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August 13, 2015

It’s Wednesday morning and you are exhausted. You are trying to quit heroine and you know that in your process of recovery, today is a day you need to rest. But you have to go to work, otherwise you will be fired. You don’t choose what you do of your time. Sure, you could choose not to go to work but you would have to find another one.

Every morning of the week, you have to get up and go work to make someone else richer. If you don’t do as they say, you are punished. In exchange, you are given money. With this money, you buy food, shelter and clothes. Then, if you are lucky, you have extra money left and you can afford the luxury of buying a brand new useless tool like the new iphone.

Think about it: you work and you get food, clothes and shelter in exchange.

You have your week-ends off and some holidays from time to time. Why? Just so you can relax. This way, you will be more efficient at work when you get back. Society paid too much to form you, to give you the skills you have. They want to keep that investment paying back so they keep you functioning. But you never get enough time off to ask yourself dangerous questions such as: is this situation really what I want? Because, despite everything, you are a free man and you can do whatever you want.

You are kept distracted with TV, video games, porn. You are given extra tasks such as taking care of your family. PREVENT THEM FROM THINKING! Society praises sex and you are numbed by it, trapped into this prison of distractions.

You buy a huge house that you will need to pay off for most of your life. You buy good-looking furniture. You make it your nest. Because you invested so much in it, you don’t want to leave it. Here goes your freedom of traveling. Plus, you now need your shitty job even more: you can’t quit, you can’t afford to take risks. You built your own prison.

You get a woman. She becomes your wife. You have children. You are programmed to take care of them. You are so busy working your ass off at work that you neglect your health. You come back home and you are too exhausted to do anything else. PREVENT THEM FROM THINKING! Instead of resting, you have your family to take care of. Your health gets worse but hey, take those pills and it will be better. The pills doesn’t make you healthier, it doesn’t help you not to get sick next time, it only makes it better right now so that you can keep on working to make other men richer.

Where goes your money? To the same kind of people who makes you work all day long. Your extra money is spent on useless tools. Consumerism. You get a raise from time to time and it makes you excited. You are moving forward! But there really is no change. Instead of using this money to free yourself, you buy more useless and more beautiful shit so that you can brag about them and conform. You don’t start a business, you don’t use your money to make more money so that you can finally give the finger to those who exploit you. At the end of the day, you don’t have more money, even if you get a raise.

Think about it: if you come to work, you are given what you need to survive and enough rest to keep working efficiently. If you don’t come to work, you die.

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Title Slavery
Author Redasshole
Upvotes 59
Comments 82
Date August 13, 2015 12:04 AM UTC (7 years ago)
Subreddit /r/TheRedPill
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/TheRedPill/slavery.35510
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[–][deleted] 42 points43 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

Don't you have tps reports to get done instead of being on reddit??

Yea, I'm gonna need to you to go ahead and come in on Saturday..

Go debt free, I did.. Best decision ever.. If it wasn't for mandatory health insurance I'd probably deliver pizza and goof off the rest of my life

[–]Kill_Your_Ego27 points28 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Being debt free is amazing. Better then amazing.

One of my first jobs was working for a shady debt collection company. I'm the guy that would track you down (skip work) and then go into your house and ask you "why don't you think you need to pay your bills?" in front of your wife and kids. I also was able to see the scam of debt from the inside. So I've always made sure to stay away from any debt. Including student loans.

My condo pays for itself in rent from my roommates. I own two vehicles, a little car to commute and a truck for utility. I have a positive net worth despite being divorce raped. That lost me $100k of my worth though. But today my brother is carrying $80k just in student loan debt. Another $40k in credit cards and things that his wife can't stop maxing out. Two car loans for another $40k. And he's still renting. And more.

Debt is slavery. You need a car? Save up $1000 and go buy an old used Honda. Build your credit by having a credit card for gas that you pay off every month and another credit card for fresh groceries. That you also pay off every month. Use debt as a means to build credit.

Stay out of debt! Adjust your lifestyle down in the present so that your life will be better in the future. Don't sell your own future away to someone else.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours16 points17 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Damn right. The only time I use loans is to build credit and to do things faster or in a limited time frame. I bought a chunk of land and it will be paid for in five years if I just make payments, build a hotrod and sell it, the land is paid for. I got a construction loan to build my shop and a cabin, you can't buy alivable house for what I have invested in this place. Hell good luck buying a new truck for what my home is costing me. When I'm too old to do the car thing, I'll sell this land, sell most of my cars, and downsize again.

I hate debt, paying for the use of money. I make every effort to do without until I have the cash for it, and I earn on the side to finance fun stuff. I do nearly everything myself, I don't pay anyone to fix my car, build my house, clear my land, and next year I won't be paying for fuel to drive my cars unless I go on a road trip.

