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President of a country in my region considers introducing "a bachelor tax"

January 27, 2016
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TL;DR When asked about the economic prospects in late 2014, president of a state within Bosnia and Herzegovina (SE Europe) said he wants to "stimulate people to get a job" and said he considers introducing a bachelor tax. The current unemployment rate in B&H is 44%.

Body: This is a bit older news, but it's the kind of thing one simply files in the back recesses of the brain only to have it emerge at a random moment in the future. I thought it was appropriate in Red Pill, so here I am posting it.

The president in question is called Milorad Dodik and he is a crass redneck who often shocks the foreign diplomats with his rude and arrogant remarks. Appearing in a national talk show, Dodik started ranting about the economy, which at this point requires massive monetary injections to sustain its overblown social program.

"There is another interesting aspect of this story, there are many people out there who talk about the falling birthrate [in our country], and there are countries who mandate a [snicker] bachelor tax - if you're not married by 35, you will have to pay a bachelor tax, which is quite hefty." Source (in Serbian only), starting from 1:11:30.

Conclusion: I've been thinking about the unrealistic expectations placed upon men a lot lately and this seems to fall squarely into that category. Men are expected to prop up the system they are in, no matter the consequences for their mental or emotional health.

This includes giving limb and life for your country, working shitty jobs for shitty wage, dealing with harpy women and snotty kids. If they won't, the government will force them into complying. But, punishment and fear of punishment can only generate so much productivity. In all cases, these systems require that men put up with it and "man up" or they inevitably fail under their own weight.

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Title President of a country in my region considers introducing "a bachelor tax"
Author SgtBrutalisk
Upvotes 338
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Date January 27, 2016 3:59 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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[–]Rasalom72214 points215 points  (82 children) | Copy Link

And this will force more men to abandon all efforts at being part of the society they are in. Want to tax someone with zero incentive to be productive? They will just stop working, and become a burden on society. This only hastens the collapse.

[–]ITS_JUST_A_WANK_BRO165 points166 points  (52 children) | Copy Link

Solution: Two alpha males marry each other, and have an open marriage. All the tax benefits, and if you have a loyal bro then you can get a partner who doesn't divorce rape you.

Its going to become the reverse of the old days, when 2 gay men and 2 gay women married each other such that you had 2 husband/wife combos who 'cheated'.

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger171 points172 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

That would be awesome. The open-minded, liberal, feminized world is absolutely in love with two things: Homosexual relationships and Non-monogamy.

If you have a problem with two dudes who marry and fuck girls on the side, then you're a homophobic, sexually prudish bigot! You probably voted for Trump! Take that, feminized world!

[–]thenemaxofredpill37 points38 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I proposed this to a few friends. It is still seen as taboo with some men. I see it as logical. Just meet up once a year to do taxes and split the return based on salary. Not hard, plus you make more money.

[–]RatsSewer5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

No, you can actually lose more money depending on which bracket you belong to.

[–]GC0W303 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Hardcore US alphas are going to be in this bracket all day long unless they're in a handful of low-income, high-status or high-satisfaction career fields.

[–]RatsSewer2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hardcore US alphas are going to be in this bracket all day long unless they're in a handful of low-income, high-status or high-satisfaction career fields.

So basically very few people.

I know a few people who married for visas and they fit into this bracket too.

[–]MuhTriggersGuise0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah the advice was obviously for high wage earners who refuse to marry and are aware they are getting fucked on taxes.

[–]jdgalt2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Do the numbers before you commit to this. I'm a tax professional and I frequently advise clients NOT to get married. The marriage penalty never entirely went away, and is now big again. Maybe this is different in the OP's country.

Domestic partner status is a workaround, at least in the US. The IRS does not consider DPs to be married (but some states do).

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So you have the emergence of the trophy beta husband?

[–]destraht17 points18 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Dead bedroom gay marriage where both partners are sleeping with other people. Maybe even the marriage is having problems and they are currently separated.

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger38 points39 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

The most awesomest red pill job ever would be dead bedroom gay marriage open with women counselor!

I'd accept bottles of scotch as payment for me pretending you showed up in my office to work on your fake gay marriage and telling the government how hard you're working on your issues.

I could probably even get paid for this via insurance. I mean, shouldn't the government require insurance companies to pay for marriage counseling between sexually liberal gay people with non-monogamous relationships? It's practically KKK to not.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper20 points21 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

What do you mean, "insurance companies"? The government should pay for it itself with all its free money, you motherfucking nazi fascist hitler!

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The government's money is all tied up with real problems. Those fat cat insurance companies can pay for this.

Maybe we need a marital tax to cover this. If your marriage is still going strong and happy after 7 years, you should pay a tax to cover the less fortunate people who are going through counseling or divorce.

[–]Rathadin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fucking brilliant. Divorce your "partner" after six years, marry another loyal bro, divorce again in another six years, just keep gaming the system.

Absolutely badass.

[–]destraht4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Marriage 2.0 isn't defined by the practice of sex so we should be in the clear on this.

[–]2Overkillengine1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's practically KKK to not.

It would be Hitlernormative!

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[–]Joseph_the_Carpenter6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Worth extra libpoints but missing the point because you're still marrying a woman.

[–]Rasalom720 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Gender is not based on sex organs you fucking troglodite! If I identify as a toaster, you better be trying to cram bread up my ass every morning... I guarantee it will come out nicely browned.

[–]Luckyluke230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

man... that would be the great F U to the feminists... it feels like such a dream fantasy world where I feel like I have the power.

[–]NolanHarlow20 points21 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I've used similar logic when discussing social issues with the liberal feminized types. I'll claim to be a trans-trans-man. A woman, living in a man's body, living as a man.

When they protest I respond back with "who are you to tell me what I am and what I'm not? It's how I feel on the inside. Don't label me..."

Then I watch the gears come to a grinding halt.

[–]Uptonogood4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Some guy here in Brazil did exactly this. He went to a feminazi student's convention and claimed to be a trans. He ate for free, used the showers with other girls and closed multiple of them All the while there was nothing any of them could say without going against their SJW ideology.

It was probably the biggest trolling against SJW in history. The whole Brazilian internet was laughing at the bitches after they set out to complain in their tumblrs.

[–]1nzgs0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's a great use of agree & amplify, will have to try that.

[–]logicalthinker110 points11 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Seriously though. Why can't you just "marry" your best friend just for tax reasons? You don't even have to live in the same house. In this pc world, anyone that calls you out you can just call them a bigot.

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[–]logicalthinker11 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Interesting. I didn't know that. Thanks for the info

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Sure, but if you are married or a domestic partner you can share benefits at work for example. Say one guy has a job with crap benefits, other guy doesn't.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

this must be highly country-dependent. if the marriage tax is fucked up in the US it still might be worth it somewhere else.

[–]WAFC0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Until the bachelor tax we're talking about comes to fruition.

[–]choikwa0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I thought the bracket for tax had larger room for married couples, meaning they had more room at same % bracket than unwed bracket. Not sure how married middle class couple makes less.

edit: I see how it works now.

http://www.bankrate.com/finance/taxes/tax-brackets.aspx

[–]DodgedAFew7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Your mind is not fake-dirty enough. Why not marry a close relative? A polygamous polyamourous parent-child-sister-brother-brother-cousin marriage.

[–]2IVIaskerade4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Man, it was only a few months ago that I was trolling a MGTOW forum with this suggestion.

[–]Rimeheart1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fun, I always joked with my very RP friend we should just get gay married, that way women could never lock us down. Then we could also give the women the tingles with BS stories about being the only person that understands me blah blah blah.

