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The impact of Roosh finding God for the Men and the Manosphere

Rugby11
May 30, 2019
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Title The impact of Roosh finding God for the Men and the Manosphere
Author Rugby11
Upvotes 36
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Date May 30, 2019 2:53 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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[–]RedHeimdall61 points62 points  (31 children) | Copy Link

I respect his decision to turn against nihilistic hedonism, and for putting his money where his mouth is.

The problem is that in this modern clown world, even if you want a traditional monogamous marriage, you need to learn game and you need to develop a good amount of indifference to the power of pussy in order to have a chance at making it work out well.

And to do those things you pretty much need to go out and get good at banging a lot of sloots. You can't just read about this stuff -- you have to experience it to internalize it.

So whether you want to be a hedonistic individual all your life or you want to be patriarch of a large family, you have to engage with the world as it is right now. Which means learning how to navigate a free-for-all hypergamous casual sex culture. To abstain is to go incel or mgtow.

[–]GorgeIs26 points27 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

I respect his decision to... put his money where his mouth is.

Nonsense. He's doing the exact opposite.

In the Bible, Jesus tells those who want to redeem themselves to sell their possessions, give the money to the poor, then follow him.

If Roosh has really had a heartfelt religious conversion and wants to follow the word of the almighty creator to whom he's just committed his life, I'm sure he'll be following that Biblical guidance immediately, right?

No... after a lifetime of profiting from selling "sin", in the space of ~30 days, Roosh has pivoted to selling the cure for that sin.

Tickets are available for sale on his website now so we can go learn about it, along with his newest book (which coincidentally requires a much different public image to have any chance of making meaningful sales to its target market.)

I don't doubt there are seeds of truth in his wanting to pursue religion. The man has clearly been depressed and unstable for a while. But I think it's at least as true that he needed a new stream of income and a new shtick - ideally one that meshed with his current life stage.

"You don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion." - L Ron Hubbard

[–]OkMushroom411 points12 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You hit the nail on the head. Dude is about business first and foremost- bascially a conman at this point.

[–]BrownGummyBear4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Such a shame really

[–]BigWeenus423 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most redpill OG's probably at some point struggled with the divide of continuing to help the newbies or abandon them and focus on yourself by making money. (In the form of the 21 convention and other web seminar scams).

[–]42poundsofbutter1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

See I saw it as more realizing game theory applies to "game" religion is basically forcing a semi-stable Nash equilibrium on it

#fashtag #ireallyenjoyedmathinundergrad

[–]SemiLoquacious6 points7 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Jesus wasn't saying to sell all your earthly possessions, he was saying that you should be able to put Jesus before those earthly possessions.

[–]GorgeIs10 points11 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

No, it's exactly what he was saying.

Jesus, in the book of Matthew, says: "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor... Then come, follow me.”

I spent decades in the church and attended seminary - I'm not just shooting my mouth off here. There's an entire industry of people who try to twist the meaning of Bible passages around wealth because many are (understandably) uncomfortable with it - but that doesn't make it true.

[–]SemiLoquacious11 points12 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

The bible doesn't tell you to give up every material possession you've ever owner to be Christian. You're not supposed to live without a car, without a house, and without a phone. That's retarded!

Now lots of people think Jesus was telling this man to be charitable. That's not the case because this same man says he had followed all requirements of the Old Testament Law. If he really had followed the Old Testament Law, he would had been charitable. So Jesus wasn't telling him to be charitable, he was saying, "you should be able to love me more than your stuff, to prove it, you must sell everything."

Which church did you go to anyway?

[–]JohnBugman3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Amen man when did people start believing this softserve shit? I reckon it’s a pearls before swine situation.

[–]IfStalinTradedForex1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Post 1950's the Americans got a super fucked version of christianity with "Nice Jesus" and the "Scofield Reference Bible" which lead to the "Israel first! Jesus was almost passive!" evangelical Christians who seem to model their places of worship after Walmarts

[–]KumonRoguing1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah Christianity is contaminated now days. Just go look at their subreddit. The Bible is badass if you actually read it.

[–]greenlittleman3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

But Jesus lived without any possessions. Without car, for sure. So did many Saints, they even tortured themselves for the sake of their beliefs. You just called this way of life retarded. You are very religious for sure.

