Summary: Cold approached a girl, who was born in a traditional country and currently has a boyfriend. She was okay with sexual groping but wouldn't kiss, probably because in her head at the time, only kissing would count as cheating. She made her thoughts explicit when she said, "What's with you and kisses? What are we, 14? People eat ass nowadays." Another red-pill for me to realize how girls often (not always, of course) think about sex, even traditional-seeming girls.


Body:

For context, I'm probably intermediate in game, and new to lifting.

I was out in the evening and walked up beside this girl, and told her she looked nice and that I wanted to meet her. She responded well, we talked for a bit, then I said "do you wanna sit down" and she told me she had a boyfriend but that she could talk with me anyway. In my head I thought, fuck it, let's see what happens. So I sat down with her anyway.

It was clear from the way she was looking at me that she was attracted to me. I put on my narcissistic vibe and led the free-flow conversation, while she put her leg next to mine and let our legs touch / rub a little. At some point I said "I'm cold" and put my arm around her, even though it wasn't cold out and I literally had a sweater in my lap. She called me out on the sweater, and I said "well that would be too warm, I need a middle eastern girl like you to keep me at the right temperature". Obviously complete bullshit, but as they say, attraction isn't a choice and she passively enjoyed having my arm around her waist. I then tried to kiss her and she didn't reciprocate, but then she continued talking anyway and even invited me to hang out with her and her friends.

Then we went for a walk for a while. At some point while shooting the shit, I decided to experiment, and I asked her what she would do if she had a really sexist boyfriend who threw chains on her and beat her if she didn't cook him food well. "Like, just hypothetically, what would you do?" Her response: "That would be hot actually. Like not if he was serious, but if it was BDSM or something, that'd be hot." So I grabbed her hair at the back of her head, looked intensely into her eyes, and role-played being the boyfriend demanding her to "make me some fucking lasagna". She got turned on from that ("yeah that was hot", she said).

We walked further and I ended up pinning her against walls and groping her while calling her names like slut/whore/worthless, with us both either laughing or actively being turned on. Sometimes she'd walk away, but then she'd walk back to me when I told her to. But the whole time, she wouldn't kiss me, even as my hands were on her tits. I kept trying to kiss her and but she wouldn't let our lips touch. I'll add that I was very aware of her body language the whole time, and never let it slip into sketchy territory where I was doing something that she legitimately didn't want me to do.

Anyway, as I wrote above in the summary, at some point as we walked back and I tried to kiss her again, she said something like, "Kissing, really? What are we, 14? People eat ass nowadays." Soon after that we split ways, her going to meet friends and me giving up on the interaction.


Conclusion:

  • Girls can indeed not feel bad about cheating, especially if you're the one making the moves because then she feels like it's not on her. Not that she'd probably ever tell her boyfriend about our interaction anyway.
  • Most girls like it rough. I searched for a limit of abusive/dominant behaviour that wouldn't turn her on, and didn't find one
  • I've heard PUAs talk before about girls with boyfriends who will have sex but not kiss. This was my first experience with that.
  • I feel guilty about making moves on a girl who had a boyfriend, but my mind also wants to know how common it is for girls to cheat.
  • Sex is not a big deal to girls. Two years ago, I'd have thought a girl like this would only open up sexually to a guy after months of romance. But because this girl saw me in the alpha-lover role, she was comfortable letting me know that kissing would be taking it too far, while groping (or maybe even sex) was totally fine.