[–]Nofap1921921 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Sounds good on paper until a feminazi finds out and reports you for fraud. Enjoy the decline

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

How can you commit marriage fraud exactly? Because you dont love your spouse? Then practically every woman thats married is guilty

[–]jdgalt2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It would be so cool if women's practice of no longer giving you certain favors once you're married counted as fraud. Especially if the courts could grant annulments for it. Of course it'll never happen.

[–]Nofap1921920 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Won't happen because it benefits the man and not the government or the woman.

Government is shit scared of men

[–]mygodimpathetic0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I need you to become my accountant/lawyer. Stat. lol

That's the most effin' creative/brilliant idea I've read in a while.

[–]phrostbyt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

for some reason i doubt a muslim country like bosnia has gay marriage.. this is something i could easily google but fuckit

[–]anonymousyam-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

As long as i don't have to kiss a man or sleep in the same it sounds like a good plan to me.

[–]NaughtyFred-2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You'd have to kiss each other a few times in public to really convince people...other than that I'm on board with this idea

[–]Grenli4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

....? Why? If I married a woman, do I have to kiss her in public multiple times just to convince people we're married?

[–]NolanHarlow1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No you don't. In the unlikely event you were challenged, you address it head on. Stare them in the eye and ask directly: "Are you suggesting that I am a liar? Are you claiming to fully understand my sexuality?"

No one who would question you could answer those two questions nowadays.

[–]HAMMURABl27 points28 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The irony is that a "bachelortax" would indeed increase birth rates and incentivize people to form stable marriages - if it were to be imposed on women only. It would disincentivize women to work and instead relying on a male provider who doesnt have to pay this tax. And if a woman really wanted to get married, they could they could convince even the most redpilled man that they are a unicorn, given their innate deception skills and cunningness in manipulating men.

Interestingly I do also believe we *will see a bachelor tax - however imposed only on men.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Want to tax someone with zero incentive to be productive? They will just stop working, and become a burden on society. This only hastens the collapse.

This is a good point - and bachelors are often the most productive members of society since (1) they don't have a family to take time away from their work, and (2) they are motivated to "make it" in order to attract women.

Do you want social unrest? Give the men in your society a reason to be seriously disgruntled.

Do you want to lose your best, strongest, and brightest? Make it so your policies towards these people are worse than those of other countries and watch them flee to greener pastures.

Bottom line: the makers will go elsewhere where they are valued, the takers will stay and leech off of society and riot in the streets.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Id argue married Dads work harder than anybody, followed perhaps single women that don't want to rely on men (and have to pay their debts off).

You might have a military service member or up and coming professional man (Dr., Lawyer, IT guy) that is working balls to the wall, but most single guys have plans to chase poon or play video games. I was a retail manager. Dads always would pick up OT. Single guys and gals always had social plans, and the moms all needed to get their kids.

[–]Philhelm5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dads always would pick up OT.

Well, that's just because they weren't able to chase poon or play video games after work, so there was no point in going home.

[–]Troll_Name12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bingo.

There is going to be another widespread famine, and maybe this time people will finally learn and remember where endless pandering leads them. Maybe

[–]kmoran1 18 points18 points [recovered] | Copy Link

HA this is the exact same thing I was thinking.. I already get 33% of my check taken due to taxes.. if they added say another 10% i'd say fuck it and quit I have no bills or anything anyway. live off of welfare fuck it

[–]GC0W302 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Become self-employed and run a profitable business in most parts of the US, they'll be GLAD to tax you at 43% once state/local/federal/SS/FICA/self-employment is accounted for.

The most densely-populated states, hitting 50% is not hard.

[–]bearmorgan0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

It's an effective tax rate. Your entire income is NOT taxed at 33%.

[–]kmoran1 2 points2 points [recovered] | Copy Link

What do you mean by what you said? As far as I can tell doing the math, the amount that is taken from my gross equated to 33% not including insurance or 401k.. and I still owed taxes last year too.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

in EU 40-50% is taken even before the check lands in your bank. And then you continue paying VAT, excise, property etc. tax until you end up at 80% taxation. Im speaking about regular worker making average pay. But yeah, 90+% europeans love this shit and are proud of it.

[–]bearmorgan0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Thought were only referring to income-based taxes. If it ranges from 40-50%. Why did the post above reference 33%.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

those 40-50% are income based in the narrow sense and then the other taxes are consumption based, but what is consumption if not spent income? so in wider sense all taxes are income taxes because you cant pay taxes if you either dont have income or never had one.

[–]thenemaxofredpill9 points10 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

A couple of my guy friends make like 50k per year, in SD. They have been giving it some serious though to get "laid-off" so they can just get unemployment with all the other lazy people benefits (food, cheap utilities, cheap rent in the nicest apartments, etc). I think that after taxes, the difference between unemployment plus benefits is like 50 bucks on their paycheck. Pretty soon, it won't even be worth it to spend the gas to get to work.

[–]IoSonCalaf8 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Unemployment benefits don't last forever, IIRC.

[–]thenemaxofredpill9 points10 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Thank you Captain Obvious. But you can get them extended just like everyone does by going to interviews but "not getting the job".

[–]itsbooming7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Except in some states you can't. In Florida you run out of those extensions. You might get 6 months of unemployment. That's after you've blown through your extensions.

[–]MuhTriggersGuise0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you Captain Obvious. But you can get them extended just like everyone does by going to interviews but "not getting the job".

Perhaps in SD, I wouldn't know. But in other states you have a lifetime limit on the amount of time you can spend on unemployment and welfare. So you know, maybe don't be such a fucking dick about it.

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[–]thenemaxofredpill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You forget to take out benefits. It comes down to about 1200 per paycheck. So, 300 difference straight up. But then you need to count all the perks you get from being "unemployed". Food Stamps, cheap utils, cheap rent at luxury apartments, Obama phone, etc.

[–]plenkton0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't dislike people who do what they can.

I dislike people who make laws that make working for suckers.

When you can work 160hours a month, but only earn $500 more, you are really working for $3/hour. Sad.

[–]HoundDogs0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

With the unemployment rate already at 44% I'd say they're well on their way too.

[–]elruary0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good hasten the collapse, better it to blow up than die a slow painful canceris death.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan145 points146 points  (29 children) | Copy Link

Any man rich enough to pay any serious degree of tax is rich enough to say "fuck this shit" and relocate. With cheap international travel and online banking/the internet, it's never been easier. Helps if you have location independent income too, eg: you're a trader on the stock market or have an online shop/business.

But yes, the general theme of unappreciated male necessity yet utter disposability is a recurring theme when you look at TRP/feminism and how society/government treats men and has treated men throughout the course of history. How government treats men is really a macro representation of how entitled women treat men - as people who aren't worth shit if they don't toil for others.

Basically in a nutshell: the elites want to ensure the average man is productive whilst not being too powerful. Going back 3 or 4 decades here in the UK, we had a good balance of not giving men too much power, but giving them enough freedom and wealth and legal rights to want to be productive and raise a family/hold up society.

The thing is, elites (politicians, govt and the people lobbying them) get greedy, economy changes, politics change... and this whole storm ends up with eroding the purchasing power and morale of everyday men to a point where they think "fuck this shit I'm gonna masturbate, watch porn and play online games for the rest of my life, it's fucking fun and life sucks!"

Trust me, that last quote I put in there... A LOT OF GUYS of differing ages feel like this. Especially those who are isolated (lots of guys are isolated) and don't really have much of a proper family.

You never hear about this shit from these people themselves because people are proud, guys know they are going to be disrespected, mocked, ridiculed and shit on if they talk about these things openly or make it obvious they opt for this lifestyle, but if some of the emails I get even represent a fraction of the bigger picture, I'm inclined to believe this shit is very common in the west with young disenchanted men and older divorced men alike.

