Stop torturing yourself, just fuck her or don't.

July 19, 2018

I probably don't have a whole lot of room to talk on this forum, but I've definitely earned my stripes out there in the real world.

I've tried to save strippers, suicidal girls, watched my own high school sweetheart get pumped and dumped by Chad not once, but twice (baby daddies and all, and yeah, we talked about having kids one day), had to pay hookers just to feel normal. Just to feel like there's not something horribly fucking wrong with me.

I've fallen truly and deeply in love with women who couldn't be faithful. I cared about them...wanted better for them. Protected them. Provided for them. This forum does a pretty good job killing the blue pill but honestly it dresses shit up and tries to find a happy median too often.

Women will never be faithful forever. I don't care how tight your game is. They CAN'T. Don't expect it and you won't get burned.

All that marriage, house, kids, long term relationship goals, the fairy tale ending?? It's HER job to worry about that shit.

Your job as a man is to build and enjoy your life and to fuck her. That's all.

Stop putting your heart out there, foreal. You don't have anything if you aren't fucking, there's nothing to talk about or waste your time thinking about. So care about fucking her first (and only) and let these little girls worry about all that other shit.

TL:DR Stop building castles in the sky. We get it, you're a good guy and you want a family one day. Stop holding onto that mushy shit and do your goddamn job. Stop torturing yourself, just fuck her or don't.

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Title Stop torturing yourself, just fuck her or don't.
Author 2stepp
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Date July 19, 2018 8:20 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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[–]ThePlague242 points243 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Good point. Men should guard their willingness to commitment with the same ferocity as women once did their virginity, and how they still use their gatekeeper role of sex to their advantage. Like women did and still do, the ever-present question for men should always be: what do I get out of it?

[–]ISaidThatOnPurpose110 points111 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Asking this question is hilarious in public. People throw their hands in the air like "whoa whoa whoa how dare you! Shes a female, that is more than enough"

It's not.

[–][deleted] 29 points30 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Agree with the question posed at the end. Ask any dude dating a HB4 or an average chick what they get out of it and they are stumped every time

[–]MarcosDomingues22 points23 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

They will tell you they love her for who she is.

[–]bikermonk0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

or who she is.

THe pussy they managed to land on

[–]hiaf14 points15 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Posts that say you only need to be in the top 10% is useful advice to bang chicks, but there is ALWAYS room for improvement. Much like the top 5 or 10 percent of males are fucking the best broads, I personally believe the girls that have a career, good values and are pretty are fucking the 1% of those men. It is much like how jewish girls marry jewish guys, or wealthy girls date wealthy guys, it is a family thing. You HAVE to be in that 5-10% range and *then* differentiate yourself from them.

A lot of the struggles I have had with TRP is setting aside my empathy and need to help others by first helping myself and focusing myself so I can make a bigger impact on this world than anyone else. Once I've done that I've realized that you can identify girls a lot better who represent a wholesome family life, whether they are unicorn or not is your duty,

[–]187oddfuture8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Women's careers only affect their lays insofar as who they're around. Secretaries are trying to fuck their bosses, nurses are trying to fuck doctors, etc. You can't fuck her career, or her money. Unless you want papercuts on your dick.

[–]Nocryingok16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I can't have sex with your personality,

and I can't put my penis in your college degree,

and I can't shove my fist in your childhood dreams,

So why you sharing all this information with me?

[–]CherryJewels239 points240 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Think I needed this exact post real shit

[–]OfficerWade30 points31 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I do too. Let me smash bro!!!!! whipes tears

[–]ozaku7173 points174 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for sharing your poor life choices and priorities.

Women don't want to be saved. Strippers strip for money, suicide girls want to kill themselves and not remain alive, and girls getting pumped and dumped by Chads are never marriage material because they make a poor decision with men and you make a poor decision by picking women who have poor decision making relative to their own gender.

You can have a family, but first consider whether you are a normal guy who may deserve a normal woman or whether you live in a societal ghetto where all of you are just fucked up.

Harsh words, but I don't see your life. I wouldn't be surprised if 95% of these cry posts would come from corners of the city where we would expect this low-life shit to happen.