I'm not a slave to anything nor anyone, I could walk away or sell everything and start over somewhere else if I had no other choice. I do the car thing because I enjoy it, not because I have no other choice. The cars I build are investments that pay me back if I sell them. It's fun for me so I don't count my time, do people count the time they spend watching TV or playing video games? I only count the dollars I sink into them, they're not my source of income so I can afford to keep them until I get the money I want from them.

Fuck living like everyone else, up to my ears in debt, buying useless shit to impress people I don't like.

[–]1CashFrags1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

So what would your advice be to me, I was hard into drugs at 20 got kicked out of my moms place, dad said school or your on the street. I signed up for the debt train out of fear of homelessness.

First year was a mechanical certificate that put me 13k in the whole and i spent the summer job hunting with 0 luck everyone wanted a journeyman not an apprenticeship.

Went into avionics the next year as i now had the math pre reqs I needed, 4 months into it I absolutely loved the math and science but I was teaching myself as my teachers were bumbling idiots. ( day five i brought a headset that my tore the wire from into the class and none of my teachers could help me fix it even saying it was impossible)

I dropped the course after my lab teacher who disliked me because the class came to me for help instead of him was giving me worse grades then the classmates i was teaching for him. (my theory avg was 95bmy lab avg was 65)

After that i decided to try freelancing was working with a software engineer from the states writing e-books and selling web design packages we were making money which i thought was being saved for our project goal however he spent it himself and so i stopped working with him.

I'll be going back to school in sept for game programming as per my dads encouragement and piling on another 13k debt.

*I am feeling myself digging this hole looking for gold yet i don't even know if theres a gold vein down there...

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I went to a votech community college for automotive technology. I wanted the paper that said I know what I'm doing. I had been in the military so I used some of my GI bill, and had a full time job as a CNC machinist. I taught myself the programming for Okuma lathes and mills. Full time job, full time school, debt was all of $2500 for the first year and I did it all working after that. I pulled a 3.8 GPA without trying, used the school as a warm shop in winter, and bought car parts with my GI bill.

After running my own shop for two years, I realized I hate working on minivans and crapbox economy shit. Automotive is my hobby/passion and I'll never do it for a living. My income supports my car habit now and life is fucking awesome.

I had to put in a mind boggling amount of work to get where I am today. You don't get a fucking thing for free in this world, you have to work even to breathe. That's the reality of it. You have to have a general direction for your life, a burning desire of what you want to do, achieve, experience, or see. You have to build on what you're good at, sure fix the negatives but accentuate the positives, and use your skills to achieve more.

My mind is mechanical, I can understand how it works intuitively by simply looking at it. I can flip it around in my head and figure out the best way to make it better, that includes processes like machining and the logistics I did in the military.

If you don't love aircraft or making things with your hands, don't go into that area. If you love something like I do cars, don't sap the fun of of it with the pressure of needing to have it done by a deadline do you can pay your mortgage, it makes you hate it. I was a machinist because it was sorta challenging and it fits my aptitude, I don't love it, but I don't loathe it either. A cubicle or office is my worst nightmare, same with fast food and the rest of the service industry. I've never done those jobs. I built on my strengths and became very well rounded and knowledgeable in a wide array of electronic, mechanical, and even social pursuits, because knowing how isn't good enough, I wanted to know why.

You need to figure out what you want. I wanted a GTO, now I have 3, really that's all I wanted from life 30 years ago. Knowing what you want gives you the path to get it. Without that goal, you have no direction. Without direction you have no motivation. Without motivation you have no life. Men build, women recieve.

If you want to be rich, you have to work towards that goal and probably something in finance or banking, Wall Street etc. If you want to build the coolest fucking game ever, you need to know programming. If you want to go to Mars, well the drugs have probably fucked you out of that so you'd need a different dream. Jumping around from jobs you think will make money or are "glamorous" will only fuck you over. Get a direction and fucking sick to it.

You can learn damn near anything on your own, but it requires work and dedication to it. I learned two things in votech. Rebuilding automatic transmissions and alignments, everything else I already knew from doing it, loving it, and needing to know why it does what it does.

Get a fucking direction. Stick to it and put in the work.

[–]Mr_Ooey_Gooey0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is what I needed to hear.

[–]1CashFrags0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I took awhile to respond to this because you really made me think hard.

Like incredibly introspectively into every aspect of my life and i almost came up empty until i remembered i used to dream about building a self sufficient home and living my days away in peace.

I've looked into it and realized for less then 100k i could buy a plot of land and build a completely sustainable eco home for myself with my own two hands.

I still dont have a career goal but you've helped me hone in on exactly what it is that i want out of life which is just straight peace.

I'm going to be pursuing this eco home goal with a passion like no other and for that i have to thank you whole heartedly for making me think that deeply.

Thanks bro, seriously thanks.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're welcome. I've been seriously busting my ass this summer clearing trees, leveling land, filling holes, and building. I pulled a 16 hour day today working on a foundation. Living this way is fucking awesome.

A couple of my friends live the same way, completely of grid, solar and wind powered in log cabins.