On a further tangent, towards the fall of the roman empire when feminism ruled (women could own property, become lawyers etc) there was hedonism, lots of divorce and the family fell apart like we are seeing now. Men did the same shit then as they are now (history repeats itself) and what did the Romans do? Implement a bachelor tax to "encourage marriage" (more like punish men/force them to "man up" into marrying combative masculine whores who aren't worth a can of piss)

When the fuck will humanity learn.

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan77 points78 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

As a history nerd, it reminds me of the timeless quote about Rome; I can't remember the exact wording, but it went something like:

"Before its collapse, Rome ruled the world; the problem was, women ruled Rome."

[–]ITranscendRaceHombre17 points18 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

"An increase in the influence of women in public life has often been associated with national decline. The later Romans complained that, although Rome ruled the world, women ruled Rome."

 

Taken from The Fate of Empires and Search for Survival by Sir John Glubb. Here it is in context:

    The works of the contemporary historians of Baghdad in the early tenth century are still available. They deeply deplored the degeneracy of the times in which they lived, emphasising particularly the indifference to religion, the increasing materialism and the laxity of sexual morals. They lamented also the corruption of the officials of the government and the fact that politicians always seemed to amass large fortunes while they were in office.

    The historians commented bitterly on the extraordinary influence acquired by popular singers over young people, resulting in a decline in sexual morality. The ‘pop’ singers of Baghdad accompanied their erotic songs on the lute, an instrument resembling the modern guitar. In the second half of the tenth century, as a result, much obscene sexual language came increasingly into use, such as would not have been tolerated in an earlier age. Several khalifs issued orders banning ‘pop’ singers from the capital, but within a few years they always returned.

    An increase in the influence of women in public life has often been associated with national decline. The later Romans complained that, although Rome ruled the world, women ruled Rome. In the tenth century, a similar tendency was observable in the Arab Empire, the women demanding admission to the professions hitherto monopolised by men. ‘What,’ wrote the contemporary historian, Ibn Bessam, ‘have the professions of clerk, tax-collector or preacher to do with women? These occupations have always been limited to men alone.’ Many women practised law, while others obtained posts as university professors. There was an agitation for the appointment of female judges, which, however, does not appear to have succeeded.

    Soon after this period, government and public order collapsed, and foreign invaders overran the country. The resulting increase in confusion and violence made it unsafe for women to move unescorted in the streets, with the result that this feminist movement collapsed.

 

Sounds like another period of time in history, but I cannot put my finger on it...

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I just hope I live long enough to experience the collapse. Maybe I'll buy a fiddle, so that I may play it while the cities burn...yes, I know the story isn't really true but it's fun to think about.

[–]Gotmilkyy4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What do you mean the story isn't true? That is history isn't it? I'm confused

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The fiddle wasn't even invented until the 11th century, and there are no verifiable records of anybody watching Nero play anything during the burning of Rome.

[–]Toolman8905 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bachelor taxes have occurred many times throughout history and have always failed. Once the feminism cycle of society is in full swing, it's over. You can't swing it back to equilibrium due to female selfishness. It has to collapse and restart.

It amazes me how few politicians know anything about history. They never study it which is ridiculous.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock20 points21 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Countries like the U.S. are making it difficult to disentangle yourself from their tentacles. The government is putting people on 'no-fly' lists without explanation. Other governments are starting revoke visas because they aren't politically correct. You have to pay US taxes even if you're not on US soil. There are expensive and long periods to cancel citizenship (good luck renewing it). If you move away, any kids you have, regardless if they haven't set foot on any US soil their entire lives, are automatically considered US citizens and must be taxed (forgot name of law).

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[–]Hydris3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's because if she wins the election I am sure many people will be wanting the leave the country. She's just planing ahead.

[–]yiab1270 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Lol, the people who do it do it to save hundreds of thousands or millions in yearly and lifetime taxes. $2350 is no disincentive.

[–]WAFC29 points30 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

It's not meant for them. It's meant to trap working class men.

[–]1qlqrlk-4 points-3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

If you don't have 2350$ to spare you have bigger problems than not being able to relinquish your citizenship.

[–]ItsOnlyTheTruth7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's a fair amount of money... A lot of people probably don't have that much money readily available.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Damn right it is. Especially so after dropping dime in visas, citizenship, moving, etc. And if you're worth a million or more, enjoy your 50% exit tax. It's a joke. the way the US treats expats is deplorable.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Dude if you're a man and you want to get the fuck out there are other options other than a plane... You can take a boat or a train or a fucking bus or walk.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right on!

For others who wants to know..i'll go to some specifics incase it becomes FUBAR.

Idk much about trains,but with a boat? Surfer dudes with only a few cents were able to get their boat to some country in Central America while looking for cool waves to ride on.

Just liquidate assets in cash/Swiss Bank account,go to the nearby docks,pay the surfer dudes there with cash + some booze,chill with them for awhile,then get dropped off to somewhere in CA. (This is assuming the Mexican border becomes more tightly guarded than North Korea).

When your in CA,get a new identity to stay there/a passport to get out and go to whichever road you want to go to.Casablanca,South-east Asia,South America,Croatia,Kenya,anywhere except the place you ran away from!

Better than being trapped like a slave bitch.

[–]1mrust0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You missed things like FATCA (US) and CRS (EU version of FATCA) where all governments and banks share information about your accounts. The US is the only country that taxes by citizenship, but maybe other governments will soon realize they are missing out.

My strategy is to collect passports. Just became eligible for my third. That way I'm not tied to any one country, diversifying my risk. Taxation by citizenship would be a worst case scenario for me.

[–]wanderer7790 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

when I looked into it you could avoid u.s. tax if you were out of the country 330 days or something like that.

There are ways to stay in the u.s. and pay a fairly small tax bill even on a large "income", they just aren't open to most people who make their money with labor.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

where they think "fuck this shit I'm gonna masturbate, watch porn and play online games for the rest of my life, it's fucking fun and life sucks!"

To a certain extent, that is where I am. I do other things that tend to help the economy, I build cars, and buy parts, tools, equipment etc. But I do not support any girls, my kids are grown, and I'm not about to change that. Thanks to serving in two wars and getting fucked up in the second one, my taxes are incredibly low. If I didn't build cars and was content with doing nothing but working out and fucking girls, I could live anywhere in the world. I'm not about to help anyone else out, show them my inventions and systems for producing my energy, fuck them.

[–]1jb_trp8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The system is fucked and on the brink of collapse. Now the question is: Do you want to get royally fucked before this collapse?

[–]tonyfaulkner6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Part about Romans is gold and should be remembered at each and every political debate.

[–]katmf055 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This time Attila will have a shinny metal ass.

[–]SgtBrutalisk[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for commenting on my post. I occasionally read an article about UK banning pointy knives or some such and regret men who grow up in such pussified environment. Perhaps the influx of Muslims finally serves as a wakeup call for you guys.

[–]TheDreadPill2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That quoted text describes the mentality of men in Japan right now.

[–]Kalidane1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

As with most things, context matters a lot.

For a young guy getting his first degree, this isn't on the 'top 3' list of things to give a shit about.

For older, more established, guys it probably makes it to number one or two on the list.

When you're earning enough to care about this, or anything tax related, it's usually best to go have a chat with a top firm for proper management of both income management and tax obligations. Throw in income-mobility and you have so many options. Almost too many in fact.

The system isn't designed to bleed the wealthy. Get the good advices and structure things to your advantage.

[–]TRPShill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

do you have more information on the rise of feminism in relation to romes collapse?

[–]wanderer7790 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

the answer to your last question is effectively never. Look at any lesson from history, it is almost immediately forgotten. Sometimes even by the people who just lived through it.

[–][deleted] 97 points98 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

Its coming , and here's why.

Tom Leykis made the observation that a bachelor can live very well on what would numerically be a shitty salary. Making 50,000 per year as a male/female/ one child family in an urban city like Los Angeles is poverty level standard. Make $50k by yourself as a dude, and you're living fairly well.

