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The Benefits of Hypergamy

January 13, 2019

I was recently watching Blue Planet (great documentary) and it really put Hypergamy into perspective.

Nature is fucking brutal

Every species is locked in a constant struggle for survival. Kill or be killed, eat or be eaten. This is the environment we evolved in. Ice ages, volcanoes, predators, disease, drought. As a species, man has gone through the ringer. We clawed our way to the top of the food chain and bent Nature to our purpose through sheer intellect and power of will.

One of the biggest factors that has allowed mankind to survive and even thrive in such a horrific environment is Hypergamy. Hypergamy is a feature of our species, not a flaw.

Imagine that you had been able to control the development of our species throughout natural history. But the only thing you get to control is which males the females want to fuck. If you were competent, you would design female preferences that would match up closely with Hypergamy. You would select for the biggest, tallest, strongest, healthiest, most masculine males. This is like a football game where the stakes are literally life and death and extinction. You would select for the most dominant alpha males to play for Team Human. You wouldn't care about the guy who was just the greatest friend a girl could have, who was caring and attentive and frightened of his own shadow. You would skip his weakling ass and take Chad, the 6' leader who doesn't piss himself when its time to kill a sabertooth tiger.

Part of the confusion that we rational-minded men have about women's sexual preferences is the way they seem to choose mates that are bad for them. Can't she see what a jerk he is? Can't she see that he is a selfish turd who will make her life miserable? When you zoom out, female preferences make a lot more sense. It isn't about what will make her happy. It is about which genes will give her offspring (and by extension the human species) the best chance of survival.

The unfortunate truth about hypergamy (and natural selection in general) is that most males don't make the cut. When you are a nice guy who is just waking up to the Red Pill and staring down the barrel of female sexual selection, it is easy to get mad at women and hypergamy. It is easy to be resentful and wish that things were different than how they are. Why can't she love me for who I am on the inside? Why can't she see how happy I would make her if she gave me a chance? Why can't she overlook my physical shortcomings/ lack of resources and see what a great guy I am? Being rejected by a female is extremely uncomfortable- Nature has judged you and found you inadequate for reproduction ... that is the core of sexual rejection. Your seed is weak and nature does not want it to reproduce. What a painful truth to confront. No wonder so many of us get angry or depressed. No wonder so many men go MGTOW- they already know that they will lose this game, so they prefer not to play and pretend like its their choice to opt out of reproduction.

However, you can outgrow the anger and depression. You can start to see hypergamy for what it is and rise to the challenge.

All the things that hypergamy selects for are good for your development as a man. Lift heavy weights to make yourself stronger. Read books to make yourself smarter. Create a strong frame and be more dominant. Stop avoiding conflict and stand up for yourself. Take charge of your life and take the lead. Build a network of men you respect. Climb the social hierarchy. Kill it in your career and make lots of money. Take women off of the pedestal and stop taking them so goddamn seriously. Act like you've got some fucking balls. All the things that help you get pussy are the things that make you a better man. And I mean "better" in the practical sense, not the modern abstract "better" where you think you're a great man because you've never cheated on a test or been in a fistfight.

TLDR- Hypergamy has helped our species to survive through a long evolution in a brutal environment. Embrace it

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Title The Benefits of Hypergamy
Author chazthundergut
Upvotes 203
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Date January 13, 2019 6:58 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillcad59 points60 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

Hypergamy shouldnt be seen as good or bad or beneficial or destructive.

It just is. Deal with it. It's the terrain.

Plan battles based on actual terrain and weather and opponents

Not some fairy tale

Lesser men than you and I have the physique, money, and bitches that most of us here want.

Get it by being in the real

[–]3chazthundergut[S] 11 points12 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Well, I view hypergamy as good for the survival of our species the way men's horniness and willingness to fuck anything was good for the survival of our species

I dont mean good in moralistic terms.

But you are absolutely right- it simply is the terrain

[–]dropit_reborn6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

good for the survival of our species

Sure, in the same way that it's good that sugar tastes good.

Hypergamy is as smart as evolution is, which is to say: fucking smart, and fucking retarded.

In society's current state it is a major disadvantage. For a society that understood it and planned around it, both by building up men and governing women, it would be a good thing.

[–]3chazthundergut[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

"In society's current state it is a major disadvantage"

Disadvantage for who?

[–]dropit_reborn3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Everybody. Men, women, children. I could list reasons, but you read the sub, you get it.

Please note: I'm not saying hypergamy is bad. I'm saying it causes a lot of problems when it and society are not correctly aligned.

"Hypergamy makes women attracted to superior men." ---all well and good. But what "superior" means will differ based on the situation. What works on the savannah doesn't work in the city. What works among thieves doesn't work in a society. And vice versa.

If you read Jim, one of his major complaints is that the way we do things increases the status of men who act the way we don't like, and hurts the status of men who act how we would like. This will not end well.

[–]p3n1x0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This will not end well.

Pessimism is never rewarded. You are whining hard. Fixing complex issues takes HARD WORK, not complaining about current affairs.

hurts the status of men who act how we would like.

How exactly are you affected? I have only experienced extremely positive returns by employing TRP philosophy, in overall life, not just women.

[–]p3n1x0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I dont mean good in moralistic terms.

Acceptance, this holds true for any savage truth. Change the verbiage from "good" to "necessity".

