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The Female Hustle: Understanding Gold-Diggers, Prostitutes, and Female Sexual Strategies

March 5, 2016
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I. Intro

This post is what I've learned from spending a lot of time with both affluent upper-middle class American women, lower socio-economic status girls from around the world, sex workers, and general thots. I see a missed opportunity sometimes in TRP discussions around gold-digging or AF/BB or hypergamy where the sheer vitriol and disdain that we have for these characterizations shuts down a full exfoliation of the theory behind the scenes. This leads to a false dichotomy where you have good girls / unicorns / LTR material girls and then you have the evil minority, the scheming gold diggers.

This is not the case. Gold-digging is just "female TRP." It's their sexual strategy. We want to minimize commitment and resources given to women, and maximize sex gotten from women. IE give the least, get the most. Not all women are "gold-diggers" but that which drives gold-digging - a desire to get resources and commitment and security (long term value) in exchange for something that has shorter term value (expiring beauty and pussy) - is a part of EVERY SINGLE female's sexual strategy, whether she knows it or not.

And it's not actually that different to the sexual strategy we propose here - in fact, it's so similar, that I'll proudly call myself a "sex-digger." We want to get the maximum pussy (both in terms of quality and quantity) and spend the minimum time / effort / money for it. Get the most, give the least = winning in today's fucked up society and SMP.

Women also want to get the most and give the least. The only difference is, while maybe 10% of guys are viewing dating through this trade-based lens, 90% of women are. All women are trying to trade up, to get more resources and commitment than they have earned. Most guys are just plodding along trying to get what they can get. TRP for women is everywhere - it's in books, popular media, pop music, advice columns, bff talk, and so on. If they are first-gen, you bet they get doses of it from their parents and grandparents telling them to marry a doctor, get into Yale to get a good Mrs. Degree, and seal the deal before they turn 25. Girls are trained to be keyed in to the reality that they must use their youth and beauty to get a winner, as that will give them the fantasy lifestyle that they want. Guys, especially young guys, comparatively do not know their ass from a hole in the ground. Which creates this "ugh fuck these gold-digging bitches" anger when the wool is pulled from their eyes, but the reality is that it's them, they were deficient in terms of their sexual knowledge and strategy.

So, the first step is to assume that all women are playing to win; assume that just like you have your RP ideas, she has her female RP ideas, which is telling her to find stability, lifestyle, excitement, sexual gratification, social status, emotional validation, etc. And part of her "female RP" is that all of these can come from different men, because men are abundant.

This is just their hustle. Some dudes sell drugs, some people do credit card scams, some people become lawyers who rip off old senile people, some people sell their bodies for cash. Women sell the promise of steady sex, affection, love, and caring for the lion's share of your time, resources, social status, and money.

They, like all hustlers, will generally under-deliver on what they promised to give, and try to get YOU to over-deliver on what you give to them. And just like hustlers, they are VERY skilled at doing a quick reading and using their powers of perception to figure out to what extent can they under-deliver and over-charge.

This is basically the TLDR. Turn back here if you're not ready for a wordy ass post.

II. The Drug Dealer

It's very similar to how a dope dealer works when an inexperienced, but clearly high value customer comes around. Say a khakis IT white guy who wants to score some soft white for this party. What will the dealer do?

He'll give the guy the guy his most stepped on coke he has, and he'll act like it's the shit, like it's pure. He knows that this guy has not had a lot of other experiences and points of reference, so this guy will accept what he's saying at face value. The dealer minimizes what he gives out (while inflating the PERCEIVED value of what he's given out). Now, if this guy signals that he knows what he's talking about, he'll give him either better stuff, or he'll be more honest. IE if your dealer knows your not an idiot, he'll know that you know that everyone cuts their coke at least 50%, and he at least will spare you the act of pretending you got this great value. You got the same coke for the same prices everyone's paying for it.

Hopefully the parallel is becoming clear - when women know you've had experience with women, they do not try to bullshit you as much. If they pick up on your inexperience, what do they do? Inflate the PERCEIVED value of what they are giving, while simultaneously minimizing what they actually give out. Perceived value is everything; actual value is irrelevant. If you have no frame of reference, the shittiest mexican brick weed feels like top shelf blue dream, the shittiest coke gets you going like scarface, and the shittiest pussy still feels like heaven on earth. So if you are low on experience, you MUST cultivate the image of a guy who's fucked 100+ women. You absolutely CANNOT come across as someone who hasn't been laid in the past few months, because she will automatically jack up the perceived value and jack up the price, because she knows you're a sucker.

III. Honest versus Dishonest Hustling

Now, there is an honest way women can hustle and a dishonest way. The honest hustle is to ensnare your beta bucks, but in return for him busting his ass to subsidize your ass, you suck his dick, raise his kids, stay faithful, and spend your life squishing your inner craving for the alpha cock you were so used to enjoying in your teens and early 20s.

And to be fair to women, yes, some do that.

Another honest way to do the female hustle is to prostitute yourself. 300 bucks an hr (rate based on your skills and SMV and location, can go way higher or lower depending on how you market yourself). Cater to niche groups, like financially successful guys in NY who like to be beaten up, etc, be smart about it, and give a great service to good customers to build up a roster of qualified repeat customers.

