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Plate Spinning Alpha Male's Worst Enemy isn't Another Alpha Male

January 11, 2019
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So you are a high value alpha male who has internalized TRP-principles and you spin plates. You don't wanna get into LTR just yet. Plates keep dropping as they always do and half of the time it happens because the girl has found someone new. You may think that "Who is this guy. Where did she find a more high value guy than me? How is that possible?". Occasionally it is revealed to you who the guy is (meet him, see him commenting in FB etc.). Pretty much every time this guy is a full blown beta male.

 

So what does this mean? Plate spinning TRP Alphas worst "enemy" is actually a beta male who is happy to give his commitment to a girl right away - Not another (trp) alpha male. When you spin plates there is a point where the girls desire for commitment overcomes the tingles she gets with you. When you are experienced with spinning plates and know your shit, this is one of the most likely reasons why she nexts you (in addition to frustration because you don't commit). Additionally, the older the woman is, the faster it happens and the stronger the desire for commitment is.

 

The positive thing is that she left you because of frustration and desire for commitment (which you didn't offer). This means that you can easily add her back to your roster later if you want if you kept your frame and let her drop (and I emphasize - you don't wanna resurrect a plate who dropped or got dropped because of mental issues/bad behaviour etc.). After couple of years of spinning plates, you don't have to do cold approach so much anymore because you can keep resurrecting old plates when you need to fill your roster (use the excel guys, after 1-2 years you can't remember everyone if you are successful). This is when spinning the plates starts to shift to real easy mode.

 

Disclaimer: Because you are TRP alpha male you shouldn't care or even think about who is this new dude she left you for but I prefer keeping these posts how the things and people work in reality - especially if you are still on the path becoming TRP Alpha. Indifference towards a dropping plate would be ideal ofc and something you would want to internalize. Personally, understanding this dynamic has helped me with getting more confident (because the reason girl left wasn't that I'm not high value enough)

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Title Plate Spinning Alpha Male's Worst Enemy isn't Another Alpha Male
Author Zech4riah
Upvotes 136
Comments 124
Date January 11, 2019 10:20 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillcad90 points91 points  (28 children) | Copy Link

This smacks of a hypothesis not experience.

Yes plates drop. Deal with it.

Sometimes they drop for a beta faggot but if that's the case the woman is past her prime 99% of the time so no loss. And....every last one of these women will be dtf later if you hold frame and let her drop with no cares and feels.

They can marry and have kids and still will fuck the one who got away in the backseat of his car

[–]markinsinz728 points29 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I've seen tons if betas with cute girls man. Redpillers world is very small and many of the top 20% don't regularly spin plates. Point being most girls these days get the commitment they want quite easy.

[–]Mangasbzo79 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This is because lots of women have beta bfs whilst secretly also having fun with an alpha behind his back.

One of girls I am seeing is doing exactly this. Girls know they wont get commitment from alpha, so they do both + just hide it.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillcad3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Very true. If one was never the AF side of equation, then would never know

[–]BitsAndBobs3043 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

they also (those cute enough for long enough to be able to afford it) keep upgrading their bf until they get the flavor of bf provider they want (e.g. doctor, musician, freelancer from home, soldier, one that wants kids, one that will take on her kids from previous bfs, whatever)

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillcad0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Redpillers are a small part of the world. You don't know many in real life so have no idea what you are talking about

[–]Rollo_Mayhem32 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not about redpill' its about dudes that never needed trp' and yes they exist...

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This smacks of a hypothesis not experience.

Yes plates drop. Deal with it.

...every last one of these women will be dtf later if you hold frame and let her drop with no cares and feels.

Indeed.

A woman's desire is a pendulum, forever swinging between provisioning and tingles. Any man of sufficient competence can provide provisioning, but only strong men can generate tingles.

A man's greatest enemy is not another alpha-behaving man, or another provisioning beta.

A man's greatest enem my is his own complacency.

When you become complacent, you stop seeking ways to improve and grow stronger. You stagnate. This is what robs you of your ability to generate effortless tingles.

Never surrender to laziness. Always pursue challenges to keep you strong.

[–]Psychological_Radish7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sometimes they drop for a beta faggot but if that's the case the woman is past her prime 99% of the time so no loss.

I've met plenty of girls who attempt to get a head start on the Epiphany Phase in their early 20s, usually after a period of riding the CC or getting pumped and dumped by their dream Chad. Logically they know a Beta guy would be better long term, so they try to make it work. But being young, hot, and feelz-driven ultimately overcomes rationality and they never stay with these guys for long, or give them the level of sex and attention that Chad received.

