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Some words of wisdom from an old pro I met

January 21, 2019
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So at my old work, there's this old dude who flirts with all the young girls and they all love him, talks to everyone, and everyone thinks he's the man.

I was talking to him about women and relationships, more or less seeking some guidance in terms of spinning plates and having relationships and what not. The main point of the convo was geared towards LTR's and my persistent foolish craving of them.

He advocated an idea that seems to be lost in a lot of the new recruits joining in on the manosphere, and that idea is to not jump on the LTR bandwagon that all your friends are a fan of.

He said, " People should be getting into relationships when they hit like 40-50, and even me (he's 46) I got a whole list of girls that are in and out of my circle. Think of like a baby getting $3000 yeezys, that shits retarded and he's gonna grow out of it in like 3 months, now you got some size 2, pieces of Chinese garbage, that could've been the baby's first car."

Crack open any women's phone over the age of 16, you'll find HUNDREDS of messages from many, many, horny betas, and alphas alike, all trying to slide into her sausage wallet.

Why. Are. You. Trying. To. Be. Exclusive. With. These. Women.

Why the fuck would you get an expensive, tailored, bomb ass suit when you're only 12? Why would you wipe your ass before you take a shit? There are answers to these questions. What if you were taught from birth by your mommy to wipe before you poop, or your daddy who bought you that suit from his corporate slave job.

Allow yourself to grow. It's not fair to you, or these women, to be put under the pressure of a long term relationship with someone. Unless you're getting into a relationship to learn how to please a woman and fuck up a lot, don't do it. EVEN THEN, you'd be better off learning how to please any women, not just that one HB6 that you LTR'd for like 6 months.

It only ends in heartbreak, divorce, or someone you got sick of that's still around.

Just keep spinning and getting rich, eventually, you'll travel the world and find an ACTUAL woman who wants to settle down.

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Title Some words of wisdom from an old pro I met
Author ElementArrow
Upvotes 102
Comments 36
Date January 21, 2019 11:56 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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[–]markinsinz738 points39 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The. Reason. Most. Men. Want. Ltr. Now. Is :

Cause few men truly have abundance. Even the men in the top 20% get eventually settled down by one of their FWBs and you know the experience if relationships can be very healthy for many.

But at the core of it all is a lack of abundance. And all the players I've met eventually get tired of the hustle required to constantly maintain and acquire new plates. Keep in mind most of the world's players/high value smv men that have a rotation of women are not aware of TRP or the concepts of plate management. So they don't know tricks and frame maintenance and shit but even then it's still a big strain on missions and shit because plates eventually fall and break.

Overall a man who has a constant single tap of sex running can way easier focus on missions and shit while the guy who's dealing with multiple bitches will get slowed down comparatively speaking.

Trp is a small small world man. Many peeps and great contributors have taken what they can and gone on to live. Point being the knowledge of constantly spinning till 35+ is to the benefit of few.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There is a very big difference between being in a LTR with options and being in a beta LTR without any options and your self-worth being completely dependent on the woman you're with.

I'll try to list some advantages of being in a LTR: 1. Actually coming home to someone you like 2. She makes your home a warm and cozy place where you feel at home, she cares more about little details and cute things than you ever will 3. She will make you a genuinely warm and kinder person. If you don't think this is beneficial for you, you don't know enough successful people 4. You can raise children in a stable environment 5. You will have a MUCH bigger social life, because guess what, all your friends are married too, your boss is married too, your customers are married too, and they will have couples' dinners, etc, etc..

I could spend plenty of time trying to convince you with other arguments but if you don't see how a wife can be an extremely powerful political, emotional, and social tool, I don't think you ever will.

I know there are a lot of guys here who try to be this Batman mysterious playboy figure who maintains a perfect diet and lifts every day, but that's just not how life works. We all differ but I'm extremely skeptical whether that will get you a lot of happiness.

