Respect is earned

Bearhardy · 2014-10-01T16:22:33+00:00

there is always going to be someone better than you

IllimitableMan · 2014-10-02T00:16:36+00:00

The part where she spends all night with this other guy talking about how they’re going to fuck, making sure she has sure thing lined up before dumping her boyfriend – that’s cheating, too. Just as much as fucking the guy would be.

Hypergamous branch swing upgrade. Emotional cheating setting a precedent for sexual cheating.

Once she doesn’t need you any more, she doesn’t need to lie to you any more.

Because she's on that fucking lease. Bitches be sneaky.

That’s stuff she’s telling him for his benefit to let him down easy. She doesn’t benefit from that.

True but for your average guy aka beta aka clueless chump - this is a fucking ball stomping. Small potatoes to you and I is a huge fucking deal for johnny average out there. Remember TRP stacks the deck heavily in your favour, IMO, TRP = the social equivalent of insider trading.

Think about what we’re asking of this girl, or of women in general, if we expect loyalty

Loyalty? Oh ma GAWD MUH TRIGGER. UhhhhHHhHhHhHhHhH these hoes ain't LOYYY-ALLLL. Fuck sake. Chris Brown keeps possessing me spontaneously despite my lack of enthusiastic consent.

That’s not a fair thing to ask of women. It’s not her responsibility to stay with you on principle alone. It’s your responsibility to be the kind of man who doesn’t get dumped or cheated on. It’s your responsibility to earn her respect, every minute of every day. If she passes on a better offer just on principle, she’ll spend the rest of your soon-to-be-very-short-lived relationship resenting you, finding fault in everything about you, suddenly “realizing” how unhappy she is.

Even though I don't take too well to this kind of passive "you're the man so it's all your fault" kind of language, I have to agree with the general premise. If you CAN'T COMMAND RESPECT, or INSPIRE IT - you won't get it. With men/or women. Obviously women are more pragmatic and less honourable generally speaking, plus they're who you want to fuck - so the chances of getting burned are higher with them. Don't think a guy who doesn't respect you won't burn you either though. It's that simple. Women are relentless with this shit. Their love is entirely based on adoration stemming from respect for your superiority. That's superiority relative to her. If a better option comes along, the comparison becomes a three way (no pun intended) and if he trumps you, she'll be tempted to branch swing. If they don't respect you as being THE SHIT then they can't [truly] love you. So yes despite "fairness" (female nature isn't fucking fair, but it is what it is) this is quite right. If she's ditching your ass it doesn't mean she's not a cunt, but it means she's got better options. Bitches be pragmatic. Cut your losses and if it's your style, get revenge.

I, for one, don’t want women to be loyal, principled, and honorable. That would just encourage me to get lazy.

Disagree. Women would be a lot more fucking likeable with these traits. As it stands you're on shaky ground. Her loyalty being directly chained to your power, unless you're quite the head-fucker (why do you think so many guys care about the DT) average alpha gets circumstantial loyalty. Mr "I own your mind and blow you away with 50 shades of grey style fucking" owns her body and soul, and will alpha widow her for fucking eternity, effectively making her a "toxic asset" on the dating market.

In relation to the previous paragraph: Law 41 is a fucking bitch. If you translate it into the "48 laws of TRP" law 41 (don't step into a "great" man's shoes) would be "don't date a bitch who used to fuck with a dark triad alpha" so that's your drug dealers, your murderers, your sadistic types, convicts, those really IDGAF to the core kinds of people who really aren't right in the head but had all the charm and cunning to get her enthralled. If she had a relationship with a guy like that just run for the fucking hills you will never have more of an emotional effect on her than he did. Which means over in solipsistic girl world, over in their little head of hers, you're inferior to him, you're not the "best she ever had" because "you don't make her feel as passionately as CLIVE the Cocaine Connect." You could be a billionaire ripped famous motherfucker with all the game in the world and you'd still be the fucking beta bux to her in spite of your SMV. You won't even put a dent into what that guy did to her. She's fucking spoilt. Fucked up. Deflowered mentally. Cut and run.

Women could be all these things, and you know, not wanting to starve to death, my material desires, and having intellectual passion would inspire me to NOT BE lazy. I guess you're right some guys wouldn't do shit over-sexed, but plenty of guys have passions aside from sex. Some people think the only reason we have passions is because we hope we'll get laid from having them. But I disagree. You have passion for the sake of passion. A mission for liking the fuck out of something and finding it interesting - not because you think "hey, neurology might get me laid so IMMA DO THAT!" it's not like doing gender studies, is it? Haha.