[–]digital_dreams69 points70 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Haha, that's a great way to word it.

You are demonstrating poor decision making by getting involved with women who have poor decision making abilities.

[–]BostonPillParty27 points28 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Instructions unclear. Touched the hot stove...again.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm way to good at touching hot stoves. :(

[–]BostonPillParty4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Beauty of life is that you will learn, at your own pace.

That or your hands burns off and you die if you keep repeating a wrong behavior. But that’s actually good too (and hopefully rare?)

[–]tmbb12 points13 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

While I agree that drugs and strippers are not going around in a nice neighborhood the post still has merit because AWALT. Guard your commitment gents.

[–]ozaku76 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

AWALT = All women bleed once a month.

You can yell AWALT all you want, but you can't compare a ghetto whore with your silent receptionist at your local lawyer firm. We both have a crotch with itches and physical preferences of the other sex by whom we want our crotch itch to get scratched, but damn, AWALT only goes so far.

[–]187oddfuture4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

NAWALT is a very dangerous trap to get yourself into. AWALT is useful because its been proven time and time again throughout the manosphere that women cheat. They manipulate, they branch swing, the slut around, etc. This happens to all of us multiple times in our journey here and after becoming red-pilled. You can't actively look for a NAWALT. If you do, you'll just inevitably project onto your potential candidates and get burned in the end. If you find one, you find one. But that's like finding a needle in a thousand haystacks.

[–]ozaku721 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You see, that's the entire problem with this community. We don't know who you are, we don't know where you come from and what kind of women you chase.

Noone knows if you are a decent bloke that people love and the decent women are looking for. Maybe it's just that the decent women aren't attracted by the goobers of this community, and all that's left is the thrash that no decent guy would ever want except stick their dick inside of them or some hopeless beta who wants a sexmaid in his life over a decent wife.

So this makes you think, because the incel subreddit surely won't be full of normal men who put themselves out there, or men who actually look atleast average. No, it's full of genetically unlucky men who have shit personalities, a twisted view of reality and a shit approach to life. And as the same with this subreddit, we might still be looking at the bottom 40% of men.

Most men can't even understand why women cheat, or why men cheat. Maybe the guy isn't fucking his wife right, or even enough. Maybe, she is really sick of his shit and he is too blind to see that he's a total whiney loser. Maybe because the woman isn't getting anything masculine from him in the relationship and feels rather she is living with a baby because the man put up a facade when they met, which crumbled and showed his real self (which is the origin of shit tests and if you are a decent guy, you don't even need to think about them because you will pass them without realizing it was a shit test to begin with).

So this is exactly why I am starting to question bitches on this subreddit calling AWALT all the time, because they have no clue WHY women are like this. Men cheat too, except it's not you, you are the types that want to have a woman for life, have all the good from her without giving anything that she wants back, making it a one sided transaction. Then TRP kicks in, which includes the anger that you actually have to offer something in return to maintain that relationship and desire from her side. Much like men don't want to marry because it's a one sided transaction, women don't want a man that has nothing masculine to offer to her and only top 10% can (which coincidentally, only those top 10% have confidence, physique, and success).

So maybe there is truly an AWALT, but maybe there is also this tiny commnunity of goobers in this world which all gathered on this subreddit who have such problems with women that the rest of the population doesn't have. It's a form of feminism, except for men. Don't hate the player, hate the game and blame yourself for sucking at it.

[–]WishIWasAMuppet36 points37 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

A faithful woman is possible. But you’ll never find one by rummaging through club trash to get her.

[–]ozaku714 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. Most men on this sub don't want a relationship and just want to get laid with no strings attached, which is what you find in a club.

If you want a faithful woman, a club isn't your best location for that.

[–]a_radanoff0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So you want to say that club isn't the best place to find love?

[–]Demiurge_Decline0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thats a sour pill to swallow. Not sure to clap or to walk away lol

[–]smirk_addict0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I am always baffled by the cognitive dissonance of these types of posts. How do you you use your pathetic behavior and experiences with literally the worse kind of women to preach some universal commandment?