And some women definitely do that. Most whores, however, are flaky, theft-prone, sleazy, and drug addicted, and get into prostitution to make enough money to go on a binge until they are broke and need to sell themselves again. Not to bash on prostitutes, because they are most honest, wayyy more honest about their hustle than gold-diggers. They use old pictures, they bait and switch, they agree to a price then try to gouge you on extras, they rush the clock, they are unreliable, and so on.

The choice at play here is not the false dichotomy of "good normal girls" versus "bad gold digging whores". They are all hustlers. You have a choice between honest hustlers and dishonest hustlers. Honest hustlers are girls trying to provide a reasonably fair, but still less amount of value in return for value that is plausibly proportionate to the value that they put in. IE, the no-BS escort or the "RPW".

The dishonest hustlers? They deal in perceived value - they minimize the value they give while jacking up it's perceived value, while maximizing (and obscuring and downplaying) what you give them. If she's constantly overplaying how much she's worth or she contributes (aka being a SAHM is the hardest job in the world) while downplaying what you contribute (you GET to work 10-11 hours a day, you like work, you're good at it and you get to not be in the house), then you are being hustled dishonestly. If after a hard day of work there's dinner on the table and she at least uses the joint account to keep her pussy waxed for you, then you're being hustled honestly. Still being hustled, but it's honest in that this is the dynamic you signed up for.

III.V SMV and RMV Dishonesty

Dishonest Hustling can also include deals made on the basis of false or manipulated information, generally in the form of lies about one's past. This is an attempt to boost her RMV (relationship market value) and con you into thinking she's something she's not. To her, being a slut versus a good girl is all in the eye of the beholder, and you are the beholder. If she convinces you that she's not a slut, then she isn't one. If you think she's a slut, she's a slut when she's with you. So at any given time, her "am I a slut" compass is dependent upon how she markets herself to the man she is with (and perhaps to some close female friends who's opinions she cared about).

So she can lie about her number count, have you think that her RMV is high, and then by the transitive property of women, her RMV actually becomes this "perceived" RMV. Now you're a 8 who's committed to a 6 because your dumb ass didn't learn how to get a proper HoFax. And by the way, now that she's an 8, aka an equal, she starts to be a little contemptuous of you, a little combative, and she gets you in your head, you feel like a 7, and she takes the lead in the doling out of sex vs. resources/commitment.

Now, let's combine this kind of RMV-dishonesty with some SMV-dishonesty. SMV dishonesty is easy to tell when you know the signs, but to inexperienced guys, it tricks them hard. SMV dishonesty is when a 6 - a plain girl, a little chubby, skinny fat, no ass, plain face with some acne, ok hair, 5'4'', low muscle tone / athleticism looks like a 8 or 9 when you see her. Spanx to fix the figure, pushup bra (check out VS 2 size + bras. B to D, shit is crazy), 300-400 dollars of high end makeup A MONTH, sexy clothes, heels that make her 5'8'', keratin hair treatments, tanning, tubs of concealer for the wrinkles emerging on her 25 year old face due to heavy sun, drinking, smoking, and poor diet, and so on.

Now, girls don't do this malicious, but it's dishonest nonetheless. I don't hate them for it, they are insecure and afraid to take the slow road to a healthy, attractive appearance (diet and exercise). But any given 8-9 at the club can be a 5-7, and your dumb ass will catching feelings before you're objectively evaluated her SMV and RMV.

So this is why you need to WAIT and ASSESS. Think objectively - what is her real SMV, what is her real RMV. What do you perceive her as? What is causing the difference between real and perceived? Ultimately, how you view her SMV and RMV is more important than what it is "objectively" in the eyes of society, because you're fucking her, society's not fucking her. But it's absolutely critical to make sure that your perceived R/SMV is rooted in reality and at least within .5 points of the real MV. Otherwise you are hustling yourself through naivete / denial, or she's hustling you. Never, ever give out t/m/c (time / money / commitment) before you are confident in your assessment of her SMV and RMV, and confident in your assessment of her honesty in presenting it.

IV. The Prostitute Hustle Versus the Gold-Digger Hustle

What is the difference between a gold-diggers hustle and a prostitutes hustle?

Long term versus short term. That's it. Gold-diggers want to maximize a future reward; they trade in promises, in dreams, so to speak. They titillate you with the idea of owning them, of them being your future bride, mother of your kids, personal pornstar, and "cool girl" all rolled into one perfect disney package. They defer what they give to you (sex), and they defer the payment they will receive.

It's smart. They make investments, they don't want the couple hundred or thousand up front. Instead of trying to extract the value right off the bat, they actually put effort and value IN. Their investments grows and grows until they reach the optimal time to cash out. Gold diggers always talk about how much time they put in, the same way your dad might talk about how after X years at the company, he's going to finally get that bigass pension. This is their work; to you it's dating and fun and sex, to them, it's WORK. This is their Staples Center, and they are trying to be Kobe, and they have accepted that it's a long term hustle. Some of the smarter ones have become aware of the expiring clock they are working with and they have primed plan B guys to "develop feelings for" if it turns out that investments make into Alpha Bucks candidate A turn out to be a wash. They have diversified their stocks.