I think the constant dread of "If I'm not on top of my shit, I'm gonna lose everything" is not a strong place to be coming from. It's true, it's the nature of the game, but being aware of it AND BEING SIGNIFICANTLY INVESTED AKA MARRIED/LTR is a losers game. I understand guys want companionship, a lot of you are romantics and you're scared of being lonely as you get older - but you're losing when you give her the commitment jackpot.

You're in a perpetual war known as "a relationship" or "marriage" hoping that you can keep this war between husband and wife in a fucking limbo so she doesn't cash out into government/judicial sanctioned victory. Can't slip too much. Can't lose your job. Better not get sick for too long. Can't fail too many shit tests or catch a mother fucking break. Because what happens if you cave? Your world crumbles around you. Relationships are TRP on hard mode because IMO, in a culture where society isn't stacking the deck in the man's favour, the FICKLENESS of women pre-disposes them to cut and run on your ass. When you treat men and women as legal equals, due to how women love, you make monogamy merely possible rather than probable. They are fickle, briffaults law whoring motherfuckers. If you're not close to perfect in your game, health, money, and one other guy interested in her trumps you in most of those fields - you're fucked. Royally. On that point, don't LTR anything over a 7 if you want a crack at love, the hot bitches have too much power and you have less room for error. If you want to fuck hot girls, plate 'em.

I can definitely understand the angle I think you were getting at, which is that an over-sexed and well-fed man is a lazy man, but I think it's weak reasoning for justifying the fickleness of female nature, and even, condoning it. Female nature is pretty fucking shit. Yeah it's possible to come to terms with it, but justifying FICKLENESS as a positive or even acceptable trait is an escapade in hamstering. Realising and accepting aren't the same shit. I realise bitches are fickle, but I don't accept their fickleness. Just because I realise they are like this, I don't have to like it (Accept it.) You can love women all you like, but what you love is inherently shitty on a morbidly profound level of significance. And I can see why a guy craving to love wants to fucking reconcile his need to love with the nature of women. I get that, I do. I really do. It's so shit your love has to delude you, and I see it seep into how guys "in-love" or trying to make an LTR work, think. I'm here to cut through that impairment. As long as you realise that, but choose to love regardless, for your own sake/happiness, then cool. But let's not get shit twisted. You LTR guys mellow the fuck out and get really rose-tinted. Careful.

BrunoOh · 2014-10-01T16:08:32+00:00

We disrespect her because all she's doing is swinging branches. Despite happily sitting on a branch, she sees a fancier branch, she jumps to the higher branch, falls down after a couple of fucks and comes back crying to the boyfriend.

It's all 'maturing', 'exploring her sexuality', 'finding herself'. Euphemisms for hypergamy.

PersianDj · 2014-10-01T21:33:37+00:00

Suppose Zac Efron moved next door,expressed interest in your GF and she broke up with you in order to be with him.

My question is could she control her lust? Could anyone for that matter?

This is how fragile relationships are.A richer sexier person approaches her and maybe she denies because she is taken , but deep inside she really wants him.

She'll vent out all her frustation on you because you cost her a chance at a greater relationship.

& This is why traditions matter.Religion matters.When you are trained since childhood that doing something is wrong ,feeling something is wrong, you are able to supress your wild nature over a long time with a lot of success.

Human beings are fucked up and if they are not disciplined , everything will run riot.

ss_camaro · 2014-10-01T21:55:44+00:00

nobody in her right mind

The idea that respect is "earned" or "logical" with women is absolutely ludicrous (Briffault's Law). The best you can do is leverage and dread them. If those two don't hold, you have to cut your unexpected (emotional?) losses as cleanly as you can by never having gotten entangled in financial or legal obligations in the first place. Game uses attraction triggers, but those same triggers can work for someone else. Attraction and respect are two entirely different concepts.