[–]Mattreddit760-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Truth.. wtf sluts aren’t marriage material and don’t care about me... ummm no shit lol

[–]U-9459 points60 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The fairy tale ending is just the fantasy thought of lazy people "Ooh one day I can stop working/lifting/going out/etc" so they can stay home, do nothing and get fat. They can't conceive that the train just keeps rolling from one old challenge to a new one.

[–]thesturg15 points16 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

What options does this leave to a man who wants to raise his own children?

[–]ariky43 points44 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think you need to give birth to your own children in this situation. Imma seahorse.

[–]trp_throwaway_8835 points36 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The way I am internalizing this is to think about it like a business deal. Both sides want to complete a certain task together, pooling their common resources to the same end. That doesn't stop agents in a deal from jockeying for position and essentially ignoring that desire in the name of getting the best deal. This is why they always talk about being outcome-independent and having abundance mentality: you want children, but there's no reason it has to be with that specific woman. She's the one with the clock ticking -- if she really wants to have your children then she will earn it before she expires. If she doesn't then she wasn't the right woman to have your children.

I struggle with the same idea because I want my own children too, but I know (and am trying to internalize as my default state of being) that if I'm not miserly with my value, the wrong woman will bear them and all hell will break loose.

[–]ThePantsThief5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nothing. This post provides nothing of real substance. OP has left the blue pill mindset behind and is exclaiming a recent revelation he has had.

If you're worth being faithful to, then not all women will eventually be unfaithful. Not even the majority (so no, not AWALT in this case).

If you're a chump, then of course they'll all eventually betray you. But that's your own fault. And it's why most of us are here: to better ourselves and raise our SMV.

[–]NormalAndy11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

TLDR/TLDR: fuck women, don't fuck yourself.

[–]ISaidThatOnPurpose16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're essentially asking the free milk cow to make you a sales pitch for itself lol

[–]The_Steezy_E18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This shit hits home and I fucken hate it man this is so surreal.

[–]FMLhehe9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My dad always told me this while growing up: You won't ever be her first one nor her last one.

[–]Dazzing679 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

girls nowadays just have horribly inflated egos and unrealistic standards, all they can bring to the table is pussy and they still complain about only being seen as a sex object. while that's literally all they got to offer.

[–]dr_warlock5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Seeing a woman for better than she is called infatuation. Mentally inflating the value of someone AKA pedestaling. That's what women want, a blind man. Not seeing past her faults, but actually can't see them at all.

[–]187oddfuture4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Which can be distilled to the male practice of projection. As we know, women are biologically incapable of loving a man the way a man loves a woman. As such, men fall into a trap when they project the traits of their idealized love onto their woman, who not only has no idea what he sees, but does not have any intention of fulfilling any of his ideals.

[–]Dazzing672 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

found something crazy on twitter, females were actually demanding to be put on the pedestal, a guy called a girl cute but they thought that wasn't enough. it's really fucking crazy how they just blurt that shit out like it sounds logical lmao

[–]trp_throwaway_8821 points22 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

All that marriage, house, kids, long term relationship goals, the fairy tale ending?? It's HER job to worry about that shit.

This really distilled the "men are gatekeepers of commitment" mantra for me in a way none of the other great writings on here had done. If she's the one chasing your commitment, it's her job to make those things attractive to you! I still want those things deep down, and the big battle in getting back into the game is knowing that those wants will lead me astray far more than they'll end in something that benefits me. Since I want them I'm intrinsically less likely to make her work for me to give them to her. Bad move!

Good post.

[–]digital_dreams3 points4 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

I'm a bit new here, but aren't most people on this sub against marriage?

[–]TheTrenTrannyTrain9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Copy pasta.

There are a lot of moving parts to your comment, which pretty much cover the spectrum of TRP theory.


First, I'm a lawyer; and I view marriage through a legal lens. It's important to distinguish matrimony (the [spiritual] union of two people as a committed couple) and marriage (the enforceable contract governed by the state which transfers legal title to property from one person to another).