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[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure, if you need everything right now and don't live within your means. My newest daily driver is a 98, it's been paid for since the year after I bought it. I've put 100k on it, rebuilt the transmission when the front pump broke, and have lightly modded it. I'd rather buy a $500 beater and rebuild it so I can drive it for 100k than go out and buy some new depreciating debt producer. It's easy to build five really nice rides for the cost of a new Kia. I bought some land with a decrepit cabin on it, but it had a well and electricity, so I've been clearing the trees and building my home and shop, doing damn near everything myself. No TV, cell is my Internet connection, no AC, and I keep up with the maintenance on everything.

You push the easy button and pay others, you're going to be broke all the time unless you make a ton of money and live cheap. I make ok money and live very cheap, so I can spend my time and funds doing things I actually want to do. I cook for myself, like right now I'm burning streaks over a campfire, the wood is dead stuff from my land and it's on a $12 grill surface. I have a full kitchen and all the appliances, but nowhere to put them yet. They're not the absolute best, but they're the best I could buy with cash on the spot.

Do more yourself, don't waste time gaming or watching TV. You'll be amazed at what you can get done.

[–]Ovadox0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why do you need good credit? You only need that if you want to borrow money, which you shouldn't be doing if you are committed to being debt free.

[–]joshsoowong3 points4 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

How do you avoid paying high prices for health insurance? I understand that every American citizen must have insurance now-a-days but I find living out of the parents nest really frightening. Am 23 BTW.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

I pay $20 a month through my job.. Only reason I still work full time.. Other then that it's expensive as hell

[–]Sebaceous_Sebacious 5 points5 points [recovered] | Copy Link

So if you lose your job, you have another $500 a month minimum in expenses to cover. Just one more shackle.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ya I know. The system is set up to keep people working.. Even if you live well within your means you can't really retire early

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Welcome to socialism...aka government slavery. Getting free shit is all fun until it is your turn to pitch into the pot.

[–]Nebulose112 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Obamacare is so fucking anti-American. I should never have to pay for a service I don't use.

Fuck this fucking communist shit. If it were socialist then we would all be taxed the exact same fucking amount regardless of income. We need to reduce the power of the feds. I wish it were plausible.

And I am a god damned veteran with insurance under the VA. Why the fuck do I have to buy insurance for myself so my family can be covered under it. This is fucked up all to hell.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Biggest scam in decades... And the liberal sheep welcomed it in.

Until they started getting the bill, but then it was to late

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

All the Libertarians and Conservatives tried to tell people but the Socialist Democrats kept pushing the whole "It's free" and "you don't have to get it" BS.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's kind of funny because they acted like the Republicans hate women.. But because of Obama care and the high divorce rate now women have to work until they are 65 as well

[–]Electric_Romeo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Being taxed the same amount" is nowhere near as bad. If you lose your job, or you quit, or you retire, or whatever; you are still covered, and don't have to pay any tax until you have income again (and pensions don't get taxed as income).

[–]A419a0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

We really don't get free shit. Yeah we get some but it is less than we pitch in. Single moms (thanks big gov for making us into BB) and corporate welfare is where people get more than they put in.

[–]lll_lll_lll4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Debt free is one thing, but how do you retire later? Don't we all still need to basically slave away our middle years just to fund our later years? (Those of us without the benefit of inheritance).

We need like a million at least, that is a lot of pizzas to deliver.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You never retire. Even if you have a million inflation and medical care will eat it up.

[–]thefisherman19610 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If it wasn't for mandatory health insurance I'd probably deliver pizza and goof off the rest of my life

Too bad, the corporations want your money, and they're going to do whatever they can to convince leftwingers to vote for corporate puppets like Obama to pass laws that will throw you in a cage for not paying your serf dues

[–]ItIsMyPrivilege19 points20 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

"And I wasn't the only slave to my nesting instinct. The people I know who used to sit in the bathroom with pornography, now they sit in the bathroom with their IKEA furniture catalogue."

"You buy furniture. You tell yourself, this is the last sofa I will ever need in my life. Buy the sofa, then for a couple years you're satisfied that no matter what goes wrong, at least you've got your sofa issue handled. Then the right set of dishes. Then the perfect bed. The drapes. The rug. Then you're trapped in your lovely nest, and the things you used to own, now they own you."

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The right one? The perfect this or that? Fuck, push me too far and I'll burn everything in place and go somewhere else. I'd rather keep my GTOs, but if it's me or them, they're gone. That won't happen unless the world ends, in which case who cares?

Everything in this life is temporary. I've rebuilt from zero twice, rebuilt with nothing but my old cars and my tools another five times. Shit comes and goes, divorce proves that to you.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Giving me chills, this was me a couple of years ago. When the facade fades and you can't help but see it for what it really is, you resent the FUCK out of your choices.

[–]Di-onysos12 points13 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

You may like this:


tl;dr: "God" is dead, but we need to worship something. Our gods are "progress", "work", and "sex".