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RejectionEquality · 2014-10-01T19:10:27+00:00

This post is sidebar material. Right at the top of the required reading list.

kick6 · 2014-10-01T18:47:18+00:00

Think about what we’re asking of this girl, or of women in general, if we expect loyalty. We’re asking that if a woman meets another man who’s better than you – be it better looking, higher status, more wealth/security, better social acumen, more interesting skills and hobbies and shit to talk about, whatever – that she pass on this better opportunity solely because you came along first. Essentially, we’re asking women to only commit to a relationship with you if she expects to be with you forever. She can never cheat, never dump you for a better offer. Just stick around forever, or until you dump her. Because apparently, it’s a race and you came along first, so anyone who comes along later must be ignored.

It's not about coming first, it's about relationship equity. The short is "I put in a lot of fucking work putting up with your shit, you 'owe' me an equal amount in return instead of hitting eject for the next thing that comes by."

Yes, it doesn't exist because of women's nature, but it's NOT an unreasonable thing to request, really. We as men give our longest friends the benefit of the doubt when they've fucked up exactly for the same relational equity you're saying we can't expect from women. Once again, it's not reality...but in a time of purported equality, it's certainly not unreasonable.

nosesandsight · 2014-10-01T16:09:39+00:00

Yes! These are the kinda posts that keep me coming back to TRP. Hypergamy is actually a wonderful thing, the more I improve myself, the higher my SMV gets, the hotter the girls that I can choose from. This same structure doesn't apply to women, no amount of knowledge, career advance or new skill sets is gonna make a mediocre girl attractive.

whatsazipper · 2014-10-02T02:06:13+00:00

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[deleted] · 2014-10-01T23:12:12+00:00

It's hilarious how beta men get shit on by both sides. Red pill guys say it's his fault for not leading and building a sense of respect in his girlfriend. Feminists say stuff like "it's because men socialized her to like assholes" or "she's only exploring her sexuality."

tl;dr don't be a blue pill guy

vengefully_yours · 2014-10-02T05:49:02+00:00

Sure thing, except women are absolutely shit at being able to tell what is better, who is better, and what the best choice would be. There is a reason that every one of my ex girlfriends, and honestly both wives, wish they had me back. One wants me again and its been thirty fucking years. They make shitty choices think the grass is greener, and jump the fence to find out its purple AstroTurf painted green with lead based paint.

Sure if you are a loser, don't earn respect, and let her run over you, then yeah you fucked up and why should she stay? However when she leaves for a jobless tool that isn't alpha, isn't dominant, he is simply an asshole with no real value, they deserve what they get. They make incredibly bad choices based on very poor observations, and then claim their ex is abusive, raped her, was controlling, and every other bullshit justification. The hamster tells them its not their fault, but they made the bad choice, they simply want to blame you for it.

12090205182025 · 2014-10-01T15:55:19+00:00

The other guy is going to fuck her and next her, because statistically speaking alphas are not looking for ltr and she probably is not a 10 anyway. So she's trading down, and that's disrespectful and disloyal.

Unless she doesnt want ltr, in which case the story premise makes no sense, why are they a couple to begin with.

oldredder · 2014-10-01T16:37:57+00:00

Another great post.

If your woman respects you then she won't give her number out or meet a new guy for a drink.

JP_Whoregan · 2014-10-01T17:28:33+00:00

Gonna copy one of my comments from that thread here, as it's relevant:

It's mystifying that men will reject the notion that their woman is hypergamous (basically "but my GF is special and she's a NAWALT"), then be surprised/shocked/angry that her woman is indeed hypergamous. Loyalty isn't a female virtue, it' a male virtue. If the 4chan OP wanted loyalty, he should've bought a dog. If he wants a woman, he better be the best man in her life.

Remember that stupid line from Talladega Nights where Ricky Bobby says

"If you're not first, you're last?"

Well, ironically, that satirical bullshit actually has some truth to it. When it comes to women, if you aren't a top tier man in her eyes, you're literally invisible. You don't exist.

"Why can women be so harsh and cold when they break up with me?", men ask? Easy. It's hard to have guilty feelings about hurting a person that doesn't exist.

These bitter/judgmental comments are coming from a lot of guys still in their anger phase. Listen guys:

Disloyalty is NOT a character flaw of women. It's in their nature and their biology. Women seeking the best genes is how the human race has evolved to the state it is in today. It's evolution at work, just on a micro scale. Shaming them for it is an effort in futility that will only damage your own psyche. Stop complaining that the rules of the game are not balanced in your favor, and learn to start playing by the rules that are actually in place.

tl;dr, - Don't hate the player, hate the game. Learn to play it, or STFU with the whining.

