Surprisingly good conversation about why we exist on askmen.

mrust · 2013-07-05T17:14:25+00:00

I don't think it's a conversation at all. The only thing that thread proves is that TRP is completely misunderstood by most people outside of it. I think part of it is the insider vocabulary we've developed (as all communities do) which makes very little sense outside the PUA/MRA context. When I say misunderstood, I don't mean that they cannot understand our motivations or why we exist. I mean they cannot accurately describe what we believe, which I think is a prerequisite for any kind of debate.

What's most revealing are some of the comments that people make in their outcry for why TRP is horrible, but actually serve as examples for why it is correct.

I'll ignore the posters who ascribe completely incorrect views to TRP (setting up pointless troll strawmen).

A few more interesting examples:

A woman commenting about mature women being more discriminating completely ignores TRP's explanation for the dynamic she observes (The Wall, beta provider):

Anyone with life experience past 35, will admit that the football player is attractive, but will acknowledge the editor is now more appealing. This was admittedly not always the case. Like the men in TheRedPill are, women were young once too. Tastes, needs, and desires change with age. The men in TheRedPill will discover this one day.

A man commenting about TRP (actually probably the most red pill comment I saw on there):

I think I'm just to old for that crap. I'm in my 30s now and these kids are describing some bizarro world. I'm single, I never want to get married, and I honestly don't give a shit about sex that much. These guys need hobbies or something.

And the full text of my favourite post: (NAWALT!!!!):

What's your take on it?

Some people just don't want to go outside and live.

What do you think is the reason of this movement's existence?

There's no one reason why it exists, but the central theme is that women are basically terrible, crappy things (in a manner of speaking).

Do you think people who subscribe to this line of thinking are just stupid/assholes?

More or less, but some men were probably hurt by those women who they deeply trusted and loved, and this is their (sour and unproductive) outlet for dealing with it. There are some men with legitimate cause to be angry at women, but there's better ways of resolving that anger than buying into a sub-culture of generalizations. Of course, they won't find those ways due to the poor state of mental health and couseling (at least in the U.S.) and the extreme aversion of men seeking help for their health (likely more universal).

Do you think there is a deeper reason as to why some men turn to this?

I've somewhat covered that, but let me expand:

Some people aren't comfortabe living life on a case by case basis and need generalities. Some people feel the need to see and validate patterns where patterns may not exist. This applies to Red Pill, MRA, Radfems (and other feminists), Christians, and other belief groups.

The Red Pill is convinced all women act a certain way because of nature (or something), which is impposible of course. I'd say some Red Pill "theories" apply to some women, but not all or even most. The same is true of the other belief systems I stated earlier.

Limpador · 2013-07-05T17:33:53+00:00

I disagree about it being "spot on" in regards to what women really want. Some woman may want that, but I'm sure most women would agree that a relationship isn't about control, it's about teamwork.

My whole life I've been hearing bullshit like that. It never worked, it never will. I've ruined countless relationships because I followed this advice. Not anymore!

Women don't know what they want and white knights keep repeating the misinformation. I'm so fucking tired to discuss this topic in RL. If I don't kiss women's ass and praise their unrivaled worthiness I'm labeled a misogynist.

lIllIllIes · 2013-07-05T20:10:13+00:00

I am subscribed to AskMen and found TRP because of that post. So bravo!

I don't consider myself to be an asshole, because I understand that there are exceptions when making generalizations. However, after reading through the introduction docs I quickly subscribed to TRP. I'm excited to see what kinds of advice I can incorporate into my social behavior.

p3ndulum · 2013-07-05T16:19:15+00:00

If you want to know why TRP exists, ...why not ask /r/theredpill?

Fukitol13 · 2013-07-05T18:48:30+00:00

Honest question:Am I the only one who prefers that TheRedPill be a smaller quality subreddit than attract too much attention and devolve into tumblr for men? of course its more likely that we get noticed by feminazis seeking a new target after seddit and TofuTofu.

Thoughts?

gotsickfromweed · 2013-07-05T19:19:26+00:00

Ive always liked /r/askmen they are actually pretty spot on a lot of the time (at least compared to the rest of reddit), /r/askwomen makes me vomit though

AlwaysLateToThreads · 2013-07-05T16:09:40+00:00

More free publicity.

redpillschool · 2013-07-05T15:49:57+00:00

This guy specifically :

"Nice" will get you in trouble with women if you're coming from 'submissive' or 'low-value'. Low-value means that you're intentions can or must be questioned because you 'must' or you're doing it for 'gain'. This is especially true for men because 'real men' are assumed to have advantages. Feminism reinforces this constantly in the minds of women. So women feel men with less money or are more submissive are less valuable partners because their motives are unclear, naturally. Feminism has a weird way of actually promoting 'patriarchal' attitudes in women. Continued...

Remember folks, don't vote, just observe. If you're an /askmen subscriber you can contribute, but don't vote.

thecajunone · 2013-07-05T18:25:02+00:00

Is it just me or are women standing up for us more and more lately?

Also bothers me that the top comment doesn't even come close to describing what we are about.

wynningston · 2013-07-05T18:39:27+00:00

i have been here for months and don't know all the jargon.

gotsickfromweed · 2013-07-05T19:28:31+00:00

http://www.np.reddit.com/r/AskMen/comments/1hod5w/why_does_the_red_pill_exists/cawjwig

Lol

Mooshaq · 2013-07-05T18:18:00+00:00

Right on cue:

[–]lisacakes 10 points 2 hours ago Yes, but not ALL feminists are alike. There are the moderates and the extremists, but the moderates are treated like extremists.

The top comment has some RP truth to it (at least compared to the beta commenters), but they are unfortunately still quite far from being enlightened.

Title	Surprisingly good conversation about why we exist on askmen.
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Date	July 5, 2013 3:49 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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