The model doesn't work for women, because they're still a slave to the Hypergamy engine. She's always going out, meeting friends, being sociable because a woman by herself ain't making any quality kids or meeting quality dudes to make and raise them with. Add in a compulsion to shop, and a woman making $50k per year is generally in consumer debt of $20k+ and living paycheck to paycheck. Married folks have it worse, as after the ceremony hubby is legally obligated to support his wife and her shopping habits into perpetuity. Its not unusual for married dudes clearing six figure incomes to be in obscene amounts of consumer debt thanks to Wifey

Now let's return to the Bachelor's example. Not many high SMV dudes reach that point these days; all the hot guys get poached off by women via marriage, divorce, or child support long before they earn big money. The medium and low SMV dudes however are in some cases high earning bachelors by default. They never got taxed via marriage or an expensive relationship, because they can't even get a date.

That incel engineer dude who's always whining about women going for the assholes and keeps getting cheated on is making $100K per year with nothing to spend it on except cars and video games, and women want that filthy beta lucre. They don't, however, want to actually put up with his company.

Enter the bachelor tax. This way the growing class of socially inept adult males who are both wealthy and single can be forced into paying for the spawn of the women who reject him. It also means high SMV guys who both know the hustle and have some coin don't dodge what women perceive to be "their responsibility" to help The Tribe.

Itll end up like Domestic Violence laws; on paper both unmarried men and women will be subject to it, while in practice the authorities only enforce it on men. Id guess the government will sell it as a family equity law because so many thugs keep dodging the Child Support authorities and someone has to think of providing for all those babies.

[–]SgtBrutalisk[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The video I linked also has the same president mentioning a "disused farmland tax", which would essentially be blatant land grab made into law.

[–]Ounumen3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree 100% with this. I did the math if I left my wife and paid 1500 in child support and vagina money I would still live pretty damn well. I would never see my kids again though

[–]1mojo_juju2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

$50k salary here. i'm in a state w/ 9% state tax rate.

net of fed & state taxes: $35k.

monthly: about $3 rent: $400 (shared room downtown city of about ~800,000) bills: $100 food: about $500

Monthly savings: about $2k --> $24k per year. Realistically, more like $18-20k/yr. Still, pretty goddamn good savings out of $35k

Why? Frugal, anti-consumerism.

[–]wanderer7791 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You probably already know this, but you can put 18k in a 401k if your company offers one, and another 5.5k in an ira. Then there is a 6.3k standard deduction and 4k self exemption. 33.8 k total you can avoid tax on, 23.5 of which can go into tax deferred accounts earning interest, dividends and capital gains on which you will not pay any tax till you are retirement age.

[–]1mojo_juju0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I did not know the specifics. Thanks dude!

I'll probably get that going once I finish my next degree. in my early 30's.

To be honest, I don't have much faith in our financial system, even though I know it makes people money. It's hard for me to put money away into it in good faith... such as in a 401k which could get totally fucked over by a tanking market, am I right?

[–]wanderer7791 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

while it does fluctuate over the short term, over the long run it has gone up and will probably continue to do so because businesses will keep making money. I would recommend reading a book called "the intelligent investor".

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Thats actually pretty decent. Any special tips for one wanting to live a frugal lifestyle?

[–]fuck_da_haes1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ask yourself "Do I need it, or just want it?" before any purchase

don't buy shit advertised on tv

if you really need something always search online for better price, also search for discount cupons

Cook with what is on the sale at your market, especially expiring meat can save you a lot of $$$

Buy necessities in bulk, costco/macro is your place

A lot of expensive items can be substituted fully by cheaper ones, research online

this is just from top of my head, maybe this deserves its own thread

[–]1mojo_juju1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep:

Every dollar counts. Figure out the expenditure you spend the most on but which you can control. In my case, rent is fixed. but food is variable.

So, instead of an $7-10 lunch at a restaurant or foodcart every day, either make your own or buy wraps/sandwiches/other things from a grocery store. I often take chicken wraps or club sandwiches to work for lunch. They're $5, and I eat half. That's $2.50 per lunch.

$8x 5 days = $40 for lunch eating out.

$2.5 x 5 days = $12.5 for lunch eating pre-packaged food (could be even cheaper if you made it yourself)

By making a smart choice about lunch, I save about 70% of my lunch cash.

Breakfast: Also super cheap: 9 grain cereal; granola & yogurt; oatmeal; pancakes. I never buy it.

Dinner: Also super cheap: multi-day bulk dishes, such as veggie soup; huge salad + grains or legumes; crockpot chicken & potatoes; crockpot anything...

Live with roommates to reduce cost of rent & bills.

Be extreme with your spending: if you see something you like, remind yourself that you don't NEED it. And remind yourself of your goal: to save money for the 'X' thing. (trip to europe? house? new truck? etc.). Get hand-me-down clothes from friends/family.

Basically... just don't spend money.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I lived like that for about 3 years then bought a small house with cash.. no mortgage..

Only takes a few years of living cheap to set yourself up for long term

[–]martypete 3 points3 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Id give anything to make 50k. Fuck

[–]1ToSeeAndToHear4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

OK, take some student loans out and go get a degree in CS.

Or was years of your time not included in "anything?"

[–]1mojo_juju2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

$50k salary here, mid 20's. You're goddamn right.

i'm in a state w/ 9% state tax rate.

net of fed & state taxes: about $35,750.

monthly: just under $3,000 rent: $400 (shared room downtown city of about ~800,000) bills: $100 food: about $500

Monthly savings: about $2k --> $24k per year.
Realistically, more like $20k/yr given random expenses.

Still, pretty goddamn good savings out of $35k

Why? Frugal, anti-consumerism.

Two years of this shit, and I can put a downpayment on a house. Am I gonna do that? Nope, going back to college for another degree. This time in software engineering.

Why? Skillset that will = more $, more independence, a skillset in high demand around the world (i.e. I can relocate and work remotely, and hopefully for myself as much as possible) and the ability to create my own software & computer concepts.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think you'd better off hitting the ground and learning as you go. Does Software Eng even teach you anything you can't learn while doing your own personal projects?

[–]catacamas37 points38 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Another example of the trend toward states forcing men to be cucks at gunpoint - and a rather blatant one at that.

This kind of thing is going to keep getting worse, much worse, until men start organizing and pushing back and saying, enough is enough, roll back femfascism.

Unfortunately, people who think we can ultimately separate our sex lives from politics are mistaken.

The state is like the farmer and we're the livestock.

[–]Troll_Name12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men were once forced to be cucks at rockpoint. Government is just the gang with the most guns.

[–]Johnny_Lawless_Esq 6 points6 points [recovered] | Copy Link

The problem is that society as a whole, has an interest in keeping the birthrate slightly above replacement. Societies that let it get below that tend to stagnate and face widespread social problems. Japan is a great example of this. A statistically significant portion of all young people, men and women, have basically withdrawn from society altogether, living with their parents, off their salaries and pensions.

The fact is that TRP is itself a symptom of a sick society. I'm one of the (probably few) people here that thinks the problems with women in this society are mostly a result of cultural conditioning, not immutable biology. A truly healthy society could create equity between the sexes and an environment where a man would feel safe settling down with a woman (if he wanted) and having children, and where he would want to do that, because to do so is good for him and everyone else in the society, but we obviously don't have that. Unfortunately, I don't think that there has ever been such a society. Humanity has always depended upon men and boys laboring and dying in order to function, and even in "enlightened" societies such as ours, this dependency is still deeply ingrained.

It is, in my opinion, one of the deepest dependencies of human society, and I hold out hope that we can finally dig it out one day.