In common parlance, marriage = matrimony. In order to demonstrate your love for your partner, you're supposed to have a ceremony that expresses your intent to be bonded with this person forever (or at least, that's what is socially expected). And while you and your significant other go through this matrimonial ceremony, it's also customary to pledge your property and financial assets to each other and promise to financially support the income-weaker between you two, until they die or remarry. Doesn't that sound romantic?

The advice against marriage is business advice. You wouldn't just jump into a business partnership with any yahoo who might embezzle from you and irresponsibly crash your business, but people haphazardly choose to pledge their financial security to their significant other without a second thought. They only sober up when things don't play out happily ever after, and now they're on the hook to comply with a court order to split assets and pay spousal maintenance.

So the TRP advice against marriage isn't synonymous with advice against matrimony; TRP advice against marriage is like a lawyer, CPA, financial advisor, and insurance actuary giving you financial investment advice about how you should be careful about who has access to your valuables.

TRP, in general

Second, at its core, TRP seeks to answer one question: what stimulus do women really respond to? Our culture teaches us that people, both men and women, should behave in a certain way and that relationships should be a certain way. This gives all of us certain expectations for how people should behave and react to us.

But social and cultural values don't always reflect nature. Masturbation may be a sin according to Judeo-Christian ethics and we're all expected to refrain from touching ourselves sexually; but as sexual creatures, boys and girls will always experiment with masturbation, even if they don't talk about it in public.

So what other things might we be expected to do publicly that we naturally do differently without discussing it? What things do people really respond to, especially when it comes to sex and physical attraction? Furthermore, what does it really mean to be in a relationship?

These are the questions TRP seeks to understand the answers to, free from the cultural and social framing we grew up with.

The results seem to be that people are not as pious as one might socially expect. Turns out, women like sex just as much as men (if not more than men). Turns out, fidelity is a wonderful virtue; but the median person doesn't behave virtuously.

So there's a clash between our socially developed expectations and the reality of how people act and the kind of behavior they respond to.

Anger Phase

Many men go through the anger phase as a result of the contrast between their expectations that women should be a certain way and how they really are. These men in the anger phase are hostile toward women because they blame women for their difference from the guy's expectations.

But these men are just angry fools. Eventually, the wise ones of them will grow past their own foolishness and stop being angry at women and learn to accept women for who they are and how they react to things. We can only know truth when we listen without opinion.

TRP Theory

Ultimately, the view is that the median person honestly doesn't want a long term relationship. Well, more specifically, the median person's actions are moreso driven by short term interests rather than long term goals.

While men and women pay lip service to the notion of being in a long term committed relationship, their actions indicate the contrary. Despite the fact that they may appreciate the emotional stability and financial support of a long term relationship, the problem is that those traits are not sexually exciting.

Sex is about excitement. Muscled men are exciting. Passion is exciting. Things that are new are exciting. Things that are old are neither passionate nor exciting.

So it's difficult to maintain a long term, boring, unexciting relationship when we are biologically wired to respond positively to new, passionate, exciting things, especially when sex is in the mix.

TRP on Attraction

You cannot negotiate attraction. Sexual attraction is not the result of a pragmatic chain of logical conclusions. Instead, sexual attraction is a hormonal, chemical response, often almost uncontrollable. At the end of the day, we are all just animals; so we shouldn't be surprised when people behave like animals.

Because sex and sexual attraction is exciting and exciting things have a tendency to drive our short term decision making, people are more likely to follow their hormones rather than their rational, pragmatic logic when it comes to sexual opportunities.

TRP on Women

So it isn't that TRP hates women or thinks women are second class (well, not as a main focus of the subject, at least). It's that TRP is about the reality of what people want, as determined by their actions, not as determined by their words. And it certainly appears that the median man and woman will act on their sexual attraction to other people, even when they are in a "committed" relationship. They will lie about it, they will twist certain truths, they will dodge responsibility, and they will eventually get bored and unfulfilled by the stagnant old relationship and pursue the new and exciting relationship.

This doesn't mean long term relationships are impossible, just statistically improbable because all women, all people, are still human and are still driven by their biological urges. AWALT.