[–]5Imperator_Red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

as good for the survival of our species

Natural selection does not promote the survival "of the species." It promotes the survival of the individual, or rather the genes carried by that individual.

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[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillcad6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The socially accepted aspect is new. It's something you can spend your time fighting against but while you have the community blessing to follow your dreams you don't have our support.

We aren't trying to change the world. We offer tips for a single man to make changes to his world

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

As if eugenics are bad.

[–]BewareTheOldMan1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men are still shamed into marriage with undesirable women.

DO NOT be shamed into this type of situation and DO NOT marry or produce children with undesirable women. The reason or reasons for their undesirability is NOT important. Women have to compete and overcame male hypergamy as well.

Let's not do this thing where men acquiesce to female hypergamy. Two can play the Hypergamy Game.

"Nature has judged you and found you inadequate for reproduction."

Equality is a good thing for this particular aspect of mating. Embrace it.

[–]FormerBlueFool0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It just is. Really resonated with me.

Hypergamy doesn't care if you embrace it or not.

[–]civilizedfrog30 points31 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I do not mind hypergamy. My problem is when the Government gets involved in relationship.

[–]Dash_of_islam113 points114 points  (33 children) | Copy Link

Well to be fair. Hypergamy is only ok if most men are lazy shits and we can overtake them.

Imagine if Red Pill spreads too much and everyone starts trying to work hard. Then biological differences would magnify.

  • high IQ would over take in degrees
  • tallest would be overshadowing the short
  • those who build muscle fastest and juice become the most buff
  • those who have brains more adept at charisma would out smooth talk the competition
  • those with Rich ass parents could leverage circles the rest don't even know exist to get opportunities in monopolies

So let's not pretend like hypergamy just means you gotta get off your ass. It is doable for us, but only because most men are pathetic. It wants the best and if everyone tried, WE WOULD LOSE. Let's be honest. We are all on Red Pill since we are not naturally alphas and dominant. We had to be taught something others don't need and if they worked their ass off, they would win.

There is only so much space at the top before the bar moves up, it's not statistically possible for everyone to be the best lol.

But it's good motivation nevertheless to improve your lot in life

[–]1warlordchad46 points47 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Dude, I wouldn’t worry—most men are too lazy and will never care to work hard enough to be red pill. But even if they did, in many ways it would be a better, more productive, more orderly society.

Part of the reason women get away with being overly picky, squirrelly, and ridiculous in their sex lives is that there are so many pathetic blue pill goons out there, they can have their pick. In the the end they won’t be happy with said dude, but in the moment they don’t care—it’s a dick and a warm body to sleep next to.

If more guys actually didn’t put up with that shit and bed down and LTR the first THOT that comes their way, girls couldn’t just automatically rely on a huge pool of men to save them from their carousel riding days. Right now a huge problem for men is that women today are bathing in so much male attention and validation, the implication is that they can take men for granted, lowering our value.

Obviously TRP helps to counter this, as we offer women what they truly want and desire—an alpha man who’s physically and mentally dominant. The problem is that society tells them that what they really should want is a beta male they can marry and have kids with. This is key: women evolved to be hypergamous—yes—but they also evolved to CONFORM TO THE SOCIAL DYNAMICS OF THE TRIBE.

Girls want to fit in—this is why they all rush out to buy the latest fashions, post trite pictures on Instagram (holidays are the worst), and why so many beautiful girls are with absolute losers. Because society only truly accepts girls who are in LTRs or are married to Billy Beta, who she’s currently whipping into a pool of mush.

The fact so many men out there are willing to offer them that is actually bad for us, IMO.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillcad18 points19 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

most men are too lazy and will never care to work hard enough to be red pill.

Yes but not just lazy. They are ego invested in the blue pill so even if they wanted success and had the horsepower to achieve it....they cant. They wont see TRP as the solution to protect themselves from the pain of time wasted.

Smart men burn the past to the ground and look forward

[–]Howdoiusesync1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

To piggie back on this idea it's true.

[–]redpill771 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yes, but what if the truth were known. Would we find ourselves just going through a cycle of increased competition to segregate again into winners and self-deceivers? If men knew their only chance at being a proper person was to fight and win, there would be a lot more fighting, at least for a while.

It honestly feels like the enjoy-the-decline sentiment actually is not cynical at all, we are lucky that men are weakened. Some of us are only able to make it into the top 20% or men because of the edge the rep pill gives us. Obviously it is bad for society as a whole, but maybe society isn't something that can ever be stable.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillcad3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

There is no decline. This is the way it has always been. Men are disposable and women are perishable.

Its clown world to pretend differently

[–]BorrowedSunshine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

“Men are disposable and women are perishable”

oof that quote hits hard

[–]lobstergenocide1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

In a weird way, enjoying the decline is actually kind of hopeful, or at least empowering. Most of us wouldn't be here in the first place if we were the natural top 20% alpha males that move and shape society, but the laziness and stupidity of the bluepilled masses actually makes it possible for us to rise to the top through sheer power of will. So I guess it's not so much enjoying the decline as harnessing and using it for our own purposes.

[–]Dash_of_islam6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I agree. I was just playing devil's advocate that IF everyone really took it seriously (which won't happen, hell 70% of the population can't even stay in a healthy weight let alone get swole) most of us would be fucked and would have to stick to prostitutes or get sloppy seconds

[–]redpill770 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes! Girls think they need to be independent because that's what society wants. It seems like Anti-Dependence-Defense comes into play almost more than Anti-Slut-Defense.

