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Self Improvement Should Not Be Your Sexual Strategy

December 27, 2020

I see a lot of posts on here from people confused over what this sub is about. It's about sexual strategy, i.e., how to be more successful with women. That's true whether your goal is to spin plates or have an LTR.

We talk a lot on here about self improvement. Ultimately, self improvement is to benefit you. If you are scrawny or a fat ass or play video games all day and have no career prospects, you need to hit the gym, clean up your diet, and start taking steps to better yourself. Doing so will make you happier.

Many on here believe that if they follow a strict regimen of self improvement, they will one day attract women. Self improvement is their sexual strategy. The characteristics of people who do this vary. Some are uncomfortable interacting with women, others are tradcons who are morally repulsed at things like PUAs and spinning plates.

It's true that successful self improvement will help you attract women. But if you don't understand sexual strategy, you won't do well with them. I've seen it over and over. I know many guys who are fit and quite successful, but they don't have a clue about RP. They always follow the rules, make good money, adhere to a strict diet, exercise regularly, have read deep books, and are all around good, moral people.

Unfortunately, these things don't give women tingles. And since these guys don't understand RP, they commonly make it worse by doing things like expressing their feelings and intentions to women, calling and texting regularly, providing all the attention women seek from them, losing their cool, or attempting to set boundaries in a hectoring manner. Or some combination of the foregoing. Women view them as betas and often snatch them up for marriage. And these guys experience divorce, cheating, being treated like shit, or some combination of the three. Women simply aren't attracted to these qualities.

RP will teach you what women are really attracted to. And if you understand RP, you can use it to your advantage with women while still being successful in other areas. No one says you have to be a druggie or a degenerate. You should always to strive to improve yourself, but do it for you, not in the hopes that one day it will attract women. Learn RP for that.

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Title Self Improvement Should Not Be Your Sexual Strategy
Author SeasonedRP
Upvotes 123
Comments 72
Date December 27, 2020 5:51 PM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit /r/TheRedPill
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[–]18cmOfGreatness62 points63 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

To anyone who thinks that success in life will automatically bring him success with women I advise to learn about sexual life of Johnny Depp and Elon Musk. You can also can try and ask people with low socioeconomic status (like ghetto dudes) about guys who slay with women - you'll be surprised how common it is for guys without any proper job to bang hotties. You can go very far just with pure confidence, strong frame and clear understanding of women's mind.

[–]ClickKlakk15 points16 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

That’s because these guys are talking about and thinking about getting to fuck ONE TIME ever. They can not understand women, because they don’t have the requisite experience. That’s why plate theory is such an important step. It gives you the experience necessary to digest all of this.

[–]diejager2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It depends on your mindset. If you need to know the woman you are going to fuck, then do it. This doesn't mean you are having a sniper mindset since you can talk to multiple women at once.

[–]ClickKlakk0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I’m talking about understanding women in general.

[–]diejager1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I see. It is always good looking for understanding people. Outside the concept of romance, in your workplace you will be leading a lot of people, either men or women. I don't think understanding by having sex is a good way, though.

[–]sgtm72 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why would you want to understand women? Women understand women, and they hate each other!

[–]ClickKlakk4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol they will rip you to shreds if you don’t understand them. That’s why they’re considered the most dangerous playthings.

[–]Howdoiusesync2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is facts, a majority of people who do this as a coping strat. They believe if they do what you're stating it will supplement game.

You really dont need much to fuck.

[–]Brutal132 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Funny thing that Musk plowed Depp’s wife in the threesome

[–]Mysoulisnotforsale1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What’s ur point with Depp and Musk?

[–]hearse2233 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Depp married a makeup artist, divorced after 2 years. Then got engaged to 2 other women before proposing to Winona Ryder. He got WINONA FOREVER tattooed on his arm (cringe as fuck, but that wouldnt stop people from calling him an "alpha". 4 years later he was in a relationship with a supermodel Kate Moss. 4 years later he was with another chick, etc etc.

I dont really know what he was getting at, but thats some context. I wouldnt say Depp was unsuccessful with women based off that though.

