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On Madonna-Whore Complexes

June 28, 2021
140 upvotes

Intro

We are all aware of the AFBB dichotomy. Alpha fucks, beta bucks....jerk and nice guy....lover and provider and so on. It manifests socially when that girl you met in college reaches her late 20s/30 and says “she’s not like that anymore”. It manifests biologically when women are the only mammals with no visible signs of ovulation and permanently enlarged breasts hiding their fertility window allowing them to use a dualistic mating strategy. Maybe this strategy came first and evolution came to optimise it or maybe this strategy came as a result from evolution. Chicken, egg. Matters little...all that is important is that it exists.

Ok, so nothing new here.

Body

But there's a male dichotomy too. Males have a dualistic strategy that often doesn't get talked about enough. On one hand, men want to spread their seed as much as possible (men produce about 1,500 sperm a second) wanting to fuck almost any fertile girl. However, on the other hand, they know women, who are already quite incapacitated relative to him, will become even more incapacitated for 9 months when she gets pregnant, making it his interest to stay and protect the woman and child. There's little point in impregnating thousands of women if none of the offspring survive. Men need to spread the seed but also choose one woman to commit to...for her sake and the offspring. And so this creates a Madonna-Whore dichotomy. Just like how women want the alpha seed and beta bucks, men want to fuck whores and but commit to a Madonna. (A madonna being a chaste, loyal, "virgin type" girl. A "good girl" if you will).

Though societies have changed much, this programming remains with us. Men will want whores to fuck and madonnas to commit to. And though modern society helps to encourage and optimise the female dualistic strategy by promoting casual sex, hookup apps, and birth control (alpha fucks) and lop sided divorce courts (giving them beta provider's resources ), the same can not be said for the male dualistic strategy. Society does not by any means try to encourage nor optimise the male strategy. In fact, it actively tries to disincentivize it. Men who try to learn game to become players, are actively told not to learn game as its sexist, manipulative, mean or whatever new shaming tactic they conjure up with. Established players are shamed and deemed as immature who needs to commit to a real, experienced woman ,manipulative if they date younger girls, or fuck boy etc. Women get given a clearer separation between alpha fucks and beta bucks whereas men get a blurrier line between whores and madonnas. There’s even talks about a bachelor’s tax...which, again, would be another attempt to disincentivise half of the male strategy. As we can see, men aren’t getting lined up with whores and chaste madonnas to choose from. However, this doesn't stop men from pining for madonnas/the good girl/the nAWALT- the woman who is NOT like that.

This, unfortunately, leads to a lot of men projecting their girl to be madonnas/the good girl more often than the actual supply of such.

Chasing/projecting for madonnas is inherently part of the beta bucks strategy. It’s a tactic of the providers. Think about it. Once you start pining for a "good girl", it signals a few things to the girl:

  1. It encourages her to be sexually uptight and to withhold sex from you. Because that's what she needs for your approval. Your approval of her comes from receiving a "good girl" persona from her, so guess what she will give you.

  2. That you are more a beta/provider. The alpha/lover doesn't pine for madonnas or good girls, he does the opposite. He not only wants and likes whores, but he openly encourages them to slut it up as that plays straight into his strategy of being able to able to spread his seed as far as possible. He gives women approval by being sluts allowing him to maximise his strategy. The madonna part of the male dichotomy is inherently the beta/provider of the female dichotomy. Thus, seeking madonnas/good girls/the nAWALT is inherently a beta behaviour.

Think about the chads you look up to in real life. Maybe it's someone from high school, college, or maybe its some famous rapper or athlete. Regardless, one thing you will notice is how you rarely hear of him slut shaming, or pondering about a girl's n count. With all the girl he has ever banged, did he ever care about their n count? Did he wonder if this girl was a virgin or how many guys she'd already been with? Nope. He just did his thing and that was it. He literally couldn't care less.

Even with LTRs, Chad doesn't care too much about this. He hops in LTRs with a cool girl he gets along with. Sometimes its some accountant from Deloitte. Other times it some ex-sorority girl from tinder. Same thing with all these celebrities. Did they go out to some remote village to specifically find some 17-year old virgin? Or did they LTR semi-famous women who already were mingling in their and similar elite social circles?

The point is girls have sex. It's there for the taking. Chasing a maddona/nAWALT or taking a puritan stance doesn't really help you. When you slut shame, you don't stop women from being slutty, you just stop women from being slutty...WITH YOU. Alphas do the complete opposite. They not only want and like sluts, they promote and encourage it as that's exactly what plays into their hand.

Every woman has the potential to be a whore...even your mother. Don't believe me? Ask your dad. Or did you think you just popped into this world through magic?

Conclusion

Now, I know what some of you are thinking. "Does this mean I have to commit to a whore?" No. As a man, your best cards are your time, commitment and resources. You don't give them away freely.

The point is you need to get over this madonna-whore dichotomy. There are far fewer madonnas than you think there are. As soon as you start thinking anything along the lines of: “she might be a good girl/Madonna” or “she’s not like other girls, she’s different”.

Stop.

Recognise this for the innate caveman programming it is and ignore it. There are fewer madonnas than you think. You lose playing with this question as this is part of the beta provider strategy.

This means, to maximise the alpha strategy, you must be slut positive. You must be sex positive. Because that is plays into the alpha strategy. Feign it if you must. To gain your approval, girls must embrace and show off how they slutty they are/can be.

Remember: It’s 100 times better when a girl tries to exaggerate her experience and finding out later she lied than her reducing her experience and finding out later she lied.

The question shouldn’t be is she a Madonna, but instead how much of a whore is she and will she be one for you?

Here's a good quote by Archwinger (if there is one thing you get from this post, it should be to read his stuff) to remember when you catch yourself thinking, "is she a good girl? Is she my madonna?"

"So for every woman you meet, you need to do two things. First, assume she’s a slut. Anything she says or does that seems non-slutty is probably an act, because women hide their slut-pasts. If she’s actually a non-slut, great, but the burden is on her to prove she’s an exceptional woman, not on you to assume she’s great until she slips up and gets caught in a lie. Second, pretend to be sex-positive. Act like you think sluts are cool and fun and funny and smart and that their stories, especially the sexual ones, are oh so interesting. Be open and non-judgmental on the outside, while secretly laughing at them on the inside. Make them feel comfortable as they fuck you while you seemingly don’t judge them for their past and silently place them in the fuck-only box."

"The burden is on a woman to prove to you she’s more than just a fuck object. Not on you to seek out her favorable traits or to assume she’s awesome until she gets caught". - u/Archwinger

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Title On Madonna-Whore Complexes
Author Protocol_Apollo
Upvotes 140
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Date June 28, 2021 6:09 PM UTC (6 months ago)
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