Again, TRP isn't about hating women. TRP is about figuring out what stimulus women really respond to, and how we as men can realistically increase our success with women, mostly in a sexual context, but also to a lesser degree in long term relationships.

TRP on Plate Spinning

Plate spinning is just a practical approach to the transient sexual game between men and women. It's saying, "hey, I didn't make the rules to this game; I just understand how it's played. Chances are good that she [whoever] isn't the kind of girl you want to take home to meet your parents, but you still want to get your dick wet. As the 'relationship' is going to crash eventually, you might as well enjoy the ride while you can. She isn't yours; it's just your turn."


Ultimately, all of this is positive toward relationships between men and women because it's a study of discovering exactly what women want. By giving them exactly what they want, they are the most happy and we receive what we want. Then, by consistently providing the appropriate stimuli, we are potentially better at coaxing a relationship into persisting for lengthier period of time.

The important thing to realize is that a long term relationship is not like a train that can sit idlely on a track and be fine; a relationship is like an airplane that needs constant input in order to stay aloft. TRP recognizes this and also recognizes that sometimes, despite your best efforts, relationships crash. It's just important to learn from your mistakes, figure out how to improve yourself, don't get too hung up on past failures (or hung up on exs), and then don't be afraid to get back in the saddle and do it all again with someone else.

Back to Marriage

On a final note, except for taxes, nearly every legal property right can be covered by some form of contract or estate plan. Marriage is merely an automatic bundle of rights, but you can piecemeal those same rights outside of marriage. Marriage literally is designed at law to provide the bulk of its value after your death. In life, it's almost entirely a liability, a Doom of Damocles. Don't get married.

[–]digital_dreams0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks, that was a great answer.

[–]trp_throwaway_8811 points12 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

I'm also new here, and that's my impression yes. For two reasons:

  1. Nominally lifelong commitment to a woman necessarily lowers your SMV by reducing your options to leave her if she doesn't keep earning your love. Most members of this sub are trying to maximize their SMV so marriage is per se a suboptimal strategy.

  2. Marriage in the US/West generally (I say this last part more loosely) is a titanic death trap legally. Even if you aren't necessarily trying to optimize SMV, marriage is a terrible option for many men, even most alphas.

Don't ask me for answers on how you're supposed to have and raise kids without a marriage (which is the conundrum I face with my desires vs my rational evaluation of the facts). I'm just starting to put these pieces together myself. I'm sure there are more experienced men that might be able to help.

[–]Pill-Gates2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Also new here. As far as point 2 goes I thought this video was fitting.

[–]ElonMuskIsMyDad4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Studied in Spain and my homestay parents weren’t married but lived together and were raising a baby. Everything as if they were married. Homestay dad was chill and homestay mom made amazing dinners

[–]trp_throwaway_888 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yeah but your dad is Elon Musk, how is your experience relatable ?

Lol. Seriously, I think the issue in some parts of the US is that there exists an utterly odious concept called a "common law marriage" where you can theoretically acquire all of the legal liabilities of marriage even if you don't actually sign a contract.

[–]TheEventHorizon07272 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Only Colorado, Iowa, Kansas, Montana, New Hampshire, South Carolina, Texas, and Utah recognize some form of common law marriage; i.e., the recognition of the validity of a marriage lacking a licence and solemnization. Pennsylvania, Indiana, Georgia, Ohio, and Florida used to recognize common law marriage, and explicitly recognize those common law marriages entered into before a certain date. The problem you will run into is if you contract a valid common law marriage in one of the few states that recognize them, then travel into a state that does not recognize them, then that non-recognizing state will still have to recognize the CL marriage under the Full Faith and Credit Clause of the US Constitution. For example, if you contract a valid common law marriage in Kansas, then move to Virginia (which does not recognize common law marriage), then you can still be subjected to a divorce suit in Virginia (with support and property issues adjudicated), because the FFC clause requires Virginia to recognize the valid Kansas marriage.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Get an LLC, have a side business that loses money tax-wise, but actually builds value. You know what half of Nothing Is Right?


Even better is if you have Debt and she doesn't cuz then she gets half of your debt!