Larger societies lead, rather perversely, greater aloneness ans you exist in a perpetual state of "forced anonymity". We are, every one of us, statistics. The more complex a society becomes, the less power you have, the more dependant you are on other people and their actions. This leads to existential angst. Note that a lot of this happens on the unconscious level. What you feel consciously could be described as "faint malaise".

To alleviate this, we need "drugs". There's the success game, there's the money game, there's the status game(high status has similar effects on brain as cocaine), there's the "feelz" game, etc.

Human is an unique animal, because it's an animal of meaning. Give a dog food, shelter and a bitch, and it will be happy until the end of its days. A human will be for only a short while. Humans are not well equipped to deal with post-scarcity. If we are not fighting death for real, we will find a cause and construe it that meaning. The inherent "meaninglessness" of the world is both beautiful and terrifying.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

where is that snipit taken from and who wrote it?

[–]Di-onysos3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

very nice. its funny how the older the books are, the more knowledge it contains

[–]2012Aceman8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because you don't know what you don't know, and when our government took over education they stopped teaching it. A man who doesn't know that he can stop the system will never think to do it.

[–]dmystery1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's some good stuff. Where is the writing from?

[–]Ninja_Wizard_690 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

We can create our own scarcity by saying we're not content with making $x/year. Then we work harder to achieve that goal.

[–]Lt_Muffintoes23 points24 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

  1. You don't have to work. The government will enslave others to fund your laziness.

  2. Slaves actually received more of their productivity. You had to spend 90% of a slave's productivity on feeding, clothing, medicining, sheltering and educating them. Therefore, they were "taxed" at about 10%. Today, the government steals over half your productivity.

  3. The fact of finite resources is not slavery. A caveman is "forced" to close between hunting or dying of starvation, but is not a slave. Slavery specifically refers to the forcible transferral of wealth from one human to another.

Taxation is slavery.

[–]Kill_Your_Ego9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

And if you don't were dumb enough to get married and divorced raped now you've got an imputed income that you must make so that the government can take from it. If you don't? We will put you into jail.

But let's pretend like we aren't slaves.

[–]Nebulose112 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We will put you into jail.

Without a trial by peers; your constitutional rights mean nothing.

Debtors prison is back!

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's one the differences with marxists and libertarians : marxists confuse power and liberty.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Too many people think that the American Dream formula is set in stone. A soul-crushing cubicle job + debt + a house (which is often a huge illiquid asset trapping you in a geographic area) + a wife + kids is all optional.

Working too much to buy shit you don't need is a trap. And it's not mandatory to fall into that trap. I strongly suggest younger (early 20s) red-pillers to make it a goal to save and invest such that by the time they are 30 they can afford to take an entire year off from working to travel abroad, and return home with enough to start anew. It's possible. SE Asia can cost less than $1000 per month easy.

You may need to hit the massive fucking RESET button on your situation someday, make sure you're in a financial position to do it.

[–]vacationlife-7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

i agree with you except

make it a goal to save and invest such that by the time they are 30 they can afford to take an entire year off from working to travel abroad, and return home with enough to start anew

This part is stupid. I hear it a lot from a lot of diff places, but it's how you stay stuck in the "have to work" phase of your life forever.

As an early 20s, or even early 30s man, don't just save money to throw it away later. And don't just save it to say "oh yeah I saved 100k finally". Save it and invest it in your future. Whatever you have a passion for, figure out a way to make it work for you.

Maybe you want to invest your money in stocks, then spend your spare time learning to do that properly and use your savings for that. Maybe you are in to programming, so instead of just working then sitting at home, you code in your own time to make apps or programs and start a business doing this. A guy I know spent his teens hacking computers illegally, but spent his offtime in his 20s running security checks of small local companies and turned that into a business. Play poker, a friend of a friend makes 5 figures a month doing that online now.

as a kid, my dad, although a beta, would make me help him repair shit around the house. Drywall, plumbing, roofing, painting, everything. So I got my real estate license in my spare time, used to buy a few houses a year, live in them while fixing them up fast, and sell them. Not that 'get rich quick' BS, but enough to turn a pretty nice profit every 2 months.

Whatever it is, the point is not to sit back on your ass and think showing up to work is "good enough". And by investing in your future and saving for that, you go from the guy who can save for a year to take a vacation to a guy who can take a much better vacation whenever he wants.

There are loads of opportunities in every sector and hobby for people to become rich off of. Use the skills and passions you have, or if you have none, get some.

Because it's a lot more fun when you and the people you care about can go on fun vacations where you can do whatever compared to a vacation where you have to budget everything and worry about running out of vacation money.

if one person who reads this starts on a path to investing in their future then it was worth the time to type this. why not have that be you?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Point taken. I didn't mean to say that everybody should take a year off to travel. But, it is important to break free from that paycheck-to-paycheck trap so that when life requires a massive change you can afford to make it (like switching careers, starting a business, moving across the country, etc.)