[deleted] · 2014-10-01T18:15:20+00:00

If you don't work on yourself, don't expect to be in demand.

Thanks OP, many believe that they are the only ones entitled to spin plates.

Who in their right mind would stay with a 4, if you can get an 8?

selfsufficientnigga · 2014-10-01T22:00:23+00:00

The most confusing thing for men like that is that they are simply blind to the fact that women don't see other people like men do.

Men see other people as peers. Women see other people as resources.

They will keep trying to fit women's behavior into their own paradigm/interpretation of the world, but it won't work until they realize this.

lloopy · 2014-10-02T00:19:47+00:00

It's not a case of "she should pick me because I found her first". It's a case of "she committed to me, and she should honor that commitment". It was an engagement-we're-living-together deal, not a gf/bf deal.

She's not going to get a good deal on this one. The new guy's going to have fun with her, and then move on. When she gets to the point where she'd like him to meet her family, or where she wants a commitment from him, he'll decline, because he knows she won't honor any commitment that she's made, especially the til-death-do-us-part kind.

RedPillSafe · 2014-10-01T19:53:57+00:00

Dread based "Marriage 1.0" worked great.

95% of marriages in the 1800's functioned okay and without divorce.

While I appreciate the need to adapt and endure the laws of the present we can't forget that these laws really shouldn't be this way.

"Marriage 2.0" is only sustained by the woman's fickle sense of "happiness". This is simply too weak of a contract to be taken seriously.

PlanB_pedofile · 2014-10-02T04:07:17+00:00

Doing these things for men also doesn't earn respect either.

One of my mates, a great guy, we talk, hang out, I even helped him move. I'm that typical "nice guy" that is willing to make room in my schedule just to help another bro out.

anyhow... I found myself being this guy's so called orbiter. That dude that is willing to my effort forward without compensation.

I've helped him on a few business ventures. I've heard through the grapevine that he has a contact that I too wanted dibs on. Chatted and texted my eagerness to join him on this venture. Granted, I'm not interested in stealing it from him or anything, I just want an opportunity to put my work in to gain a slice of the pie. After all, i've thrown him many scraps in business. After dogging around and avoiding my advances, it came to my knowledge he let 4 other of his buddies in on the deal and left me in total dark.... What even stung worse was he gave them the opportunity without a single one of them putting in effort!

Out of all the times helping this dude out and tossing him bones, he doesn't have the courtesy to toss one back! Didn't even offer me to work for it!

No fucking loyalty.... that goes for women and men! I didn't somehow "earn" his respect.

This post is a good resonator of what people whom are respected actually do.

Brap180 · 2014-10-02T05:15:30+00:00

So what happens when she leaves you for someone who has LESS value than you do? Is the man to blame for this as well? Honestly curious, would like RPs viewpoint on this.

Frozen_Tundra · 2014-10-02T05:42:39+00:00

Something society tells us daily, actually: Respect is earned.

Actually I think society is telling us the exact opposite which may be leading to many of the problems we are witnessing.

Respect has become an entitlement rather than something to be earned.

oldredder · 2014-10-02T07:01:45+00:00

No woman who will do that is worthy of me. That's respect. Self-respect.

Until a woman can prove she won't be like that she gets no closer than sucking my dick. I may not even let her know where I live, forget dating her.

bluedrygrass · 2014-10-02T13:30:07+00:00

So, basically, what you are saying is, that every man SHOULD cheat on his girlfriend/wife as soon as he sees a better woman.

This is your reasoning, and this is what comes out reversing roles in what you wrote:

"Think about what we’re asking of this guy, or of men in general, if we expect loyalty. We’re asking that if a man meets another woman who’s better than you – be it better looking, higher status, more wealth/security, better social acumen, more interesting skills and hobbies and shit to talk about, whatever – that he pass on this better opportunity solely because you came along first. Essentially, we’re asking men to only commit to a relationship with you if he expects to be with you forever. He can never cheat, never dump you for a better offer. Just stick around forever, or until you dump him. Because apparently, it’s a race and you came along first, so anyone who comes along later must be ignored.

That’s not a fair thing to ask of men. It’s not his responsibility to stay with you on principle alone. It’s your responsibility to be the kind of woman who doesn’t get dumped or cheated on. It’s your responsibility to earn his respect, every minute of every day. If he passes on a better offer just on principle, he’ll spend the rest of your soon-to-be-very-short-lived relationship resenting you, finding fault in everything about you, suddenly “realizing” how unhappy he is."

