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Old School Squat Program for Strength, Size, and Confidence

March 29, 2018
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This is a slightly revised version of a post I made on another sub which I think will be useful for you guys. In this post, I’m going to share a workout program I’ve done lately with huge success. It’s a variant of the 20 rep squat programs that you can find online. Google “20 rep squat program” and you can find plenty of articles talking about the principles of the program. I didn't create this program but merely tweaked stuff that's been around for decades based on my needs.

 

This is not a program for someone brand new to weights. Don’t do this until you’ve been lifting at least a year or so. Also, for the love of all that’s holy, learn how to squat properly to full depth before doing this program. I’m a fan of EliteFTS’s “So You Think You Can Squat” videos on YT but there are plenty others as well. Just remember… if you don’t meet / break parallel, you are a vagina.

 

Before I get into the details though, I want to talk about why I think this is important. First, men need real struggle in their lives and squats are struggle. I'm convinced that a large % of the problems men face today are because we don't face traditional struggles like hunting our own food. That's a post of its own though. Second, if you are going to lift, don’t waste your time in the gym (only smith machines, biceps only workouts, no programming or planning, etc.). Third, this program just fucking works in terms of strength, strength endurance, hypertrophy, hormonal changes, and confidence.

 

Program Overview
So here is what I did. I do 5/3/1 (Jim Wendler's plan... which if you don't know what that is, look it up) 3x per week with a workout that looks something like this:

 

Workout A
Back Squat 5/3/1
Bench 5/3/1
2-3 assistance exercises
Finishers (1 set of 20 rep squats)

 

Workout B
Deadlifts 5/3/1
2-3 assistance exercises
Core work
Finishers (1 set of 20 rep squats)

 

Workout C
Overhead Press 5/3/1
2-3 assistance exercises
Core work
Finishers (1 set of 20 rep squats)

 

For the Finishers, I started with a weight that was ~55% of my then 1RM (410) so 205lbs. I then planned to do this program for 6 weeks and do the Finishers at the end of every workout (but before cool down / stretching / whatever). The key is that you add 5lb every workout to your Finisher weight. So 205 the first workout, 210 the second, etc. If you do 18 workouts over 6 weeks, you will have added 90lbs. I jumped weights a couple of times until I finished with 315lbs on my last set of 20. That means I started this cycle with a Finisher set of 205lbs for 20 reps and finished the program (took about 6.5 weeks) with 315lbs.

 

Good assistance exercises to include are stuff like front squats, dead hang pullups, weighted dips, Kroc rows, DB press (bench or overhead), face pulls, leg curls, hypers if you have the machine, lat & bicep stuff, etc. Don’t be johnny douchebag and just focus on iso arm stuff.

 

The Finisher aka The Actual Set of 20
Let’s talk now about the actual set of 20. It sucks. It sucks a lot. If you have a training partner, have them stand close to you and hold up fingers (that you can see in the mirror) to help count off because as that weight gets heavier, you will lose count in the teens. As you go, focus on breathing and bracing. If you don't know what bracing is, learn what it is before doing this workout.

 

Don’t rush. These are not continuous down & up squats like a set of 4-6 might be. It's perfectly fine to take a few breaths in between the reps to keep form and focus dialed in. I also found a good set of headphones with a rage song dialed all the way up works wonders. Just keep grinding and breathing and you’ll be done soon-ish.

 

Recovery
As far as recovery, this program sucks at first but isn’t bad after the first week or so. That make sound paradoxical but you get so much blood flow through your body and legs during and after this that as long as you have good nutrients in you, you shouldn’t get very sore. I had some DOMS the first week but none after that. I do recommend incorporating daily stretching / foam rolling though just as a matter of course. If you aren't already doing that anyway, fuck you and enjoy getting injured.

 

Other Tips
You have got to eat a lot on this program. This is not a workout to do while cutting. This is not a workout to do while cutting. Do this on a clean bulk with a focus on getting as much protein as possible. Old school guys used GOMAD with this (gallon of milk a day) and that’s not a bad idea if you aren’t lactose intolerant. So eat and then eat more.

