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Simplification of why people bend over backwards to the feminist agenda -- an analogy. (Or, let's approach the stairs)

December 14, 2013
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Taken from a Theo Priestley post on LinkedIn. While geared to business, it offers a thoughtful way of understanding how biological tendencies were suppressed rapidly.

"We've always done it this way" is one of the most used business phrases when being faced with change. So why does it keep happening time and again ? Take some monkeys and a banana...

Start with a cage containing five monkeys. In the cage, hang a banana on a string and put a set of stairs under it. Before long, a monkey will go to the stairs and start to climb towards the banana. As soon as he touches the stairs, spray all of the monkeys with cold water. After a while, another monkey makes an attempt with the same result. Pretty soon, when any monkey tries to climb the stairs, the other monkeys will try to prevent it.

Now, turn off the cold water. Remove one monkey from the cage and replace it with a new one. The new monkey sees the banana and wants to climb the stairs. To his horror, all of the other monkeys attack him.

After another attempt and attack, he knows that if he tries to climb the stairs, he will be assaulted. Next, remove another of the original five monkeys and replace it with a new one. The newcomer goes to the stairs and is attacked. The previous newcomer takes part in the punishment with enthusiasm. Again, replace a third original monkey with a new one. The new one makes it to the stairs and is attacked as well. Two of the four monkeys that beat him have no idea why they were not permitted to climb the stairs, or why they are participating in the beating of the newest monkey.

After replacing the fourth and fifth original monkeys, all the monkeys which have been sprayed with cold water have been replaced.

Nevertheless, no monkey ever again approaches the stairs. Why not?

Because that’s the way it’s always been around here.

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Title Simplification of why people bend over backwards to the feminist agenda -- an analogy. (Or, let's approach the stairs)
Author DeckofLuckyStrikes
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Date December 14, 2013 2:55 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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[–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity32 points33 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Feminism is a blight on humanity. It doesn't encourage growth and innovation, it stifles it. Take a look at the assault on the Fitness Tiger Mom or the woman who posted a sexy selfie of herself after giving birth. You see comments like, "she''s posting unrealistic realizations of life and making it unfair for the rest of us!"

Feminism attempts to level the playing field. They are bringing everyone down to their level in hopes that they are "qualified." That's not competition, at ALL. That just makes us all worse off. Over the next few decades, that will result in men seeking relationships outside of our country or just all-out herbivorism, and women at least overweight if not obese and entirely entitled to everything.

Is that what we want?

[–]ScannerSloppy17 points18 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I do have some feminist friends, and they do seem to lean towards Marxist philosophies in general. It's kind of sad the way they favor "leveling the playing field" over lifting themselves up. You can believe in standards, excellence, pride and glory, or you can believe in equality and fairness. I favor the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat over the sterile, gray conformity of fairness and equality.

[–]netgrey 11 points11 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Ever since I've read this short story by Kurt Vonnegut, I've been against this horse shit. We aren't equal, except in the eyes of law.

Fuck Marxism.

http://www.tnellen.com/cybereng/harrison.html

[–]Clauderoughly17 points18 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

except in the eyes of law.

We are not even equal in the eyes of the law.

The law system is made up of humans, which hand out pussy passes to women all the time.

The single biggest determining factor of whether you'll be convicted and what sentence you'll get is gender.

IF a woman gets convicted of anything, she'll get a 60% lesser sentence than a man for the same crime.

[–]DeckofLuckyStrikes[S] 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If you're interested in equality according to the law, I recommend checking out some of the posts on /r/pussypass

[–]Clauderoughly14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I know that sub exists, I just avoid it because I don't want to put my fist through my monitor.

[–]ItsYourHandInMine5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This twisted Western law system is spreading outwards, India is coming down hard on men.

But there are countries where pussy passes don't exist, and they are the ones constantly bashed as inhumane. Most Islamic countries aren't easier on women, their religion has allowed them to pass the shit test of feminism, where others like Sweden has failed miserably.

[–]1PaulRivers102 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's kind of sad the way they favor "leveling the playing field" over lifting themselves up.

The problem isn't that they want to level the playing field, the problem is that they've redefined the term to mean "bring everyone down to the same level" whereas it used to be more about giving the people at the bottom a little extra help so they could bring themselves up and compete equally (I mean that was the theory, but it was better than the current trend which is like described - take down the people who are doing well).

[–]SillyAmerican-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah this stupid experiment gets quoted all the time. Too bad there is no evidence anywhere it actually happened. Therefore this is all pure speculation. While it seems logical, you can't really say that this is how primates would behave considering no scientist actually conducted this study.