[–]1arakouzo96 points97 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

Where guys get confused is that they want a one-path solution, but there are three working parts:

  1. Be fuckable. This is where self-improvement comes into play. If you're fat, ugly, broke, no confidence, etc., then you need to self improve until you are no longer un-fuckable.

  2. Game women. This is something that loser men who haven't even done #1 right yet like to use to derail The Red Pill because they're afraid of rejection. They insist that "women aren't worth it" and the "huge investment" that comes with "chasing pussy" is a distraction from their big valuable self improvement "mission". It doesn't matter how awesome your life is. If you don't know how women work and suck with them, you will be a very successful and very sex-less man. A lot of guys would prefer never having to game women. Because it's scary. They would rather tell themselves that as long as they keep improving at the gym and at their job and at life that magically, once they hit a certain improvement point, women will naturally fuck them due to how great they've improved themselves. But eventually, you hit a point where fifteen minutes of good game can get you a lay a lot more reliably than another year of self-improvement.

  3. Understand women and recognize bad situations. A lot of guys around here still dream about getting that happy wife and kids one day and think that if they self-improve enough and read enough red pill stuff they can make it happen. They still haven't accepted what women are really like. Which means that a bad situation is going to fuck them in the ass, and they'll spend the entire time it's ramming its way up there telling themselves she'd never do that because they're a valuable self-improved man who vetted a good woman and did all of this cool Red Pill stuff. Knowing how to recognize and exit bad situations and accepting what women are actually like is pretty darn essential for a long-term successful sexual strategy.

Self-improvement is only the first prong of a good sexual strategy. Knowing how to interact with women, and accepting what women are actually like are just as essential pillars. Every bit as important as self-improvement.

[–]RP_utiliser11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

2 is vital. You can’t have #1 and #3 without #2, it wouldn’t work. However having only 1 and 2 or 2 and 3 do work to their own extent.

[–]psychopeon6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

#2 hits home. I realized this when I would have more success with women during periods of time where I wasn't going to the gym and took a knee in my career.

Just like your health and your wealth, your social/sexual relationships are a domain of their own that needs attention.

Kudos on the quality comment.

[–]KarmaKill231 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I really needed the 1-2 punch of this post and your comment.

Thanks to OP and You.

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[–]1arakouzo2 points3 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

If you do all of this powerful self improvement and become an awesome and valuable man, and you STILL can't get laid, that's even more pathetic than some fat virgin living in mom's basement.

Value is something given to you by others. Not from smug intellectual masturbation about missions and internal value.

If nobody wants to date you, have sex with you, be friends with you, hire you, promote you, or give you money, you are NOT valuable. No matter how much you tell yourself you're still mommy's special boy no matter what the girls say.

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[–]1arakouzo0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

It's comforting, from the outside pointing in, to think that the men who are actually valuable are "empty shells".

Nobody on the inside, that people actually want to fuck, befriend, hire, promote, and see succeed, is faking their value. They don't have to. They're actually valuable.

The MGTOW philosophy retards on the internet who pretend that some variation of being true to themselves as some kind of stoic Buddhist who hates society, some way, somehow constitutes real internal value are the fakers. The Larpers, if you will. The internet pretenders who are unhappy, filling the void by belonging to internet communities where they pretend they are somehow enlightened for pretending not to value actual success.

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[–]1arakouzo2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Because I'm calling you out. You're an internet philosophy loser who isn't actually valuable.

That's why you resort to calling men who are actually valuable "empty shells" and refuse to acknowledge that real people actually wanting to fuck you, date you, be your friend, hire you, promote you, and see you succeed is the sign of real value.

While being a guy who can't get laid to save his life is the sign of absence of real value. People like valuable people. People refuse to fuck non-valuable people.

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[–]replicaplater2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I'd agree that lot of the PUA gurus like Roosh went off the deep end because they made getting women a huge priority and made the mistake of defining themselves by their notch count. Sex as a physical act is probably a bit overrated, but having the ability to get it whenever you want is the sign of a valuable male regardless of whatever the MGTOW crowd wants to believe.