 

You also need a lot of sleep. Aim for at least 8+ hours of QUALITY sleep each night and turn your fucking phone off (screen dark) at least 90 minutes before bed. You should be doing this anyway. This isn't rocket science.

 

Repeating the Program
As discussed above, you should only do this for 6ish weeks. After the 6 weeks, drop the 20s and go back to normal volumes, etc. for at least 6 weeks before you do this again. This gives your legs time to recover and not adapt too much to the higher volume (which enables you to shock your system when you do it again).

 

My Results
On this program, you can expect to get much, much stronger in all your lifts. I saw my 1RM squat jump from 410 to 475. My deadlift went up a similar %. My bench and OHP didn’t jump as high but definitely saw a good 10% jump or so over the 6 weeks.

 

I felt better in general. I got to where I started to really look forward to the Finisher set especially when it was a benchmark of some kind like 275lbs. Sure there were days I didn’t want to do it but I did and I strongly believe that type of commitment carries over to everything in your life.

 

My quads ballooned in size. I had some jeans that became useless to me because the quad area is uncomfortably tight.

 

My BF% tests showed I added weight but dropped my BF% by roughly 2.5%. Considering I was bulking and not counting calories, I’ll take it.

 

Finally, I just felt better. There was something very primal about these squats and going into beast mode to get them done. This will have positive effects on your hormones and your confidence levels if you do it right. That will lead to better smashing in all areas of life including with the chicks.

 

If you have any questions, let me know. Just trying to share what worked for me.

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Title Old School Squat Program for Strength, Size, and Confidence
Author CaptJohnLukeDiscard
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Date March 29, 2018 7:30 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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[–]Scandinavianredpill 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

5/3/1 works well, depends on how you implement it. Sound and fun programming. if you want some big guns as well throw in some biceps and triceps work in the end as well as facepulls for shoulder stability. But the meat of the program is compounds as with any good program for natural body builders or weightlifters

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

This jump in numbers definitely makes sense if you can already rep 315x 10-14 times. Kickass gains, but for all you folks that don’t workout a lot, learn the proper technique like OP said! Ask someone in the gym if you don’t know. It makes all the difference in the world. I might add something like this to my splits.

[–]CaptJohnLukeDiscard[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

My 20RM was probably 260ish to start so I think guys who have lower maxes to start would be fine. Just start w a number that is 50%ish of your full depth 1RM.

And find a way to film yourself. It’s hard for newbies to see if they are letting the knees track forward, if they have butt wink, if they engage hips at the wrong time, etc. Film don’t lie plus you can post to several lifting subs for feedback.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So you’re saying your 20RM went up 55 pounds in 6 weeks? And you lost body fat? I’m calling bullshit on this one.

[–]ATPsynthase12 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If you’re experienced and have a couple years of training under your belt and want to grow your lower body try Smolov Squat for a few months.

It will wreck your legs but you’ll see crazy strength gains

[–]infamous3238 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like a good program.

I'm 5'10'' (180 cm) and went from 150 lbs to 175 lbs in my first year of lifting from following a simple 5x5 program that utilized the compound lifts. In my opinion, the program doesn't really matter. What matters is EATING right (in my case 3k calories/day) and CONSISTENTLY going to the gym (never skipping a lift). That's all there really is to it.

[–]fakamo 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. At this point I’m starting to believe anyone who says 5x5 is for beginners is just trying to sell some other program

[–]TheseNthose 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yep. Fucked up joints and tendons. aches and things creeking in 3-5 years.

All that matters is full range of motion and working the muscles to failure.

[–]TomasoJew 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Looks like a great strength program to me, which are rarely used these days because of the whole fitness industry/social media being filled with manipulative steroid users. Got some nice logical tips and tricks to actually get the best out of it. Simple and straight to the point, nice!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I'm not gonna argue with "squat more" to feel like a boss, but what's the science behind finishing with a 20?

[–]CaptJohnLukeDiscard[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly I don’t understand the science on a molecular level. My guess is the flood of nutrients via blood pump, significant tearing of micro fibers in the muscle, and high levels of protein intake all combine to have a strong effect. Plus I’m guessing that the stress- and it is a significant stress- on your CNS generates a strong hormonal adaptation need.