[–]majani12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Reality is, most men are average/low SMV, and their best sexual strategy is to give one low SMV woman all the effort they can. Redpill will always only be for a fraction of the small percentage of high SMV guys.

[–][deleted] 47 points48 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I also find funny how essentially all modern "men" are poof-like mommie boys and they are all upset because they don't have a girlfriend in their 20's. Most men don't deserve a woman at all in the slightest. I tell most guys I meet this. What have you done to become a man?

[–]PM_Me_OK13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah well its not just the men who dont deserve shit.

[–]whatnololyea6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, to be exact, no one deserves shit. You only get things depending on how much value you give.

It's just that women inherently have more value than men, specifically young women because they have pussy.

That's why "men don't deserve shit" because dick is a bad currency and a man has to have some value before he gets anything.

[–]McVaghunter11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

>eventually, you'll find an ACTUAL woman who wants to settle down.

1: implying that the end game of a redpilled man is to find a woman to spend the rest of his days with because he's afraid of being alone

2: implying that not AWALT and that there's an ACTUAL special woman worth settling down with

3: implying that I need to level up my maturity in order to be lucky enough to have a woman change her mind and actually WANT to settle down with me

4: implying that when I'm 60 yo my sexual desires will switch from craving fresh teenage pussy to actually be able to have a boner for 40 yo dried out floppy vaginas

[–]Battagliare4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You nailed it dude. I've enjoyed the burn.

[–]freethinker_121 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is the Actual Woman also known as “The One”?

[–]Pintsmithy26 points27 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

I'm this guy at my work (just turned 50) . I spin plates and have not yet found someone worth settling down with. I've had LTRs but now it seems pointless as I have options and I still dont know what I want entirely. I'm still getting better, still improving . And I dont plan on stopping. Everyone one of my plates says I'm the best lover they ever had. I hear this consistently. But I haven't always heard it. Cause I got better. And better. I didnt just hit a certain level or a certain person and stopped growing. I've been on an upward trajectory since I can remember, and its helped improve all areas of my life. I still read and learn and lift and acquire the clothes that make me look my best.

I guess I'm just agreeing with OP and dont recommend settling just because you got lazy or any other reason to give up your freedom and independence. Trust me it gets better.

[–]dani0987 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

What age range do you typically date in your 50s? I’m 35 and I seem to attract women around 24 to 26, sometimes younger sometimes older. What about you?

[–]Pintsmithy16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's more of a case by case basis but I generally date women in their 30s. I occasionally pull 20-somethings (I work at a university so I've dated bartenders at the student pub) but I'm not a prof abusing my position, just an IT guy that gets to go to the pub at lunch. I have a 41 yo plate as well but the sex and convenience are high so it's something I do willingly. You never stop being attracted to 20 somethings, you just find those cases are special or unique. It's not like you are going to go to their place with her 3 roommates and play jenga. She comes with you, you never meet her friends and I suspect she keeps you a secret as much as you keep her a secret.

Edit: I've only been 50 for a few days

[–]dani0985 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks dude. Perfect answer

[–]purplecabbage2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm 46 but haven't figured out the plate spinning yet. Only been dating for 20 months or so (got divorced). Seems like all the women I get with want more than casual, so leave when they don't get what they want.

[–]Morphs_9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You're probably still imprinted with the idea of marriage based on most of your life experience. So it takes some time to figure out how an AF guy actually goes about things.

When it comes to The Talk, always be prepared to walk away. That's why spinning plates gives power.

Become the best lover you can be. Be awesome in the bedroom and make sure you don't give LTR vibes like hanging out too much in a nonsexual context.

First impressions matter, so don't get into that comfort building with her too quickly. Learn to build sexual tension and don't shy away from not being that dependable man that she wants to reel in.

