Scott Adams weighs in on the gender pay gap issue (or non-issue?)

Science_isthenewcool · 2015-03-21T22:43:55+00:00

The prime reason that women and men have that 5-10% discrepancy is that men are more likely to pursue a pay rise and a promotion than women who generally avoid confrontation and expect their employer to recognize their hard work and reward them accordingly without asking for it. Men, if dissatisfied will either ask for a raise or move to another job.

BlaiseDB · 2015-03-20T23:10:45+00:00

Women in their 40s who are never married and never had children earn more than similarly situated men. I don't have the link handy but it was either Thomas Sowell or Warren Farrell. If I recall it was about 10% in favour of women.

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charcoales · 2015-03-20T19:22:16+00:00

I don't take one side of this issue based purely on opinion. If there was direct evidence showing discrimination I think that should be corrected. However, if the evidence is lacking and poorly done then is there actually an issue to discuss? We can tear apart the issue from every philosophical point of view, but at the end of the day evidence-based decisions are often the fairest.

The hitch comes from when the evidence is poor on either side of the issue and people start to bring in their philosophical views which don't contribute to an evidence-based answer. Maybe they should start funding well-designed and peer-reviewed studies to settle this issue once and for all.

bigcitytruth · 2015-03-22T03:40:08+00:00

One thing people rarely talk about: Hiring managers and human resources staff in corporate America are something around 3/4 female. These women are the people who make most of the pay and staffing decisions! It pretty much proves the "gap" in pay is based on the simple fact that 1) women don't ask for high pay or promotions and 2) women work fewer hours. It's so simple it's silly. In fact, now the wage gap for millennials is 93/100 according to Pew Research ( Link ). Now that's not including the factors of women preferring lower-paying professions, and taking more time off work for travel and family. At that point, you're even closer to parity, probably more in line to be 95/100.

So why is it not at 100% parity? Back to the Human Resources point -- A dominant man can bowl over a female HR rep with his demand for a raise using confidence, and tried-and-true techniques (see 48 laws of power). A woman can't easily ask for a promotion from another woman, because her pussy powers won't work against the other woman's bitch shield, and women tend to naturally dislike conflict and risk. Boom -- that's where the remaining 5% of pay went.

nrjk · 2015-03-21T05:21:55+00:00

I've made the joke before:

If women have been kept out of math all these years, then why would I ever listen to a group of women who wants to provide a statistical analysis of, well, anything involving mathematics.

If I want a critique and analysis of a Beethoven symphony, I'm not going to listen to a guy who's never heard of Beethoven.

So, institutional discrimination that kept women out of math and science whether it's real or not, until women as a group reach the level that men have achieved in the same field, I'll take their tidbits with a grain of salt.

juanqunt · 2015-03-22T03:49:58+00:00

He made some good points in the beginning, but this is complete bullshit:

The interesting part of the story is that the most effective tool feminists have is a misinterpretation of the study data. Feminist activists have convinced the under-informed public (including me until this week) that the gender pay gap is clearly demonstrated by studies. The result is that men are keenly aware they are being watched on this topic, and when you watch people they act more responsibly. So the bad interpretation of the data probably gets us to a better world. Who would act differently if they thought the studies said this: “There is a gender pay gap, and there are lots of potential explanations for it, but we haven’t isolated all the variables.” That would inspire no one to act differently.

While I think his ending message to girls is pretty good:

Despite thousands of years of gender bias, women are succeeding in every field that interests them. The gender pay gap has shrunk to the point where we can not identify gender bias as a cause. You are all winners. And all paths are open.

Even though I'm not convinced by the thousands of years of gender bias. Women had plenty of power behind the scenes in the past. Even Helen of Troy for example showed that a single good looking girl has more power than all the kings combined.

pl231 · 2015-03-21T18:55:10+00:00

let's talk about what a crock of shit maternity leave is.

so with limited notice a company is forced to either

a) accept a less productive employee ( anyone that isn't delusional would admit a pregnant woman is on average less productive than a non-pregnant one)

b) give multiple months off to the woman, following a period of lowered productivity, while having to find a replacement in the meantime, yet dispatching that replacement when the woman returns to work(who will likely be at a limited productivity at this point as well)

god forbid life choices have negative repercussions. you don't get to screw your employer over just because you want to have a kid.

DRMMR76 · 2015-03-20T23:32:03+00:00

The fact is that if a company could get the same work, knowledge, experience and output from a woman as it could from a man, and get away with paying them less, every business out there would do it in a heartbeat in order to save money. The fact that this isn't happening shows that there is something false about this whole idea.

Pornography_saves_li · 2015-03-21T16:30:33+00:00

So, a cartoonist is now an 'expert' on gender issues? Who cares what this guy says?

Title	Scott Adams weighs in on the gender pay gap issue (or non-issue?)
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