[–]1TheProphetPhysiquiel 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Not a scientist, but I assume it's for hypertrophy. When your muscles are already fatigued, and then you bump out another set of 20, you have to recruit more muscle fibers to complete them. I always finish my biceps with a really light set of 20, for this exact reason.

[–]mala_madre 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

There is none. If you want hypertrophy do a lot of volume and stay in 6-15 rep range, most lf the time 8-12.

With 20 reps most of it will go to endurance and maybe some of the last 5ish reps will help you gain. But its only one set....

Read up on the science for hypertrophy. A great dude to listen to is Mike Israetel, hes on youtube, podcasts, has books and his own business. Really great information on hypertrophy trainig

[–]Westernhagen 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you want hypertrophy do a lot of volume and stay in 6-15 rep range, most lf the time 8-12.

That would argue for two sets of 10, not one set of 20.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is my exact routine lol

[–]jbnw17 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

What did your typical food intake look like when doing this?

[–]CaptJohnLukeDiscard[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I ate a shit ton of chicken. I grew feathers in places man. I aimed for 1.2g protein per lb of BW (not just lean muscle mass) and was careful to get carbs from good sources like butternut squash, sweet potatoes, etc.

Other than that, I didn’t pay too much attention to exact calorie counts. Like i said, it was a clean bulk for me and I paid more attention to making sure my waist line didn’t expand.

[–]ShittyDirtySanchez 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Did you do any kind of cardio? I like hiking.

[–]CaptJohnLukeDiscard[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I pushed a prowler a couple times per week. Nothing else though.

[–]Giddleor 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I've read on this before, and if I'm not mistaken, it has high effects on T levels, which is the gateway to gains. I'm interested in trying this when I bulk later on after my cut. Did you cycle your workouts every other day, as in workout A Monday, B on Wednesday, CA on Friday and restart or what? As of now I just do upper and lower three times a week cycling compounds.

[–]CaptJohnLukeDiscard[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You can do that. Some weeks I worked out 3x and sometimes 5x. I only did Finishers a total of three times per week though. More than that and you aren’t giving yourself time to recover unless you are on gear.

[–]Giddleor 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks, really considering this when I bulk again

[–]mala_madre 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No nigga. It dont have high effect on your testosterone. And even if it did you want change it to a significant level with some basic trick, for that you need to take drugs

[–]Noble_Sovereignty 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wendler is the fucking man.

[–][deleted]  (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]CaptJohnLukeDiscard[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I can find the exact numbers but my weight went up a few lbs but according to the hydrostatic testing machine I have access to, I went down 2.5%. I’m still just over 15% BF and am only a year back into weightlifting after taking my 20s off. So some of this won’t be duplicated exactly by a guy running around all year at 8-9% and who has been consistent on lifting for 3+ years. I still think though that incorporating finishers could give him a nice shock to his routine.

[–]SwoleyMoleyFrijoley 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You could do nothing but warm up and 1 set of 20 rep squat 3x a week and have a good physique in a total of 30 minutes/week

[–]mala_madre -1 points0 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

No its not suitable for hypertrophy, at least not maximizing it.

You want to have a frequency of hitting every muscle group 2-3 times per week when training.

Also its not that much volume and volume is the key driver for hypertrophy.

I dont even think its a good program for improving squats. Too little sets and only once a week + 3 sets extra...

[–]CaptJohnLukeDiscard[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This isn’t a hypertrophy program. This is a strength program that blew up my quads specifically and also put nice #s on my PRs.

[–]SwoleyMoleyFrijoley 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You've obviously never tried the program.

[–]LeftHookTKD -3 points-2 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

You dont need tons of volume unless youre on gear. A guy with tons of volume but benching 135 isnt goin to have a big chest no matter what. The guy benching 315 will.

[–]mala_madre 0 points1 point  (21 children) | Copy Link

3 sets per week isnt going to make anyone grow. Show me someone respected saying that benching 1 time per week and only 3 sets is optimal for hypertrophy. Thats ridicoulus.