[–]vacationlife-1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

yeah no i get what you mean and it's not a bad idea, but when we're at the stage in our lives where we can really get ahead and small increases multiply themselves in the long run, i think some people overlook investing in themselves (not that fun) and go for the fun, short-term stuff like vacations, buying expensive shit, etc

but yeah breaks are good

[–]Aelius945 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nothing suggests this guy is being a victim. He's giving examples and it's naive to simply dismiss it likes it's a one off occurrence. The truth is the information given is spot on the money. TRP is sexual strategy and helps us see past the conditioning in that aspect but there is SO much more not being discussed and the OP example scratches the surface of that.

I've read a couple of peoples thoughts on wanting more information related to general life and adapting a 'TRP' mindset to those things which is great. Saying 'this sounds like a victim mindset, man up' is not the right attitude here. It's the same as saying 'grow some balls' when someone talks about not getting married etc.

A more TRP approach - You are going to have to earn money in this life. The truth is a lot of people live a 'slave' life. They go to school where they are told they're a failure if they don't go to college/university etc. They develop hopes and dreams, go to Uni and a lot of the time they finish and are forced into a job they don't like for 40-50 years. Yes you can blame the person but the system has no problem with it also. You need to see that it is EASY to fall into that trap. Blaming the individual for falling into is like blaming all the blue pillers out there who didn't have TRP information and simply get married/have kids because they think its the normal thing to do and anything else is failure. It's much deeper then that.

However whinging and moaning obviously gets you nowhere. Develop what's called Dark Triad mindset here and you can do anything you want. Abolish GUILT and WORRY and you'll suddenly have more time to think about getting what you want. Be SELFISH in all departments not just in relation to women. There's so much more to gain out of putting time and energy into ensuring you are in the top 1% of men compared to the top 10% and without Dark Triad traits it simply isn't going to happen. This obviously scratches the surface but I feel the OPs examples should not be dismissed. This is a reality. Don't whine, take advantage of those around you.

[–]UrRealDad4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This system of slavery is so effective, so complete that the average victim is literally pained to think for him/her self. Any spare moment is filled with the drone of tv, radio, games, internet, etc, often combinations of these things at any one time (internet with the tv on in the background, so not a single free second is left open to free thought).

We are slaves to the system, completely and totally, even when we realize it we can not escape. Those that attempt freedom are ostracized while any and every benefit of life is removed. The lure of women is the most effective tool to keep men in line and the hording of possessions (nest building for the children) keep women on the one true path.

All hail the mighty dollar. In consumables we trust.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

But man, this is not correct. Your ambitions in life should not be "rich" only and not your priority number 1, i know it makes your life easier. But theres alot more into life than being rich.

[–]Nebulose111 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like something rich people say to keep the poor immobilized.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

And if you manage to pay off your house, save enough for a nest egg, and retire gracefully, it's only a matter of time before you get sick and need to sell all your possessions and house to pay the medical bills. Circle of life

[–]R3v4mp3d4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There was a funny video of a guy in America who broke his leg and the doctors told him that it would cost 20000$ to fix it "using the most modern techniques".

He went to Spain (or something) and fixed it for 1-2000 $. He then concluded that with 20000$ he could live there a scarce life (no restaurants; just home meals) for 6 months, learn the language, see the place and experience it thoroughly.

If you're open minded and flexible enough, there are always solutions ;).

[–]SCROTAL-SACK2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is so fucking stupid and naive. You work to survive and eat and entertain yourself. Do you think it'd be any different if everyone was "free" as you put it? It'd be even harder. You'd be scraping by hunting and foraging for food, rain or fucking shine.. hot or cold.. living in a mud shack fending off lions and shit. You think that isn't WORK? I type this sat here in an air-conditioned office where I work as a so called "slave".. I know where I'd rather be.. It's no different, except I'm comfier. I buy "useless" tools because I want to. I enjoy them because they're part of my hobbies. These bought with the spare money I earned sat here in this office.. Money I wouldn't have if I were living in a shack hunting animals and eating garbage. I'm debt free. I don't need a big house, a small place is perfect for me, and leaves me with even more money. I only work half the year because I've put in the time to get to a level where I don't need to "slave" all week. You think business owners, the slave drivers you "make richer" didnt work? or don't work?

And FUCK marriage and kids anyway. That'll never be a part of my life.. nor should it be part of any smart man's so it's not even worth worrying about. Tax sucks, yes.. especially when it goes in the pockets of the lazy and fucking stupid. But my quality of life is better.. I have more than them regardless because I work for it. This isnt slavery, we've got it better than some alternatives. Cool story though, Tyler Durdin..

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I call this cycle "sucking the dick of the rich."

[–]frappa99901 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I havê a recomendation: read the book "the 4 hour work week". It will help you open up your horizon and live your life outside of the 9-5 norm.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is good advice; also read "Rich Dad Poor Dad."