[–]Mangasbzo710 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

100% this.

My gf of 7 years and I broke up recently as she is 30, wanted to get married, I declined, and now she needs to find her a BB.

She is seeing a couple other guys right now, but me and her are still fwb, and the guysare beta.

One time shortly before we split up, we were in bed and she basically said she had a fantasy about being married to this future husband of hers, but me and her having an affair.

All I'm saying is just stay safe out there Bros

[–]Howdoiusesync13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

boy, i have an ex that wants me to bang her on her wedding day. This stuff you can't make up.

[–]Thunderbird9310 points11 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Well said man. Thats why amused mastery is so key. I'm trading Forex and the learning curve is steep, its a lonely journey towards ubermensch status but goals over girls is the motto. Perfecting one's craft should be a man's main priority, his single minded mission above pussy

[–]rma920 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Perfect your craft. Money doesn't solve everything and cause happiness, but it can make things a heck of a lot easier. And boost confidence. The payoff is better in the end.

(Remember, if you're net worth is 0 in the US you're doing better than 85% of people)

[–]Thunderbird931 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Is that because people are in serious debt? I got $10k in student loans but fuck it,after I graduate I'll use that as an excuse for bargaining for a higher starting salary. May even exaggerate it in a Machiavellian sense with my employer

[–]friendandadvisor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I got $10k in student loans but fuck it,after I graduate I'll use that as an excuse for bargaining for a higher starting salary. May even exaggerate it in a Machiavellian sense with my employer

If you're going to exaggerate anything, exaggerate your value to the company. If you tell them of your debts, they may think that you are quite a fuck up with resources, and not hire you. Further, they will see that your mind tends to irrelevancies: "WTF should we care how much money he owes??"

[–]Skyhawk_And_Skyhead1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's pretty much a TLDR of this post

[–]Zech4riah[S] 4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yes, this is pretty much what i said.

Altho I strongle disagree with this:

Sometimes they drop for a beta faggot but if that's the case the woman is past her prime 99% of the time so no loss.

I've seen a young woman drop for a beta faggot several times and in there is a lot of experienced guys who have similar experiences. Because you are EC I assume that you are experienced as well so it's surprising to see differing opinion on this.

PS. I'm an European so girls in here are not drawn towards value as much as American girls so that may explain something.

[–]TheRedRand13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sometimes the woman simply values being able to sustain a relationship rather than short-term sex, no matter her age or SMV. Even young women can appreciate being cared for as opposed to just used for cave-man type short-term gratification.

[–]alittletoosmooth1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. Have had a few relatively young plates (23-25) which broke when they decided to LTR one of their orbiters. Most of them come back for more NSA sex after 1-2 years if you maintain frame (IDGAF).

[–]lBloodyl0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Did you unfriend them on social media when they broke?

[–]alittletoosmooth3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Never were friends on social media. They request, but I never accept. Keeps things simpler.

[–]Mangasbzo7-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"I'm European .girls here don't want high value men as much as American women do"

Lol ok whatever you say buddy

[–]Luckyluke230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

hes not the intro part down to a T now all i need is the analysis why

[–]Senior ContributorMentORPHEUS0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

And....every last one of these women will be dtf later if you hold frame and let her drop with no cares and feels.

This right here. Are you Chad, or are you not Chad? It's easy for the unplugging man to miss when it finally starts happening for you.

[–]MrCongeniality1-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This smacks of a hypothesis not experience.

Nah, this is real stuff. Women will frequently cycle back to the guys they didn't conquer.

[–]AnakinRebornRage3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Have had a few relatively young plates (23-25) which broke when they decided to LTR one of their orbiters. Most of them come back for more NSA sex after 1-2 years if you maintain frame (IDGAF).

Just fucked a girl I was in a LTR with for several months, we broke it off and I went none contact. She got into another LTR that lasted several months. They broke up about a week ago and we were fucking again the next day. Maintain frame and they WILL be back. 8 times out of 10 I would wager. Real shit.

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[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire240 points41 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Beta doesn't mean he's a loser. Alpha doesn't make you a winner, either. Civilization is built by Betas. Alphas are like primal cavemen that women are attracted to because of millions of years of evol-psych programming. But it doesn't make them better men. Betas are programmed by culture to be civilized. That's why they are offering their commitment so easily. Women are attracted to the security and social status that the commitment bring. If the beta is providing, he's also bringing comfort and a way of life. Meanwhile, all the alpha is offering up is dick in the box and tingles.