Also what if your brother owns 99% of this LLC and you own 1%.

Thank you finance degree.

Common law can suck it.

[–]Dat_Black_Guy2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

hold up big dawg, this isnt the first time i've heard of these concepts. I'ma need you to break it down becuase it was gold when i heard it the first and it sounds like gold now.

[–]ElonMuskIsMyDad3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don’t split yourself minimal equity like in the example. Business with family is still business

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Marriage is the best vehicle for child rearing. You just gotta keep your smv and dread game high, for years. It's life on hardmode. Can be done, but most dudes here are a bit younger and aren't up for that yet.

Also don't get fucked, prepare yourself legally, and keep working on yourself.

Lots of dude marry and give up

[–]inexorable_stratagem10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

"Don't save her, she don't wanna be saved"

[–]DancesWithPugs8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I spent years as Captain Saveaho, the OG White Knight in real life when the internet was a wee baby. Waste of fucking energy.

Once you're a shoulder, you won't ever be the next cock. Unless you are already fucking, then by all means be supportive and loving. But put that romance shit first nowadays and you will be led around like an ox with a ring through its nose. It sucks, but hey, once you figure that out you can move on and stop people pleasing.

[–]Datanami6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Who cares if women aren't going to be faithful forever... I sure don't wanna be either

[–]MrCarepig8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup the only commitment that should be done is to yourself. In a society where whores and whore like behavior is empowered, the majority men are femenine and women are masculine, and all the hedonistic behavior in general. You should keep all that loyalty, dedication, and passion to yourself and your goals only.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

People should stop looking to build a gilded cage. It's a cage regardless of how nice it looks.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

> Stop putting your heart out there, foreal. You don't have anything if you aren't fucking, there's nothing to talk about or waste your time thinking about.

I get the intent ... but don't put your heart into a person and expect something in return is what should be properly advertised

What I would also add is:

Don't fantasize about her at all ... it's not worthwhile because it's wasted time ... either approach and try to fuck or next and move on

[–]GrapeCulture694 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Great mental advice. Also, if you're married/have kids, always stay prepared for divorce/break up too. Keep as many hidden assets as possible, keeo her working and as high of an income as possible (no child support or divorce rape that way), spend tons of time with kids and take pictures for court purposes. Have sife chicks and nannies on speed dial so you can transition like a champ. Never be needy...

[–]Exptx0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you paused at all when you read this, this means you

[–]Icr7111 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link


Thanks for saying it in a thousand words less than I would. I literally was just 5 minutes ago doing what we guys do: looking for the essence, the truth, the source, real understanding.

I was watching the end of braveheart where he’s getting tortured and he envisions his great love (deceased as a major plot component) in the audience to his execution. The director implies what we blue-piller’s think will salve the deepest wants in us—the love/the acceptance, the woman on our constructed-for-her pedestal.

The blue pill shit

Sad, but true: it doesn’t work that way. A construct, an illusion, a sold meme reinforced in a hundred ways by my mom, my duty-bound dad, my all-female teachers, my media—By the meme’s of my life.

Let that sink in. I’ve been steeped in the blue fuzzy-logic. I don’t know what’s real and what’s my projection any more.

Since I/we bought it utterly until our asses were handed to us (to those for whom this is true), what now?

This post.

Use different standards that seem totally alien to what you used before:

Her actions not her words What are you doing for yourself, not her Who’s in charge of you, you or her What is your role in your own life How does this benefit me Are my needs being met, really. What is it I want that has nothing to do with “she” Who am I with or without “she”

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Classic anger post. BP Beta Chump lets every woman walk all over him and now he sees all women as cheating whores.

[–]GritsWithGranny0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

All women are cheating whores though. Society raises them to be whores. To be taken care of.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Found the other angry Beta

[–]GritsWithGranny4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Quit lying to yourself. It isn’t healthy.

[–]ex_addict_bro9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Preach brother, glad to see you here, please keep posting quality stuff, have an upvote.

Any value in the post you tried posting year ago but got deleted by automod?

[–]gixxerthouguy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wish I had read this 20 years ago with wife #1. Or 10 years ago with wife #2.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

In other words, lower your expectations and read this book The Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck.

