Science "helping" to absolve people of responsibility for being obese...

Paid_Internet_Troll · 2015-10-30T16:01:38+00:00

If you locked someone in a room with only 500 calories of food a day, would their gut bacteria keep then fat?

If not, then even people with the "defective" gut bacteria are still responsible for their own weight problems.

FatStig · 2015-10-30T17:15:29+00:00

TL:DR - Your bacteria may be partially responsible for your fee fees and your obesity, but YOU are responsible for your gut bacteria.

Speaking as a fat guy in the process of recovery, there IS some truth to the gut biome fostering obesity. Especially if you start reading up on the mind-gut connection, and how 95% of your body's serotonin is produced in the intestines. Shitty bacteria create cravings for shitty food, and then you get really cranky when you don't get it. It's an ugly cycle.

That said, each person is STILL responsible for being obese or not, and there are all sorts of things you can do to adjust your own gut bacteria and make it healthier.

In my case, I did a 7 day water fast to clean out the system, and then broke the fast by adding fermented foods with live cultures to the diet, to reintroduce healthier bacteria, and am down 55lbs since June and much more mellow.

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TheBlackPhillipShow · 2015-10-30T16:32:09+00:00

Caloric physics is the REAL shitlord.

witdusername · 2015-10-30T20:35:10+00:00

Gut bacteria may make a small difference, and genetics are involved too. But the biggest factor in obesity is lifestyle. In some places in the world the overall culture and society encourage a lifestyle that is likely to cause obesity.

Here are some factors that encourage obesity in places like the USA:

Access to lots of cheap high calorie foods
"Car suburbs"- cities built for cars instead of pedestrians- low-density, it is inconvenient to walk anywhere, sometimes no sidewalks and lots of traffic makes walking dangerous
Car culture- automobiles are glamourized; everybody socially pressured to own a car, walking, taking the bus, or cycling seen as something for losers
Unsafe communities- people in inner cities scared to walk outside because of crime (I saw an interview with an overweight woman in a bad neighborhood in NYC who said she didn't walk outside much because it was dangerous)
Fast food and processed foods- these foods are unhealthy. They're packed with chemicals designed to hit your taste buds and make you ant more. On the other hand, they often don't have much in the wy of real nutrients, so eating them doesn't satisfy you.

disposable_pants · 2015-10-30T15:48:59+00:00

Admittedly, there must be a small percentage of people who actually have a defective body, and thus will be obese through no fault of their own... but I find it convenient that now, everyone will be able to blame something other then their own lack of willpower for their fat asses.

The problem is that this reasoning should be the default assumption, but the default assumption is currently the opposite. The "it's my thyroid/glands/bacteria/genetics" line is accepted uncritically. That sort of genuine medical issue just isn't that common.

nzgs · 2015-10-30T17:04:32+00:00

There's no such thing as being fat through no fault of your own, it's physiologically impossible. You can be thin through no fault of your own since some people have disorders that cause food to go unmetabolised in which case they simply do not get the energy from the food, but obesity is different since ANY medical problem can be countered by reducing calories. In fact a lot of these medical problems are caused by the over-eating and these studies have simply confused the causation (an example being PCOS and insulin resistance).

Rasalom72 · 2015-10-30T16:07:55+00:00

No actual scientific publication's say that. Even actual cases of very bad genetics like actual thyroid problems only add a few pounds. The worst thyroid you'd find will add about 30 pounds if left unmedicated. Fats take a concept that's VERY slightly in their favor and blow it far passed what any scientist would ever say about it.

PaulAJK · 2015-10-30T23:34:36+00:00

"I wonder how much is actual science, and how much is "there must be a problem because it can't be MY fault" type of thinking"

it's science. There's some astounding, bleeding edge research around gut bacteria going on right now. It's amazing stuff.

Yakatonker · 2015-10-30T23:59:27+00:00

Your comment doesn't do much at all to illuminate the problem, rather your just flat out deflecting all blame through absurdly simplified contexts that don't have anything to do with the topic of obesity.

Why are people obese? An over consumption of calories physically causes this, but what affects an environment where so many people in a country are obese? A mulit-billion dollar, multi-lateral of corporations with aligned interests who pervade unhealthy options throughout the system with extremely targeted tools of psychological warfare.

Its one thing to say people are obese, its another to understand the factors that induce obesity in an environment. The foods industries alone are not solely responsible but they're certainly a large factor. Other environmental factors could include things such as work conditions, geographic location, access to services(gym, health/doctors, parks, etc). Then you have the commonalities of the human animal which are redundant in all of us, ie impulse control, personal economic perspective, etc.

Its not just the obese person, if there is such a large redundancy in health because of weight and the problem is systemic rather then isolated then its simply not reasonable to assert its caused by individual malcontency, but rather a systemically caused phenomenon. As for TRP its obvious that if you're obese you're automatically leveled below the low standing of a typical male, infact the contortions of a man's physical form makes him seem weaker then weak, in which the only redeemer he could possibly have is wealth or socioeconomic status which is rare for obese men. Weight loss works as a motivater here because there's an entire framework to support it, and understanding that most BPs can get vagina if they go this path along with a litany of other tools to assits them in this endeavor. The typical person does not have the TRP praxeology at their disposal, for man or woman, and or a framework of motivation towards such a a fit goal.

bea5tly · 2015-10-30T15:47:17+00:00

This just cues in more hambeasts yelling about dem fee fees. Its disgusting how mentally disabled they are.

DannyDemotta · 2015-10-30T16:43:20+00:00

Even if there are factors, which I'm sure there are, that make it easier or harder for individuals to gain or lose weight it doesn't matter. In school I never had a natural aptitude for math. In fact I was quite bad at it. So instead of bitch about it I studied more often and harder than most other people in math.

Title	Science "helping" to absolve people of responsibility for being obese...
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Date	October 30, 2015 3:35 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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