Women with self-awareness understand this dynamic. They sow some wild oats with alphas, then settle down with a beta. The more assholish ones have an alphas kid, then settle down with a beta. Alphas often get sex on tap, but why would they commit when they have a roster? And why would women hang around to wind up alone and having to work to support themselves?

So, OP has a point. I think you are confusing beta with omega males.

[–]antariusz4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women are attracted to high levels of beta traits.

Women are aroused by high levels of alpha traits.

That’s the difference.

[–]Imalostman_1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

What's Omega males? This wasn't in the sidebar.

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire25 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Guys at the bottom of the sexual marketplace who face a lifetime of having to pay for sex while risking getting robbed by prostitutes too repulsed to fulfill their end of the bargain.

Think ugly guys who are also dumb and lazy, as well as have a victim-complex and a bad attitude, but who aren't actually congenitally disabled. They will never self-improve, and even if they did, their best efforts fizzle and produce little if any results, or rather, if they competed at their hardest, they would still fall far short of anything making them competitive.

However, most people aren't this hopeless. Many are trapped in mental prisons they can escape from. It's just too painful for them. They have a pain-avoidance mentality.

[–]reversec-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

dis here

[–]Avertus1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I won't argue your point that civilization is built by Beta males, but the ongoing decline of Western civilization is a result of the increasing gynocentric control of society and shaming of masculinity. And if this trend continues, the Betas of the West will be replaced by a more masculine culture.

[–]Thunderbird9312 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

We are sometimes too absolutist here on TRP. Do most women crave male domination? Definitely, but we can't ignore the occasional dominatrix who enjoys power

[–]Skyhawk_And_Skyhead3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There are two sides to hypergamy. Alpha fucks and Beta bucks. You cant ignore either side. Just as a woman will cheat on a beta with an alpha, she will get frustrated and leave an alpha if he wont commit. Read Preventive Medicine by rollo tomassi, it goes into great detail about this.

[–]Zech4riah[S] -3 points-2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Just pasting the relevant part which you ignored (there is a little prerequisite/assumption hidden there which makes your comment pretty much irrelevant):

When you are experienced with spinning plates and know your shit, this is one of the most likely reasons why she nexts you (in addition to frustration because you don't commit).

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[–]aamour11 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Similar situation I’m curious if someone responds

[–]bringer_of_glory1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You have alfa attitude. You can be skinny and still alfa

[–]friendandadvisor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a TRP 101 question. Read the sidebar.

[–]darkstar10314 points5 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

So we can boil that whole wall of text down to: One of your plates dropped, and now you're miffed. Get over it, find another plate, and move the fuck on. Quit whining about it. It makes you look like a bitch.

[–]Zech4riah[S] 3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

  • Plate drops
  • Let it drop and keep the frame
  • Understand that it isn't necessarily about your value
  • Get more confident
  • Get better quality girls
  • Keep your roster spinning
  • Use your list of old plates to refresh your when needed
  • Use the time saved to advance your mission.

[–]darkstar10311 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah. Notice that nowhere on that list does it say anything about jumping on TRP and whining that one of your old plates dropped you for one of her orbiters. That soup sandwich above is nothing but you masturbating your ego while crying tears of defeat into the bottom of an empty beer bottle.

[–]Zech4riah[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't reflect everything through your own experiences. I'm not the one here who got heartbroken.

[–]Rollo_Mayhem30 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Think of it as an upward spiral' you keep spinning upwards as lower plates drop' you pick up better plates with each dropping plate and a new pick up you gain abundance mentality..

Tbh' after a while i forget about some of my plates' no joke...then they hit me up and i was oh yeah come entertain my cock for a quick hour or so...

[–]GreasyItems0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Understand that it isn't necessarily about your value

Get more confident

This doesn't make sense to me. Isn't confident behavior supposed to be independent of smv? In the guide to accepting yourself in the sidebar, are we not taught to believe we are enough, regardless? The low smv grinch should be just as content with himself as the high smv Chad.

[–]Zech4riah[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Just telling which helped me to understand my value and get more confident as a result of that.

I tend to keep things realistic and base my confidence on real things instead of going too irrationally self-confident.

If you think you are the shit when you are not, you won't improve.