[–]mejakejohnson3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We live in a society that conforms polygamy so how long are you gonna focus on just sex when you disregard loyalty and long term relationships? You're eventually gonna run out of options, mate

[–]zzzleonzzz1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

stocism, dont worry about the things out of your control, and you'll be much happier for it

[–]micr0penis2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

God damn dude. It sounds like YOU make a lot of poor decisions.

So because you're choosing to "save strippers" (WTF does that even mean?) or date suicidal chicks, and shocker, didn't work out - ergo AWALT?

To be fair, I think AWALT is a crude generalized construct thought up and perpetuated by guys like you.

"Woa is me. I only date unstable girls, why are all girls unstable???"

[–]187oddfuture0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

We all made bad decisions. That's why we're here.

[–]micr0penis0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Eh. I didn't come here because I was helpless. TRP didnt make me who I am. Read my post history, you can believe it or not.

If you mean in general, then sure. Ive said as much in my posts.

[–]Demiurge_Decline0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think there is much more to manhood that the use of our attached tool. I say, men can provide way more substance than throwing their urine snake around like oreganization, focus, rationality, and goals for the relationship. The society is built on the minds and backs of men. If you strip yourself down to the provider of cock, then you also strip yourself of what really makes you a man. The flip side is, women can then assume that their main role is to have a child. They don't need anymore excuses to non contribute to society or the family. See how that works? I get the part of not worrying about the fantasy and letting her do that. Thats gold. But the just fuck her attitude is a mantra better suited for men afraid of approach or stuck in orbit.

[–]187oddfuture2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women don't need to assume that their main role is to have children. It's their only role. That's all they're here for. Men built society to protect their women and get easier access to their pussies. That's all this is. Once you give women agency they lose interest in breeding and then your society ultimately crumbles as you are bred out by an out group or are too weak to defend yourself from opportunistic foreign invaders.

[–]TheMrk7900 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dude you need to calm down. Selfishness is a weak mans excuse, so he doesn't have to care. I like the basic idea of TRP, but there is a whole lot of weaels here, that just want to flee from any male responsibility and pad themselfes on the backs, when they fuck a woman. Its not like that's hard. But you should not advise people, to focus on fucking women, instead of marriage and children. This sub is turning into a hole for pretty bitter/pathetic men.

[–]RpwomN0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Strippers, pornstars and high school kids aren't all women. I think you're cutting it close to being incel man.

Stop caring about saving all of these women. They don't want to be saved.

[–]Throwaway_52520 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've been in this mindset for the last few years. I went from the guy who got all emotionally stomped over when his heart got broken, a guy yearning for romance, connection, commitment, trust and loyalty, to a guy who basically sees women as sexual commodities. I've been having transactional sex (sex that I enjoy) for so long that it's hardened me up emotionally and it's made me cold. In fact, I had a women come onto me emotionally and it actually kinda made me uncomfortable. While I was attracted to her, I've been doing transactional meaningless sex for so long when emotions were introduced it was as if I couldn't process it.

I have one girl who drifts in and out of my life who means more to then the rest. I think about her once a week but I have to keep reminding myself to not start developing blue-pilled feelings for her as this is real life and in real life there are no happily ever afters.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You guys spending your time writing such things have to realize that your emotional posts are not helpful to anyone at best and straight out harmful at worst.

But I guess there are a lot of "alpha males" out there who love to associate themselves with such pitiful stories.

[–]DaftOdyssey0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If only there was a way I can deal with my performance anxiety. I don't really know what I'm doing wrong

[–]TheYeti010 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women are irrational, enough said lol.

[–]Prophets_Prey-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Wholeheartedly agree with this.

[–]moogle_googler0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nailed it. That is the game I have always used, when interested, they will come. Be aware of female advances and act accordingly. PUA stuff was never my thing and I have always had access to poon. Too much work for little reward. Lead yourself and she will follow. Also have to say, experience has shown me when I put in extra work to get her, it is never worth it.

[–]Pancakes1-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

One of the better posts on this sub

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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