V. The Quadrant

Smarter, long term thinking oriented women before trophy wives & successful gold-diggers. Short term thinking women become prostitutes - now they may call themselves by all kinds of different names, but that's what they are. That's it. If you divide those two categories up into a quadrant, you have 4 archetypes of women. Short-term dishonest hustlers, short-term honest hustlers, long-term dishonest hustlers, long-term honest hustlers.

If you MUST marry (don't), then choose in the long-term honest hustler quadrant.

If you want zero time / commitment investment and you lack the SMV to pull, shop from the short-term honest hustler quadrant. If you can responsibly budget a few hundred bucks a month for it, you can bang a 9 every month in exactly the way you want, when you want, with no effort required.

If you want to plate / pump and dump, shop from the long-term dishonest hustlers quadrant. I'll explain later exactly how to flip the script on them and use their own fantasies to get sex before giving any commitment.

And in case you didn't realize, you leave the short-term dishonest hustler category alone. These are your girls who try to get money from you early, your scammy / druggy hookers, your false accusers, your condom-pokers, and basically any type of girl, rich or poor, who's trying to "finesse" you in some fashion, usually for some quick thing she needs.

VI. "Gold" Doesn't Always Mean Green

To Fuck Gold-Diggers without giving them "gold" or time, you have to understand what their "gold" is. In modern society, it's not necessarily money, but rather, a collection of fantasies and idealizations she has about a certain lifestyle.

So, remember, prostitutes deal in certainties, in concrete value for value trades that occur in the now. Whether it's 60 for a BJ plus 20 to come in her mouth in your car or $300 for an hour of tantric erotic massage and release by a "specialist"... it's a present, concrete trade. Gold-diggers biggest strength is that they are negotiating for future payoffs, for a nebulous fantasy of a lifestyle - this is why they get a house, car, and potentially millions, whereas the hooker gets mattress money. But this is also their weakness.

Because their social contract was one of vague futures, of fantasies, they risk getting nothing. They can put in years of manipulation only to have a dude wise up and dump them on their ass. The escort gets her 300 in an envelope, and she can spend it that night. The gold digger is very, very at risk of hamstering a certain fantasy and projecting it ONTO you, and then believing completely that the big ROI is going to come.

The fact it isn't JUST money that they're after is their strength and weakness. If they grew up middle class, they hustle because they dream of a man providing them with a certain life. Luxury, status, brand names, instagrammable nights, traveling, mimosas and brunch, photogenic kids and the option at 38 to say "fuck it, I want something new, I love you but I'm not in love, I'm going to travel the world on half of your time getting dicked down and writing a feminist blog about it." These hoes hustle for their slice of the American ThotDream, not for money.

Now, let's revisit the Drug Dealer.

VIII. The Fiend Becomes the Dealer

When you understand that she's shopping for a slice of your lifestyle (as well as her craving for alpha dick), all of a sudden, what do these women become? Who do they bear resemblance to? From this angle, they are the fiend, not the dealer. They want to buy a fantasy that they are addicted to; you have what they want. You sell them a fantasy of what could be, you signal the type of lifestyle you have, and show her a hint of what it could be like to be a part of it. You over-promise and under-deliver. How you dress, how you speak, the stories you tell, your material signals (brands and labels and success symbols mean way more to women than you would think), and of course, how desirable your life seems from the outside looking in allow you to inflate your asking price, and deflate what you give in return. All of a sudden you're pushing for more sex up front, and you're offering less commitment and less resources. But this only works if she's shit testing you and you're congruent, and she buys into the idea that you're really living this kickass life.

IX. Lifestyle Creation

Look, no one's life is glamorous enough to keep a hot 22 year old girl in a major city interested for long. Most successful people eat simple meals, hit up the same repetitive tasks every day, live within their means, and don't chase a new stimulation source everyday. So what do you do? You create a fantasy, you make your life look like it's gravy. Your social media makes it look like you spend the weekends chilling on the beach and in nightclubs and fancy restaurants and concerts, but you still have a high profile job and a six pack. You make only OK money, but you've curated 7 outfits that look casual, but high end. You get success symbols where you can - the BMW, the $200 sunglasses, etc etc. Look like you have money, but not to the point where it's gaudy (ie mr. look at my rolex). You have stories of traveling the world, meeting interesting people, doing crazy shit, fucking hot girls, etc, that implies that you're a worldly party animal. When in reality, you work 60 hrs a week and in your spare time, you're in the gym or kitchen making a healthy meal.

Create the fantasy and learn how to sell it. Inflate the perceived value, hype it up without looking like you're trying to. Hint at the potential, create a picture that seems like it's just missing the right woman, and maaayyybe it could be her.

Remember she's hustling this way because she's smarter than a flat rate hooker, and she's used to long term thinking. In the same way you accept paying 50k for 4 years to educate yourself before making a dime, SHE believes that the more she's being asked to pay now and the more elusive you are being, the BIGGER the payout will be at the end. Because it's harder to get, she assumes it will be all the better and she enhances the fantasy - this is a studied phenomena in game design, just ask a WoW player.