In my city fuck buddies are more normal than relationships, women talk more openly about their sex lives than men.

[–]Nicolas06318 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Edit: this isn't at all how it happen in reality. Most men do reproduce and have offpsring.

Maybe true, among TRP practionners there are guys that never manage to convince a women to go with them and a few other that don't want to loose their time with them. These will not reproduce.

But even a divorsed beta that took the TRP and made some child before will transmit his DNA.

[–]lord-denning6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Incorrect, genetic evidence indicates that there are far more mothers than fathers in our genetic history. People were not pairing up, in our genetic stream there are less men that were connecting with women, and in some points in our history far less men. Obviously I’m laying this out in general terms but the scientific evidence is there and makes the masses quite uncomfortable.

[–]Nicolas06310 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I speak of today and recent history. This is quite different than things thousand of years ago.

[–]Dash_of_islam1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right but with the looking automation revolution where 47% job are automated. That's a lot of men who are fucked.

Women will always have value because of their clam. Now the super rich can have harems and the women would love it since they would have a decent quality of life vs starving with unemployed guys

[–]3chazthundergut[S] 9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

But it has always been like this. The top 20% get to reproduce. Hypergamy keeps pushing the bar up, and we men keep rising to the challenge. Well, the best of us do- the rest give up because it is too hard.

This is what took our species from scavenging the grasslands to walking on the moon.

Females keep scooping the top layer, the cream of the crop, and reproducing with them. And yes, by design most men are not included. What will you do about it?

[–]Dash_of_islam2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

True. Even most of TRP probably doesn't lift (most basic and one of first commandments).

I was just pointing out that if everyone starting working balls to the wall, we wouldn't even stand a chance

[–]lala_xyyz6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

But it has always been like this. The top 20% get to reproduce.

It hasn't been like that for hundreds of generations, when the population has been 99.9% smaller than today. We are no longer in the cavemen society. Monogamous marriage has been "invented" by all countries around the globe for a simple reason - it's the optimal group survival strategy. Societies built on harems and with a surplus of young horny men without children implode very quickly.

[–]MrCongeniality13 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

We had to be taught something others don't need and if they worked their ass off, they would win.

Intelligence, motivation, and resilience are all evolutionary traits that are more important than height and brawn.

[–]Dash_of_islam2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link


Adopting a different world view that is painful at first is an important skill.

Most people's egos would drive them to push it under the rug and not face the cognitive dissonance but it takes a strong man to be willing to admit he was wrong and adapt to his new understanding.

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Even if all men start applying RP rules to themselves and become top alphas, hypergamy will still select the best, so it doesn't matter if the competition is between 2 soyboys or 2 powerlifters, in each pair only one can be the best (more attractive subjectively to her).

Whether the notion of hypergamy motivates you to become more attractive or not, you're only changing the quality whom you're competing with, not decreasing the amount of competition.

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Excuses. Hypergamous selection is an instinct, a female core prime directive, it is not an ideology or a social constuct. As with any core instinct, it compells us to take action in a specific direction, a prime direction designed to benefit not only us but the wellfair of our species. These instinctive compulsions drive us subconsciously, we are not meant to be aware of the compulsion itself, only the direction in which it compells.

For example, you have a girlfriend, another guy flirts with her openly infront of you, what would you do? Your prime directive would compell you to take physical action and display your dominance to both the the girlfriend and the rival male. If you choose to ignore the compulsion to obey your prime directive you will find tremeandous difficulty in doing so, you dont know what compells you to feel this way, only that it is what you are supposed to do.

In this day and age there is a fraction of a percentage of the population that is truly self aware of instinctive core prime directives and its purpose, and that fraction of a percentage is far more of a percentage than the human race has ever had before. Yet it is still a minute fraction. Why such a large ignorance to awareness ratio when it is so much more beneficial to be aware? Because our ego prevents us from accepting a reality where we are not the star of the show, to be aware is to come to terms with our own insignificance and inadequacies. Most people violently reject and lash out at such truths, and will choose suicide and delusion over such knowledge. Why? It is once again core instinct at work. The ego will not allow awareness without the kind of pain and anguish few people can overcome psychologically.

This is why people obey their instinctive compulsions without really being aware of them. Instinctive prime directives are meant to compell COVERTLY and never to be deciphered. Hypergamy is no exception.

These are simply my observations, never the less in so saying, I infer that the possibility of a large portion of the human population becoming truly self aware of instinctive prime core directives such as female hypergamous selection is highly unlikely. Most of the population will succumb to their own instinctive compulsion to preserve their own ego or go insane before they accept reality. Believe it or not we are a large portion of all the truly self aware people there is and it is unlikely to grow unless the human race suddenly becomes a lot more robotic.

[–]Dash_of_islam0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link


I was postulating that IF!!!! the Red Pill began to spread like feminism did in the 20th century, and every man starts focusing on self improvement, and learning game, and becoming outcome independent etc...

Then our biological differences between each man would be the only difference, and THEN it would be nearly impossible to rise above others.