To me, it sounds like you're falling in the old violet mistake of taking responsibility for you female's faults too.

cooltrip · 2014-10-02T15:23:25+00:00

Be only nice to nice women. Treat women according to how women treat you. Don't be nice to a woman because she's not nice to you: this is what betas do.

mainst · 2014-10-01T18:30:35+00:00

I actually find it interesting how much more direct and honest women are toward men that they don’t respect.

I disagree. Women are never direct. 100% she already fucked the neighbor. This is just her way of protecting her image.

favours_of_the_moon · 2014-10-01T19:06:27+00:00

The problem is that women aren't brainiacs.

They're living in the moment, they don't care about the long term consequences. The bright shiny new toy seems SUPER NEATO, until the next morning when you realize it's a painted over piece of shit.

But hey, they kids will get over the breakup someday. And after all, she'll just take half your shit and half of everything you'll ever earn as a consolation prize.

[deleted] · 2014-10-01T19:59:25+00:00

I think you're missing something entirely. There is no possible way that girl can judge a guy is better than her previous boyfriend in one night. The reason everyone is aghast is because this girl had decided after months and months that the original guy was worth sharing a lease with. In one night she threw it all away because of a supposedly just conversation (lol). Either she was flawed in her very long original appraisal of her boyfriend or it was a major flaw in judgement for the new guy.

I don't care how witty or intelligent you come off. I would never throw away my partner because of one sparkling night of conversation. Even in the most cold and calculated of mindsets it's just not enough information. That's abandoning your intellect for fireworks. What most TRP see when looking at this girl is a child whose course in life is dictated completely by her swaying emotions.

tallwheel · 2014-10-02T03:11:47+00:00

Think about what we’re asking of this girl, or of women in general, if we expect loyalty. We’re asking that if a woman meets another man who’s better than you – be it better looking, higher status, more wealth/security, better social acumen, more interesting skills and hobbies and shit to talk about, whatever – that she pass on this better opportunity solely because you came along first.

Um. Yeah. Of course we do. Women ask the very same of men. If you were living with a GF and a hotter, higher SMV woman moved in next door and you found out she was willing to hook up, would you do it? Wouldn't you feel bad about doing it? You made a promise of loyalty to your GF because she, indeed, happened to come along first and it seemed like a good deal at the time. Would you expect your GF to just accept it when you told her about it, cause hey, that's just how men are, right? You can't blame men for their base nature of wanting to bang hotter women, and have the hottest woman possible to call his own.

Kaelteth · 2014-10-01T20:32:27+00:00

The bottom line of it all...

(Assuming sexual theory in meeting/fucking women) - who the fuck are any of us to judge a woman for reaching for the next branch? Isn't that what we're doing every minute of every day? Isn't that what we care about too - finding a woman that's attractive, caring, and not a feminist victim of the phallic oppression...at least for a LTR?

TRP isn't about changing women. It's about understanding women, and ourselves, to make us the most desirable of her choices.

I'm married. Over 20 years. And if my wife were to leave me to swing to another branch...that's MY fucking fault for failing to be a leader and provider. I failed frame, or I let myself get fat, or I lost my job and am just sitting on my fat ass at home, or any of a myriad of reasons. She's allowed to divorce me and fuck whomever she chooses...hell, as much as its "morally wrong" (bwahahahaa), if I'm a loser douchebag she's gonna fuck whomever she chooses without the divorce too.

TRP is about making sure I'm the best fucking man I can be. That I'm constantly improving myself, and by doing so am constantly reaffirming to my wife why she married me in the first place. It's taking care of her, and my family, because that's what being a fucking man is (while obviously I don't let this tread all over me either, and what we BOTH make goes to the family, none of this whats-mine-is-mine bullshit from her either).

If I wanted to whine about every time some slut jumps branches, or gets a pussypass, I got to /r/mensrights or /r/pussypass or /r/relationships, not the fucking red pill. Yeah, they're examples of what we teach is real, but is anyone really surprised anymore? Shit, we're usually the branch these whores are swinging to, not swinging from. My brother-in-law was a fucking doormat...now he's fucking anything he desires that comes his way, because he understands he's better than these beta losers that can't hold on to their women. We're the fucking winners here folks.