[–]GreasyItems0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

How is confidence based on anything real?

[–]Zech4riah[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is this question for real? :D Ofc you are more confident when you are actually competent in something. It's easier to be confident when the odds are for you rather than against.

[–]Thunderbird9326 points27 points  (39 children) | Copy Link

There are also alpha chicks out there who like control. Naturally since they clash with alphas they will settle for a beta.

[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime56 points57 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

There's no such thing as an Alpha woman, only a masculine woman, most likely developed because of a lack of masculine direction and leadership.

In the absence of masculinity, femininity is eroded and replaced with what you'd describe as an "alpha female". It's a natural survival tactic.

When there is a stable presence of strong males a woman is able to embrace her femininity, her survival is generally ensured, she can be comfortable and let the men do most of the heavy lifting in terms of direction and leadership.

Without this, she has to step up to the plate and carry the burden herself.

Put forth a society such as ours desperately lacking in male leadership, highlighted perfectly in Rollos most recent post, where masculine traits have been outlined as "harmful" and you're left with a growing number of women adopting masculine traits.

All woman are biologically drawn to strong men, they want to submit and be woman, it's just that some have never had the privilege of encountering one.

[–]RememberU2U9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

My chickens provide a good example of this. If you don't have any roosters, one of the hens will eventually stop laying eggs and start pecking at the other hens and even start trying to crow.

If you bring in an actual rooster after all of this, it gets sorted out very quickly.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hmmmm.... that is quite interesting.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

http://blackdragonblog.com/2012/07/29/the-three-types-of-women/

I am more in agreement with Blackdragon’s categorization of women in overarching personality archetypes of Dominant/Submissive/Independent than flat out stating there is no such thing as an Alpha Woman. A true Independent woman (as stated by the article. Gtfo with that strong independent wimmens bs) would be the closest equivalent to Alpha Male/Female. That said the terms Alpha Male/Chad are a heuristic/caricature of concepts that do not fully represent reality, it’s merely a useful approximation so that we’re all somewhat in agreement on what the concept means.

I fully agree that a female that is forced to shoulder the masculine load develops both the required masculine traits and is completely miserable doing it.

[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Black dragon doesn't necessarily dig into what factors produce dominant/submissive/independent women.

I'd argue a women's upbringing, more importantly the presence of strong masculinity has a very strong influence on which category she'll inevitably fall into.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You’re arguing for kids brought up well turn out well. Duh. Counterpoint being now a majority of kids are not brought up well at all. It’s sadly a valid point.

We’re arguing for different points of the same thing. I say the ability to recognize the female type you’re dealing with is a more practical skill than figuring out how she got that way. I care about the what. I can figure out the hows I just don’t care that much. The hows can be useful to find some insecurities to use as thumbscrews.

[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I find the what as well as the how important, it impart's you with the ability to ascertain a women's propensity for unpleasant behaviors.

Red Flag awareness essentially, she may be an angel today because you're nailing dominant behaviors, but over time it can get harder and harder and she may be a ticking time bomb.

[–]Thunderbird934 points5 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

You make good points my brother, however consider this. What about the statistic that there are more women in college than men now? If women's purchasing power parity increases due to skilled labour through education then they see less of a need to submit. She now has more money than most men she encounters and with that comes more self confidence and power, therefore making her alpha

[–]Endorsed ContributorUEMcGill20 points21 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

In his book, Tribe by Sebastian Junger he cites a pretty telling statistic. In a situation where a dire emergency has occurred and men are present, there has never been a recorded case of a woman hero. Never. The only time you have a case where say a car accident happens and the occupants are pulled out is when only women are present on the scene.

I think this is a pretty telling fact about the nature of women. They step up and fill in a vacuum because they have too.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Never a woman hero? Not once? Could I get a cite or a link or something on that? If true that's incredibly interesting.

[–]Endorsed ContributorUEMcGill4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I looked in his book and he said:

According to a century of records at the Carnegie Hero Fund, male bystanders performed 90 percent of the spontaneous rescue of strangers. One in five [lost their life] (A hero is described as [risking your life to save someone unrelated])

I'll clarify what I said, women only are heroes when no men are present. I can't find that in the book, but I also heard of the book from when Junger was on Joe Rogan, so it may have been from that podcast.

Another interesting note, further on he goes on to describe how women will be heroes in their own way, like banding together in social solidarity, an example he gave was where a group of women hostages told the hostage takers, "Kill us all or kill none of us"

But my overall theory stands, Women will step up and take the place of men, in predominantly male roles when no males are present. Otherwise, they will take the roles they are better at.