[–]RamsayRedbeard1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

For the rest of the earth’s organisms, existence is relatively uncomplicated. Their lives are about three things: survival, reproduction, death—and nothing else. But we know too much to content ourselves with surviving, reproducing, dying—and nothing else. We know we are alive and know we will die. We also know we will suffer during our lives before suffering—slowly or quickly—as we draw near to death. This is the knowledge we “enjoy” as the most intelligent organisms to gush from the womb of nature. And being so, we feel shortchanged if there is nothing else for us than to survive, reproduce, and die. We want there to be more to it than that, or to think there is. This is the tragedy: Consciousness has forced us into the paradoxical position of striving to be unself-conscious of what we are—hunks of spoiling flesh on disintegrating bones.

[–]holzy4441 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't forget the price of homes and cars (as well as everything else people buy with credit) gets inflated because of the artificially low interest rates and fractional reserve banking. Couple that with the high tax rates and it all starts to look a little to well orchestrated.

"The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation." -Vladimir Lenin

[–]1cover201 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I am fighting the goddamn school system with one wrong decision after another about my kids. It's fucking insidious and it consumes vast amounts of time, then they just keep doing more of it waiting for me to wear out.

They want my kids. They are not going to get them. But it's made me a slave to this fight.

Until now they could not get me. I outsmarted all that other shit, rode easily above it. But this is a new degree of difficulty.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I remember those days when I used to come into work on Saturday and/or Sunday to do a job I hated because I was scared of the consequences of not doing so.

It makes me sick thinking about it.

[–]combatmechanic0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Join the Military...It is a very hard life, but over in 20 yrs, and then you are free. And don't get married :)

[–]1cover200 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Not enough pension to live on is it? Same deal if you're a cop, you go home every night, less dangerous by far, better pension.

[–]papersheepdog0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

from a comment I made a week ago:

What if we are all just sucker beta bucks (used and tossed) for our boss, our bosses boss, his boss and his, all the way up the power elite ladder. We get to pretend to be alphas while sucking the big corporate cock. Swallow or literally die, bitch. TRP will not change it. Hamster that.

I am not going to pretend to be some TRP expert, but I have experience with spiritual awakening and industrial society. As edgy as we all seem to think TRP is here, it very well does look like one of the system's neatest tricks. Coopting social movements which appear to be radical, but really which are needed to maintain the status quo of power. Sound crazy? good. Check it.

What is radical about TRP? isn't it just the apocalypse of the nuclear family and its enslavement of men? Our society pumps out betas to keep everything rolling. They are shit on and rejected, super sexually repressed, while the reality is that they will be used and tossed. No doubt women are used as well but in different ways. The trap of marriage leads to neither party giving a shit anymore about life because its already a "done deal." Everything secure, no need to try anymore, just make kids for the next generation of exploitation. A perfect example posted not long ago here. The old ways are falling, but some things seem to never change.

I think that abundance mentality is a sort of pinnacle which can be emulated by appearances. It's really easy in this society too, since so much of it is based in competition (deception+exploitation). Can't afford that new car? that bigger house? New clothes, jewelery, expensive food, whatever. It can all be used as a front to get pussy. Notice how everything seems to be an illusion in this society? False advertising. It works. You can be an asshole to women and they will think it's 'cause you have options.

This is all very different from actually improving yourself and becoming a better person. I think that your post kind of gets to this point, that you can be a whole human being and not just a front, and those in your life will benefit greatly as will you. God-tier alphas maybe will never need spiritual/human development to keep their woman and maybe that's their loss. The rest of us who try to follow TRP strictly might be looking at a lifelong maintenance of dread game just to keep a LTR going. Is that all there is to life?

[–]vacationlife--1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

lol this sounds like when a 15 year old first watches 'fight club'

OP, "you are not your apartment xd xd xd"

[–]NidStyles-1 points0 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

This sounds like victim-hood 101 nonsense to me.

If you are not able to save enough money to become financially independent within the first 10 years of your adult life, then you are obviously doing something wrong. This should be the goal for any man that wishes to stand on his own two feet, not this suckling sound your post is making.

Rich man hate is this way: https://www.tumblr.com/

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I think the point is you don't get rich by being ethical. You're either getting your dreams and ambitions wrung out of you in the form of your own sweat and labor to build someone else dreams and fortunes or the reverse.

[–]NidStyles0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

What does being rich have to do with masculinity?

[–]Squeezymypenisy0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think its funny that rich is equatef with the end of problems. It only elimantes the old issues. You can still lose it all if you aren't careful. I would never trust a heroin addict with money.

[–]NidStyles0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Likewise never trust a cokehead with your money either. Being rich just means you are more visible to the predators and leaches.

[–]ItIsMyPrivilege2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I think OP is just trying to make people wakeup from slavery. If one were rich, most of these problems wouldn't exist. Paying off the house fulling furnished with nice stuff? That would be paid for already if rich. At least my definition of rich based on actual rich people I know.

What op is talking about is: don't be a slave via taking on debts and burdens because society conditions us to think that is necessary to be happy.