[–]neither_or 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

Jesus had a disciple whose only job was to handle his money. Jesus wasn’t just some bum ascetic wandering around whipping himself.

[–]greenlittleman1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Lol, you have such a vivid imagination. Through the Bible he always promoted asceticism and almost all saints were ascetics at some point in their life. Could you quote Bible when it said what Jesus was rich?

[–]IfStalinTradedForex0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Jesus had his followers administer the charity of his church, while living minimally to presumably max out what that charity could do for others. I get what you're saying but for 2000 years ago being able to eat when you want unless you're fasting was a luxury.

[–]GrantTB0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

"almost all saints were ascetics at some point in their life"

Pretty sure this is false. Just read about a lot of them for Exodus 90, and of those, the ascetics were the minority.

[–]ethansight0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Naa Jesus was rockin' a Wraith

[–]BigWeenus421 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Jesus is not a role model, the fact that roosh gave up his identity to cosplay a jewish bum is beyond any human understanding. The goverment probably put acid in his afternoon martini.

[–]curiousdude1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So what does Jesus mean when he says "the poor you will always have with you" and uses the ointment instead of selling it and giving it to the poor?

[–]RedHeimdall1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

If you have to sell all your possessions and give the proceeds to the poor to be a true Christian, then your definition would exclude 99.9999999% of all people throughout history that have called themselves Christian.

He unpublished his game books as far as I know so that's money he could have made that he is rejecting. His new book Lady is for females telling them not to be promiscuous. I doubt it will sell many copies.

[–]BigWeenus420 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ah yes altruism, the brainwashing notion that you should let people suck you dry. An idea created by the people who want to take advantage of this kind of person.

[–]red_matrix0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't doubt there are seeds of truth in his wanting to pursue religion. The man has clearly been depressed and unstable for a while.

That’s the interesting thing about those that choose to live an unfulfilling life of hedonism, they all end up lost and depressed. Didn’t the same thing happen to Mystery? And isn’t the same thing kind of happening to men all across society? And what about the men that get Zero’d out in their 30s and 40s, suicide, right?

Whatever is going on with men is hitting women as well, and we have the first wave of millennial women hitting the wall right now and soon they will realize their eggs are too old and decayed to give birth...I wonder how that kind of pain and anger will manifest itself, and how society will respond?

[–]yungassed9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Agreed, all these new age Christians fail to release that the society in which the regional arose from were extremely patriarchal with females barely having any rights and decision making abilities for themselves. The reason why Islam is on the rise and Christianity is declining in the west is because Arab cultures are still largely like that. Feminism and Christianity cannot coexist. Both share a mythical patriarchal boogeyman, but one views it as the ultimate good, while the other as the ultimate evil.

[–]greenlittleman1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You should understand what they BELIEVE in their religion, they don't choose to follow it rationally.

[–]IfStalinTradedForex0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminism was spearheaded by the bagel people. It has "followers" in every religion or lack thereof but we can't deny the effect the matrilineal nature of the Jewish people had on its genesis.

Edit: I agree but we need to look at the 200-300 year history of feminism in the west

[–]yomo861 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Clown world is the right term. But for me, betting my life, livelihood, income, future and children on the whims of a female and the state who are in return hostile by default to me is not my cup of tea.

[–]hammerhearth1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not just banging sloots. Having your mother get terminally ill. your best friend killing himself, and your father's friend dying in a motor cycle accident will put some perspective into your life too.

There's more than one way to detach from the desire of flesh.

[–]twofones1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have mentally separated women into harem material and wife material.

Kings had harms for thousands of years and society still functioned.

This lets your proceed without compromising yourself emotionally with the wrong women. It is very important to prioritize procreating but non-committal interactions can still be genuine, fun, honest, and most importantly: non-committal

[–]Transmigratory45 points46 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

There could be a chance that somewhere down the line he'll release a new book: "Bang: Getting Laid in Church".

[–]Senior ContributorMentORPHEUS12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A better title.