Luckily it is not, it was a thought experiment since most of us were either AFC or betas before we got the Pill

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes, i see. It is definitely plausible that a red pill fad could spread and snowball into popular belief, im not sure how but i could think of a few reasons such as a global catastrophe or even war. However, historically the human psychological attraction to fads, trends and ideology is heavily based if feel good and self gratifying emotion and not in difficult truths. Usually if its not instantly gratifying its rejected fiercely. Though a social experiment in this regard would be quite entertaining

[–]Dash_of_islam1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah it'll never happen.

It is just a reminder that we have an opportunity to reach our potential and among a bunch of lazy turds we would be twice the failures for receiving the message and not capitalizing on it.

Billy betas have the excuse that no one ever taught em the truth, but we can only blame our laziness after we start to get some results and becoming complacent

[–]redpill771 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

When talking about hypergamy's effect on society, we should remember that the only reason our competition/other men is weak is because they live a pathetic hateful existence. If we really had the healthy society, with everyone loving themselves, it would mean all men feel valued, and that probably means they get sex. If we laid it all out, would we agree that all men deserve love, if it means all men deserve sex; hypergamy would not fit and would have to be heavily controlled. Perhaps this is a possibility. Perhaps even desirable. We should ask ourselves at that point if we want to go against nature, here.

[–]Dash_of_islam0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Oh come on.

You would rather be on a deserted island with 50/50 men to women.

Or 90% women and 10% men and the men were all useful. Like you wouldn't want a harem if there were no downsides.

Look up the Sultans of Turkey, poor Europeans would send their daughters to be concubines since they lived in a Palace and in exchange had to help with upkeep and give the king children. Contrary to popular belief, a lot of women went there voluntarily and even by modern standards had a pretty good life. And with all the concubines, I don't the king had to force any individual woman if she was not in the mood. Plus imagine the Hypergamy, they were throwing themselves at him

[–]redpill771 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yea, but my point was resting on the assumption that a perfect society has everyone happy. Perhaps the only possible perfect society has a drastic minority of men to women, like 1:10. Or I think all male would work too, until death.

[–]Dash_of_islam0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh I see. Yes, we are in agreement

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[–]Dash_of_islam0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

So we know there is a bigger variability in men's intelligence for example than women, even if they get half the genes from Mom (usually average IQ). Why wouldn't the contribution of high IQ from men slowly increase the average intelligence over generations??

Since you keep selecting for the best for the men's side and all the women are average. If you keep taking the best and random mutations make the men EVEN smarter over 10s of 1000s of years.

Why wouldn't it keep making us better until the brain becomes too big for the head for example???

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[–]Dash_of_islam0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for the information

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

All the things that hypergamy selects for are good for your development as a man. Lift heavy weights to make yourself stronger. Read books to make yourself smarter. Create a strong frame and be more dominant. Stop avoiding conflict and stand up for yourself. Take charge of your life and take the lead. Build a network of men you respect. Climb the social hierarchy. Kill it in your career and make lots of money. Take women off of the pedestal and stop taking them so goddamn seriously. Act like you've got some fucking balls. All the things that help you get pussy are the things that make you a better man. And I mean "better" in the practical sense, not the modern abstract "better" where you think you're a great man because you've never cheated on a test or been in a fistfight.

The confusing part, as this relates to hypergamy, is that none of this actually changes your genes. Your genes are what they are. Obviously it's effective as a strategy, but maybe the part of your genes that's being expressed is your ability to bring yourself to adapt to what is demanded by the circumstances.

Otherwise, the same genes would be just as desirable regardless of whether someone with good genes put in all the work or none of it.

[–]Nicolas06318 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The only thing hypergamy prevent today is beta to be happy with their wife.

But don't be fooled. 90% of male population is beta and most reproduce. If beta wasn't suitable for our specy, then it would have been long gone.

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If beta wasn't suitable for our specy, then it would have been long gone.

Everyone can't be a leader. There have to be people to be led.

[–]Dash_of_islam4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well girls care about looks, money, and status.

In our solipsism we think only looks Matter. But girls needed and aloha who could provide. If you are the tribe leader but not the strongest, you can provide food for the kid who will forward up healthy and pass on the genes vs a strong loner who no one likes who gets ganged up on.

Plus a skinny girl is always hotter than a fat girl even if they are identical twins. Smelling good has nothing to do with genes but it attracts the womenzzzzz

[–]Satou43 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Epigenetics may play a role here. This is the part of the DNA that is activated by a chemical tag which tells the body what it should express. It can be changed through diet, exercise, environmental pollution, and social experiences.

Your parents' childhood and adult experiences before having you actually influence your epigenome. For example, in one study, rats neglected their young, which created higher stress. The epigenetic markers that help regulate stress were turned off in the young through this experience, making it harder for them to deal with stress. The next generation may also inherit the worse stress response, because at some point those epigenetic marks will have to be removed or rewritten in order to develop a better stress response.

Essentially, if you're fucking up your own life, you are probably fucking with your epigenome in various ways that will make it harder for you to find success. Failure breeds failure. If you then have kids, they will start their lives with epigenetic disadvantages.

In the same way, you can choose to improve your epigenome through diet, exercise, meditation, and healthy social behaviors (and perhaps also hobbies and hard skills). If you can win at all of these separate games, you will eventually have a better epigenome, and your kids will benefit from the work you put into your own life.

[–]3chazthundergut[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hypergamy knows that behavior is at least in some way encoded in our genes.