[–]purplecabbage5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good points, I think you're right. I also know I've got way better game (and success) with less attractive women and married women. The attractive ones intimidate me because of how I respond to them. I see myself pedesalizing them and wanting to please them because of fear of them walking away. Pathetic, I know, but my history is like that. Working on the IDGAF without feeling sorry for them (I'm an empathetic dude). Thanks for the tips!

[–]Atheist_Utopia1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I assume you must be really handsome for a 50 year old then?

[–]Pintsmithy6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well I conduct myself as if I am, it's not really for me to decide.

[–]BigBeardDaddyK1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This! Awesome to know sleeping around when you get older still works. I'm 24 and have 0 intention on settling down for a few decades. This made me happy reading this haha.

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[–]BewareTheOldMan6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

don’t commit to [any woman] over 25 years old...

It's funny, but when I tell young women that High Value/Top Tier Men REFUSE to consider 25 and older women for nothing but sex, they almost all go into the hivemind diatribe of how "25 is not that old" and "how shallow men can be for considering any woman over 25 as used up," etc.

These SAME women fail to consider that almost every man is keenly aware that a never-married, 25 and older woman has been routinely getting railed by an undetermined number of dicks, sucking off random dudes, cheated on one or two "boyfriends," or could have possibly and very REALISTICALLY had an abortion or a strain of sexual diseases due to all the random dick being slammed in and out of her vagina.

A 25 and older woman might not even be fertile because it's likely she NEVER considered quarterly STD checks and routine medical care based on all that high risk sex. It's as if women don't even consider that men are smart enough to place themselves as priority versus worshiping any woman who passes in his view.

NOTE: For perspective, the CDC places women with 10 or more sexual partners as high risk. Many women are triple, quadruple, or into the high 60s to 80s on their N-Count...and have almost no shame for slut behavior.

There are NO 25-year-old virgins. Most teen girls can't make it to 17 WITHOUT getting bent over someone's couch.

The idea that some idiot would happily marry a slut is a basic expectation from many women. There's no consideration that men would say "Hell NO!"

That's why they're so damn angry. Bottom Line - women have from ages 18 to 24 to secure a husband. If they're STILL casually dating AFTER 25, they're practically begging for spinsterhood.

Most women will disagree, but at some point women have to consider men's expectations, standards, and requirements IF they truly want marriage, family, and a fulfilling relationship.

From a male perspective and with men who KNOW the truth about women, it makes little sense to marry women who gave their very best years to random men for free and with almost zero requirements.

Men have to do what's best for them versus what's best for women. We're way past putting women first.

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[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lets say you’re age 40 her shes 23. Do you think any girl under age 25 is going to want to commit to a 40 year old man purely out of desire?

You only say that beause you're a young guy who doesn't fully understand women yet. Read and become enlightened:

Older Men, Younger Women: How & When It Can Work

-For Older Men who prefer Younger Women, and vice versa.

[–]moroi7 points8 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Well, why the fuck would I care why is she with me? Of course she'll be with me for status and money, but my dick cares not about these things.
She does all the things I want, she stays. She tries to fuck some boy toy, she goes ...or gets demoted to plate.

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[–]moroi19 points20 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Everyone uses everyone. Woman is incapable of loving you the way you want her to love you (the way you love her). It's ingrained biological fact that she will use you for resources, security and seed, so you use her back for what you want, and you both try to make it work within realistic parameters. That's the definition of relationship for me anyway.

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[–]moroi1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh, I love(d) all my women, often more than is/was wise. I merely keep realistic expectations.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women use men for children.

Women use men.

Or is your woman going to love you like similarly to Orpheus and Eurydice?

[–]dani0981 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks dude. Perfect answer

[–]MrGreySD3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Completely. The moment I stopped trying to find a relationship is when I found happiness.

Ironically I now technically have a girlfriend (she's 20, from a better culture than the west, insanely hot, and I took her virginity). Loyal as hell. I am her king. BUT IN SPITE OF ALL THIS, I STILL do not have the mindset of commitment. I of course keep this on the down-low. Been there doing "the moral thing" in the past. Still got screwed over.