"Whimper: Getting Laid in Church"

[–]BlindingTwilight 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

Whatever, Mystery fonds a unicorn and has a breakdown, Strauss denounces his earlier work, Roosh becomes a Christian, Pook leaves because his work is done, Ian Ironwood, Jack10of hearts and many other top level contributors leave. Rollo sells out to Anthony “he’s dreaming” Johnson. Married red pill is run by a lunatic, autistic, psychotic autocrat named whinemoreplease (now known as weakandsensitive), TRP gets quarantined. Oroboras, the snake that eats itself. This is the current state of the “manosphere”. It currently looks like a cat fight between Asia Argento and Rose McGowan. Fucking pathetic

[–]umizumiz2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What if they have just ascended...?

We need to figure out there n count, there may be a threshold where our reality breaks down after a certain amount of poon

[–]uebermacht0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Mind to share the work of said top level contributors?

[–]someonesopinion69690 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The fact that it's called “manosphere” is embarrassing.

these are literally just dudes who are discussing how to get laid.

[–]Exposing_too_much26 points27 points  (54 children) | Copy Link

This was a great discussion between Roosh and Donovan. Roosh has nothing to prove. He's banged more woman than 99% of men and come to realize that his life was meaningless. Tragedy brought him to that conclusion. Who can really argue with this?

[–]Endorsed ContributorFereallyRed[🍰] 48 points49 points  (51 children) | Copy Link

My n-count is triple digits, I'm almost 50, love my life. I haven't lost my shit or denounced my entire life.

Poor lost motherfucker.

Red Man Group continues to shoot itself in the dick. Drama Queens. I expected better. But whatever. True colors.

Roosh is an idiot. Always has been a bit, but dove fully completely off the deep end. Never trusted that whiny motherfucker. Always seemed a gentle roundhouse would leave him in a sobbing pile of tears. Anybody I can't fathom sparring with is suspect.

Consider sunk costs.

Take the knowledge he used to imbue, then cut that shit off at ground level.

You don't owe him, not money grubbing Rollo, nor narcissistic Johnson anything.

Use the tools that are appropriate, leave the juvenile soap opera shit to the women.

The pussification continues. You'd hope it wasn't top down. but... the blue juice can reinfiltrate anybody.

Cut him out out of your sphere of influence and move on.

All the manosphere OG's are proving to be paper tigers I could take apart in about 3 minutes. Doesn't mean the theory is wrong, but it stretches the inherent truth, even considering the coach/player designation. Rian is the only guy I have any respect for anymore.

Like the meme. Take what you need, leave the rest.

Fuck. If they're trying to sell you something, then you're the mark.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (36 children) | Copy Link

All the manosphere OG's are proving to be paper tigers I could take apart in about 3 minutes. Doesn't mean the theory is wrong, but it stretches the inherent truth, even considering the coach/player designation.

Therein lies the rub. My observation that the influx of incel/mgtow/tradcons has seriously diluted TRP. Hell, you're getting downvoted for this heartfelt lament.

The pussification continues. You'd hope it wasn't top down. but... the blue juice can reinfiltrate anybody.

There has been this huge push back against lifting here, it seems. Esp. over at asktrp, I have seen "don't tell me to lift" in the title of the pieces, which should be cause for immediate removal and a 7 day ban.

Is it from the top down? I don't know. I think the masses like TRP about as much as the elites do (to whatever degree something like TRP is even on the elites' radars). It could very well be organic.

[–]GrandYam_HomeRun6 points7 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Don't forget the recent influx of "getting married is back on the table boys!" posts. You would think at this juncture certain points were proven beyond a reasonable doubt, but here we are. Lazy newbies come in, don't read the sidebar, think their special snowflake ideas will somehow invalidate years of accumulated research/ideas from great men.

Can't wait 'til the next round of idiots try to convince me cuckolding is RedPill on double secret hard mode (looking at you Jack Murphy)

[–]EdmondDaunts4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

The advice is don’t get married because it minimises risk. It’s a heuristic though.

So if you do get married build contingency. Be prepared for bigger losses but don’t live your life expecting them.

Contingency is more important than not doing things. You can miss investment opportunities that way.

[–]AClive221 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

What exactly is the ROI on marriage?

[–]EdmondDaunts1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You would need to look at time scales. And the people.