When you are clear you expect a high payout (frequent, nasty sex from the get-go) and you show her "the fantasy", she assumes that because your asking price is so damn high compared to all the BP men in her life, the reward must also be higher.

Which brings us full circle. You're now the dealer. You're the hustler, and you can decide who you want to hustle, and whether you want to be honest or dishonest. You can decide if you want to be short term focused or long term focused.

X. Dope & Hope

You sell two things. Your dope is the addictive, intoxicating energy that she feels when she's with an alpha. This is what turns women into alpha widows, this is the drug that makes women return to the CC if they've rode before. Alpha dick is a drug, and you deal it, and you will get girls addicted, and you can actually get girls to do things for you in return for you staying in their life and fucking them.

You also sell something equally powerful. Hope. This is the fantasy, this is "the good life" that you represent. Whether it's "I'll be popular at school if I date Chad, and finally I'll be in the cool girl clique" or it's "I hate working as a customer service rep from Yelp making 30k a year with my English degree in the Bay Area, I want to be a SAHM in a nice big house!" you hold that hope in your hands, and you can dangle in it front of her. IE if she has a travel tumblr and travel blog, and she's always wanted to backpack across Europe (collecting flagpoles in the process), talk about how last summer you did X and Y in New Zealand, and this summer you and some bros had been planning a trip from Nice to Athens, seeing all the major party cities along the way. Then move on and change the subject, like it's nothing to you, it's just what your life is. That is the power of selling hope; she's already thinking I'm going to snag this guy and he's going to whisk me across the globe on an adventure that I've wanted to take since high school, but he seems to do on a yearly basis.

As a general rule of thumb... if she's a young thot, sell DOPE. She doesn't care about your finances or stability or any kind of provisions or support. She's got a daddy and 2 male BFFs who will tend to her needs. She just needs excitement, arousal, and dick.

The exception is if she's involved with any kind of insular social scene like sororities, she's in HS / college, etc, where she will value the status gained by dating / fucking you above all else. If this is the case, you must become popular and high social status in that ecosystem, and sell her the hope that she will further raise her social status by dating you. 99% of thot-reeling in HS and college is social status dependent - she wants to fuck if she thinks it will raise her status, and it only does if you are cooler than her.

If she's 23+, juggle selling the two. She's experienced enough of the modern day workplace to know she wants out, it's not as intellectually stimulating or empowering to be a "career woman" as she thought it would be, turns out that work is just boring and tedious for 99% of people.

If she has another provider in her life (married woman, etc), focus on selling dope. Occupy the AF role, keep things sexual, polarizing, and stand out as much as possible from the beta bucks in her life. Highlight how different you are, kino-escalate, get physical, be forward.

If she doesn't have a provider, get a sense of the life she wants for herself and what she considers to be "the good life". This can be done in 2 minutes of conversation if you are good. Then use that to frame yourself.

XI. The Bottom Line

The male hustle, or "male TRP" if you will, is "sex-digging." Setting up your life to be as sexually successful as possible while minimizing the resources you trade in return for it. The female hustle, or "female TRP", is commitment/resource-digging. Or more commonly known as gold-digging. It's what they are programmed to do, just like we are programmed to compete to smash the most tail.

Don't take your advice on getting laid from people who use the moral argument against gold-diggers and hypergamous women. TRP is amoral. Their sentiment towards these women who exploit and manipulate, it might a true, emotional, and powerful sentiment, but it's also an irrelevant one. Ultimately, AWALT reigns supreme, and you will find that all women hustle, and this doesn't make them bad people. It makes them people. You can outhustle them, you can avoid them, but refusing to learn from them because of how odious they seem to you is not a valid option. There is only good strategy and bad strategy, and good results and bad results. Assume all women are digging for gold - not necessarily your money, but the things created by your money - and quickly assess whether they are looking for a short term or long term payoff, and how honest you believe they are being about the hustle taking place. Once you know that information, you can protect yourself if necessary while getting the quickest, most enthusiastic sex you can get out of her with the minimum time / money requirements possible.

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Title The Female Hustle: Understanding Gold-Diggers, Prostitutes, and Female Sexual Strategies
Author Thotwrecker
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Date March 5, 2016 4:07 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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[–]Senior Contributoradam-l62 points63 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

One of the absolute best articles I have read in here. Pragmatic, and free from moralistic wishful thinking.

Sticky this.

[–]Endorsed ContributorUrsusG26 points27 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Agreed. This is sidebar material.

[–]Delta36529 points30 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Bit off topic, but mildly relevant.

Backstory: Guy in my unit committed suicide about a week ago. Asked my dad how to deal with it since he also was in the army. Told me a lot of factors play into it.

Then he told me about a guy in his unit who was up for promotion to captain. Normally they don't post promotions on weekends due to if you don't get promoted, guys can get really depressed.

So this guy's wife leaves him a few days before promotions are announced. He doesn't get captain. So dad and ~7 guys basically stand watch over him the whole weekend. A lot of alcohol, a few strippers, and escorts were had.

But the thing that stuck out to me was that "strippers and hookers actually care more for soldiers than those stuck up bitches who go to church."