[–]9000sins9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The experiment is real (scientific study cited below). This experiment involved 5 monkeys (10 altogether, including replacements), a cage, a banana, a ladder and, an ice cold water hose.

The Experiment- Part 1 5 monkeys are locked in a cage, a banana was hung from the ceiling and a ladder was placed right underneath it. As predicted, immediately, one of the monkeys would race towards the ladder, to grab the banana. However, as soon as he would start to climb, the researcher would spray the monkey with ice-cold water. but here's the kicker- In addition, he would also spray the other four monkeys…

When a second monkey tried to climb the ladder, the researcher would, again, spray the monkey with ice-cold water, As well as the other four watching monkeys; This was repeated again and again until they learned their lesson Climbing equals scary cold water for EVERYONE so No One Climbs the ladder.

The Experiment- Part 2 Once the 5 monkeys knew the drill, the researcher replaced one of the monkeys with a new inexperienced one. As predicted, the new monkey spots the banana, and goes for the ladder. BUT, the other four monkeys, knowing the drill, jumped on the new monkey and beat him up. The beat up new guy thus Learns- NO going for the ladder and No Banana Period- without even knowing why! and also without ever being sprayed with water!

These actions get repeated with 3 more times, with a new monkey each time and ASTONISHINGLY each new monkey- who had never received the cold-water Spray himself (and didn't even know anything about it), would Join the beating up of the New guy.

This is a classic example of Mob Mentality- bystanders and outsiders uninvolved with the fight- join in 'just because'.

When the researcher replaced a third monkey, the same thing happened; likewise for the fourth until, eventually, all the monkeys had been replaced and none of the original ones are left in the cage (that had been sprayed by water).

The Experiment- Part 3 Again, a new monkey was introduced into the cage. It ran toward the ladder only to get beaten up by the others. The monkey turns with a curious face asking "why do you beat me up when I try to get the banana?" The other four monkeys stopped and looked at each other puzzled (None of them had been sprayed and so they really had no clue why the new guy can't get the banana) but it didn't matter, it was too late, the rules had been set. And So, although they didn't know WHY, they beat up the monkey just because " that's the way we do things around here"…

Well, it seems to be true; not in the exact shape that it took here, but close enough,

Below is a quotation from the experiment, in scientific Jargon: (sources cited below)

"Stephenson (1967) trained adult male and female rhesus monkeys to avoid manipulating an object and then placed individual naïve animals in a cage with a trained individual of the same age and sex and the object in question. In one case, a trained male actually pulled his naïve partner away from the previously punished manipulandum during their period of interaction, whereas the other two trained males exhibited what were described as "threat facial expressions while in a fear posture" when a naïve animal approached the manipulandum. When placed alone in the cage with the novel object, naïve males that had been paired with trained males showed greatly reduced manipulation of the training object in comparison with controls. Unfortunately, training and testing were not carried out using a discrimination procedure so the nature of the transmitted information cannot be determined, but the data are of considerable interest."

Sources: Stephenson, G. R. (1967). Cultural acquisition of a specific learned response among rhesus monkeys. In: Starek, D., Schneider, R., and Kuhn, H. J. (eds.), Progress in Primatology, Stuttgart: Fischer, pp. 279-288.

Mentioned in: Galef, B. G., Jr. (1976). Social Transmission of Acquired Behavior: A Discussion of Tradition and Social Learning in Vertebrates. In: Rosenblatt, J.S., Hinde, R.A., Shaw, E. and Beer, C. (eds.), Advances in the study of behavior, Vol. 6, New York: Academic Press, pp. 87-88:

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Touche, I've heard it's a bullshit "study" for a long time, thanks for showing me otherwise

[–]DeckofLuckyStrikes[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's neither a study nor an experiment; it's merely aAn analogy to better illustrate behavioral patterns and cognitive adaptation to circumstance.

Pretty soon, when any monkey tries to climb the stairs, the other monkeys will try to prevent it.

Looks a lot like white knighting, doesn't it?

After another attempt and attack, he knows that if he tries to climb the stairs, he will be assaulted.

Seems like the early developmental stages of self-preservation. Why would I go after what I want if everyone else tried to and failed? I might as well just stick to getting low-hanging fruit (pun very much intended).

Two of the four monkeys that beat him have no idea why they were not permitted to climb the stairs, or why they are participating in the beating of the newest monkey.

The quintessential essence of white knighting. People are now programmed to treat one another because of an established pattern.

This is obviously a light-reading into the example, but the point is that you take what you want from the analogy. Change within established social paradigms is hard to do when everyone is set in their feminist influenced ways.

EDIT: Apparently it really is a study.

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