I recommend The Millionaire Mind by Thomas Stanley. I keep mentioning it because it’s an eye opener. For self made millionaires marriage formed an essential core that kept them motivated. But that was because the wives had certain qualities. Qualities that complemented the men. And the wives also chose men with certain qualities. It wasn’t all one sided.

As a mechanism marriage has a benefit as a root of society. And that’s not something to belittle as we can see how the destruction of it is a harbinger for a lot of new and untested partnerships.

But as for ROI it depends on the people and their attitudes.

[–]AClive221 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I agree with your assessment. But more and more today within state sanctioned matrimony it really does seem like you are giving your bride to be a gun at the alter and you have to trust she won’t shoot you. Oh and this person may totally change in beliefs and qualities in the next 10 years, and the laws on the books probably will become more and more ‘progressive’ where men become plough horses for the women if they decide to leave with absolute 0 consequence

[–]EdmondDaunts2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes currently it is a minefield. But come a recession and we are due one, a very big one, a lot of the idiocy we see will stop. It is like we are in an “indulgence bubble” fuelled by the influence of easy credit i.e. no or little risk. Hence you see all these progressive ideas like you say but they evaporate. However like the markets, society can stay irrational longer than you can remain solvent.

So building contingency, vetting and maintaining relationships/marriage is tantamount. Or don’t get married.

Basically what TRP is about.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Can't wait 'til the next round of idiots try to convince me cuckolding is RedPill on double secret hard mode (looking at you Jack Murphy)

HA!

I think a simple litmus test of "Have you ever spun 2 plates at any time in your life" would be enough to cut down on 60% of the traffic. Of course, this is a public forum, so that could never be enforced.

[–]anonlymouse2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think a simple litmus test of "Have you ever spun 2 plates at any time in your life" would be enough to cut down on 60% of the traffic. Of course, this is a public forum, so that could never be enforced.

People who have don't need it as much as people who never have. Also, that may knock out Archwinger, and his experiences and insights were great in general, but especially for people already in LTRs.

[–]BigWeenus422 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not impossible, but lets pretend that notion does not exist. Sure you have a chance to win the lottery with a jackpot of 2 billion, but would you stake your quality of life on it? No you wouldn't. So do not do the same with marrage. It's for your own good.

[–]Vikingcel10 points11 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

Esp. over at asktrp, I have seen "don't tell me to lift" in the title of the pieces, which should be cause for immediate removal and a 7 day ban.

You know why guys do that? Because the crushing majority of guys here already lift and the auto-fellatio "just lift bro" responses don't really help anyone.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

You know why guys do that? Because the crushing majority of guys here already lift and the auto-fellatio "just lift bro" responses don't really help anyone

I know you lift, and could probably wipe the floor with me.

But the crushing majority of guys here lift? I call bullshit. Higher end guys, sure....but rank and file? I mean, it takes at least a year to really start getting somewhere with lifting.

You are an example of one for which lifting isn't enough. You seem pretty cool, have a good rep here, and are thoughtful in your posts. You are also one of the few with "cel" in their names that I don't just block.

I don't know what to say to you. It doesn't work every time.

But for many, many guys, getting under the barbell is step 1, and if they aren't willing to do it, they deserve zero sympathy.

[–]Vikingcel3 points4 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

I might be optimistic, but I do believe that most guys here lift.

There is no excuse to not lift and I'm not defending those who don't, but "just lift" has become such a meme that I wouldn't be surprised if newbies didn't take it seriously. When I started reading TRP, I was seriously convinced hitting the gym will solve everything, because everyone put it that way.

The only thing that lifting can solve is being fat or skinny. You won't be better at talking to women, you won't fix your insecurities, you won't have strong frame and women won't start chasing you.

The only reason why I'm much more confident around other men is because they treat me different. If I was treated the way I am treated now back when I was a skinny fat 150lb kid, I'd be as confident around men as I am now.

If you're an ugly short fuck and you get swole, but women still don't see you as attractive, you can feel as alpha as you want, but nothing will change. That's how the 'gymcel' thing was born.

Everything that involves other people is based on outside feedback, no matter what guys here might say.