[–]NidStyles5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

If you were rich you would have a completely different set of problems. Money doesn't make your life's problems go away.

I understood what the fucking OP was saying, what is with you guys that seem to think my post indicates that I didn't? What I am saying is that shit doesn't fucking matter.

You will always feel like a slave to reality, whether you have a printing press or Federal Reserve infinite money computer in your basement or not, with that mentality he's promoting here. You will always feel that way when you think with that victim mentality.

If you want to understand true freedom, sell everything you own and buy a cheap reliable motorcycle or car, and start driving across the nation. Do whatever you want for a year, and make an adventure out of it. Go backpacking in Asia or Europe or something. That is honestly the only way any of you will ever feel this false ideal of "freedom" that he's promoting here. The form of freedom that this guy is promoting is merely slavery to a different master.

If you want to become the guy that feels free, it means you have be able to think as if you were free, and not box yourself in with thinking that you need more of those paper shekels just to get that feeling, because that will just get you chasing a false ideal that isn't real.

[–]SCROTAL-SACK1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Someone in here gets it. Don't mind me, just fighting off this tiger for my next meal brb

[–]NidStyles0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't understand why stuff like this is so hard to understand. is the indoctrination really that strong in the schools now?

Most of this stuff was a no-brainer for the people I grew up with. You had to make a choice, live within the system and deal with the negative parts of it, or live outside of it, and deal with the negative parts of it.

It's like most of the younger dudes don't understand that they choice being presented by "get rich" for "feedumbs" isn't really a choice, it's still playing into the same master, just to greater degree. You still pay taxes to keep corporations going and politicians in their $10k suits.

I know it's getting harder to get by outside of the system, but I still run into people doing it every day.

[–]SCROTAL-SACK0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

What I don't get is; if they hate the system so much, working for the "masters", "buying shit they don't need to impress people they don't like" then why don't they just check out and live in the woods? It's that easy... Except they don't really want true freedom. Because that would mean giving up the comfy home, internet, electricity, hot water, healthcare, heating, shelter, good food, etc etc etc.

Fuck it, the gubunment should just give everyone a few milli and call it quits. Fight the power! ehh.. anyway Ive gotta go get in my sports car to g

[–]NidStyles0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The hamster is probably the strongest force of all physics. It's capable of making many humans do things that are counter to their directions in life.

This is why I fully support the lift over everything mantra. At least if you are lifting, you are building something other than a pile of papers that make you think you are free. With strength you are actually capable of being free. True dominance comes from this freedom.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon-1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy Link


These are your choices. Trying to quite heroine? Well that's an awesome step, but you don't get credit over the guy who never got addicted in the first place.

Everyone should work to survive - unless your basic needs are nil, every creature on the planet must pay its way or persuade others to pay its way for it, and you don't sound like you are a woman.

I hate this victim mentality of "I gotta work for a living, just because I gotta have a house and a car and nice food and my internet and TV".

Well you don't have to work. You can starve and die. You don't wanna do that do you? So you gotta work. But that's noone else's fault, so quit blaming "the system" or "the man".

Make your choices and be happy with them. You wanna keep your money? Then do so. Can't get a better job? Great, you are now working at your potential. Be happy for that, because it's all your skills and value deserve.

This whole "wageslave" victim mentality is bullshit. Here at TRP we take responsibility for ourselves.

[–]henry-jest3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

so quit blaming "the system"

I bet you know nothing about "the system" since you are defending it. For example USA monetary system is biggest scam in mankind history - few ultra-wealthy man, real owners of FED and USA, illegaly seized the right to print nice colored strips of paper they called "dollars". Those fake money (backed with nothing) are forced onto american people and rest of the world using laws and somethimes brute force. What's more this private produced dollars are lended out to Goverment for interests. Each dollar circulating in world is interest-bearing debt that enslaves populations that uses it and enriches owners of currency. I dont want to go into details, but over 90% of profits goes to the wealhiest 1% of people, and that why system is rigged. Whole population wealth is stolen/transferred with this fake money system... If you want more read some stuff:

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

fake money

Fiat currency is universal across the world. While you may disagree with it on many levels, it is the most successful system to have emerged.

Each dollar circulating in world is interest-bearing debt ...

This is a startling true fact about the world. More money is owed than exists. All dollars (and most other currencies) are created as a loan, and that loan has to be paid back with interest. The only way this can be paid back is to persuade (or necessitate) other people to borrow even more, because there is literally no other source of money than debt.

This is of course madness. However... however.... and this is an important concept: this mirrors other realities of life. Specifically that we must all work and earn because we all have needs that must be met to survive. In a way, we are all a liability in economic terms. That money works best when it mirrors reality is perhaps a deep universal truth.

Another way to think about this concept: if it were possible to pay off all debts, what would the world then look like? Well, some people would have money and some people would have just paid everything off. But then they'd still have to work, because they need to eat and have shelter and food and reddit access ...