[–]1Paid_Internet_Troll4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

A truly healthy society could create equity between the sexes and an environment where a man would feel safe settling down with a woman (if he wanted) and having children, and where he would want to do that, because to do so is good for him and everyone else in the society, but we obviously don't have that.

You can't have that for the same reason that deer and wolves don't hang out peacefully in the wild.

The deer have a survival strategy and the wolves have a survival strategy, and the two strategies aren't entirely compatible, even though they're linked.

If you could alter deer or wolves to the point where they weren't working to optimize their own survival at the expense of the other animal, then they wouldn't be deer or wolves anymore; they'd be some new thing you created.

If you remove the drives towards hypergamy and the drive towards fitness and comfort tests from women, then they simply wouldn't be women anymore. They'd be some weird new creation, like men with tits.

Humanity has always depended upon men and boys laboring and dying in order to function

Of course.

If you have 100 men and women, and lose half the men, your tribe will still be capable of maximum population growth that year.

If you have 100 men and women, and lose half the women, then you just cut your maximum population growth capability by 50%.

So, the bottom 80 to 90 percent men are treated as being expendable tools, because they are expendable tools.

[–]SgtBrutalisk[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is also why Quran suggests kidnapping women from other tribes and raping them in captivity - you destroy opponent's reproductive capability while boosting your own. It is a brilliantly sick war manual.

[–]1Paid_Internet_Troll5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They're hardly the first people to think of that. They're like 10,000 years late with that one.

[–]The__Tren__Train66 points67 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I wonder if women realize the gravity of this... Men are SO hesitant to marry them that the government actually has to step in and legislate.

I wonder if that gives them the briefest moment of pause..

[–]NotUpToAnythingGood39 points40 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not likely. Too many people nowadays fail to look more than a few seconds ahead.

Those of us who look weeks/months/years are able to see the writing on the wall. That level of self-awareness is a learned trait.

[–]2IVIaskerade29 points30 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

To them that is a condemnation of men rather than women. The conclusion they would draw is that men are either not valuable enough or "not man enough" to commit. The idea that it might be women who are the bad choices never even enters their mind.

So yes, they do consider it, and decide that once again, it's all men's fault.

[–]NeoreactionSafe66 points67 points  (62 children) | Copy Link

They should call it:

Pre-emptive Child Support

...all beta slaves must pay the child support tax so that the idea of actual marriage leading to Divorce Rape doesn't seem so bad.

We can imagine someone saying:

"Well I'm essentially already fucked as a bachelor so why not marry the slut?"

 

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[–]2popthatpill3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup. This is why there'll never be a "bachelor tax": because there already is one.

[–]Orig_analUse_rname13 points14 points  (59 children) | Copy Link

It could happen. Most of the poor already want to tax the rich. This is the same concept.

Edit: Why am I being downvoted? I'm positing that it could happen not that I agree with it.

[–]chinawinsworlds23 points24 points  (51 children) | Copy Link

The poor don't understand the concept of hard work I guess. Why punish someone for slaving through years of education or being gifted with high intellect? It seems like pathetic revenge to me.

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger39 points40 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

You'd be surprised how dumb most of the world is. People genuinely believe that those who have more than they do are just lucky. Probably born into it. That the rich work less than the poor. It's actually a version of the apex fallacy. Some minute percentage of rich people aren't just rich -- they're super rich trust fund nutjobs born into bajillions of dollars who've never worked a day in their lives -- but the rest of the 99.999999 percent of rich people actually work their asses off.

[–]1ErasmusOrgasmus17 points18 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You'd be surprised how dumb most of the world is. People genuinely believe that those who have more than they do are just lucky

This is so true it's unreal. I'm from a fairly poor, working class background. The other day I saw a comment thread on a facebook post written by a group that campaigns on a host of political and social issues - mostly good causes except they are basically socialist when it comes to wealth related stuff.

One guy commented some bullshit about how he literally thinks all wealth in a country should be redistributed every 5 years. I said you might think differently if you worked harder and longer than everyone else and saw your money being given away.

Later in the same thread someone said they knew of a recent graduate who didn't know what he wanted to do career-wise so a family friend got him a job at an investment bank with a starting salary of £76k, quote "just for turning up". After pissing my pants with laughter, I told the woman that if she really thinks anyone in the City is getting £76k just to 'turn up', she has no idea what investment banking is like. I also told her that there is a fucking reason why she will never, ever see an investment banker defending himself on a thread like that on Facebook at 2pm on a Tuesday. The ignorance is unbelievable.

[–]phrostbyt2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

in america the rich elite use all types of tax loopholes and bullshit that they bought from politicians to make even more money.. when is enough enough? when the top 1% have 99% of the wealth? there are limits to these things. most reasonable people have no problem with capitalism, it's crony capitalism that's ruining this country

[–]1ErasmusOrgasmus0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Right but that's not really the issue Archwinger originally addressed. That's the obscenely rich you're talking about. But when it comes to people who are very well off (bankers, lawyers, consultants etc) but who are nowhere near the level of lobbying governments for tax loopholes - many poorer people think they all got there through luck and that they don't work any harder than they themselves do in their cushty 9-5 office job. Luck definitely plays a part, without doubt, especially in terms of the circumstances you grow up in. But the fact is that those high earners work their nuts off for years and years to get that wealth. There is a reason lawyers and investment bankers often commit suicide. But the lazy half of the poor would rather write it off as luck because it makes them feel better about not being that successful.

[–]phrostbyt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

well i don't think many americans are claiming that. they're simply tired of political corruption and corporate fuckery. i know i am

[–]Senior Contributoradam-l3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Probably born into it.

That's pretty much true.

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's a great article that highlights issues with modern men who are petrified of risk. Rich boys aren't fearful of termination, constantly walking on eggshells. Even if they were broke, their attitude in the office would propel them forward.

Regular Joes have to learn this via professional experience. Once you're awesome at your job and know you could find another pretty easily, or you've saved up enough not to have to worry as much, you start to carry yourself professionally very similarly to those rich kids.

[–]KinTraumaJide1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Or that they cheated somehow via tax loopholes.* I've heard stories from law student acquaintances running free tax prep clinics about the poor people who blatantly want to cheat on their taxes.** Is it because they think that's how rich people got rich?

*Loopholes exist but usually only the the super rich or large corporations can take advantage of them. Most rich people and regular businesses get taxed at insane rates.

**Not sure why poor people are paying taxes since many pay a negative tax rate. They're either not that poor or are trying to get an even more negative tax rate.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Running my automotive repair shop was hideously expensive in taxes. It was more than 50% and I made less than 20k a year busting my ass fixing cars and getting stiffed by customers. Two years of that and I went back to the military.

They work it so you have to take on huge debt to build your business, and the diagnostic equipment alone is outrageously expensive. Now having employees takes even more of your money due to health care costs. Getting rich now requires a mind numbing amount of work, even if you make something like Facebook. The risks involved are enormous, there is no get rich quick you can count on.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Its a high barrier of entry setup by big business so they dont have to compete for marketshare.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This is my biggest argument for universal healthcare. With that, small businesses dont get fucked with having to pay for healtchare like they do now

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Right now all we have is compulsory insurance.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Still, they shouldnt have to be paying that

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's projection. They don't work hard or sacrifice to achieve... so they assume everyone else did the same thing but magically became successful. The fitness model? "Good genetics." The business man? "Made one lucky investment." etc.

[–]Philhelm0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, sometimes it's true. The black woman from the ghetto that works for the federal government and is a GS-234083105, making six figures with two months of vacation time?

[–]unsafeword 6 points6 points [recovered] | Copy Link

It all comes back to the ideologues who portray poverty as a symptom of unequal distribution, as if wealth were a fixed quantity that can't be increased by people becoming more productive. Accepting that one is a victim of "inequality" is more attractive than any explanation that requires discipline in order to get ahead.