Having 'cel' in your username is actually a great way to filter out who's full of shit. If anyone mentions my username, I know to take what was said with a grain of salt.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You won't be better at talking to women, you won't fix your insecurities, you won't have strong frame and women won't start chasing you.

This is not my experience. I was always good looking, but once I got a good v-taper, things changed entirely. Fuck yeah it helps when talking to women. They might not be chasing me, but oh man, the IOI's.

It's a matter of varying results.

Appreciate what you have to say, though.

[–]BigWeenus422 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

The most difficult part of the red pill to swallow is that ugly people do exist. Even with a perfect sculpted body you won't compare to a person who has the same body but better facial features. But are you gonna take that shit? Just because you are ripped but have a baby face doesn't mean you get to throw in the towel and start eating ice cream on the couch and cry like a fucking bitch. Even if you have shit game, even if you look like a walking chode, even if your ballsack looks like a hornets nest, IT'S STILL YOUR MOTHERFUCKING SET. Go and approach and eventually one women will want to chow down on your manhood like a holocaust survivor. Never give up, EVER.

[–]Vikingcel4 points5 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Nobody is talking about giving up. If I wanted to give up I'd be on some incel sub and not here.

99% of guys here can't see past their own nose and admit that a huge part of their success is based on being born with a pretty face.

Oh, you're ugly? Just lift bro. Still no success? Must be your frame. Go lift bro.

[–]EdmondDaunts1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

It’s good seeing a comment like this. The whole point of lifting is to build another core aspect of your person i.e strength and health. It isn’t a means to itself. And it certainty isn’t enough to be successful if you have a weak personality.

Building your whole self into someone who improves the world around you is a lifelong practice. And stripping away useless shit, hell even becoming aware of useless shit, is a constant task.

But that’s how it is. Chop wood and fetch water.

Ugly people need to develop an angle and optimise their expectations.

[–]Vikingcel2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Ugly people need to develop an angle and optimise their expectations.

Sneaky way of saying ugly lads should be happy to get starfish sex from their overweight ltr.

[–]cupshadow0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The whole point of lifting is to build another core aspect of your person i.e strength and health.

It's about building confidence too.

[–]BigWeenus420 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You are right that all men aren't born equal. But never take that shit, there are many ways to get ahead so dont focus on looks alone. Ugly drugdealers and thugs get laid all the time, why cant you?

[–]anonlymouse0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The only thing that lifting can solve is being fat or skinny. You won't be better at talking to women, you won't fix your insecurities, you won't have strong frame and women won't start chasing you.

I think that depends on your attitude towards it to begin with. My initial barrier to lifting was cost and concern about injury. Once a buddy of mine who was lifting to rehab an injury pointed me in the right direction I started right away.

Now when I try to do that with friends of mine, there's incredible resistance to it. A couple have admitted they're afraid of it, of doing it around other people. So if you imagine someone who is afraid to just going to the gym, not talking to anyone, and lifting some weights, talking to women is going to be an entirely different mountain for them to climb. Overcoming that first step of being afraid of the gym, and realising it isn't as bad as they thought it will be, gets them a bit closer to actually talking to people (maybe get good at talking to men first, then move on to women).

And realising doing something you were afraid of isn't that bad can be a big confidence booster for the next thing you're afraid of. Assuming you actually went and did it, and didn't reject it from the start with "don't tell me to lift"

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I’ve casually wondered about your name. I disagree with you on occasions but you’re definitely not a “cel” that I can tell. Why the name?

[–]Vikingcel0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Because I technically am one and sympathize with them a lot.

I also thought it will be very funny to eventually write FRs under with this username. If I ever get laid, that is.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Damn bro, I thought it was ironic. I think we argued over the importance of handsome looks vs game once and now this puts it in perspective. Thanks for explaining it and I look forward to that FR!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Shit, I’m celibate because I’m a Christcuck and would like to marry in the Church. And got kinda worried that the girl i buttfucked off tinder could have turned me in to the law and I’d have no defense other Than ‘She she said yes at the time and we we’re both drinking ‘

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I’ve gone from 220 to 185 (bootcamp) and drifted up to 260 (going to college on the VA loan and not adjusting calories) and back down to a burly 195. I tell you, the same women that would laugh and listen, touch my arm, etc when I stated college would ignore me after I got fat. They’re busy laughing and touching the arm of the fitter guy.