So fine, let the slut be a slut. (If I wasn't married) she can jump on my dick anytime she wants. Sure, I won't date her, but to get my dick wet a night? It's better that she's a slut. Like shooting fish in a fucking barrel.

AgentSmith27 · 2014-10-01T20:45:34+00:00

I agree and disagree with different parts of what you wrote.

I wholeheartedly agree that keeping someone's interest is about more than coming along first. In order for someone to continue to be with you, you have to be someone they enjoy being around and want to be with. Amongst other things, it means staying attractive (e.g. not getting fat), and being good company.

By being a selfish ass who puts himself first and does what he wants, even at the expense of others sometimes, the whole world bends at the knee and chases after you, trying to win your validation.

Here is where I disagree a bit. Being walked over will definitely lose you respect. Being a servant to your wife, or anyone really, will lead to people expecting that from you... that essentially leads to a lack of respect.

However, going too far on the other end of the spectrum will also lose you respect. From my observation, being entirely self centered and unaccommodating will probably work for a while, but I've noticed it often builds resentment. People realize that you are all about yourself, and they will most certainly take notice.

I've seen this create a lot of negativity in relationships, and lead to sort of a continually escalating hostility and unhappiness. Again, this happens over longer periods of time. The short term solution for them, as you said, is to "try harder" to avoid immediate conflict. People take the "easy way out" in the short term... but if they perceive this to be a long term problem, they will choose to leave if they are presented with the option.

In the past, I think we've seen a lot more women stay with their SO in this type of guy because of dependencies (finances, housing, etc)... but this is increasingly less the case.

I think its a fine line to walk. You can't be a pushover, and you have to assert yourself, but you still have to be fair - even if you are in "control". I think this leads to the most respect, because you aren't overtly showing yourself to be weak and passive... but by being the "maintainer of fairness", it comes off as being reasonable and not entirely self centered.

[deleted] · 2014-10-01T21:23:43+00:00

Thanks for the motivation to continue studying right after I write this comment instead of continuing surfing reddit.

Ojisan1 · 2014-10-01T22:24:00+00:00

You do not earn respect by respecting others. You earn respect by respecting you.

That's one worth remembering.

barmaleo · 2014-10-01T22:40:03+00:00

Just adding a point.
That girl moved on and scraped her relationship much earlier than she told 4chan op about it. If it wasnt for next door guy it would have been someone else.
Perhaps she just been waiting for that particular point when all the things are settled in her favor - lease, things being moved, etc. and then get rid of her last obstacle - the no longer needed boyfriend.
It is not the respect that is the case, respect for that matter is just a coefficient that increase or reduce the probability of the drama above. It does not change the tactics and behaviour of a woman. Woman will still be playing her best card against the man. And this is what causes the shitstorm. Women can't play equally against men, so they bring the knife to a fistfight. Surprise, deceit, manipulation and cold calculation. Rollo says women communicate covertly, I'd add that their way of handling conflicts and breakups is done in exactly the same way. Because that is the only way for them that works even though it's been said and men been warned about it hundreds and hundreds of times through out the years.
Women hacked mens paternal instinct, the way they look and act makes male monkey brain shout "Protect and fuck it!" and the last thing that monkey brain expects is that this "helpless child" will act like a very rational and calculating psychopath.
This what I would take from that story. If you pull a pussy on your face so low you can no longer see, you will get fucked over because despite all irrationality, childish behaviour and sumissiveness women can act like a cold-blooded murderer if they need to, and this is their most dangerous weapon against a the man. No matter how much she respects you she will play you if she wants.

AllOrDeath · 2014-10-02T00:21:32+00:00

An alternative is removing monogamy from the equation. Then no one needs to be chosen over any one else.

Azrael_Manatheren · 2014-10-02T01:42:45+00:00

I have always said this.

Being an alpha is based on competence. If you are competent you will be an alpha. If you are not you wont.

Everyone sees competence whether they want to or not. Its why ~~girls~~ everyone flocks to those that have it. Its honestly as simple as two things...

Can you?

and

Do you?