Think of something like dominance. That is a behavioral cue, and one of hypergamy's favorite traits to select for. Don't you think there are genetic markers associated with dominance?

Perhaps self-improvement is similar. What if the drive to improve oneself and win the game of life is effected by genes? That is a very reasonable assumption to make.

That all being said, there is no doubt that Hypergamy selects for epigenetic as well as genetic factors. Hypergamy is nothing if not practical. If a male with weak genes manages to amass a great deal of resources (even if simply by luck) Hypergamy will still select him for reproduction.

In the game of reproduction, it pays to be a winner

[–]1scissor_me_timbers000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You’re misreading. The work ethic and drive is an expression of the genes themselves.

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[–]BewareTheOldMan1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

men are still held to social conventions of "restraint" enforced by laws, the mass media/entertainment and Big Daddy State. In modern terms, women are using hypergamy like a bunch of greedy assholes.

Implement countermeasures to avoid and circumvent the state...DON'T let these greedy assholes win.

[–]omega_dawg930 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

you spent a lot of time voicing opinions about whisper. idk what your anger is with that, but in my world, i don't get mad at men who TAKE what is being FREELY GIVEN to him.

hypergamy is checked when you leave her (and whisper) and kids that may or may not be yours and move on. she wanted more than you, taller than you, bigger cock than yours? why are you fighting to kill someone when she will likely do it again? you may end up fighting a LOT if you don't fix the root of the problem.

that bro code shit (with killing another man bc your girl GAVE him some pussy) is old & tired. let that bitch live with her decisions. YOU LEAVE HER! just leave. if whisper didn't rape, she held her own thighs up for him to have her.

the something that's wrong is the broad. it's very wrong... perhaps. but it's not un-natural for a woman to be hypergamous; it's very natural. that's who the fuck they are.

killing whisper won't fix or debug the firmware she's born with and can't avoid. violence against men doesn't make women act right. leaving her in the mess she created is how you curve her desire to do it again.

[–]Mangasbzo70 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is an epic post. Fuck.

[–]balderdash3519 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This is true on an individual level, but on a civilizational level hypergamy is destructive. Our civilizations are built on the back of a monogamous culture, which implicitly guarantees a mate for every hard working man. Once men wake up to the fact that this is no longer the case, they will let the system fall, which we can already see the beginnings of. Perhaps that is for the best in the long term, but IDK.

[–]StrongAttitude5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Betas build civilisation by proving themselves to gain respect.

[–]1scissor_me_timbers001 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right. And the status hierarchy is determined by more than just genetic physicality. Since the patriarchy can determine the value system somewhat, and fathers choose or at least vet the mate choices of their daughters, you can essentially corral the behavioral norms of young men who want pussy into more civilized norms.

I noticed this from having be raised in (and then leaving) Mormonism. They not only have a patriarchal system, but a formalized one with specific gender roles and rules and the gold backing of God’s sanctioning (ultimate alpha authority in the minds of followers).

This leads to some absolute mormon women virgin smokeshows settling down and being happy with the most white bread family dudes. Why? Because they play the “correct” mormon social role, and therefore have the stamp of approval from the patriarchal authorities, acting in representation of God himself.

Consequently, betas “proving themselves” in such a social world leads to pro social behavior among betas which will get them laid, and enhances group fitness. Rather than Machiavellian or ruthless traits, which is necessary in a state of nature, or other social worlds.

It’s really interesting how a status-bestowing mechanism like a formal patriarchy can partially rewire the value system of the tribe leading to potentially better group outcomes.

[–]bakamoney7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Its funny half the time this sub goes back to le tribal society example.

a) America is like 300y lmao

b) For like most of the history women rarely ever had any fucking choice who they fucked.

c) Population only exploded recently which means most communities were pretty fucking small. And take modern communication forms away; they probably knew like 10 legit guys their age to choose from. ( Again they rarely ever had the fucking choice to choose - think unicorn levels )

d) Hypergamy is a self defense tool for women. So if they loose option a they ride option b's dick. Thats it. Dont bring humanity's survival into it. Its a plain tactic they evolved for their own survival.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

ts funny half the time this sub goes back to le tribal society example.

I do think it's a useful mindset to put yourself into. Understanding what life was like when the necessities of reality were imprinted in stone into our genetic code. Your points about how modern day life are so vastly different from 99% of our species existence is what makes this more important. The perspective of our ancestors is helpful in motivating you today.

Evolutionary psychology is a real field of study

[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"le tribal society" is our genetic wiring, it can be overridden with cultural influence but it does not mean it is not present.

Society either allows it to express itself or waters it down via social penalty.

Hypergamy for instance has been watered down for the last few centuries. As a women it was more dangerous for your survival to engage in it than if you didn't.

You'd be ostracized from society, your tribe, frowned upon by family and friends, possibly cut off and left to fend for yourself, which as a women in pre modern times was not exactly the easiest thing to do.

In modern society the penalties for engaging are no longer there, so our inherent nature is able to express itself more often.

[–]BobbyPeru2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

The unfortunate truth about hypergamy (and natural selection in general) is that most males don't make the cut.

Thus, beta bux, alpha fux is born.