Being built will get you better treatment. I lost all kinds of gains cutting weight for my beloved Marine Corps. Women responded way better to me at 200 lbs and about 14% body fat when I was getting my shit together after college. They like that better than the sub 10% bootcamp recruit look.

[–]Vikingcel0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ye. There's a study that upper body strength is like 70-80% of male body attractiveness. There was a significant preference for height and low bf.

But according to science very strong at higher bf>strong at lower bf.

[–]cupshadow0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If newbies can't understand why lifting is TRP 101 and that real change takes time, nothing else will help them. Given the fact they are very young adults, it's most likely they will fuck up a lot before reconsidering the points here.

[–]Proto_Sigma0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Honestly it probably varies even among individuals over time. There are stretches of months where I'm incredibly consistent and never skip a gym session. Then there are weeks or months of fits and starts, where mostly through incompetence or poor scheduling I end up sacrificing workouts- I'll try to at least run every morning or do pushups but it isn't the same. In hindsight the sacrifice is almost never worth it- lifting grounds me- it helps me manage my time, resist the temptations of stupid distractions, and control my diet.

If you aren't working out consistently, do it. I need to take more of this advice myself but everyone here should lift as consistently and diligently as they can.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

In hindsight the sacrifice is almost never worth it- lifting grounds me- it helps me manage my time, resist the temptations of stupid distractions, and control my diet.

Great stuff. Also, there is an end game here. You get like 80% of your gains in the first couple years. It's fine to look at things in terms of maintenance, eventually. I think people have a habit of lifting hard until they get injured or hit a plateau, then kick back and enjoy previous glory. It would take, what, 2-3 hours a week max to maintain? And I mean for decades to come.

[–]5Imperator_Red3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Esp. over at asktrp

Asktrp is like the Godfather Part III or the Star Wars prequels/Disney sequels. I try to pretend that it doesn't exist.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Always seemed a gentle roundhouse would leave him in a sobbing pile of tears.

His sister died and he keeps repeating it.

Every situation is individual, but in my opinion, a grown up man should be able to mourn the death of his closest ones without trying to gain sympathy over YT or blog or whatever. The truth is, nobody gives a fuck and if he needs that kind of "support", this means he's way more a broken man than it looks.

EDIT: men raised by mostly women know how to adapt, how to detect subtle changes in their moods, they know what to do to please women, because they are conditioned to do that since early childhood. Even if they manage to fuck multiple women, they're still empty inside, because they did that not from a perspective of a man, but from the perspective of a child, that tries to please.

TBH, Jesus Christ is probably the "least evil" that RooshV could get himself into now.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil10 points11 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

And who showed you their true colors? Who stormed the beaches and took all of the fire? Exactly :)

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You were right the whole time. My question to you, what was your thought process in the beginning, that lead you to those conclusions. Which man, which incident was the first time you noticed. I guess it began earlier than the Dildo Baggins situation, didn't it?

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My entire education, secondary and post secondary taught me to critically analize text. That's what the LSAT tests for and that's what I studied for.

The big red flag is that Rolly doesn't understand that the Red Pill is an ideology, which is to say he has no fucking clue what an ideology is or what the Red Pill is.

On a personal note he's not interested in reading. I know this from a phone call we had years ago. This guy is not a reader, not intellectually curious and ends up making a lot of mistakes, exactly what you would expect from a bar-room philosopher.

Finally on a very practical note if it looks like a cuck and walks like a cuck...it's a cuck. It was only a matter of time untill all of the contradictions surfaced.

[–]PaulAJK0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, OK. Well done, but I'm still going to give Rollo the pass because of the immense intellectual contributions he's made to RP. Wish he wasn't pimping himself out to the cuckvention though.

[–]Exposing_too_much0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

It seems to me that you have much more to say about it. Much more can certainly be said. I will be saying something about it soon enough.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

There is a lot of fun to be had with this one for sure. More importantly however is that everyone here is familiar with this cast of zany characters, which means that the whole situation can be used to explain a lot of deep social theory in a way that will be entertaining and useful to the mostly university age dudes here.