It's unfortunate. No society has seen the poor rise because the rich were pulled down. And yet, every society will eventually fall to those who aim to give it another try.

[–]Kalepsis10 points11 points  (33 children) | Copy Link

This is off the original topic but I feel the need to weigh in.

I've been working my ass off for nearly twenty years. I've been laid off five times due to conditions out of my control, while wages in my field have dropped, and continue to do so. In fact, the average hourly wage for a skilled tech in my field (aviation production and maintenance) is now below the point it was in 1998. I couldn't get promoted at any of my workplaces, regardless of my exemplary performance, because those above me clung to their jobs like rats to a sinking ship. I'm familiar with working regular 12-hour (or more) days with one day off every three weeks (required by law, otherwise they wouldn't have given us even that). I'm currently going to college, which is almost half-paid-for by my veteran benefits (and if you try to tell me I didn't earn that, fuck you, go crawl around in fucking Iraq for a few years for $6.78 an hour). Once I'm done with college I'll be back in the marketplace applying for even scarcer positions, for which the wages have also been steadily dropping.

I'm one example, but I am not the only one. Tens of millions of people who work their asses off can't get ahead, watch their wages go down, can't afford to invest in any meaningful wealth building vehicles, and can't afford healthcare. So your solution is, what? Continue working for nothing until you die, then you'll see!

And your last point: "No society has seen the poor rise because the rich were pulled down." Bullshit. American society saw a tremendous rise in poor and middle classes in the 50's under Eisenhower, when taxes on the super rich were over 90%, by putting a shitload of that money into jobs building the country's infrastructure. Where do you think we got all these power plants, dams, bridges, and the highway system? The poor and middle class at the time had the ability to get ahead without being born into money. I'm not saying everything was perfect, but there was definitely more opportunity for the average guy to get ahead economically than there is today.

[–]CoriolanusRevisited4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I've been working my ass off for nearly twenty years. I've been laid off five times due to conditions out of my control, while wages in my field have dropped, and continue to do so. In fact, the average hourly wage for a skilled tech in my field (aviation production and maintenance) is now below the point it was in 1998.

Show me where somebody put a gun to your head for 20 years forcing you to work in an industry under those conditions? You're sincerely telling me that under zero circumstances during the entirety of those 20 years did you think it was a good idea to switch industries, into a more lucrative field? Or are you saying you thought it was a good idea but there were literally zero times it was possible for you to do so, over 20 years?

I'm currently going to college, which is almost half-paid-for by my veteran benefits

Why only half? I'm a veteran myself, and that you went to Iraq means you were a most 9/11 veteran, right? Are you not going to a state school, or are we talking Desert Storm and hence you only have the Montgomery GI Bill?

Tens of millions of people who work their asses off can't get ahead, watch their wages go down, can't afford to invest in any meaningful wealth building vehicles, and can't afford healthcare. So your solution is, what? Continue working for nothing until you die, then you'll see!

You see, the hardworking poor never realize that it isn't just about working hard, it's about working smart. Nobody is saying a guy that works 12 hours a day as a ditch digger for minimum wage isn't a hard worker. But it's not just about applying yourself, it's about applying yourself in a proper way and in the proper place.

Poverty is self-induced in the long run, because people either never acquire the skills to move out of poverty, or trap themselves in a situation where they cannot afford the time and effort the skills to get out of poverty would entail (this essentially means people that have children far far too soon in life, and then no longer have the time, energy, or money to move ahead in life).

Bullshit. American society saw a tremendous rise in poor and middle classes in the 50's under Eisenhower, when taxes on the super rich were over 90%, by putting a shitload of that money into jobs building the country's infrastructure. Where do you think we got all these power plants, dams, bridges, and the highway system? The poor and middle class at the time had the ability to get ahead without being born into money. I'm not saying everything was perfect, but there was definitely more opportunity for the average guy to get ahead economically than there is today.

The economy was booming then because every industrialized economy on Earth except the USA had literally been annihilated in terms of productive capacity. Not hard to have the poor and middle class booming when there is a near limitless demand for industrial goods at home and abroad, and there are no other nations capable of manufacturing it, and robotics hadn't eliminated the labor required for making goods.

[–]CoriolanusRevisited0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for the gold, stranger.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

You chose your current job (and to stay there). You chose your degree path (and to stay on it). Nobody is stopping you from making a change.

I could go outside and lift a heavy rock 10,000 times today. This would be considered very hard work, right? Tell me where it would get me, though.

You need some level of foresight and intelligence to go along with hard work or it will be completely wasted.

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Youre failing to account for gentrification of jobs and education. If the poor working at a gas station cant afford to go to school (and no job without a degree pays better anyway) then how are they supposed to get ahead?

Its a barrier to entry that "hard work" cant bust through and for the past 40 years the government has set out to make it EVEN HARDER to get through that barrier.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Plenty of things you can learn to do without a degree. The internet enables people but most go home from their job and veg out in front of the TV rooting for their favorite sports team... accomplishing nothing.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Thats where education is gentrified. I can literally be issac newton and be a master of physics and engineering but without a DEGREE my knowledge is worthless unless i have either

  1. Connections (most of which people get in college for hiring paying jobs since most poor people dont just happen to be friends with someone in high earning careers by their nature)

Or

  1. Start my own company. Also worthless without someone to fund me, since im, yknow, poor. But thats hard to do without someone to vouch for me and god knows i cant save it without scraping the bottom of the barrel for nearly a decade and by then my best years are behind me. And of course the longer im around the higher chance i get someone pregnant, have a costly medical issue, or die.

Thats gentrification.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Nah. Plenty of good paying jobs without degree requirements if you can showcase your skills.

[–]Kalepsis1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Make a change to... ?

Exactly what career can anyone go into with no experience and make enough money to live anywhere?

I'm in aviation because I love aviation. But if I saw an opening for a career in which I'd make significantly more money with better prospects, I'd switch immediately. Problem is, those jobs do not exist (believe me, I've been looking). That's why people with master's degrees are working the counter at gas stations. That's why student loan debt is fucking insane right now. That's why so many people are unemployed or make so little they need government assistance. It's virtually impossible to switch fields if you don't have $250,000 sitting in the bank for college. And the more expensive it gets to go to school, the middle class will continue to get poorer, and poorer, and poorer.

My point was that these things are happening everywhere, in every field.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There is an incredible amount of information available at your fingertips.

Learn and practice design. Endless tutorials available online for free and you can get the adobe suite via creative cloud very cheaply. Your investment is time and effort.

Learn and practice web development. Many sites out there with cheap subscription models with hours and hours of content you can watch and practice. From there, you can run a VM on your local machine to work on your own websites without paying for a hosting account. Text editors are free. Your investment is time and effort.

Learn and practice SEO. You can get a ton of free information out there and make a shitty little website to practice getting ranked for certain keywords on a $5/mo hosting account. Your investment is time and effort.


You don't have to go be a fucking doctor; however, if you're unhappy with what you're making, you have the ability to gain the skills to easily get an entry level job in another field. The ones listed are the ones I have experience with, but I've seen many others with tons of information online free or cheap (music, IT, sales, etc). School is only a requirement for some very specific jobs. Plenty others out there where with some time and effort on your part in your free time, you'd be able to move into.

There's no oppressive system holding you down... just your lack of work to get somewhere else. Maybe you have to downgrade your living situation for 5 years in order to get through the entry level crap, but after that? The sky's the limit. You might even find a job which can help you pay for school!

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[–]Orig_analUse_rname0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

That's what I said before I even read his post. Poor planning and decsion making will produce, you guessed it, poor results. I'm 17 and black and poor. I'm picking medicine, why? Because it has good job prospects and can be done virtually anywhere. That's early on planning and as a result do I even sound like I'm going to be broke?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

So everyone should become a doctor then?