What this really boils down to is where does one's value come from. The idea that the your value comes from within is one of the pillars of liberalism and like the rest of liberalism doctrine it usually leads to degeneracy.

MGTOW and self-improvement LARPers want to believe that value comes solely from within, i.e. self belief, mission etc. It doesn't matter if girls don't want to fuck you, as long as YOU believe that you're attractive, that's what truly matters. Funny thing about this line of logic is that feminists use it to justify being disgusting people (see: "healthy/beautiful at any size").

While that all sounds great in theory, its a gigantic cope. Your value as a person does come from outside yourself to a significant degree. If people find you unattractive or otherwise deficient you aren't valuable, and no amount of self delusion will change that. This doesn't mean your entire value is based on getting women, its just part of the equation. As arakouzo pointed out being seen as a valuable person amongst your people flows into so much more than just getting women as well i.e. career opportunities and advancement. One of the most valuable things a man can have is the support of his people. In general, people are more willing offer their support to those that are seen as valuable.

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[–]UnbreakableFrame20 points21 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

A better post would explain how to expand your self-improvement into social areas. Saying that self-improvement isn't sexual strategy is simply wrong.

Lifting makes you more attractive. Learning to dress well makes you more attractive. Learning to be a more confident speaker makes you more attractive. Learning how to lead makes you more attractive. All of these are things for which we are advocates.

Sure, there are plenty of "tactical" methods, like PUA techniques, that will help, but these should be the very last thing that someone focuses on.

A fundamental principle of TRP that I haven't seen mentioned in quite awhile is that you can't negotiate desire. This goes both ways and should be self-evident, but we constantly delude ourselves to think otherwise.

Most techniques that don't appear to require any prior self-improvement are smokescreens that mask the user's true value in some way or another. They try to distract the woman from your value, because it likely would be a turn off to her. Around here, we call this LARPing (Live Action Role-playing).

While these techniques do sometimes work, they have a lot of negatives.

  1. You can't LARP forever. It may get you a brief encounter, but eventually she's going to wake up and realize that you aren't as debonair as she thought when she was 6 shots deep at the bar.

  2. It's bad for your self-esteem. Pretending to be something that you aren't naturally leaves you feeling inadequate.

  3. Nearly all of these techniques rely on you speaking a certain way. Since you haven't put in the work to become outwardly awesome in your physique, body language, indicators of success, and social circle, you rely on interaction. This means that you are always the one initiating and never the one being sought out.

  4. These techniques are singularly focused. They don't particularly help you in any other aspect of your life. They don't make you stronger, more knowledgeable, more healthy, more at peace, etc... They are, at best, weak sales tactics (selling a product you don't believe in is always an uphill battle).

If you work on yourself enough, women will literally come to you. For most of the guys in here, even "Seasoned RPers", this concept is apparently inconceivable. However, it has become reality for some of us.

If you don't yet understand how self-improvement can lead to this then I would suggest expanding your self-improvement program to be well rounded.

[–]1SeasonedRP[S] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

No, they do come to me. But I know what to do with them when they do. Men who focus solely on self improvement don't. That's the point: focusing solely on self improvement and not understanding sexual strategy will get you played by women. Most successful men are betas who don't understand RP and don't do well with the women available to them. I view self improvement as for me, not something I do in hopes of getting women. Call it an incidental aspect of sexual strategy if you want.

[–]UnbreakableFrame4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If you are referring to understanding RP truths as being sexual strategy and not self-improvement, then we are defining these things differently. In my mind, reading the sidebar constitutes self-improvement.

[–]1SeasonedRP[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, to a degree. I'm addressing this to people who think going to the gym and improving their career prospects is enough. It isn't. When you're successful, everyone else in your social circles will be too. Understanding RP truths is what will set you apart.

