On Mental ‘Disorders’

DullIntroduction · 2018-05-27T20:36:18+00:00

Most people mistake depression and being sad. The latter does only require a good kick in the ass, the former can require treatment (not necessarily medication). I agree that doctors tend to give too easily antidepressants to sad people, and this has become a bullshit default option for people in a victim mindset who rationalize their failures.

Codependency isn't a disorder, and honestly you do not seem to know what bipolar disorder is.

New_Guard · 2018-05-28T01:44:56+00:00

Lumping bipolar in with codependency, depression, and anxiety is ignorant. The manifestation of the latter three can often be affected by behavioral and thought patterns. Go ahead and lift and meditate and practice positive thinking to try to stop or reduce them - therapy tries to do much of the same. If they're mild, your self-help approach may work. But bipolar is a whole different beast. Going without drug treatments for it dramatically increases the chances of all kinds of bad things including suicide.

Source: raised by a psychologist, am a medical scientist myself, dated girls with all the above mental illnesses.

StonecrusherCarnifex · 2018-05-28T17:54:04+00:00

Magical thinking. Good luck trying to solve schizophrenia with lifting and meditation. Or ADHD. There are plenty of conditions which result from a structural flaw in the brain. In the case of ADHD it's a problem with nor epinephrine reuptake. Traditional medications such as Ritalin or adderall address it by stimulating the brain to produce more norepinephrine. Strattera addresses it by preventing the brain from absorbing the norepinephrine already floating around too quickly.

You can definitely become depressed because you aren't meeting your own standards. But there is also depression that results from a chemical imbalance in the brain. Only one of these is treatable by changing frame or life circumstances.

Trying_again23 · 2018-05-28T17:05:33+00:00

My only regret is that I have but one downvote for this post. Fucking autists...

manwithoutwire · 2018-05-28T01:48:30+00:00

I have to disagree. Schizophrenic here. On the meds I'm stoic, calm as a cucumber that can talk to anyone, very smooth with anyone even the finest girls. Off them, I'm stumbling over my words, paranoid as hell, and the voices start. Now the long term effects of this medication is unknown, but they're doing the job for me in the present. I've been lifting for 12 years anyways and meditate regularly, and the medication is supplemental, not something I rely on.

TheBigForklift · 2018-05-28T01:26:10+00:00

Actually, if you have depressive or anxiety disorders, you should lift and meditate and go to therapy and medication may also help.

The disorders you described are not at all a black and white issue and “giving yourself value” isn’t as easy as you would like to make it. If you were able to cure your issues by making changes in your life without medication or therapy, awesome. But this post kind of reads as, “your legs aren’t “broken”, you just need to get off your crutches and take a run.”

Although I think you’re right that meditation and lifting/exercise are helpful for many mental disorders, it just isn’t as simple as this post seeks to make it regardless of clarifications. I’d suggest reading about the psychology behind the mental disorders you mention before posting further about this.

TrenCobra · 2018-05-28T08:38:32+00:00

A chemical imbalance within you body can cause debilitating disorders, yet a chemical imbalance in your brain can’t?

I don’t deny that a lot of disorders are brought about through rumination and obsessive negative thoughts, but show a little respect to those who suffer.

Trying_again23 · 2018-05-27T23:35:55+00:00

You're an idiot. That is all.

AlexideTocque · 2018-05-27T22:31:36+00:00

There was a Joe Rogan podcast on this topic with Johann Hari. He essentially came to the same conclusion that depression, anxiety, etc. are caused by external factors rather than anything that is biological. With that being said, I think they can be disorders without being biological.. It kind of depends on your definition, but depression is nowhere near a purely biological phenomenon.

urmuffcabagem8 · 2018-05-27T21:50:03+00:00

Lol just because you can self cure it does not mean it not a real disorder. There are always multiple solutions to the same problem.

holdenscofield · 2018-05-28T14:35:46+00:00

The problem is the disorders may be comorbid which can cause to refuse possible logical solutions (such as depression.) Its all about mindset, you re right but the point is you cannot change core values, core ideas by just saying go fcking lift bro. Unfortunately, there is no quick fix. I can recommend CBT books or Stoacism related books for fixing disorders by cheap way.

*medication is the worst solution for psychological problems.

Trying_again23 · 2018-05-28T16:47:11+00:00

Where did you get your medical degree? Judging by the level of blatant autism in the post here. Im going to guess you dont have one, do you?

blacklightsleaze · 2018-05-29T11:50:56+00:00

Some moderator needs to delete this spam crap of a post asap. Only useful thing about this post is "lift and meditate" which is obvious and already repeated million times. Also OP needs to educate himself before posting.

memer935115 · 2018-05-28T00:08:30+00:00

I have to agree.

A while ago, i had all of the signs of inattentive ADHD except a diagnosis. At the time, i only got 4-6 hours of sleep a night, jerked off multiple times a day, ate non-stop junk food, and played video games all day. I was a mental zombie.

Fast forward to after i found the red pill, and i realized i didn’t need pharmaceutical drugs for my self improvement. I started getting 8-9 hours of sleep, went on Nofap, started cutting body fat and intermittent fasting, and I hit the weight room. I can comfortably say that my mental issues have been 99% conquered and that today i am a new person.