The guy ended up getting through the weekend and getting his head straight. I suppose my point is that most of the time the prostitute who is essentially honest for the most part, is much better company than the woman who rode the cc during college and then found religion.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think your story goes back to Briffault's Law, aka women do not place value upon past things you've done for them, they only value what you are doing for them now and what you will do for them. When you are in the army and married, you're already financing her lifestyle - the money is coming in regardless, that's something that has been set up and solidified in the past.

In the present, there's nothing you can do for her. In the future, you coming home means she has to end her period of getting to do exactly what she wants with no supervision. You'll always lose if you're on the wrong side of Briffault's Law.

Meanwhile strippers and escorts who operate inside of a insular community - ie military base - are purchased for the present, and need to do a good job so that you'll continue to call on them. Developing a reputation as a false advertiser or overcharger or clock counter in a community where people talk can hurt her future financial prospects, especially when there's always newer, younger competition sprouting up.

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire225 points26 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Brilliant long-post; I read every word, a rarity these days.

You could liken cheap hookers to day-traders, engaging in a risky transaction to earn a bit of money by trying to capitalize on a short-term trend, but potentially depriving themselves of long-term gains, and gold-diggers to investors who attempt to appraise investments for long-term gains so they can put their money to work while they do other things, but risk drinking other people's Kool-Aid and winding up with bags. I hadn't thought of it that way.

One thing though, for someone who works hard, doing all that extra work to create an illusion could be .... exhausting. But I guess its all about choice after all.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker[S] 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Thanks. That analogy is spot on.

Creating the illusion comes into play when you start to hamster that you can't get girls yet because you're not in shape yet or not financially rolling. Ideally, you want your life to actually be so awesome that no illusion maintenance is required.

On top of that, however, it's very powerful to calibrate it to what she wants - and hold it just of of reach. So you're not always creating an illusion from scratch, you're just tailoring it. It can be high or low effort, and as a rule of thumb low effort works a lot better.

[–]All__fun1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ideally, you want your life to actually be so awesome that no illusion maintenance is required.

I wish you would have put that line into the

"IX. Lifestyle Creation" & "X. Dope & Hope" Sections.

[–]Chrience13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Just about every single woman in this society wear make up, push up bras, heels, eyeliner, lie about their n count and act like entitled princesses, to become 'dishonest hustlers' like you say.

Heck, the teachers amongst them teach boys to be nice to women and commit EVERYTHING before sex, and I'd say conditioning boys minds to fulfil your own genders Sexual strategy, deliberately before their old enough to think for themselves, is the most 'dishonest' hustling you could do, yet all the female teachers in their droves take part in it. Think of all those sluts doing an Education degree right now...

They ALL lie to inflate their real value, so aside from TRUELY raising your own with lifting, careers and building social circles, for example, as a guy, you shouldn't have any guilt about lying a little to further boost that value. Make up a few stories about travelling the world or fucking hot girls, like Girls paint 'make up' over their face. The SMP is AMORAL, take advantage of that like a woman! (NOT like the PUAs, make sure to raise your REAL value first, then work on PERCIEVED value if you need to stand out.)

[–]destraht0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've discovered that countries that are going the digital currency swipy route have women who seem to be thrilled with me having hard cash in my pocket (even if I make much less) and just the general idea that at some point I have worked and received a pile of cash.

[–]ItIsMyPrivilege0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I was the kind of beta that looked like he fucjed a lot of girls but once you talked to me a bit, I had no solid game. So I started agreeing and amplifying and faking I was a player, had a few drunken hook ups (alch helped me be chill and give less fucks) and over the last year and so I changed my mentality.

These girls started beleivibg I had a different girl for each day of the week, they will bekeive some stupid unreal shit if you hold frame. Made me realize that their need for resources is insatiable since their fantasies run Wilder than even mine

[–]Luckyluke236 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

you sir have changed the way I look at EVERYTHING.

it's like a complete mind fuck at the same time as it is a mind shift.

my brain is still buzzing from what I just read.

after reading your post, I had a huge realization: I wasn't believing in the " dope" I was selling ( nor was I selling any " Hope" at all)

I always thought you had to HAVE those things, but now I see all you have to do is be WORKING TOWARDS THEM.

I'm trying to have the end goal before I've even worked a day in my life to OBTAIN that goal ( if that makes any sense)

I'm not sure how to give you one of that RP point things, but you need one. Thanks for writing this up man. You just blew my mind so much, I can't thank you enough man.

I've come to realise " game" or as we call it here " sexual strategy " is mostly played on "perceived value".

this weekend I was really depressed because I Don't have "things". ( buy things, I mean, A job, money, I still live with my folks, and haven't had sex in awhile) Though I should be happy I'm working TOWARDS them rather whether I have them or a not is IRELLAVENT.

thanks, man, this has made my weekend and really moved me from a deep depression to way more motivation than I could image myself obtaining this weekend.

[–]SharK3D1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I always thought you had to HAVE those things, but now I see all you have to do is be WORKING TOWARDS THEM.

Potential is one of the most powerful tools of male game, especially for younger ones or late bloomers. Consider this The Weeknd lyric, packed with RP gems like most of his stuff;

They don't want my lovin', they just want my potential.