[–]asabasa-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I disagree with you that pretending to be someone you are not leads to lower self esteem. You’re coming from the romantic assumption that we have a “real” personality or “spirit” deep below the surface level persona we present but that’s simply not true. The brain is extremely plastic and adapts to cues very quickly. If you pretend to be something, chances are you will eventually become that thing. Fake it till you make it.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Self-improvement should 100% be your strategy. It's a million times easier to talk to women when you have your shit dialed in. And there's now way unless its out of pure luck that some jelly roll soft ass dude is going to game hot women into fucking them unless they got some stacks of cash or a good job and taken care of some hood rat, and then they are signing up for being a provider because they are going to be scared to try to get a woman better than the one they have while she is getting plowed by randos every chance she gets. When men don't feel value in themselves they associate value in the same way women do, they need to be validated. Thats when women will fuck them over the worst.

To find real abundance you gotta be on your game all the way around, a stone cold hustler. Don't get me wrong I grew up in the hood, I know tons of dudes that are just wrecking 5's, 6's and 7's all the time and once in a while get an 8, or a 9. But the only dudes i know who have women chasing them are marine engineers, software engineers, business owners, etc. who are all in relatively good to amazing shape and it is apparent as fuck that they are grinding on their path all day everyday. These dudes 100% have hot women, and their choice of them, be it for long term relationships, or just to fuck and maybe call another day. You want a consistent wife, ltr, fling or a carousel of women to fuck, you gotta be on your game for best results.

Sexual strategy is stupid simple. Women want better. Better in the moment and better when it seems within reach, thats all encompassing. Women want to fuck men who are in better shape and have big arms, and abs and can pick them up and jackhammer the fuck out of them. Women want men who are providers and have bigger bank accounts because then they feel better than the other girls who's men have less money. Women want resources and to be fucked by studs, its really that simple.

So if you want women, have bait (resources) and work out so you look like a stud. Wear a rubber unless you know that chick doesn't have diseases or your don't care and get a vasectomy for best results lol. And by no means get married, it is a fucking trap.

Source: I've always made more money and been in better shape than my peers. Fucking girls isn't hard, its stupidly easy actually.

[–]1SeasonedRP[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Those successful dudes you mention live in communities full of other successful dudes just like them. And the women in those communities act just like other women. The men who don't under stand sexual strategy get played, divorced, and cheated on. Being successful isn't enough. It's a given for the women you'll encounter when you are. It's important to also understand RP principles. You should be successful to benefit you, not in the hopes that it will get you women. The attitude of "if I make enough money, maybe girls will like me" is pretty beta. Guys like that tend to be servants of their wives or girlfriends.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The successful guys I'm talking about mostly travel and live in low COL countries while doing contract work from the states or more affluent areas in the EU, and UK, but in a broader sense, i agree though, that you are correct that most men will live the suburban pay homage to your wife role and get utterly fucked.

I guess in my personal experience I always see sexual strategy mixed with high level fitness, or lots of money that garners success. I have also seen quite a few successful marriages where the dude really has his shit together. But really who knows what their wives are up to, i often lean towards the if given the chance they will cheat irregardless of the situation, as long as its the right dude.

[–]1SeasonedRP[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Having a high level of fitness, money, and knowing RP principles on interacting with women is the way to go. I've always viewed the first two as for me, not for whether they can attract women or not. Someone who is asexual should be doing them.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The thing is, we are always trying to draw patterns out of the behaviours of utterly random beings (women) and act accordingly.

If you say something like "women always want better" that is correct but by saying so you have completely forgotten to mention women who cheat on a 6ft tall, fit rich dude who is also dominante and masculine, with a drug addicted, fully tattoed ex criminal. In which case that contradicts your claims that "women want better".

I believe being the best version of yourself regarding to looks and money, and hitting on the biggest amount of bitches is the best "strategy" we can come up with.

Like I said women are super irrational so it makes no sense to try to make sense out of senseless beings.

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[–]RP_utiliser4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

maybe this is just a big circle jerk

Yeah, it is And no, self improvement is probably 30% of TRP. See the all in one red pill post

[–]dartyszn44 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Assume attraction and add value

[–]meagainstthewaves0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

What do you mean by adding value? I've seen the phrase a lot around here, but not sure what it looks like practically.

[–]dartyszn41 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Add value to conversations and people/social circles in way every way best demonstrates you’re true self. Do you want specific examples?