He also talks a lot about how traditionally males are disposable and women are better at social cohesion. Some real Redpill truths from a guy who proclaims he is progressive left.

[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime13 points14 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

More female liberation, education and earning has been directly correlated with a steady decline in happiness over the last 30 years because Alpha behavior is misaligned with her inherent nature.

The problem stemmed from drafting men, wars, which required females taking a more prominent role in society. Which has snowballed until now, women becoming more masculine on a large scale.

It's left us with stronger, more educated, more independent women, however biological shifts don't take place in such a short period, inherent female nature remains, which is happiest when it's being satisfied, and it's satisfied by being with a strong, high value male, providing leadership and direction.

So yes she can have the appearance of an "Alpha", however there's no such thing as inherent alpha women.

[–]Thunderbird933 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I agree that biology is an important variable that I omitted. Something however that we haven't mentioned is female intelligence being allowed expression. Just look at the Nobel prize winning Marie Curie who won awards in both physics and chemistry. Wouldn't you call Curie an intellectual alpha?

[–]5Imperator_Red0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Wouldn't you call Curie an intellectual alpha?

I don't even know that that means. You are just taking the word alpha and attaching it to any positive characteristic that you feel like. Alpha just describes a man who is successful with women because they perceive him to have a high SMV. That's it.

[–]Nicolas06310 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

We link alpha with masculinity, but I'd think at the core the alpha is the leader of the pack, be it a male or female (typically that depend of the specy).

Ms Angela Merkel is clearly an alpha. She is smart, she has the cunning, she is in control and hold formidable power even through it is more difficult theses day. She is female but more alpha than 99.999% of the population..

[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd call her intellectually capable.

Alpha infers how high you are on the sexual hierarchy.

Women don't necessarily operate within a strict vertical hierarchy, they compete on a more horizontal set-up, their desire is to attach themselves to those at the top of the male dominance hierarchy.

Men compete and co operate, women compete and then cast out.

They compete by displaying the traits that (Alpha) men find the most attractive, which is generally physical prowess.

Although I'd generally strictly reserve the terms Alpha and Beta for male usage, I'd say a model, or HB10 women would be at the top of the pile for female sexual value.

[–]SeasonedRP0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

My experience has been the opposite. Professionally accomplished women love to be dominated in the bedroom. I've had this happen with female doctors and, especially, high-powered female lawyers. They would never consider dating someone beneath them, and thus they struggle to find men. If they do find one, he tends to be similarly or more successful, but a large number of such men are beta, and thus these women are unhappy. They love raw masculine power. I mean, they go nuts over it. If you can be both accomplished professionally and employ red pill principles, you wouldn't believe what women will do for you.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If women's purchasing power parity increases due to skilled labor through education then they see less of a need to submit.

No mate, they just go and seek higher value men in the "promised land" of money and power. Don't get fooled by career women, they are still women.

She now has more money than most men she encounters and with that comes more self confidence and power, therefore making her alpha

I've disqualified chicks for having poor social skills or for being fat, it does not make me alpha. If a rich guy doesn't talk to you cause you're poor it does not make him alpha. If a woman looks down on you because you drive a Nissan and she drives a Mercedes, it does not make her alpha.

What if I am sleeping with women who are way more attractive than her whom she cannot compete with? It just means she has an inflated ego because of all that nonsense (money and power). She can have all the money in the world but that does not mean I am beneath her, nor does it mean I am going to want to sleep with her as all of them love to believe.

Being alpha is about not being influenced by your environment, at least from my understanding, women are always influenced by validation, as you said, with a bicycle you likely won't get the Rolls-Royce chick but an alpha man just does what he wants. Women in contrast have to evaluate SMV by predicting what other people will say and this greatly influences her decision.

[–]Cant_Tell_Me_Nothin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think for half of them its also due to hormones. A lot of women I've dealt with who act masculine also tend to have have masculine physical features; manjaws, square hips, deeper voices, etc.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men that lack frame and assertiveness will often conflate a woman being an unmanaged bitch with a woman alpha. These women aren't acting this way because they have a natural aggressive tendencies and wish to actually dominate other people. They are testing to find someone that will actually put them in their place.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

I really struggle with this idea of "Alpha Females", if you have sat down with a career woman and understand what makes her tick, it's always a long term plot to get what she believes to be a "high value man". Whether it's the Yale Law school chick or the Harvard MBA, they always go there with intention of finding their Mr Degree/Hot Shot/Big Gun/Guy with a startup. Once they get there and realize they were wrong, they just use their careers as a source of validation, "I am C-X-O at [insert big company]".