Now think of a real life scenario where that applies. I'm sure you can.

[–]Redpill_Hannibal5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

oh i had similar idea, i tried to understand what circumstances should occur so a woman would give a pussy quicker than usual, i came to the conclusion that:

  1. more women than men in area - when the competition is high, you need to give higher price for the product, in this case product is a man, and a pussy is currency
  2. pressure of time - under heavy pressure a woman should take more reckless decisions, especially if a high quality male won't come back
  3. you need to meet her standards - i mean by that lie proportionaly to the amount of make-up on her face

i'm glad that my thoughts are similar to those of trp endorser, cheers

[–]Five_Decades6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The ideal male situation is to have a harem full of young and fertile women. The ideal female situation is to have a bunch of men offering her commitment, resources, unconditional acceptance, etc. while she takes what she needs from each of them like good genes from the AF, resources (both financial and parenting investments) from the BB, having a team of beta orbiters she strings along as an insurance policy in case her main BB fails, etc.

If gender ratios are unbalanced, the gender in the minority gains power. There is a book written about this called Date-onomics. Sadly it trends into white knight territory sometimes, but it has some interesting field reports as well as scientfic studies on what happens when the gender ratios get unbalanced. Basically, what you'd expect. If women hold the power (are in the minority) then men become what the women want. They commit, become romantic, offer more resources, etc. If men hold the power and are in the minority, then the women start offering more and better sex sooner in the relationship with fewer strings attached. Both genders do that because of the tragedy of the commons, they have to do it because if they don't, the next man/woman will.

What seems like it is happening though is many women have unconsciously blocked out 80% of men. That creates a scenario where the men have the power (the majority of women are all chasing the same 5-20% of men). Because the men are the desired minority in that case (there is maybe 1 desirable male for every 4-5 women chasing him) the women have to become sluts to get the guy interested in her, because if she isn't a slut then the high SMV man can just go find a woman who is. hence the CC.

I wonder if just general economic knowledge can be overlapped with dating information. It is basically the same thing, it is a trade where everyone is trying to get more than they put into it and there are multiple factors that can drive prices up or down.

How desperate is the buyer, how desperate is the seller, does the buyer have other options, does the seller need to make the sale ASAP, the quality of the goods, the amount of resources the buyer can invest, etc.

[–]Kathulos0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If women hold the power (are in the minority) then men become what the women want. They commit, become romantic, offer more resources, etc.

Or they come to the red pill and try to become Chad.

Excellent comment on a sidebar worthy post.

[–]neo99605 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is an outstanding post. I appreciate your example of the archetypes. Breaking women down into quadrants really allows your write up to be easily digested. I believe that no matter what quadrant you may decide to entertain, the main goal is to create an illusion of having the dope which they seek. Always look good, smell good, do nice things and in the end you actually internalize that persona/lifestyle that you actually become that person regardless.

[–]Momo_dollar5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

After a long time a high quality post that makes you think and doesn't just state the obvious. Up there with the old stuff from 2013 to mid 2015.

[–]Steve_Wiener2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I think the golden days ended in 2014 sometime, personally

[–]Momo_dollar4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah you're right. But from when I first started reading TRP mid last year to now the drop in quality has been very steep. Probably noticed it around November

[–]Steve_Wiener1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Definitely. There was a huge influx of new members and every jackass thought he needed to make a post.

[–]Momo_dollar2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Where the fuck did it go? Need to finish reading it

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Got deleted for some reason by the automod :(

[–]Momo_dollar2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Damn even the auto mod's been corrupted by the feminist virus.

[–]2Overkillengine2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The quadrant breakdown of honest-dishonest long term-short term is fucking golden.

Pragmatic and not glorifying hedonism.

[–]TimeNdevotion2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Easily one of the best posts I've seen here - not a word too long!

Thank you !!!

[–]RedPillAccount693 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow, awesome post!

It's been discussed here and by our enemies that when a man first takes the red pill he gets angry. I know I did. When we get angry we say stupid shit that makes it look like we hate women and so forth.

I think this post should read by every angry re-piller to help understand that women are no different, morally speaking, than we are. We are both just pursuing our sexual strategies.

[–]vissil1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for the write-up. I really enjoyed this post. While posts here generally talk about male sexual strategy (as a means to overcome female tendencies), this one goes above that to present a more realistic picture of interests vs. interests.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm getting dishonestly hustled by an 18 yo Thot(50+ kills), and I'm not even fucking her and we've only hooked up a few times even though we hang out almost everyday. I've been slacking in school and other areas of my life because of the time I put in to her, along with food, favours, weed. I'm a 20 yo guy, 6'0, 160lbs(was 190 more muscle but lost it the past few months smoking with her), decent shape, masculine attitude and behaviours. I think it's because I don't have a lot of experience with girls compared to some guys. I only want to fuck her. Any advice?

[–]MasterUm1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

1) Go. For. Other. Women.

2) Work on increasing your SMV (lift/dress/play sports/music) instead of "hanging out with a girl in order to maybe fuck her one day".

3) This is the last for a reason. Game. But experience shows that one normally just can't turn around existing orbiting and suddenly go in for a fuck. It is possible, but don't bother with it. See previous two. Mindset "what do I do in order to get her" will get you precisely nothing and will be your ruin.