[–]LeftHookTKD 0 points1 point  (20 children) | Copy Link

Kinobody recommends it when cutting. He's one of the few nattys in this fitness business.

Strength > anything for a natty lifter. It's funny seeing guys lift for many years and not make much gains. Then when you ask them what they're lifting and it's still bitch weight.

Stop following programs made by guys on drugs.

[–]mala_madre 0 points1 point  (19 children) | Copy Link

Haha Kinobody is the stupid lifter in the fitness industry as well. He just coped all of Martin Berkhan, leangains. He was actually a client to Martin.

Then he copies his intermittent fasting, training 3 times per week. But what he didnt copy was the hard work and squats and deadlifts. Instead Kinoby says its fine to do pussy exercises in the gym.

If you want to follow any of them go for Martin Berhan at leangains.com. He is kinda good but obviously has as little volume as Kinoby (since kinoby stole the concept), but he's starting to correct it on patreon I heard.

Anyway, you need volume for hypertrophy, read a bit of Mike Israetels stuff, google volume landmarks and Israetel and you'll find it. That dude has done a phd in sports science and know a lot more than Kinoby that probably didnt even pass elementary.

[–]LeftHookTKD 0 points1 point  (18 children) | Copy Link

Haha Kinobody is the stupid lifter in the fitness industry as well. He just coped all of Martin Berkhan, leangains. He was actually a client to Martin.

Love when people claim someone copied someone else in the fitness industry. No one has invented anything in terms of lifting in this day and age. All of this info has been around for ages. No one in the fitness industry is original. It's stupid to expect them to be.

Then he copies his intermittent fasting, training 3 times per week. But what he didnt copy was the hard work and squats and deadlifts.

All of these things are not new ideas and have been around for ages...

You don't need heavy squats or deads if your goal is to look good and that's it.

Anyway, you need volume for hypertrophy, read a bit of Mike Israetels stuff, google volume landmarks and Israetel and you'll find it

It's not needed. Do you really think the guy with a 135 bench but 4x more chest volume is going to have anywhere near a decent chest? Strength is number 1 thing that matters.

And why would I follow steroid users? I'm going to follow the guys who are natty. No some idiot who takes roids.

[–]mala_madre 0 points1 point  (15 children) | Copy Link

I mean just check out Berkhan's stuff and then check out Kinobody. IT'S THE FUCKING SAME.

Also you have this video of Kinoby explaining how he took everything from Leangains. The things he disagree with is:

  • Leangains uses heavy compound movements, Kinoby does pussy isolation exercises.
  • Leangains have a real intermittent fasting of 16h fasting and 8h of eating. Kinoby says it's ok however you want, and just wait a bit with your breakfast.
  • Leangains says to cycle calories, eat a bit more on workout days and substaintially less on rest days. Kinoby says eat little all days.
  • Leangains says eat enough protein. Kinoby says don't eat too much protein, hamburgers are ok.

Kinobody just took Leangains, took out all the hard stuff and made an OK approach. However it's not as good as Leangains. It's far more easier way, but he still have most things settled, heavy workouts, caloric deficit and progressive overload. You cannot go wrong with those principles. But it's a lot of pseudo science bro stuff and it's not as good, however it's ok.

Martin doesn't take steriods.

Some do in Renaissance Periodization, Mike I think do, but others don't and their advice are for naturals. I really recommend Renaissance Periodization, it has a sound science base that you won't find in certainly not Kinobody's stuff, Berkhan you will find most science based, but he has his flaws with too little volume.

About volume vs strength, check out this video with Eric Helms, low vs high reps. It will explain it for you.

[–]LeftHookTKD 0 points1 point  (14 children) | Copy Link

Leangains uses heavy compound movements, Kinoby does pussy isolation exercises.

Wrong

Leangains have a real intermittent fasting of 16h fasting and 8h of eating. Kinoby says it's ok however you want, and just wait a bit with your breakfast. Leangains says to cycle calories, eat a bit more on workout days and substaintially less on rest days. Kinoby says eat little all days. Leangains says eat enough protein. Kinoby says don't eat too much protein, hamburgers are ok.