[–]meagainstthewaves0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, please. I'm just imagining conversations I've had or could have, and I'm having trouble thinking of something that would sound good and natural.

[–]dartyszn41 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Stop dwelling on past conversations and things you could’ve done better or messed up. We all human. Mainly just picking up on social cues or situational awareness for whatever activity or event is going on around you.

[–]meagainstthewaves0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I see, thanks. I often get hung up thinking about the past, something I've gotta change.

[–]dartyszn41 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I do the same. Can’t dwell on it beast nothing you can do but move forward

[–]RedPillShamrock2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Internal strength or Frame Control is real goal of self improvement and comes easier when you have the externals down as a foundation (lifting, career, style, social circle). One does not guarantee the other though but the journey of self improvement will build your trust in your own abilities and you may develope confidence as a byproduct.

That's just my experience. I'm sure there's more to it.

[–]Red_Cat692 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a good reminder.

Just as a note though: TRP today is much more than sexual strategy, it's a way of understand the world around you, and to use that knowledge to increase your effectiveness in life.

[–]INNASKILLZ2K182 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It really depends on the guy.

All the game in the world isn't going to help a fat, unfit, unkempt, unemployed/minimum wage guy. For him, self-improvement is definitely part of sexual strategy.

For a guy who slaves away in the gym, works hard for that promotion, earns a good salary but doesn't have any idea of how to talk to women, game is what he needs to learn.

The two can also co-exist and feed each other. Depending on how you define 'self-improvement', hitting goals, completing aspirations, gaining career success can fuel a huge boost to your game.

I think what I see you saying is don't rely on just bland 'self-improvement' to suddenly start the pussy rolling in. I've seen too many young guys religiously hit the gym, study, aim for a big salary etc, who don't even talk to girls. The literally think just 'improving smv' will later bring the girls. No, it will make you a hardworking guy who has no social skill or experience with women.

Now, you can definitely argue that all you need is game. But if that's all you have, and you're not also improving yourself and your life, that's going to become pretty empty as you get older and other guys are passing you by.

You want to do both. Self-improve for yourself, your own life and future whilst at the same time socializing, talking to girls, implementing some game and refining it all. The two will fuel each other.

[–]monadyne4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So, the Red Pill is all about sexual strategy? Look at all the stuff men put themselves through to "attract women": lifting, eating a clean diet, buying nice clothes and accessories, becoming successful at a career, etc. All that to make a favorable impression upon... women?

That sounds like the kind of shit chicks do. What ever happened to IDGAF? Why should you give a fuck what anybody else thinks of you, male or female? Jeez, guys. Just go about your business. If you want to impress somebody, impress yourself.

[–]hijiggy5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This is such a good post.

99% of the shit here, I just roll my eyes at because the writers sound like people I'd never really want to party with.

But this is good.

Self improvement, is NOT sexual strategy. At all.

Because we shouldn't improve for women, we shouldn't have a mission in our lives because girls like it, we shouldn't be challenging ourselves because girls like it --

What if girls wouldn't like it, then would you purposely stunt your own growth because of that?

I know I sure as hell wouldn't. If my mission was to live deep in the forest and track animal behavior, I wouldn't ignore that mission just because I wouldn't get laid.

With that said, I admit, I sometimes do little things thinking girls will notice, whether they do or not doesn't really bother me but I do think about it, the thing is, none of these things are major (I'd never change my life for a girl lol), however I actually think it's BAD to not give a fuck about girls, because if you don't care, then they won't either.

But this is higher level game stuff, you need to care, if you want girls, but what is important is how you project, your caring.

Anyway, I'm getting off topic here, let me bring it back.

If you want girls, improve your social skills. Good social skills, (aka game) is going to land you more pussy than lifting, money, or style ever will. Style, lifting, money are multipliers but if you have nothing to work with - then you're just multiplying zero. Which is zero.

Everyone thinks if you get money and lifting in check, you'll get lots of pussy, which YES, you'll get a lot of online pussy (the lowest form imo) but I don't consider that game. But if you don't want online pussy, you NEED to go out. The guys that get girls, go out.

If you don't do that, you won't get laid.


Doesn't matter how much you do self improvement.