The betas can still get the girl as she hits the wall, but she’ll never fuck him as passionately and frequently as Chad. Beta Bob won’t know the difference because he’s never had a woman passionately fuck him... matter of fact, he doesn’t know how to fuck properly, and she’s surely not going to tell him... so, one night on a girls night out, she’s ovulating, bumps into Chad, and accidentally falls on his cock. The next day everyone pretends they are good and happy, but Beta Bob is left with a continual feeling that things are just not quite right... but, he can’t put his finger on it. 9 months later, Chad Jr. is born, and the human race forges on... the survival of the fittest.

[–]Nicolas06311 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

We don't care if there passion. Most beta do reproduce be it of being kind or whatever. Even if they get divorse raped etc, as long as they did impregnate her, they will transmit their DNA.

Only beta so uncessful to only get a post wall single mother that doesn't accept another childs will see their genes disapear.

The alpha will transmit his gene today ONLY if he can commit and accept to be with a woman long enough to make a child.

[–]Dash_of_islam2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Look at Denmark where some men are being recycled and some men NEVER have kids even though they want them.

Most societies were heavily influenced by religion but as we unrsvel them, there is still a lot of social inertia which sets our social norms.

It is slowly disappearing and we don't really know what will happen but the Scandinavian countries are showing it will get worse for those on the bottom and mit may just be the start.

We may not go back to 1 man for 17 women, but it happened less than 10000 years ago and with automation in the future we could get 1 man for 5 women

[–]lala_xyyz5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

We may not go back to 1 man for 17 women, but it happened less than 10000 years ago and with automation in the future we could get 1 man for 5 women

Men will never allow that. Even if they do, the sons of those that did reproduce won't. Open hypergamy is a ticking time bomb that will result in women getting stripped of all reproductive rights, this time for good.

[–]Dash_of_islam0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I dunno dog. With the soyboys and porn and VR and video games and weed and possibly discounted prostitution and over prescribed ADHD meds they could contain men.

Low testosterone pussies don't revolt.

Look at Japan almost half of adults 25-35 are VIRGINS!!!!!!!!!!!

[–]1scissor_me_timbers001 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah but such a situation won’t persist forever. It will create hard times which will force a reckoning and re introduction of social code.

[–]Dash_of_islam0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

True, the will get outbred by some other society

[–]Satou40 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You could just abort most of the sons to keep the female to male ratio strong. The opposite of what China did.

[–]lala_xyyz2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

TLDR- Hypergamy has helped our species to survive through a long evolution in a brutal environment. Embrace it

It is also obsolete - note how most "quality" women don't reproduce anymore. Our species' evolution hasn't been about survival for thousands of years now. The sexual selection algos are obsolete, and both Chads and hoes have been bred out of gene pool ever since civilization was created. Western hoes are but a blink in the species timeline. Evolutionary imperative is to reproduce, not to kill, and accordingly only stupid women with strong maternal instincts, fearful and respectful of men, will exist in the future.

[–]Bruchibre2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You miss a few things in your equations. AFBB because Chad has options: why would he stick to one woman when he can have 100, since they all want him? Therefore chances of survival reduce for single mothers, while for Beta Joe, it’s harder to reproduce without offering full time commitment. That why you observe girls in their teens being attracted by ripped tall guys while in their late 20s they start looking for a stable provider. They claim they mature, but their sexual strategy simply evolves.

[–]General_Li2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

OP I look forward to your next post about the benefits of terminal cancer

[–]3chazthundergut[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you believe that the basic female reproductive strategy is akin to terminal cancer then you're precisely the type of guy I wrote this post for. Too bad you didn't read it

[–]RainySeasonInPH2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I think you're missing the greater truth here, rule zero if you will: Which is that human being are so fantastically stupid that most of them still act like sex is for reproduction.

[–]3chazthundergut[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Wait you think sex isnt for reproduction?

Do a few decades of sexual revolution negate a million years of biological history?


[–]RainySeasonInPH0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Do you go out to the bar to reproduce? How about Tinder? Swipe because you want a baby?

Have you ever, once, at any time in your entire life, fucked a woman with the deliberate intention of procreating?

[–]3chazthundergut[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

What difference does that make?

When I go to the bar I may not have the intention of procreating, but the biological hardwiring that dictates my preferences certainly does. I'm still looking for youth, a pretty face, full breasts, big butt; I am looking for fertility

Same with Hypergamy. The part of her brain that makes her pussy wet is 100% interested in procreation

[–]RainySeasonInPH0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, you aren't. Nearly all women under the age of menopause are fertile. You are looking for fun. And so is she. Exactly 0% of anyone's brain is interest in procreation, unless they happen to be one of the minority with an impregnation fetish.

Evolution is not a driver, it's a filter. And so far it has filtered for traits that tend to cause the existing genes that have so far survived, to have survived. But you are not looking to procreate, because procreation is of no benefit to the organism. It's a benefit to the genes.

[–]Nicolas06316 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just to be clear, today most men do reproduce and most beta do it too.

The one that do not reproduce are the omega that never managed to convince a girl to get a child with them (even if that for their provider role only) and pure alpha guys unable to commit.

Most beta will at least manage to be divorse raped and to get a child that will force them to lend money to the mother for 18 years.

TRP mens here tend to advocate to not make children and to not commit to a woman because it isn't worth it. Theses mens do not reproduce and their DNA is lost for ever. Only if there were former beta do they had their chance to reproduce actually.

And this perfectly make sense. Today a beta provider is what we need: somebody that will care for the children. There no need to kill dangerous wildlife anymore, more to be kind and commited.