If the answer to those is yes you are alpha. There is no being lazy because there is too much to master and too much to become competent at. As much as I hate to link it here this poem should be known by all If by Ruyard Kipling

MyDarkSideOfTheMoon · 2014-10-02T01:53:56+00:00

Another way is to be as physically attractive as possible. I used to be fat and noticed the women I wanted to fuck wouldn't, because I was fat. And i totally respect that, why should they? So I lost weight, jogged hit the bench press and have noticed more than usual staring, hell they're coming up to me now. Ive noticed something, you see a lot of these business career women with blue collar men. And you meet them and they're strong and handsome as shit. Maybe they just want someone handsome to fuck? And some arent as concerned about wealth. it bites into their primitive cave woman mentality to go for the physically strongest cave man. Just a thought. And for me? i dont give a penny to their name, i still wont let them own me even if I have a blue collar job.

PolishHammerMK · 2014-10-02T04:12:01+00:00

http://i.imgur.com/SCiT1Kd.png

The original post from 4chan in case anyone is interested.

fhghg · 2014-10-02T11:12:19+00:00

Respect comes from a body of work. Self respect allows the work to be done. That's it. Self respect as an end in itself is cargo culting. Sure respected people respect themselves, but they are really only respected by others for their achievements.

brotherjustincrowe · 2014-10-02T11:54:36+00:00

Hating women for their hypergamous nature makes as much sense as hating dogs for sniffing each others' butts. It's what they do. He knew she was a woman when he signed the lease with her.

thenotorious88 · 2014-10-02T12:32:02+00:00

Agree 100%, respect is earned and must be maintained (which is why holding frame is so important)

It's also 100% true that regardless of how clean you eat, how hard to train at the gym, how focused you are in your career progression there will always be someone out there who is two steps ahead of you. Could be because of their superior genetics, or born into a privileged family. Regardless of the "fairness" we have to accept the reality... the whole idea of the red pill.

Which brings me onto my next point, while comparing yourself with males is almost a natural thought its imperative you do what’s best your life trajectory. It can be healthy to analyse areas where someone you perceive more "alpha" in order to help you gain understanding/plans to also make gains in those areas. But you must also be able to recognize those thoughts and not beat yourself up, especially things out of your control. These are the times where buckle down and refocus on your goals.

Finally, my last point I'd like to make regarding the initial post and what i've typed so far is the benefits of running a captain/first mate model if you decide to offer your commitment. While hindsight is always a bitch, it’s worth noting tying up your legal commitments with a relationship (in this case a lease) makes things a lot more difficult. But regardless, if you are a strong captain, youre sailing a ship destined for your own greatness and if your first mate decides to jump ship well, cya later dickhead i'll wave at you flapping around in the water should your future ships sink. No life boat here bitch. Captain a tight ship and you’ll have plenty more first mate to choose from.

Overzealous_BlackGuy · 2014-10-02T13:20:03+00:00

Yeah she wasn't won't for leaving but she could have approached it differently, she could've just left without those details...and atleast worked something out for the new apartment

bluedrygrass · 2014-10-02T14:41:22+00:00

Women need to be subject to standards, expectations and controls like men are but because they’re not (anymore) we have absolute social anarchy now.

walkingfauxpas · 2014-10-02T16:04:53+00:00

Totally agree with this premise. This is exactly why I keep myself as well-rounded as possible, so (hypothetical) SO won't suffer from 'Grass is Greener' syndrome. It's fair game until marriage.

Sweetmoe · 2014-10-03T00:48:46+00:00

It’s your responsibility to earn her respect, every minute of every day.

This part is off. It's about respecting yourself and yes being the type of man who doesn't get dumped or cheated on, but that is for you not for her. SHE is along for YOUR ride.

ToFaceA_god · 2014-10-21T09:21:23+00:00

I wish I would have read this before posting what I did yesterday. This was the idea I was trying to get across. It was poorly worded on my part. I am new to these ideas and am still processing TRP.

Rollo-Tomassi · 2014-10-01T22:35:22+00:00

http://therationalmale.com/2012/05/29/respect/

Masculine Respect

So this is my point, women don’t respect men, or rather, they don’t respect the masculine – and most certainly don’t have a default respect for it. They’re taught to be adversarial, not cooperative. Women are taught to relinquish respect, and then only begrudgingly when a man has proven his quality beyond the reach of most men. Masculinity is popularly ridiculed in western culture as it is, but to respect a man is to compete with him, to out-masculine him. Cooperation or even recognizing that the genders could be complimentary is viewed at best as antiquated, at worst, sublimation to the male imperative.