There is however... and I believe this is the root problem... a "we got there first and we own it and now we rent it out to subsequent generations" mentality happening. With money, with housing, with capital ownership, and so on.

If you get there first, you can buy it (or create it) and rent it. If you get there second you have to rent it for a while and then perhaps buy it at market rate which is now high because of its rentable value (I am talking about housing, food production, capital assets, etc). The morality of this when applied across the generations is questionable.

90% of profits go to the wealthiest 1%...

This is universal in capitalism, although "profits" is a misleading term here. The top 1% certainly don't have 90% of everything.

The only known fix (if you see this as a problem) is heavy taxation and centralised control.

[–]henry-jest2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fiat currency is universal across the world. While you may disagree with it on many levels, it is the most successful system to have emerged.

Define "successful"... For who? Maybe for bankers and FED owners. For general population "fiat money success" means more hard work for less and less worth money.

This is of course madness. However... however.... and this is an important concept: this mirrors other realities of life.

Explain how fake fiat currency, illegaly established in 1913 "mirrors other realities of life"? Please do not make deep philosphy out of ordinary crimes and scams..

Specifically that we must all work and earn because we all have needs that must be met to survive.

Do we? I read somewhere than "primitive" Indians worked much less than people today, they had more social life and overall they were much happier than us. I think today humanity is richer tha ever, and yet it looks like we need to work hard just to stay stay alfoat.

The only known fix (if you see this as a problem) is heavy taxation and centralised control.

Nein. Right now the rich do not pay taxes at all. (they paid to create tax exempts). Some taxationof their income would be fine. Taking ability to create endless debt out of thin air would be even better. Creating gold standard would be good too. Here's powerful quote from Letter to Samuel Kercheval written by Thomas Jefferson (July 12, 1816)

  • I am not among those who fear the people. They, and not the rich, are our dependence for continued freedom. And to preserve their independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we run into such debts, as that we must be taxed in our meat and in our drink, in our necessaries and our comforts, in our labors and our amusements, for our callings and our creeds, as the people of England are, our people, like them, must come to labor sixteen hours in the twenty-four, give the earnings of fifteen of these to the government for their debts and daily expenses; and the sixteenth being insufficient to afford us bread, we must live, as they now do, on oatmeal and potatoes; have no time to think, no means of calling the mismanagers to account; but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains on the necks of our fellow-sufferers. Our landholders, too, like theirs, retaining indeed the title and stewardship of estates called theirs, but held really in trust for the treasury, must wander, like theirs, in foreign countries, and be contented with penury, obscurity, exile, and the glory of the nation. This example reads to us the salutary lesson, that private fortunes are destroyed by public as well as by private extravagance. And this is the tendency of all human governments. A departure from principle in one instance becomes a precedent for a second; that second for a third; and so on, till the bulk of the society is reduced to be mere automatons of misery, and to have no sensibilities left but for sinning and suffering. Then begins, indeed, the bellum omnium in omnia, which some philosophers observing to be so general in this world, have mistaken it for the natural, instead of the abusive state of man. And the fore horse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follows that, and in its train wretchedness and oppression.

And one more quote from early Alan Greenspan (before he joined dark side ;)

  • Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights. If one grasps this, one has no difficulty in understanding the statists' antagonism toward the gold standard.

[–]exoduslife2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Everyone should work to survive...

Similar to a quote I read last night: Nature has made up her mind that what cannot defend itself shall not be defended.

I hate this victim mentality...

This isn't really victim mentality, if you live in a shitty house, eat barely enough, have an old CRT type TV and dial up modem you're still paying for it.

If you can escape the need to rely on outside sources for your survival that is great, perhaps this is what OP had in mind when writing the post. Grow your own food, living off the grid (no power, no running water, shitting in the woods like the pope, etc).

...so quit blaming "the system"...

"The system" is what we are. Every choice you make is likely to be dependant on the system. To get to a point where we aren't reliant on the system we have to work the system for a while at least.

[–]SCROTAL-SACK0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I love how every rational and sane comment in here is getting downvoted. +1 to you.

[–]Squeezymypenisy-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have seen so many rant/venting posts lately. I don't mind it, but are that many guys getting out of the anger phase? I stopped reading after the heroin part. Until he cleans up the hard drugs he has a long way to go.

[–]Squeezymypenisy-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Heroin? Lol yea fuck that, anyone who tried that is a fucking loser. Its your life, but I would advise you to stop doing drugs. You make your own way and life. True freedom does not exist, you will always be a slave in some way. Go for financial independence. Save your money. Enjoy life.

[–]vacationlife-4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

you can be truly free if you really want. just sell everything, wander into a large national forest, and the end. You are now free.

you pay no taxes, you answer to nobody, nobody is there to tell you what to do, you live off the land or you can use the money to come down once a month and buy a few supplies, but you're free.

i did this for 2 months just to see what it's like, turns out winning at life is more fun than living like that.

[–]VivaCheeseWhiz0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That sounds like a great story, actually.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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