[–]TontoKemosabe1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

20% of men can't protect and provide for 80% of women.

And as far as betas are concerned, no pussy = no resources.

[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Government provides, some provide for themselves and then there's those that give just enough pussy to get some beta to provide.

[–]TontoKemosabe0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Government steals from betas to provide for females. Shit has to end. By force.

[–]astronautfrompompei1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

SAVED THIS. Definitely an interesting thesis.

Wanted to also point out that nothing bans we could all achieve levels of behavioural development that would make most of the population "fit" (and for fit I mean the same concept you refer to in the post).

Said that, I'm not sure we know how to do that. Even looking at here / other resources, it seems that most humans become a shadow of their potential and get very weird (rather than better) when following this path.

Mental craziness is something that festers in solitude and meaningless anonymous idea exchanges...

[EDIT]: spell check

[–]1WarriorMonkMode1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Woman are the grind stones that men use to sharpen their blade.

It's up to you as a man to find a woman whole you can utilize to grind you into a lethal weapon. If you're not careful, you'll just become a useful tool at best or be grinded down into junk at worst.

Women we're designed to break down and filter out weak men from the gene pool. It's up to you if you shatter into something resembling a weapon or if you shatter into a million pieces.

[–]Nergaal1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hypergamy, i.e. the brutal selection of mating partners made by females, has made humans evolve from chimps.

[–]SlippinJimmii1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a great post, if the topic interests you i recommend The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins.

In the same way you dont take it personally when it rains you shouldn't take it personally if your physical charecteristics arent the ideal mate selection. Theyre both occur naturally.

Displaying advantageous characteristics in other areas is the solution. The Problem is it takes hard work. If you sit around, dont chase any major goals and carry a chip on your shoulder about the hand you were dealt then being unsuccessful should come as no suprise.

The Red Pill is the search for truth in reality, boilogical science offers the answers. The advantage to hypergamy once explained is able to quantify a phenominon that once haunted those who it persecuted, giving the something to work against other than the women who display it.

[–]1scissor_me_timbers001 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a great point but there’s another side to it. Hypergamy doesn’t just look for genetic traits, it looks for status and can be fooled easily. In today’s society, this leads to some bizarre outcomes where women do fuck losers, just cuz they think he’s “cool” that month or year (especially in their most fertile years of college age when they are quite stupid.)

Young women do run on hypergamy hyperdrive, but they can also be incredibly stupid and manipulatable. Can’t rememeber how many times I’ve seen a young woman’s choice of guy and thought to myself “this is why fathers used to select mates for their daughters.” Theyre often too stupid to discern a guy who will be a winner in 5-10 years v a loser in 5-10 years.

So yeah you’ve definitely pointed out the evolutionary bedrock of the situation. But in an advanced culture, there are so many other cross currents of cultural distortion that I don’t think womens’ choices are always reflective of some higher immutable law. In the same prehistoric state that hypergamy evolved in, yes female mate choice would almost by definition reflect nature’s will or whatever. But status is determined in many other ways nowadays to how it was then.

The other problem with your argument is that hypergamy itself is one such force of nature that we had to subdue thru patriarchy and constraints of feral female sexuality in order to advance. Limiting hypergamy enhances overall group fitness and allows your group to outcompete other groups because you are harnessing the horsepower of the betas by giving each his domain over his woman.

So in fact the effect of hypergamy is no longer really propelling the human race. To some degree yes. But not in a totalistic way like in pre history. When left unchained, it will throw us back into dissolution. As it most certainly is at the moment, just like at the end of many empires historically.

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[–]MarcosDomingues9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

There are many many guys out there raising kids who aren't their own, completely unaware

[–]sandal_on4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I read around 5% to 10% children are from cheating in the US. That's a big number, like 1 kid in every class.

[–]1scissor_me_timbers000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That sounds high. I’d guess 1-3%

[–]Mefic_vest0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Where a certain subset of men get upset at isn’t about the unfairness of it all (and yes, it is unfair), but with the hypocrisy and double standards: men are expected to rise above their genetic conditioning and make modern and enlightened choices, but women are given a free pass to continue acting like cavewomen.

Essentially, your article is a massive and blatant pussy pass.

If us men are expected to rise above our evolutionarily-designed programming, why can’t we expect women to be forced to do the same?

What’s good for the gander should be every bit as good for the goose.

[–]3chazthundergut[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not salty about the double standard. I treat society's demand that we give up our balls like a shit test.

Instead of being upset that women get to be cavewomen, I just grab my nuts and act like a caveman despite society's objections

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hypergamy is only ok as a man if you reverse it without getting jailed up.

which means - give em the d , the illusion of power over your wealth and then leave them when the better offer is on the table. let's see how long women can take it.