So you fucking admit they're different? lmao k

Martin doesn't take steriods.

Just lol

AlphaDestiny, Kinobody, etc and every other natty person in the fitness business will recommend getting stronger > anything. But yeah the steroid users know best.

[–]mala_madre 0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy Link

Look the video I've sent you from Kinobody saying how you shouldn't do deadlifts or squats. Instead do some pussy ass bulgarian split squats.

They're different since Kinobody took Berkhans approach and made it stupid.

Eric Helms isn't on steriods. But anyway, try it out and see for yourself, or don't and don't grow as much as you could.

[–]LeftHookTKD 0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy Link

I was talking about Mike Israetels being on gear which you referenced.

Look the video I've sent you from Kinobody saying how you shouldn't do deadlifts or squats. Instead do some pussy ass bulgarian split squats.

Why does not doing squats matter? Who cares? Legs aren't his priority. In what world are bulgarian split squats for pussies? Machines are for pussies.

They're different since Kinobody took Berkhans approach and made it stupid.

I really don't care about who copied who.

Kinobody has built a better body naturally than 98% of the guys in the world who are natural. Why wouldn't I follow his programming advice? I'm not talking about the nutrition or legs. I'm talking about in general how he trains. His program for people cutting focuses on strength instead of volume.

The number one key for muscle growth is progressive overload. Not volume. The only way this wouldn't be true is if you're taking a shit ton of steroids and you can grow on a pump. Naturals can't do that shit. You need to actually lift heavy weight.

No one is going to get big by lifting bitch weight no matter how much volume they do.

[–]mala_madre 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Hm read your comment again. First I agree that everyone takes from everyone in the fitness industry. But Kinobody took a lot from Leangains and simplified it and stupidfied it. So I think it's better to go to the real source than follow Kinobody.

Sure, no one says deadlifts or squats are neccessary. But they are great exercises and if you can do them you should. They activate and build a lot of muscles in short time. But sure if you want to change deadlifts for like 3 other exercises, do so, but it will take you more time in the gym. Also using these exercises teach you to work hard. It's not the same to do some pussy ass leg kicks as do a squat, it requires focus, determination and willpower to squat and deadlift.

About strength vs volume you are wrong and I sent you a video explaining why.

[–]LeftHookTKD -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

About strength vs volume you are wrong and I sent you a video explaining why.

So you think a guy with a 135 bench with high volume will get a big chest? This is why you shouldn't follow idiots on drugs.

[–]DrawDis -1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

you squatted 315 lbs for 20 reps? Yeah, that didn't happen.

[–]CaptJohnLukeDiscard[S] -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I don’t have 315x20 on video but here’s 345x17 on video so you can go fuck yourself.

https://youtu.be/xp5_rm2lWUg

[–]DrawDis -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

C'mon man ... you can't see shit from the side like that. 345 for 17 reps works out to like a ~625 max. You said your max was around 410 lbs when you started. Your body fat also dropped and you added almost 15% to your max ... haha you you're full of shit.

[–]CaptJohnLukeDiscard[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Are you slow? You can see how many plates it is by the reflections on the interior holes, especially around the 57 second mark. The side angle is done to check depth... which you would know if you knew anything about squatting.

And if you knew anything about strength formulas, you would know they are garbage on anything over 8-10 reps. Strength doesn’t scale linearly like that. Besides, my 1RM at the time wasn’t 410... it was closer to 475. That’s not exactly impressive. There are hundreds of guys in this sub alone who are stronger than that.

Don’t argue about shit you don’t understand.

[–]DrawDis -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You can't see shit in that video. Stop lying to yourself, you know you had 2 wheels on each side. You're not squatting that high of volume at nearly 75% of your 1rm.

Shit I don't understand? My 1rm's are significantly higher than yours.

Edit: that a valeo belt?

[–]CaptJohnLukeDiscard[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You can clearly see 3 plates at the start of the video and the end. You can also see it’s 3 plates at 54 seconds by looking at the light reflections on the upper right interior side.

As for your 1RM, they very well could be higher. Mine aren’t great.

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