Their decision making is always influenced by validation, yes there are a few outliers but the majority falls under the Mrs Husband-Title group, they just pretend to be "strong and independent" because this sells these days.

[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime14 points15 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

It's a perfect example of female solipsism, projecting traits she herself would find attractive in a man and pursuing them vigorously, only to find men don't really give a shit about her career or how strong willed she is.

Partly why feminism is taking the route it is, it's one big pile of solipsistic shit, taking all the things they find attractive in men and applying it to woman, thinking it's going to sky rocket their value and make their lives great.

Instead, it leaves them miserable, having to carry the stress and burden of operating in intense environments, all the while driving men to run for the hills.

[–]dcmcmd0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Same effect from a different angle when raising a male child - encourages in them the various beta characteristics they would find appealing in a provider partner. Curses said child with a bucket load of useless advice on women!

[–]Thunderbird930 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

I'd agree but add and argue that feminism and the liberal agenda for women have primarily adopted the victimhood premium. Its a narrative that says society has wronged you and owes you something. Just look at the Cyntoia Brown case. She killed a man while he slept and stole his truck and guns. Yet the court of public opinion thanks to famous liberals like Rihanna and Kim K turned her into the victim although she perpetrated the crime. Her 51 year sentence was definitely over the top but the notion that her as being the true victim is the kind of rationalization I find prevalent in our times. Women nowadays love thinking of themselves as "survivors".

[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Very true, it's the exploitation of human nature, that jumps to defend a damsel in distress.

Biologically males are tasked with ensuring the safety of females and young, hence the quickest and easiest way to obtain investment is to assume the role of the victim.

Men now feel a duty to uplift and diffuse this victimhood, while other women join the fight because they see how much investment and attention points it garners.

[–]Thunderbird930 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

For real man. All these sexual assault cases coming to light decades after the fact? I'd never spike a chicks drink or do shady shit but why not report it immediately? The current narrative is that its "brave" to "come out" so we see all these so called "victims" using it as a platform for the spotlight. Even when it comes to drugging a chick, I've been under the influence of LSD and unlike Frank Olson I didn't jump to my death. Personal responsibility is a scarce asset in our times.

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Raging hormones and healthy, fully functional reproductive organs, shes may be an inexperienced woman but she is a woman none the less. Biologically she will behave like a woman and so she has.

[–]Skyhawk_And_Skyhead1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Or daddy issues. I've never met a female lawyer who's dad was actually there.

[–]Zech4riah[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

True but why would you wanna try to spin dominant (possibly masculine) woman...?

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[–]thewrecker81 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think the career driven women are more feminists than "alpha females". They embraced the "don't rely on men, you can do everything a man can do and do it better" philosophy. With the amount of beta dads out there (i.e. women who locked down their beta providers). They embrace the feminism movement and, along with their "don't settle like me" wives, mold their daughters to be "strong independent women who dont need no man".

[–]5Imperator_Red0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

alpha women

There is no such thing as an alpha woman. All you guys need to read the fucking sidebar. We use the term alpha to describe a man who women perceive as having a high SMV. That is its sole proper usage.

[–]Atheist_Utopia0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Which article is it specifically?

[–]Thunderbird930 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly bro. Especially the college graduate females who have high earning power in the labour market. They adopt a girl power mentality and strong feminism, one can even argue they acquire frame and don't want it challenged

[–]SeasonedRP-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, such women want to be led. They just don't often find men they will let lead. My dating life largely consists of these women, and I know them well.

[–]FwoGiZ-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No such thing as alpha female, how ever you spin things.
Women acting like a men or doing man things doesn't make them alpha.......

[–]vfb1413 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They always come back. They might need to leave so they can fulfill a necessity that certain specific phase of her life demands (especially if she is in her epiphany phase [27-30]). Once you plate a girl, you can spin it indirectly indefinitely, because when they achieve whatever they were after, it doesn't take them long to realize that security does not produce tingles, thus causing them to reach out to her top alpha fucks option available to bring some excitement in her now predictable life.

[–]RedHoodhandles6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I understand that you, me and every man needs to protect his ego. This is ego protection.

