rape as the inability for women to say no and they will oppose men choosing to say no. Women do not have a concept of morality, empathy, or fairness. They have a concept of sexual dynamics and how to leverage it to get power. Looking for consistency is pretending that women are men, things that often try to act in everyone's best interest. Do not consider women's views or opinions in terms of consistency. Think of them in terms of power.

[–]afkb39sdfb40 points41 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

"Everything in the world is about sex except sex. Sex is about power." ~Oscar Wilde

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Jesus h christ on a bicycle, that's a good quotation.

[–]textualintercourse2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Oscar Wilde is pure gold. I highly recommend googling and reading through some of his quotes.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Love Oscars wilde but that one is new to me and damn is it a gem

[–][deleted] 29 points30 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There is no conversation of wifely duties, because they no longer exist.

How can people comment on something they haven't conceived of?

Get married, claim birth control, child trap male by cuck, walk away with at the least, government aid, child support, alimony, repeat.

There are no wifely duties. They no longer exist in America. (as long as the woman isn't a gratuitously obvious case against feminism, then she's thrown under the bus, then into the grinder).

It doesn't happen because it statistically can't.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon23 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

why is there no discussion of wifely duties

Because feminism is a sexual strategy designed to maximise female resources, maximise female sexual options, and minimise female responsibility.

The Blue Pill world is a Feminist world. Women have all the options, men have all the responsibility. Flipping the genders doesn't change this.

[–]Moolg8631 points32 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Having persued both threads and their comments i'd disagree with you saying that the situations are exactly analogous.

your assesment of the concept at play here is spot on, but in the first scenario the man regularly takes from his wife what the wife from the second scenario cannot take from her husband.

Maybe if the second wife was actually slipping the husband viagra i'd agree more with your comparison, but what the first husband is doing is not at all what we advocate here and doesn't really help his case. It's not as though he's being constantly rebuffed in his advances either, so I think your comparison is slightly off.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon27 points28 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The point isn't that they are comparable, it's the tone of the responses.

Women will crown endlessly that a man has no right to sex... while simultaneously declaring female sexual rights from whoever she pleases.

[–]tb8767010 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is the point that needs to be driven home. Women want to deny men rights and further their own. They want to fuck 50 guys a year with no remorse but they do not want any men to have sex at all until a woman demands it from a guy. They want us to be like breeding stock, raise us all up and then they get to choose their favorite the rest are sent to the grinder.

[–]1InscrutablePUA[S] 7 points8 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

They're close enough to compare but you're right in that the wife isn't assaulting the husband (yet). I'm not condoning the first man's actions.

My intention was to highlight the complete lack of discussion of 'wifely' duties and responsibilities and how the same advice given to a woman is suddenly unacceptable to give to a man.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The difference is huge though.

4 years of no sex vs on command or raped

4 years is a failure of duties for either gender and whenever the other person commands or you get raped is no where even close to anyone's duty

[–]BradPill3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

The problem with the first post is that she doesn't indicate when/how often she wants to have sex. She only tells us when she doesn't want to (period, tired). So, does she refuse him sex all the time? Neglecting her wifely duties completely?

In your second comment:

Nobody considers the possibility that she is unattractive.

Ummm.... well, he married her, right? Unless she grew into a whale, did she become unattractive overnight? Also, his libido is down (to zero), so she doesn't get what she wants/needs...

BTW, in France a guy withheld sex from his wife (without medical reason) and she filed for divorce - the judge granted her money because he didn't fulfill his duties - implying sex can be expected in a marriage. (granted, I have not heard about the reverse).

[–]dsade1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I believe she uses the words "often tired", so take that how you will.

[–]Dravous0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ummm.... well, he married her, right?

she stated that is was an arranged marriage, so that's probably not as big of a point as it would be normally.

[–]BradPill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

My bad - I didn't follow those links (there's only so much I can handle). But it explains him being on anti-depressants - his family must have hated him (them being all too happy they could hook him up - maybe he was MGTOW-ing, disgracing the family?)

[–]throwawaydefriended0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I agree with you and came exactly here to say this.

But how about instead of considering the wife slipping viagra and forcing herself, let's alter the other scenario for a second: What if in scenario #1, instead of posting about a man who was raping her (I mean, that is what he was doing), she was talking about a husband that constantly begs for sex and tries to negotiate it, despite her being on a medication, and how it 'annoys' her when he does it or how he's 'trying to manipulate'? What do you think the responses would be then? Would they still tell her to divorce/run away/call police?

[–]Moolg860 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

we all know what the response would be

"Men aren't entitled to sex"

"all you think about is sex"

etc

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

TwoX is normally a clown show but I wouldn't call these examples of hypocrisy or double standards.

Example 1: wife isn't attracted to hubby so hubby demands sex from her. You can't negotiate desire (read the sidebar). Hubby needs referral to TRP or MRP.