Cant wait to see what kind of money you make and how much schooling will cost for such an in demand career path

[–]Orig_analUse_rname1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Lol I've done enough research to understand the debt of doctors. Its not really crippling when you arent married with kids. Single man, making almost 200k at age 30? Girl, please. I'll be a hospitalist. That means I work a one-week-on-one-week-off shedule. Trust me I'm picking wisely.

But my point is to do research as early as possible. It doesnt necessarily have to be medicine.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Well youre assuming youre doing well as a doctor by 30, which im sure you will. Then no health issues befall you, especially not an expensive one, or any sort of auto accident, or god forbid a lawsuit. Not to mention anything happening to your parents or siblings.

My point though isnt that its somehow impossible just that even with everything stacked on your side from beginning to end youll be pretty alright.

And if you chose wrong and realized it at, say, 22. How far does that set you back exactly?

Edit: also not sure if it was clear before but i meant the debts and job availability if the market becomes flooded because people see becoming a doctor as the smart choice

[–]SgtBrutalisk[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I sympathize with your situation. My advice would be that you futureproof your life and choose a course of action that will work no matter what happens in the world. In the end, this means doing a creative job of some sort, as all manual labor will eventually become automated.

[–]dsade0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

The loopholes and deductions in the 50s brought that down to a fraction of 90%.

[–]Kalepsis1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, about 35-45%. But they exploit even more loopholes and deductions today, bringing them down even farther, from 35% to about 11%.

[–]noobforlife0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The entire campaign of Bernie Sanders in a nutshell:

Vote for me and I'll give you free shit.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/conservative-artist-crashes-bernie-sanders-art-exhibit-with-free-sht-signs/

It's funny how the conservative opinion now is the radical one.

[–]phrostbyt0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

you're being downvoted because people want to downvote you. why do you care? it's just the internet..

[–]Orig_analUse_rname-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Downvotes signify that people disagree, which would be strange given that what I said is true. So I questioned it appropriately. Why do you care that I care? See how dumb of a question that is?

[–]phrostbyt-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

i want to know why it bothers you. i'm curious.. that's why i asked

[–]Orig_analUse_rname-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Alright this was a dumb thing to get bent out of shape over. My bad bro.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Have a downvote for whining about downvotes.

[–]Nofap1921920 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Except you're not taxing the rich. You're taxing the people who have to bust their ass day and night to make ends meet. The rich people are chilling in their yatchs and spending all your tax money

[–]RichardBelmont23 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We already do this, but we call it a marriage discount instead of a bachelor's tax.

https://ttlc.intuit.com/questions/1894449-is-it-better-for-a-married-couple-to-file-jointly-or-separately

If the government actually calls it a bachelor's tax, it's a sign of how bad things have gotten.

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger17 points18 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Is this bachelor tax for men only, or for all singles age 35+?

[–]SgtBrutalisk[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Both genders. It is also not clear what would happen with men who were married and divorced.

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's not so different from the U.S. having separate married tax structures, except it has some kind of shaming element to it. E.g., "If you are 35 and aren't married, you're abusing the system and we're taxing you for it. It is expected that everybody will marry and support a household, and it's not fair that some people do so and you don't."

[–]The_Man_on_the_Wall18 points19 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I am not a John Galt / Ayn Rand type. Quite the opposite. But if the USA ever tried to institute a straight up tax on me because I fail to see the value in a one way contract then I will be forced to cash out all of my American investments and move to somewhere civilized.

[–]Nofap19219214 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Not many places left on the planet

[–]TheDayTrader1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

There is a bachelor's tax, its called a tax cut for marriage.

[–]The_Man_on_the_Wall0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes. And that is why I used the phrase "Straight Up"

That's considered an incentive to get married. Not a punishment for being single. What I mean is a straight up tax on a bachelor. Literally a punishment for being single. I know this is a small difference but a distinct one to me.

[–]bat_mayn0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Your choices are America or the "European Union". You will go to sleep tonight and tomorrow when you wake up the world will be under globalist rule.

[–]Reddthrown16 points17 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

There already is a "bachelor tax" in most the world. It's not called that, but it's the consequence of married couples getting a tax discount.

[–]Ounumen4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm married and I agree. There should be no child tax credit or break for being married.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Also known as EARNED INCOME TAX AND CHILD CREDITS.

I may not pay extra, but when single moms get back $8grand in tax refunds I can't help but feel like I'm paying a hidden bacholer tax

[–]Tamazin_10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So with 44% unemployement rate, your president want to fix it by forcing more people to have more children? Way to solve the problem! ._.

[–]Fuck_shadow_bans10 points11 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

This actually has historical precedence. Before the downfall of Rome, there was a bachelor tax instituted because men weren't getting married. Women were such huge sluts that there was no point in risking anything to have sex with them. The army obviously needed soldiers to support the empire, and so the bachelor tax was born. It didn't stop the inevitable downfall though.

[–]Nofap1921921 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

So whose gonna take over? Chinese or russians?

[–]Fuck_shadow_bans-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

According to OP, the new Islamic Caliphate. >_>

[–]1Snivellious8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm surprised by the amount of surprise here. As an economic matter, fining bad behavior isn't significantly different than rewarding the corresponding good behavior. After all, giving some people more moves prices to the disadvantage of everyone else - look at Saudi Arabia, where the benefits system has produced wage slavery for everyone not on the dole.

Plenty of countries have strong economic incentives to get married, or to have kids in the context of marriage. That's everything from tax breaks in the US to direct cash payments for having kids in Russia. Every country will do what it takes to shore up the population, with no real respect for its citizens. This is just a more explicit and easier-to-flee version of the same principle.

I think the biggest story here is just that it's become acceptable to talk in terms of fines rather than payouts for married people.

[–]GunsGermsAndSteel8 points9 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

There's gonna be a bachelorette tax as well, I assume?

[–]Nofap19219215 points16 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Yeah just like there's domestic violence and child support laws

[–]GunsGermsAndSteel1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Can you explain?

[–]Words-Are-Wind10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

He's being sarcastic and saying that domestic violence and child support laws apply only to men, so don't expect to see women who are 35 or older taxed.

[–]GunsGermsAndSteel2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh ok. Yeah I agree. While those laws are supposed to apply evenly to men and women, I think we have all seen plenty of situations in which they did not.

[–]Planner_Hammish0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Who would want an old maid? Those women should have listened to their grandmas

[–]RP-on-AF10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

He's saying those laws technically exist, but for all practicality they may as well not. The bachelor tax may be drafted to appear fair, but in reality that will not be the case.

[–]Redpill_Hannibal0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

"slut tax" for being non virgin, payed from wife to husband

[–]alclarkey5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I fucking called it. Institutionalized misandry is real.

[–]MeatCurtainRod5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

this is old news and a major part of why TRP exists. Men pay into the state via taxes of all forms. If they don't, they are considered useless and pathetic, even if they can't afford to pay said taxes. Women are married to the state via institutional dependency. This means women leech off the tax money that men are forced to pay into, which is something they have all taken for granted.

This is fucked up beyond belief. This government system got voted in by hanging a carrot off a stick in front of all the ignorant yuppy women promising them independence from the man. The only problem is, this selfish dream of independence only transfers dependance from a working man over to the government, all the while taking even more money from the man, skimming a chunk off the top, and giving whatever small leftover to the pathetic woman. The result is a few generations of useless angry and depressed women who can't figure out that they are in such a pathetic state because they choose to live adult life like dependent toddlers, and with no achievements to show for since they grew up with nothing but handouts. The repercussions are a super high divorce rate, and generations of dysfunctional children and families.

This also brings into life the whole pathetic debate between "career man" and "career woman". The problem is that every man is expected to work, and expected to NOT be stay-at-home, so his only option is to become a career man. Women, on the other hand is rare to be a career woman because she still has the freedoms to be stay at home and jobless and child-raising without any burdens of social stigma.