Also, you are mixing alpha/beta and SMV together. A plate could leave you for a higher SMV Alpha, a higer SMV Beta, a lower SMV Alpha or a lower SMV Beta. Four possibilities. But so what?

Does it really matter for whom she broke? Aside from your ego? So you can tell yourself "ahh what a schmock, he looks so soft" or "ooh what an idiot he gave commitment so easily while I fucked her proper in all her holes *hihi*'. And when she comes back 'Ohh sweet littlle bird... I told you so. Who's your daddy?'

It doesn't matter. She broke. She's gone. And no matter if she comes back a month or a year later, I'm not warming up old leftovers so I can 'chill' my plate management and be lazy. This is my kind of ego protection. She's dead to me. After me, the flood.

I'm not judging you. Have fun with that. It's just not my... taste.

[–]Zech4riah[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, I don't judge you either but I'm not sure if you are being practical with your ego protection method. I do a lot of things in the hard way but I'm definitely welcoming back past quality plates which I had fun with but they temporarily nexted me for a guy who gave commitment.

But yeah, we all have our styles yours just needs more work in this aspect.

[–]whataccent0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sometimes people are curious because the circumstances are informative, like if you're curious about how a toaster works, it's not because you're jealous of bread.

[–]1Harry_Wangs1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The Alpha/Beta characterization is often too simplistic.

Women are not just looking for the most masculine guy with the strongest possible frame...it’s like saying we are only looking for the hottest girl regardless of personality or character or intelligence.

Doesn’t have to be a Beta or someone more Alpha...it might just be someone who is a better fit. Maybe they are both musicians, both artists, both joined the same social circle.

No need to rationalize too much why a plate dropped...just let it drop and move on.

[–]5Imperator_Red3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean, I just have to point out that not every guy in the world follows the TRP model. There are plenty of top notch alpha guys that could spin plates if they wanted to but end up pairing off with attractive women into a committed LTR.

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[–]Zech4riah[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hell no, there is plenty of ways to figure out if she is single or not. If you can't, you can ask her directly?

"Hi, how are you doing?"

chitchat

"Wanna come over my place?" - If she agree, she most likely available, if not, you move to next girl and try to resurrect her again 4-6 months later (if you are in a situation you wanna refresh the roster).

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[–]Selfishaltruist181-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think it's more like everyone is the enermy or very least a combatant. It's why the first rule of TRP is you don't talk about TRP. Your a spy in a enermy land, if you reveal your true nature you will be crucified for it. So you hide your true self and instead use your knowledge of the enermy to get what you want. You're awake and you know that those around you will do there best to make sure no one else awakens.

[–]Selfishaltruist1811 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This post kinda doesn't need to exist. Your not opening new ideas to people, the title is click bait and the article is more about you than it is about the red pill. Your pride is just abit too overwhelming my dude. I think a big part of the red pill is not giving a fuck about what people think, but in the sense of if its concerning your pride. Girl doesn't like you for your nose.. who cares! Girl doesn't want to talk to you.. next! someone said you have a weird smell.. hmmmm, maybe you should listen to that. In other words, learn from what people think of you, it can help you improve yourself, but don't take it personally. So like this, your plate dropped and the first reason you look for is an external one. (Which is part of why your plate dropped), but look at your own actions too. Might be it was nothing, it might be that you smell.

[–]Zech4riah[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

For me understanding this dynamic helped to get more confident. I was thinking that it would help the guys on the path until they reach true outcome independence and indifference.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFeralRed2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

WTF is this shit?

Seriously.

Who cares what happens to dropped plates?

Get this feminine imperative shit off the sub asap.

The level of blooper cuntiness and femininocentricicy of this entire post makes me retch.

This sub is for discussing men, not whining about why a women settled for what she eventually chose.

Alpha fucks, beta bucks.

Rule zero, motherfucker.

This makes me sad.

[–]Zech4riah[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't see anything wrong with a list of hot women you have found out fun to be with and they are there just a phone call or one message away.

I prefer having a pipeline of hot chicks ready whenever I need to refresh my roster. I can use all the time to my mission instead of roaming around in clubs doing cold approach now when I've got that down well enough.

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Happens allllllll the time, you gotta laugh it off.

[–]A_solo_tripper0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

you don't wanna resurrect a plate who dropped or got dropped because of mental issues/bad behaviour etc.

So true. Made this mistake.

[–]olimpicus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Can you expand? Bps? I'm geting out of one

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Great post. But what does “use the excel” mean?