[–]omega_dawg930 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

all of this is cool but here's the deal as i see it.

at some point, the women who choose to have kids, when they see they can't get the top 20% of men, will settle for "chad light" or beta billy.

in Western society, men are saying "take pussy off the pedestal," not realizing that women have already done it for us. broads are fucking like crazy right now... just because... wherever, whenever. they are doing proud slut walks. thank you feminism & birth control. and to those of you who are racist, that's your issue not theirs so don't get butthurt when/if you find out tyrone and/or jamaal TOOK what was FREELY GIVEN to them to enjoy.

when it comes to hypergamy, it's in a woman's firmware; that's just how they are. when given the choice of happy or content, they will choose happy... bc being content means game over to them; they always seek the next biggest & best thing from men, to money, etc. that's why you always hear them say, "he's a nice guy but i feel like I'm settling."

lots of guys are mad about this all bc now they KNOW why women act the way they do... and realize the true nature of women is raw and feral.

lies, deception, manipulation, blame-shifting, more lies, cheating, cheating that "wasn't really sex," cheating that "didn't count," lies... projection... lack of personal responsibility and accountability, lies, having a LOT more cock history than you think, etc. oh and lies too.

it's just who they are... get in the game or stop complaining. that "sweet little angel" is who YOU made her to be in your mind. instead let her actions show you who she really is... and proceed with your life's goals and desires as your #1 focus.

.... bc their hypergamous nature will never stop-not until they're dead.

[–]NextBad0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

> No wonder so many men go MGTOW- they already know that they will lose this game, so they prefer not to play and pretend like its their choice to opt out of reproduction.

Most MGTOW men are married, divorce rape, and have lost everything, until you went though that, than it shows you aren't reading, you are spreading feminist lies about men and your world view is what leads to killing,murder and violence.

Truth is most guys are easily fuckable, once they become masculine but the APA has just declared it a disorder, our issues aren't a lack of self improvement, it's a lack of self love ,

[–]3chazthundergut[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Are you serious!? The APA just declared masculinity a disorder!? OMG I thought culture was my friend!! I guess I will need to turn in my man card now and start acting like a bitch, since society says so...

Men who share my worldview see females for the manipulative, Machiavellian, pragmatic creatures that they are. We aren't waiting around for Hypergamy to change, for women to start loving us unconditionally, or for society to start appreciating men.

Men who get divorce raped and respond by avoiding chicks altogether are like women who get rape raped and respond by avoiding men altogether.

[–]Feelinggood7020 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Humanity isn’t that special. We may have “bent” nature in terms of utilizing as much as we could to this day, but we are still bound by the laws of nature. Overall, we’re just specialized to do what we do. We ain’t shit.

[–]3chazthundergut[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

As a single species, we have gone from scavenging grasslands to unlocking the power of the atom.

The Earth provided us with water and stones and trees. And from these we have forged supercomputers and rocket ships.

"Humans ain't shit?" Of course we are. We have the mind of gods.

[–]sanitypanacea0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Thank you, errors." - Antifragile.

I will never go back to beta game. I will never concede emotion without LONG TERM alpha deference. Enthusiastic consent is all I will ever embrace. No leaning in, no token hugs. No sad DM's. NO TRANSACTIONAL SEX.

I've had a taste of what Rollo calls "validational sex" and what the community calls enthusiastic consent. Just recently I have been awoken to just WHAT separated my input in my success, and why it felt so damn good.

never again brothers. I love you guys and hope 2019 is amazing


[–]1clon3man0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

The problem with a mindset like this is it doesn't draw a difference between getting sexual action and overall lifetime success as a man. I feel these things have been badly mixed up and it contributes to confusion and anxiety in men.

There's a big difference in what is the best strategy for a brief exploratory relationship with women and what should be your path in life to ensure you are successful with women for 10-20 years. These two objectives are inter-related but fundamentally very different with very little overlap in terms of best strategic approach. One of them is very influenced by random events , including just showing up and saying something smart or stupid by mistake. The other is far more cold and calculating.

I'm talking about of my butt here but I think people are too fixated on making mistakes or their perceived deviation from a "plan" and "the plan of the universe". There's a big element of random - and numbers that doesn't get discussed often enough except for the concept of approaching a bunch of women. You know how you become great as man? You try a bunch of shit, even dumbshit that TRP says is BP shit blah blah blah. People are trapped in echo chambers where we're all afraid to do things that put us in a category or fools or orbiters or cucks or whatever else. Nevermind the hypergamous history of the universe for a minute - and focus on what small or big step you're going to take next to make things better or rule out something that is ineffective. Regardless of what anyone else thinks in the moment, including your cool friend chad or your mom. The moment will pass and they will have forgotten.

[–]3chazthundergut[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ok but what is the point? If short-term success is based on random events, then why not just focus on building your long term value?

[–]2jbpostv-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

As much as TRP can blend with MGTOW and assert we should never get married, marriage has been part of curbing the outrageous index of hypergamy that could be occurring right now. We have planes, phones, trains, dms and the internet providing women a means of selecting and positioning themselves for the alpha male. Without certain civilizational implementations, with today’s logistics women would be draining cum from the top 1% alone. But, marriage has made it a societal expectation that we know who the father is and it’s not good for someone to be the father of several children to different women. You see this happen in certain communities but the societal expense through family law, the need for two incomes and the negative rep of single moms makes women play the carousel they’d ride to the point of fertilization without birth control, then actually have children with a beta. So when push comes to shove you could argue women are pushing out a lot of beta gene kids because of beta bucks. If the kind of hypergamy that is natural to our species resurfaced and the nuclear family completely dissolved, we’d all be evolved primates out there ripping each other apart for pussy again (those were the days). See studies of how countries that allow polygamy are directly more violent thanks to the development of more incel Elliot Rodgers types. So while marriage and the blue pill aren’t natural they’ve saved us from nature.

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