I should also add that I don’t think this dynamic is limited to the Daddy-Issues strippers or coed sluts. I’ve personally known very well standing, church going puritanical women, who’d cringe to be called a feminist, parroting back the very ideologies, practicing the behaviors and subscribing to the mindset (albeit in different context) of disrespecting the masculine. They were just as loud and just as obnoxious about it as any girl in Panama Beach, Florida on spring break.

The_Psychopath · 2014-10-02T00:08:28+00:00

Don't slip into oneitis, you need their respect like a fish needs a bicycle.

[deleted] · 2014-10-01T19:55:59+00:00

Nice post. Too many fools expecting these hoes to be loyal. They ain't. Accept that and you'll never be hurt or surprised again.

oldredder · 2014-10-01T21:38:55+00:00

"That’s not a fair thing to ask of women. It’s not her responsibility to stay with you on principle alone. It’s your responsibility to be the kind of man who doesn’t get dumped or cheated on." - The moment I liked this post.

theonlymikeonreddit · 2014-10-01T19:07:24+00:00

And deeper we go. Great post!!! I like the perspective.

scholarly_pimp · 2014-10-02T01:05:54+00:00

This is an awesome post man.

Continually strive to be a better man.

That's it.

ThreadPill · 2014-10-02T02:00:51+00:00

I want to frame the whole second half of this post and put it on my wall. This is a mindset I'm trying desperately to hammer into myself, having grown up a very kind and respectful person. This post is full of so much truth that I hate, but truth nonetheless. Thank you.

el_Technico · 2014-10-02T05:04:56+00:00

Odds are the other guys was physically more attractive and respect had little to do with it.

[deleted] · 2014-10-02T06:23:11+00:00

When reading this post in context to the original 4chan post, I realized I've internalized a very important part of RP mindset; It's the man's fault when his woman acts out of line. Because he failed to demonstrate enough value, hold frame, or some other important part of LTR game.

Sure, I read some BP or Men's Rights posts about extreme hamstering or female solipsism, but in the end it's a man's fault for letting a woman degrade to this level. Be it her father, husband, or x amount of beta orbiters enabling her bad behavior.

phillip42069 · 2014-10-01T17:44:35+00:00

respect should always be given off the bat because you never know what their life might be like. it is always something that should be given and your respect for someone is something that can grow. IMO Disrespect is earned, you should respect a women and a man because they are human. but once those humans display childish and deconstructive behavior, then that is where they need to be taken down a proverbial "peg or two"

pupplenupple · 2014-10-01T16:24:05+00:00

Yes, there is also a very real difference between the amount of sympathy that should be extended to a man whose wife leaves to chase better and the amount of sympathy that that should be extended to a man whose live-in girlfriend leaves to chase after something better. If that formal public commitment to forever has not been made, then the rest of the world is quite reasonable in assuming that whatever you had together came with the expectation of an experiation date to it. To complain that the expiriation date happened when she was ready not when you were ready is childish.

[deleted] · 2014-10-01T19:50:52+00:00

This is what men need to here that are new and still swallowing TRP. I for one am still. Reading this all makes sense to me. Its a clear and easy path to understanding what this all means. Incorporating these things only makes you a better and honest man. Thanks OP. Wonderful post and I would definitely sidebar this.

[deleted] · 2014-10-01T20:18:52+00:00

I will print this shit and hand it to whoever I hear complaining about their girlfriend in the future You OP deserve real gold for this. You earned my respect

the_red_scimitar · 2014-10-01T21:59:25+00:00

Our Red Pill brethren predictably flood this thread with comments about how annoying women are. How can she be so callously disrespectful, people ask.

If they actually made such points, they might be in this subreddit, but they don't understand RP theory. You have totally nailed it.

Interestingly, the fake RP-ers here get very upset when anybody actually IS alpha here. Having an actual alpha personality applied toward one - i.e. not respecting THEM - gets that lovely womanly response here.

[deleted] · 2014-10-02T00:12:28+00:00

Great post. Saved. My favorite part is about respecting yourself, by turning others down, by putting yourself first, and having the world chasing after your validation.

Title	Respect is earned
Author	Archwinger
Upvotes	871
Comments	204
Date	October 1, 2014 3:48 PM UTC (8 years ago)
Subreddit	/r/TheRedPill
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/TheRedPill/respect-is-earned.22168 https://theredarchive.com/post/22168
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2hzzrm/respect_is_earned/