[–]Kabuki4310 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I was laughed at when i said i have a pipeline of chicks for next 3 years.

[–]SICFJC0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I find this this be 100 percent true. Every girl I've EVER been with is now with an extremely less unattractive person, who is almost certainly beta. I was thinking about this today actually.

[–]Feelinggood7020 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This was a headache to read. Why do we have to characterize everything as alpha or beta? A man is a man, nothing more. What do you define as commitment? I always see the implication that committing to a woman makes you a beta male. She wanted to be with him, not with you. Why are you so worried about being “nexted”? It’s like you’re showing concern that she didn’t want to be with you by even thinking about this post. Who knows, maybe you need to work on yourself more, and that’s why she didn’t want to stick around?

[–]paul_ernst0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It happened twice to me, actually. But I see it more as a good mechanism to weed out weak women from my life.

[–]DouglasPR0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So true, OP. I have this on/off plate that has dumped me twice, always for textbook beta bucks. She is post wall, a 7-8 in a good day and very good sex. By now she already understood that I won't commit, so when she finds a prospect she ghosts me. First time the guy bailed after three months and she came back for D. Second time she even told me before hand she was fishing for a recent divorcee, loaded and sexually frustraded guy. Lets see if this one lasts... I hope so, she is not a bad woman and the guy looks like he need some decent bj's and anal.

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[–]Zech4riah[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree, timing is really important.

On the other hand, we europeans and especially scandinavians don't have too much of a problem with "psycho girls". Girls here are really balanced and seem like "adults" most of the time because girls are grown to survive on their own.

[–]sdzundercover0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Lol do you know how easy it is to sleep with the girl who's in a committed relationship with a beta male? Especially married woman, most of them are in unhappy marriages or at least they settled. If you were an alpha or are spinning plates you would know this

[–]Zech4riah[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

lol, did you even read what I wrote? Understand the context and re-evaluate your response.

EDIT: Ah, what the heck, you wouldn't understand so I'll spell it for you. What I'm saying with this post is that when you are an alpha who spins the plates and does not give commitment to a girl, she will find it elsewhere and most of the time it's valuable enough beta male who gives his commitment gladly.

Fucking married girls or girls with boyfriends is such a basic thing that the fact you blurted it out in such confident manner to "educate" me tells me that you are in the beginning of your path. Keep on swallowing the pill mate.

[–]sdzundercover0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

My bad, really jumped the gun on that one. My apologies and yh ur right

[–]Strip_Bar0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You’re spot on with this, she’s doing it as a reaction to you she’s in your frame. The reason you even know about this other dude is she wants you to know. Women will date below their smv if they are either trying to recoup their lost self esteem caused by an alphas rejection or to try to get even or make the alpha jealous. In doing this however the only person they really betray is themselves.

[–]3chazthundergut0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wrong.

I love beta males.

Someone has to take these women on dates. Someone has to give them nonsexual attention. Someone has to help pay her bills

[–]anymouse22334455-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Plates dropping for a beta is actually doing you a favor. Plate spinning is all temporary, you bang em out and when they get clingy pass them off to a beta that will pay for it and execute her long term provisioning plan. Find another plate and adopt the abundance mentality. I love betas that are willing to take up seconds when I'm done, that way these women don't cling on me. All the fun and none of the mess man.

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I’ve had plates I couldn’t get rid of. They would start demanding commitment and I’d drop them only to return for sex. Always fun when they go on a date with some guy that took them to dinner and then call you afterwards because they want to fuck. Hold frame and let them go only to have the boomerang put them back in your bed.

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Plate spinning TRP Alphas worst "enemy" is actually a beta male who is happy to give his commitment to a girl right away - Not another (trp) alpha male.

Of course it's an another alpha. You're not competing for her attraction with the beta who is not attractive to her, you're competing with the attractive alpha. Attraction is not a choice, thus it's her decision to marry beta but it's not her's to cheat with an alpha afterwards.

[–]Zech4riah[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

This comment basically contradicts the thing that women nearby the wall stop seeking AF and prefer BB instead.

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

women nearby the wall stop seeking AF and prefer BB instead.

They don't. They still want AF, but will settle for BB while seeking AF anyway.

[–]Zech4riah[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, they still want AF but they will seek for BB for long term support. Provider hunters are the extreme case there.

Like I wrote in the post, there is the time when the desire of commitment overcomes the desire for tingles...atleast for awhile.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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