[–]HappyScribe19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I identify as a woman, and feel a spinster tax would be discriminatory.

[–]noobforlife2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like what Rome did during its collapse. Haha let's see how well this goes for them. They want to push B&H into the broken EU. This coming from a guy who was born there before the war.

[–]hke122 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Something like this was planned in Hungary

After the outrage they didn't talk about it anymore

[–]csehszlovakze0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

don't worry, it will come back in a few years. most people didn't think they'd actually force most stores to close on sundays and they did...

[–]MuhTriggersGuise2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"The beatings will continue until morale is improved"

What flawless logic.

[–]1mojo_juju2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just one look at the deadbedrooms sub is enough to make me shudder and reaffirm my understanding of martial "relations"

holy fuck. i want to puke every time i visit that sub. yet I cant help but snicker. reminds me of this 19 year old guy I know who has a child. I'm thinking along the lines of "uhh... how could you not see that you were totally fucking yourself over, way in advance?" or "why not donate that brain to science, if you're not gonna use it, smart guy?"

it makes me want to interview married guys. but, i figure I see enough postings on TRP to corroborate the DBR trend. ...still, it would be cool to have a documentary on the effect.

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[–]Datruyugo9 points10 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Trust me...Eritrea is nowhere near feminist.

[–]1Snivellious5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This story seems pretty deeply irrelevant. The government there is paying men to take extra wives because the war left them with such a horrible gender imbalance. They're also threatening women with life in prison if they oppose their husband's taking a second wife.

If anything, it's a pretty good example of the redpill sentiment that men are more disposable because they don't share women's 1:1 role in childbearing.

[–]SgtBrutalisk[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

A lot of immigrants to EU in the last year's wave seem to be from Eritrea. They mentioned obligatory lifelong military service. Do you know anything else about life in Eritrea?

[–]1Snivellious1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

All I can give you is an outline: poor, authoritarian, war-torn, and fairly Islamic.

It's a religious country, with elements of sharia law, but like most dictatorships the religious thing gets pushed aside when it inconveniences the rulers. In theory it's a democracy with universal suffrage, but they keep crying 'war!' to overrule that.

50% of the people live in poverty, per capita GDP of $1,200, so it's really quite poor. Incessant war with Ethiopia has made that worse, and killed off a big chunk of the young male population for limited reason. That's probably also driving a lot of the immigration: dying in some dictator's stupid war really sucks.

Virtually nothing in the way of anticorruption, media freedom, or human rights. It's basically Syria, but too small and out of the way for anyone to try and help them.

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[–]memphisjohn4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's about power... it's always about power... the "ism" whether it's feminism, socialism, communism, free marketism... the ism is just the cover story.. the real story is always about power and subjugation.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

How in the absolute fuck does this "stimulate people to get a job"??????

[–]mfkrspeaksenglish1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Make sense. The government, as ultimate alpha, fucks women in the ear to gain votes and all men, betas, bucks for all this fuckery.

[–]ktchong1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Does the bachelor tax apply to only men or both men and women?

[–]SgtBrutalisk[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Both. But we know it's going to be applied to men only.

[–]bat_mayn1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It would be both, but domestic violence, sex crime and child custody laws are "for both", but we all know how that works.

[–]Blackierobinsin1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would marry another man who could satisfy me

[–]bat_mayn1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So it begins. Many people have been talking about this, that due to the falling marriage rates, and the general unwillingness of the modern man to be totally shit on, that western countries will start with a single male tax.

It's not enough that men do the most work, and that some men just want to live their lives in peace. They have to be reminded with a slap in the face they are beholden to a gynocentric statist tyranny. It is evident that western countries are failing rapidly, and nations around the globe are going to start to fall - with a very eager globalist state ready to bring them into the fold.

What a disgusting world, it is absolutely undeserving of any quality man.

[–]BannedBandit1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

It entertains me that there are friends of mine, and some posters on this sub who think this won't happen in just about every western country in the next few decades unless we have a serious revolution.

The amount of people who think women should be paid the same as men for the same damn job is growing. SJWs have infected the education system and the millennial generation will be the biggest bunch of cucks history has seen.

[–]Limekill0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

In USA they introduced a bachelor tax and then had to dump it because of the constitution. However they can give tax credits/vouchers/etc to married couples, however as most people are too dumb to read the fine print the media will report this as putting up taxes and the voters will tend to reject this.

Well thats what I think...

[–]BannedBandit0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Hillary has already stated her intention to bring something like this in.

[–]Limekill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well I looked it up Hillary & Bachelor tax on google and couldn't find anything.... The biggest thing she said was a 4% tax on CapGains and Super Rich ($5m+ income, at this income level most of these guys are not being paid by 'working' per se, but are paid to be something - like CEO, etc).

In fact Dalrock doesn't believe we are going to get one either: https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2014/12/21/the-unworkable-bachelor-tax/

Success has been had with a childless tax on Both women and men. But is that really a bad thing? People have a problem with immigration and encouraging people to get together younger may reduce the chance of women riding the cock carousel. There are ALWAYS trade offs, so if you want less immigration, you have to make it up somewhere else.

[–]1nzgs1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Typical low-IQ leftist politician sadly. His country's economy is in the dumps and his solution is to tax the most productive members of society more, just wow. Not to mention a lot of those bachelors would simply emigrate away ruining the economy further.

[–]gizmozed1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

As if the reason for the high unemployment rate is that no one wants to work. Sure, creating such a tax is certain to create jobs. In the mind of idiots.

[–]Avskygod03 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I am confuse

On one hand, it's Dodik mađija, on the other this isn't nice

Bosnian women aren't shitty like modern western ones tho

[–]Etbidlepro0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Man you do understand almost no one takes Dodik seriously at this point? The asshole has threatened secession at least twenty times. A bachelor tax ain't never gonna happen.

[–]alritealritealrite0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Only tax single men? No women? That's crazy

[–]shelcod0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well considering the only people who benefit from marriage are the government, marriage counselor and divorce lawyer. I wouldn't be surprised if more countries start implementing bull shit like this.

[–]VVictisVVdWVud0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The way I see it the US already has a bachelor tax. If Everyone who is not a bachelor pays less tax, its pretty much the same thing right?

their gain is my pain and vice versa

[–]Philhelm0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think that the people who are stating that they'd marry a dude in order to evade taxes are looking at things the wrong way. There comes a point when a government may simply need to be put to the sword.

[–]garlicextract0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean, is the bachelor tax 50%? Seems like you're still coming out on top paying it.

[–]Pastelitomaracucho0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't women also have to pay a bachelorette tax? This point is really important.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The United States already has a bachelor tax, they just hide it..

If your a single male do you receive: Earned income tax credits? no Child tax credits? nope

By not getting a discount your paying more

[–]beginner_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know about US but here you actually already have a3 bachelor tax or let's say a childless tax. Albeit it's the same for both genders. Depending in with region you live you actually pay more taxes if you are married because your salaries are added up. The actually amount per $ earned is lower.

Still married and no kids is very stupid of course also for other reasons. However if you have kids you get extra money per kid and you can deduct expense made on them from taxes. Plus even if you are unmarried you now get taxed by the "married rate" which is lower. If you have a high income you will save thousands a year on taxes. of course less than the kid costs but it's still a hidden bachelor tax.

[–]Skandalous-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

A lot of whining for TRP. The world isn't fair, endure and get over yourself. Your embellished anecdotal evidence is garbage. Ignore anything that has to do with taxation as people don't list where they live and are vague as fuck.

[–]SgtBrutalisk[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd rather not say where I live since SJW femnazis are obsessed with trawling through TRP and doxxing (harassing) users. Besides, I have given you a primary source.

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