Good post, i can relate to this immensely. Anyone with common mental disorders like ADHD, depression, or anxiety should seek the cure within themselves before seeking it in a prescription bottle.

ChangeMyStatus · 2018-05-28T06:15:58+00:00

I'd like to add another economic standpoint.

Do you think these doctors truly believe that medication will solve people with depression? No! Doctors know too, that mental disorders are curable without medication. But why do they go so aggressive as to suggest otherwise? Because money!

It's much easier to give people the lazy path of taking a medication to cure, instead of telling them that they must take control of their life which requires work. Who knows all they are selling are just overpriced painkillers? Heck, if I am a doctor (thankfully I am not), I truly understand that if there is ever a pill as a solution to mental illness, the patients I prescribe it will be ungrateful thanks to the fact that the pill has cured all their problems, and this will only accelerate the cycle of mental illness. So, being the doctor who's motivated to take care of myself first, I'll continuously prescribe the pill that will make my patients come back again, again, and again. Why cure it when you can bill the patient every step of the way?

For a lot of people, they cannot bear to see life after overcoming withdrawal pain, so taking an easy way of doing things is the way to go (like a pill will solve all your problems, liking on facebook actually helps someone). Believe it or not, it is always more difficult to say "it's my fault that I let my parents abuse me; it's my fault that I react to others without being able to voice my own opinion" etc. What differentiates us with animals is the ability to take the path of greater resistance on purpose knowing that the goal of doing so cures our mental illness is guaranteed.

PabloAsscrowbar · 2018-05-28T09:44:18+00:00

There are some mental disorders that are genuine. Examples are schizophrenia, bipolar and depression.

Then there are mental 'disorders' like borderline personality disorder, narcissistic personality disorder, etc. These are nothing more than insecure people justifying their insecure behavior with a disorder to hamster away the fact that it is all down to their shitty behaviors.

randomperson123321 · 2018-05-29T01:31:29+00:00

Yep, definitely not disorders. A few years back, the (now dead) 65 years old mistress of my (now late) 70 years old uncle was happy she won him from my aunt after about 40 years of courting. She was always saying that he was hers and would often stalk, harass and psychologically abuse him and his family... for 40 years or so... while avoiding all consequences due to her connections.

It's not that she was a machiavellian narcissistic psychopath. She was fine. These are not real disorders...

circlingldn · 2018-05-29T20:56:37+00:00

Stupidest shit i have ever heard in my life...go see someone with paranoid schizophrenia and see if your bullshit cures them

Just because your stupid enough to take ssri sugar pills...doesnt make you a psychiatrist

Lift lift lift is all the motherfuckin bullshit i see on here...do me a favour...go lool at facebook and see how many guys that dont lift are with cute or hot girls

TitanUcheze · 2018-05-27T20:31:28+00:00

I agree that mental disorders are, for the most part (I’m hesitant to say entirely), rubbish. More and more it’s just an excuse for weakness and attention. I think the reason you’re getting downvoted is that it hits close to home for some people, and a lot of people have been raised to view “depression” as just as crippling as a lost limb. Welcome to 2018.

lejarton · 2018-05-27T20:35:32+00:00

I completely agree on that, I'm also a living proof of what you say. Have been under antidepressants for years, but when I realised it was fucking my brain chemistry, I stopped very gradually and set the right mindset. The brain can be rewired to a certain extent and by rewiring the way I was thinking and approaching problems, I ended to be able to be back to normal, and tended to be in a "not give a shit mindset" (This takes time but it works)

I'm not saying that you have to avoid to see a specialist, or avoid medication if you have a real psychiatric disorded or in a very critical state. But for other reasons it is possible to do without it.

So, in critical situation, medication, why not, but don't rely on it. The real solution is assessing the situation, the causes, find the most appropriate solution to overcome this, then rewiring the way you process, believing and sticking to it, and achieving. I know it will sound crazy or bullshit for someone deeply depressed, as you can't see a good outcome while in this state, but guys, I assure you this is possible.

Body and mind work in conjunction, it is not separable. Work and train both and you'll be stronger than ever.

As Nietzsche said "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger"

So yeah, lift and meditate is a powerfull combination

Cool post mate.

pair55 · 2018-05-27T21:40:45+00:00

 As a clinical social phobic, I used to take medicines.It just made me feel happy and relaxed.But when they lose their effect on me I started freaking out.I think medicines are part of blue pill society.They are simulation.Take some pills don't do anything about your disease and intruduce yourself to society as a victim.Then start believing you can't do anything without drugs and become dependent. I don't use any medicine now.I take theraphy from a doctor every week, make homeworks like talking to people or doing things that make me feel uncomfortable, beat thoughts that make me feel unworthy.And I started feeling great now.It is harder to follow this path but the pain I feel while following this path is totally worth it.So if you have mental health issues ask your doctor to quit medicines then you should go to a therapist and start doing things to make yourself better.You can't go anywhere on life wiht taking medicines and not doing anything.So instead of relying on some chemicals turn you into a teddy bear, rely on yourself.

Title	On Mental ‘Disorders’
Author	RedPilledRoaster
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Date	May 27, 2018 8:15 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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