Look after number one first.

[–]Atheist_Utopia1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

How did you catch such a prime piece?

[–]clouddevs3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

REPOSTING IT HERE SINCE IT WAS REMOVED FROM TRP DUE TO LOW KARMA

Hi Everyone,

This is my first post here. Very grateful for everyone here.

This post is about Chanakya Neeti - a 2500 year old text written by one of the finest minds of India (who successfully defended against Alexander)

The original text is in Sanskrit but I am pasting the english versions :

Chanakya says that money is one of the most significant assets a man must have. It brings you you the honor, support and makes you capable to deal with calamities.

Test a wife at time when your wealth is lost, a friend in need, relatives at the time of crises and servant on some important mission.  the person experiences heavenly joy: · Whose son is obedient · Whose wife is faithful · Who is satisfied with his possessions  A friend who is no good shall not be trusted, nor trust a friend who has not proven bad. They may reveal your secrets to others when not in good terms with you.  A wise person grooms his child carefully because only an educated person with high morale is given true respect in society.  Chanakya advises not to overindulge with your child, pupil and students. It will spoil them.  The following are on self-destruction mode: · The tree on a bank of a river · A woman in house of stranger · A king with stupid/bad/cunning counselors  As people desert a weak king, a prostitute deserts improvised customer and birds leave a withered tree. In same manner the guests must leave the house of host after having food.  As a tree laden with scented flowers spreads fragrance in whole forest. A worth son brings glory to whole family, clan and country.  Chanakya says to use cane over a child only after 5. This can continue for 10 more years. Once the son achieves his 16th; all you can do is to treat him as a friend.  The best place to live is where fools are not honored, grains are stored safely, where husband and wife don’t quarrel. Goddess Laxmi (Goddess of wealth) resides at such locations.  A man must leave a religion without love and compassion, must leave a teacher without knowledge. Also its better to leave a short tempered wife and relatives with no love and respect for you.  Fools are jealous with wise men, poor is with rich. In the same manner prostitutes are jealous of pious ladies.  For a person with absolute knowledge, heaven is of least significance. A true warrior gives a little importance to his life. For a true sage woman is of no use and for a person with control over desire, whole world looses its significance.  A person with sufficient money make a lot many friends and even more relatives. The interesting part is that he is also considered wise and full of wisdom.  A king pays for the sins of his countrymen, royal priest has to pay for the deed of king. A husband has to pay for deed of his wife and a teacher pays for the deeds of his pupils  If a snake is non-poisonous, then too it must pretend like one with ability to take life.  It is always essential to save money. A man can attract a woman, only if he has wealth. But he must never lose sight of the fact, that they are both fickle in nature. Both money and woman can deceive him at any moment!  A woman is believed to be more delicate than a man. But a woman is four times more brazen than a man. She also has six times his courage and eight times his sexual strength !  When a man is deceived by the notion that a woman has fallen in love with him, he is unaware of the fact that he has become a mere puppet in her hands!  Duplicity, abrupt displays courage, coquetry, deception, greed, profligacy and quarrelsomeness are the natural characteristics of a woman. One must not feel confounded, seeing her behave this way!  Only a chaste, astute, virtuous and mellifluous woman, who remains faithful to her husband, truly deserves his patronage. Such a wife is a godsend to any man. Blessed, is the man, who has found such a woman to be his wife!  Even as a woman gets older, she continues to cling to the illusory notion that she is younger than her age. She endeavors to look as captivating as possible, in an effort to prolong her youth indefinitely! 

You can read more here : https://www.1hindi.com/chanakya-niti-in-hindi-for-women-pdf-download/

[–]farshadnm0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

unrelated to the topic, but i read the old man's quotes in Sam Elliott's voice.

[–]Aiox1230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

"sausage wallet".... I'm stealing that one. Thanks for a great post.

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