[–]War2kali1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thoughtful, objective, excellent post, far removed from the "all women are evil bitches" theme I see too often.

[–]poopcasso1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fucking great write up man, awesome. Thanks.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Great article with searing analysis, and clear cut explanation on the true nature of females.

[–]10xdada1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Stuff like this keeps me coming back. Nice.

[–]MyNameIsNotMichael1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The thing people have yet to learn is nobody gives you power. You just take it.

[–]WhySoRuff1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Like in every aspect of life, sex boils down to being the dealer or the fiend.

[–]tb876701 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I'll get downvotes but I don't fucking care. This is a very good post overall. I strongly disagree with the general tone of the OP of how we should be alright and accepting of the current situation. Morally and amorally we know women exploit and manipulate men who are fed the fairy tale (by women and feminized media) that if you treat a woman right then she will treat you right. We all know the vast majority of the time women don't hold up to that promise and they don't feel bad about being dishonest. Right now there is an imbalance in the way laws are set up and they use the fuck out of that advantage leaving many men suffering. Women can at least get laid, many get rich from divorce, many more can at least subsidize their CC tomfuckery on an ex husband or government welfare at worst. Men do not cause anywhere near as much suffering to the opposite sex and unlike women there is no fallback for men when things don't go their way.

Women following their sexual strategy as laid out in OP is and has been proven to be destructive to society, that makes it something that needs to be stopped if we want the human race to continue. Toss out the right and wrong and look at just survival. There are no morals in survival. Don't praise hypergamy and solipsism at these current levels as something that should be acceptable and that we should just deal with. We must accept the truth of how things are, yes, but we shouldn't be happy with it. Women did not act like this until recently when restraints were both taken away from women and more restraints thrust upon men.

This is not a natural state, this shit we currently live under is a socially engineered state that was slowly allowed to happen over the past several decades one little bit at a time that causes men to suffer by design. This suffering isn't pointless either, it's so women can get everything their sexual strategy wants at the expense of the vast majority of men. This isn't sustainable as many admit with talk of 'the decline' and things are about to destabilize because of it. So yes women are below men even with morals taken out of the equation because when the female sexual strategy is prioritized in society that society collapses which reduces chances of survival and this causes regression of the species instead of progress of the species. It's been seen in ancient history and it's being seen in a few countries right now like Sweden.

will find that all women hustle, and this doesn't make them bad people

Except the female 'hustle' leaves a wake of pain and misery whereas when a man does his 'hustle' both the man and woman get what they want. This one-way street of the woman always winning and general unfairness causes anger in many men. It's nothing to do with morals, that shit doesn't settle with the basis of human nature and we all know it. The human dynamic has been disrupted, laws make it so women can still fulfill their sexual strategy at the expense of men but BOTH sexes are still proven in many studies to be unhappy as a result. Women 'winning' socially causes most people both male and female to actually 'lose' since women only give sex and their best to a specific few in the 80/20 and those few men will not return commitment to any women in kind. This creates many 'losers' on both sides when society is geared to fulfill the female sexual strategy at any cost.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

No downvotes, but what do you propose people do about it? Women are programmed to behave this way, this has been the case throughout history. It's also clear that our government is not going to go Saudi and repress women to the degree where they cannot use their dualistic mating strategies to fuck over beta males. (And even if the govt did, women would find a way).

If women "winning" causes suffering for men and women, then the only solution I see is to study up on how women play and try to beat them. The train cannot be stopped; feminism, sex-positive pro-sluttiness, betafication of males, etc is picking UP momentum. It's going to get a lot worse in our lifetimes.

MRAs, PUAs, TRPers etc are going to find it difficult to visit Canada and congregate in public. There is no stopping this train because it's driven by masses of beta males harnessed by upper-middle class female will to power.

Accepting the situation and coming to terms with how women are is the first step to beating them. I do not see any other way, and I don't see any point in losing my job and getting zero pussy in the process by getting in the way of the train.

What is the alternative to playing the game better than women? And before you say go MGTOW and don't play their game, if 2 or even 20 percent of men drop out of the sexual pyramid, the remaining % fills in the holes and gets redistributed. The people who didn't drop out will be more beta and will get exploited harder.

This isn't Atlas Shrugged where "going Galt" is an option. Dick is abundant. Alpha is relative; if all the alphas leave, the next 10% of men remaining are the "alphas" in terms of the most viable candidates in female eyes.

[–]tb876701 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

When I was new to TRP I tried MGTOW and it didn't work for me, it just isn't me. That isn't a viable option either, that is basically a slow version of suicide as I watch a few of my friends do that out of apathy. One of them is a 26yr old virgin and plans to stay that way. As for what I suggest we do about it, the problem is obvious. Society is currently engineered by laws and culture to support the feminine sexual strategy at great cost to men, both in resources and overall reduced sexual availability.