And to go even further, Game comes before Red Pill and Social Skills come before Game. If you can't hold a conversation, forget gaming girls. If you can hold a conversation and you have okay social skills, you can start to apply game. Once you know game, you can then use Red Pill.

A lot of guys think you can say fuck Game and shortcut to Red Pill, you can't.

The reason for this is simple --

If you approach a girl, and she says something that could be called a "test",

The only Red Pill aware guy with poor social skills will look at every test as black and white, he'll see only one answer.

The guy with Social Skills only, might not even see it as a test and respond in an attraction killing way.

The guy with Game AND Social skills will know the unwritten rules of the test, the context, the seriousness, etc aka the nuance.

Game guys can get women but not keep them (generally), RP and Game guys will get women AND keep them, only RP guys (self improvement guys) will fail to get women and won't keep them.

Sexual strategy, is for the most part game (which is a branch of social skills.)

If you are a dork, who does self improvement, you're still a dork. Whether you are lifting or not, whether you are rich or not.

If you are a cool dude, you are still a cool dude, regardless if you are jacked or rich.

There's honestly so much to this, I could go on...and on.

The idea that girls will come to you is a complete myth, UNLESS you are the very best in something because people in general, are interested in top performers. A great artist, will have girls coming to him. A great athlete, will have girls handed to him. You also don't have to be the best in the world either, being the best within a group is good enough to attract the girls from that group. The guys on the football team in school, are probably no where near the top % of players in the world, but they certainly are the top within the social group (the school), and therefore, girls will find them attractive. I guess a better way to put it, being the best within a group of people is what makes girls come to you.

But just because you lift, read RP and make money doesn't make you part of this tribe. Girls will never come to you, based on these things alone and yet, some people think this will happen. It won't. And you better be damn sure, if you do these things and don't put yourself in social situations, you won't ever meet a girl outside of online (which is what most of the posts here are based off of, getting girls off dating apps is NOT game.)

[–]1SeasonedRP[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good post. Maybe a helpful analogy for others is that no sane woman is sexually attracted to Bill Gates, but lots would marry him.

[–]4ktx1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Self improvement is to maintain frame and add smv. I'm busy at the gym, work, socials.... girl I'll talk to you later. high smv beta> low smv alpha.

[–]RP_utiliser1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

How is an alpha gonna have low SMV? SMV is not based around how successful you are in life, literally what this post is exactly talking about

[–]Cautious_Number_950 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

One of the guys who was confused with it too.

By sexual strategy do you mean reading the side bar, book of pook, the rational male to name a few? And then going out and practicing what you have learnt?

[–]1SeasonedRP[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes. And I'm not saying you have to be a PUA, but you should understand why those tactics work. Being successful is important for you to have a good life. But it alone isn't a sexual strategy. When you are successful, you'll be in social circles where everyone else is too. Knowing sexual strategy will enable you to set yourself apart from other men.

[–]Sumsar010 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It means TRP is about getting laid and retaining bitches.

[–]diejager0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Indeed. If you think in sex as an end, then you are reinforcing the inner idea that sex is scarce. Also, when you get sex, all your built habits will be broken because you have achieved your "goal".

[–]vicious_fate000 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

“APPROACHING WOMEN AND BEING SEXUAL” should be your strategy, play the numbers game.

Approach 100 women in one month and you’ll be fucking 5-7 women.

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[–]IncorrigibleLee860 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

why not? It's easier than you think when you stop giving a fuck about being rejected.

[–]MoonimAhsan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What resources do you recommend to study the things that you have mentioned above?

[–]Zen_YS0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

True. The thing is that self-improvement has very little to do with actual attractiveness and success with woman, it's only matter for a specific poll of woman that value these traits but again, from my experience it's a minor addition. You may be a dumb punk guy that bang hotties , just because you look cute, tall and treat them in a specific way.