Example 2: hubby hasn't initiated sex in 4 years and wifey hasn't left?! I think we may have found an actual unicorn /s

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Example 1 seems to quite love her husband except for the occasional marital rape. She defends him as a great guy

[–]Lakey916 points7 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Marital rape? There's no such thing. Marriage is consent to sex and an agreement of duty to the spouse. It's even absurd when looking at the root of the word which is from the word snatch. From whom are you snatching your wife?

To SJWs a man who forcefully has sex with his wife is a rapist because they have no intellectual or moral capacity to comprehend that something other than rape can be sexually immoral. It's why they have to frame sex with minors in terms of 'consent', despite the fact that many 14-16 year olds are perfectly capable of consenting (and we let them off when they have sex with others of the same age). In reality it's not the consent that makes it immoral, but it would ruin the SJWs notion of free love to believe in any other form of sexual sin.

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Seriously?

Fuck you.

The guy physically holds her down against her will and forces himself on her despite her wishes and verbal protests.

THAT IS RAPE AND IS WRONG

It can't be any more clear cut than that.

[–]Lakey914 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Try not to think with your feels and use your frontal cortex. It helps of you read what I wrote.

Just because it isn't rape doesn't mean it's not immoral. The reason we classify it as rape is because degenerates think the only way sexual behaviour can be immoral is if it's rape, so any behaviour they're uncomfortable with must be classed as rape.

If a man kills another, it's not promoting theft to say it's not theft.

If a man beats another into a coma, but he doesn't die, it's not promoting murder to say it's not murder.

If a man lies about another to damage his reputation, it's not promoting libel to say it's slander.

I'd tell you to read St. Thomas Aquinas but I don't think any of his books come with trigger warnings.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Explain to me how holding someone down and having sex with them against their will isn't rape.

[–]Senior ContributorDemonspawn7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Explain to me how a wife taking money from her husband's wallet isn't theft.

[–]Mitchell780 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Who cares? She married him so she should have sex with him.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

And choosing not to does not give him the right to rape her

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The absolute narcissism of modern women means that they are only capable of thinking about themselves, their feels and things that directly affect them. If a woman is in a situation she only thinks about herself. The thought of other women in similar situation does not enter her mind. In other words she lacks the ability to abstract up.

So if a sorority girl throws up in Frat house, she's going to be angry at people for not taking care of her. The thought that she's one of thousands sloppy sluts doesn't enter her mind.

In fact any generalization about women are met with wild hoots of misogyny. Whenever you force truth on people they get angry.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Science has proven that rain is indeed wet.

[–]iamz3ro5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nobody considers the possibility that she is unattractive.

Don't ever forget that attraction is more than just looks. It's the whole package. The way she handles herself, the way she approaches everyday things like house/work, the way she supports her husband in both good and bad situations, etc. She may be a 9/10 looks wise, but could be disgusting in all other parts of the relationship.

[–]T00000093 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wifely duties = Get off me you creepy perverted disgusting sicko!!

Husband duties = hold my purse while this ex convict knocks me up you pathetic loser!!

Hope that clears up your confusion about traditional roles in matrimony

[–]1naMlliPdeR6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Someone should post there "my wife is on antidepressants and refuses to have sex with me. She shames me for wanting to have sex with her while she's on medication and calls me a pig" and see how they respond (would be identical to the second one, just reversed).

EDIT: I'll do it xD

[–]WatermelonWarlord3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You realize in the first story the husband holds down the wife and fucks her, despite her saying no and crying, right? These stories are completely non-comparable.

[–]trp-lurker0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll upvote this. If you actually read the two posts it's not as bad as OP is making it look.

[–]SunshineBlotters1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If anyone ever gets married after reading the garbage in that second thread, you deserve any divorce rape that comes your way. Marriage is fucking disgusting. I think about marriage and I cringe.

[–]GooRanger31 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

seems like a clear case of marital rape

You are a fucking brainless idiot.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dafuq? twoX even has a "support" flair where you're only allowed to blow smoke up OP's ass? "Trigger" I can see given their logic, but that's beyond ridiculous even for them.

[–]The__Tren__Train[🍰] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

wait..

does this surprise you?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I wonder why anyone bothers to read that shit-show. Or AskBetasOver30 or RelationshipsForHamsters. Waste of time.

[–]1InscrutablePUA[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I like to spike my blood pressure a few times before hitting the gym

[–]VersesOfTime0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Maried people should want to have sex with each other" is the common theme. Forcing sex and avoiding sex are bad (unless both parties are satisfied with this solution).

[–]LarryLove0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I considered that the wife from the second story might be unattractive.

[–]Pastelitomaracucho0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I do give you that in these cases yeah "the man's fault" utter bullshit.

But sex as a duty? What are you? a Saudi?

[–]LukesLikeIt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I genuinely wonder if there would be more or less rape if women were the physically dominant sex.

[–]verdantsound-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If she is to be believed, seems like a clear case of marital rape though it's not clear what the cultural context is.

I don't care WHAT the cultural context is; if someone forces another person to have sex, then that is rape. Even you must understand this. I am very disappointed by the quality of this post.

[–]socialinjusticewar-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Somebody should call them out on it.

Just to see how fast you can get banned.

I would, but I called them out on hypocrisy once in the past.

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