All we have to do to stop the insanity is change a few laws like divorce laws so they are not so unfair to men. No-fault divorce is a crime against humanity at this point with the track record it has. Give men a right in the choice to be a father or to the right to not be a parent same as women have that choice to abort or not abort, right now it's 100% on the woman and the man has to always pay the consequences of her choice regardless of how he feels. Woman wants the kid but the man doesn't? Let him sign something that abdicates all rights to the child even if it's successful but it also removes all legal and financial responsibility. Women have a monopoly on that choice right now, give men the same option as well and all of a sudden these 'accidents' will drop by a magnitude all across the world. Combine this with divorce laws that are actually fair towards men where women are not entitled to anything but being single again and stability will be obvious within a year or two.

Now I'm not stupid and I do realize this shit won't right itself in my lifetime maybe. The rate things are going downhill I hope Sweden and a few other leftist countries disappear and die fast so the rest of the world wakes up. I think I'll never leave anger phase as many times as I dipped back into it, out of it, back into it again and on and on. My main point is we should not be accepting of how things are. Don't just sit there 'that's how it is now, I'm cool with it' because it's not cool. If you are forced to eat a shit-sandwich you shouldn't be happy about it, the ones sitting there 'well it's going to happen anyway just chill and accept it' would appear silly. Be your own brand of Alpha, make your goals and pursue them as your mission, but this attitude some preach around here to stop being 'angry' about the plight of men just doesn't settle with me. We should be angry, what is happening is not correct. We all know it. That is why TRP exists in the first place. I'm fine living in perpetual anger phase swings because I can't develop that level of apathy to just be alright with it.

[–]kamenr1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The human dynamic has been disrupted

Yes, this is the whole point. An imbalance has been created and the result is unsustainable.

[–]sacbite 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I love your analysis. Truly excellent equation of gold-digging for girls and sex-digging for guys. Do want more insight into TACTICS - selling 'DOPE' here seems only work if you keep the women in the dark about your ACTUAL financial condition - so this whole strategy only works for the first few weeks. What happens when she finds out you did NOT go yachting in Majorca last year? When she sees your shit bedroom? So this strategy won't keep an 'honest husterl' woman interested for long. If you're ONLY interested in PUMP and DUMP, though, it's smart. GREAT POST that analyzes how Red Pill is the equivalent of what women get given to them from birth. We men have had to slowly figure out WHAT the dealio really is between men and women. Women have it handed to them from birth! Thanks!

[–]Five_Decades2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You can pull the 'I want to retire by 40, so I only spend a fraction of my income and invest the rest' card if it comes to that. That would explain the moderate standard of living combined with the occasional luxury purchase.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It has to be 80% real 20 % enhanced. Pick things that fit in with your character. Take advantage of the fact that women seek a very surface level understanding of most things. For example, if you buy a lightly used BMW M3 and keep it in good condition (~20k), most thots don't know the difference between a new 120k M6. They just see the surface, the label.

Now guys will care, guys will know. But chicks just know the brands that say "I have money". Buy cheap designer clothes that fit well and create a unique style for you - get the brands that women care about, just buy last years catalog to save some change.

So you still have to have money. No one making 30k a year is going to be able project themselves as someone banking 100k+, they will have to employ a different strategy. But someone banking 60-70k, well, they can stretch it. Especially if you are putting yourself geographically in areas where your level of financials stand out more.

By keeping your place nice, have a fancy looking minibar, some decent furniture, etc, you get a lot of mileage out of many 2000 bucks or so. So you can't be someone who are not, you have to be 80% there and exagerrate the 20%

[–]1mrust0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What do you think the dangers are of marketing yourself at the wrong quadrant? I find it pretty intuitive to tell between a girl who is long-term vs short-term, but it's much harder to tell honest hustler vs dishonest hustler since this axis is more of a spectrum.

I can spin a good story about my life - lots of travel, living internationally in cool cities and moving whenever I want. Working in a high-paying industry. I think if you sell yourself as having an amazing life, women may adjust their strategy. I'm talking about individual women, not trends here.

When that works in your favor, you are underpaying and she is over-delivering. If you fill her head with international travel, or even just show her your awesome flat, she will put you in beta-bucks territory and now you are over-delivering. How can we mitigate that?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

this deservers more attention, quality post.

[–]Nycredpilldad0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a fine post. Many men have no clue what they are up against.

[–]MasterUm0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exceptional post. You even manage to deliver underlying kindness and acceptance for women, which has been severely lacking recently on TRP.

I consider this a sidebar-worthy material.

[–]vetiarvind0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is honestly one of the best posts I've EVER read. However, I still struggle with the fact that I know female nature to the point (life experience, anecdotes from other men, news) where I don't want much to do with them anymore. I could portray like I have the lifestyle, and I do at times, but these days my male honor feels I'm wasting my time with women (sex has become old at this point compared to the effort needed - it's just more fun than fapping, but not a lot more where it feels like a different experience) and I'd rather just focus on my hobbies and work. However, this stuff is still good to internalize if\when I get back to hustling thot.

[–]1PantsonFire12340 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

This entire post can be summed up with one word.

ENTITLEMENT

It's the death of western civilization.

[–]Five_Decades0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The market now is full of women selling half empty cans of 7-up and trying to convince men they are selling bottles of champagne.

[–]Five_Decades-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I haven't read it all, but I'm commenting to bookmark this to read it later. Thanks.

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