  1. Be Chad
  2. Be charming and have a game that suits you.
  3. Have a space to fuck.

[–]bolchevique450 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

resuming this thread: dont be a teleological thinker

[–]IncorrigibleLee860 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't be a bum. Don't bring more drama than she brings. Be the rock to her emotional roller coaster but don't be a tampon for her tears. Be upfront about sex from the start; you aren't trying to be her friend. {women in general make shitty friends}

edit: best way to learn game {and recognize when to apply it} is to get a part time gig where you are dealing with your target demographic. A lot of women have this thing where If they find you attractive they become super shy. Like mickey mouse hiding from a cat quiet. Crack a joke and whip it out.

[–]Vynxe-Vainglory0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Having knowledge about women, hypergamy, domination, social dynamics, etc is great, just as long as you're not using them to fill a validation void or some other problem that cannot be fixed externally. You'll be looking for answers in places they cannot be found.

I feel like most guys, when they first come here, are doing this in some form or another.

When desperate and needy guys learn pickup, for example, it can set them down a very dark path if they aren't lucky enough to get some real self improvement in there, along with solid philosophy about the nature of the ego, fear, etc.

[–]NeedaKRGF-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

WRONG... it absolutely should be, especially right now with Covid lockdowns and cold approach at zero.


[–]rjb_1990-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Ever since I've started my self improvement journey people have been noticing. Not because I'm successful but because I can provide them knowledge and value. I'm not high value but people perceive me as high value because of the type of people I associate with.

I never approach women anymore. Sure I may not get the same results as someone who's cold approaching but I still receive attention from women a lot more often than what I was before. Before it was once every 3 months or so a woman would approach me now it's once a month.

The point is if she's genuinely attracted to you she will approach you and want to fuck you. Just recently my best friends sister who I haven't seen in a couple of years has been noticing an attitude shift in me and she brought it up at one of our get togethers and she thought it was hot. I could've slept with her that night but decided not to because I don't want to do anything behind my friends back.

The point of self improvement is to pursue what you want to pursue in life and let women come to you. I can tell you it works 100% and in my mind I'm probably a 5 on a good day.

[–]1SeasonedRP[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

You misunderstood the post.

[–]rjb_19900 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Oh I read clearly. You said "Unfortunately, these things don't give women tingles" I wouldn't've attracted my friends sister and have her approach me if I didn't improve myself. The point is cold approachers may get more women but how many of those relationships actually last? ONS are nothing special these days. Any guy can pick up a girl and spin plates if he actually went out there and got good at game. But honestly how many of those relationships have actually lasted for you?

[–]1SeasonedRP[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You demonstrated my point and don't even know it. When you had the opportunity, the best example you could come up with, the very best one, wasn't that you'd done something like had a crazy threesome, banged a string of hotties, pulled a MILF, or even got a girlfriend. Oh no, it was that your best friend's sister said you were hot. And that was actually a big deal to you, probably the most attention you've ever gotten from a woman.

Men who understand sexual strategy know what was really going on. She was merely being nice. If you'd made a move, she would have shot you down and said she didn't want to do that to her brother, when in reality it is because you are socially awkward and she isn't actually attracted to you. (hate to break it to you, but girls often casually compliment guys in the context you were in; it doesn't mean they'll fuck you). If you understood sexual strategy and got rid of the social awkwardness, a friend's sister politely complimenting you wouldn't be such a big deal, and you'd actually be hooking up with women or have a girlfriend if you wanted to.

[–]rjb_19900 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

When did I say she was merely being nice? Just because you have the opportunity to sleep with someone doesn't mean I have to take her up on her offer. I don't sleep with friends they're friends for a reason. I friend zoned them. I've pulled milfs and had 3somes before and didn't have to approach. What I'm saying is that It's not hard to get lucky at a bar any guy can do it. You have no idea what my dating life is like so don't just assume things. When they approach me I make a move. The relationships I've had when women approach me are more full filling than the ones where I've done the approaching. Cold approaching makes you look desperate and women smell desperation on you. That's why your relationships don't last.

[–]rjb_19900 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

And btw fucking a ton of girls isn't anything special these days. Pretty much anyone can do it. I'm 30 years old and fucked over 100 women. I used to be that guy that cold approached and used game to get girls. It's nothing special. I respect people who know how to keep a woman not pump and dump.

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