Its much easier to explain the Red Pill in a relatable way when you have endless footage of beta males pretending to be Alpha.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFereallyRed[🍰] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

If you put yourself out there as not just a RP aware man, but as a beacon, a shining light, then you better be able to walk the walk, because otherwise you're just another keyboard jockey.

I remember you gave the Family Alpha's frame a little well deserved poke about him not having, well, any physique whatsoever, and he curled up in a little ball and rolled home, still shilling his $20 paperback... "31 days to masculinity."

Another paper tiger.

[–]666Evo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not that I'm anybody around here, but what the fuck did I miss?

[–]Exposing_too_much0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I didn't feel like waiting six months to get enough karma to post in this forum. I posted it in the mgtow reddit. Can't post link but you should be able to find it.

[–]Exposing_too_much5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm no fan of the red man group, Rollo, or anything associated with the 21 convention at this point. I'm actually preparing a scathing but fair review of "dream" that will make people think. I'll post that when it's done.

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As for Rian, he's just like the rest. He gets drunk on red man group as if he's too cool to be sober. He parrots everything Rollo says. ANd he's a money-grubber too. He's got his 4R dating consulting or whatever that is. It's the same thing they all sell: 15 year old PUA snake oil

[–]whuttupfoo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This comment looks like it was written by a female. So emotional.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Watch out we've got a badass over here

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I can.

The fact that he received message (yet to be decoded) from god while on shrooms should make you a bit suspicious.

[–]PS2Errol-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It took him that long to realise that life was meaningless?

[–]andreas-mgtow12 points13 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

TheRedPill is a profound realization. When I first encountered, it changed my point of view and opened my eyes to the true nature of women.

My first reaction was "I can bang these hos just using Game", it does work. My body count in the last 3yrs since I went RP was 29, not as high as many dudes in here, but higher than most men I know.

Then, one day, you realize that valuing yourself in terms of pussy, effectively devalues your potential as a man. That's when I decided MGTOW was for me. I still get my dong wet, but I no longer live my life in terms of chasing pussy.

Sooner or later you realize that the "alpha" that is expressed in terms of pussy is no alpha at all, where you go from there is up to you. Roosh went back to full religious tradcon. That's his choice, but it is just another pill more.

[–]5Imperator_Red11 points12 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

That's when I decided MGTOW was for me. I still get my dong wet, but I no longer live my life in terms of chasing pussy.

I'm so sick of reading this. If this is what MGTOW advocates, then there is no functional difference between it and TRP, because TRP advocates the exact same thing. But this is not what MGTOW actually says. It tells men to completely cut women out of your life.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

All nuance is gone. On one level, TRP is exactly MGTOW: Men choosing casual relationships rather than chasing Disney fantasies, and never giving one woman 100% control of pussy supply. That is certainly going one's own way.

The way I thought of it about 11-12 years ago was this: A good relationship is like hanging out in a high country meadow. There are flowers everywhere, a tumbling stream for cold fresh water, you're protected from the worst of the elements, and THERE IS PLENTY OF SPACE.

Some people are at base (at the bottom of the mountain, in the scrublands....you know, pumping 'n dumping single mothers for sport).

Some people rope up and climb for the peak (i.e., marriage....but note, if one falls, the other is in trouble and likely both go down together, in this formulation).

Some of us just want to take in the bounty from a comfortable meadow.

All. Nuance. Is. Gone.

[–]andreas-mgtow0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

there is no functional difference between it and TRP

For me the critical tangible difference is that MGTOW lets go of the last "unicorn" fantasy and asserts that TheSystem itself is broken and marriage is a shit deal not worth the risk, and taking it is accepting indenture and staying in ThePlantation.

The RP in its purest form still believes that if you are "alpha", keep "high SMV", use "dread", "hold frame", you can "lead your Unicorn" and live a blissful marriage.

This is simple to illustrate by comparing the two reddit subs. Find One MGTOW post about how to lead a happy married life.

Other than that, We are all red pilled men, different only in degree.

[–]5Imperator_Red0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

The RP in its purest form still believes that if you are "alpha", keep "high SMV", use "dread", "hold frame", you can "lead your Unicorn" and live a blissful marriage.

No it doesn't. What are you talking about? Fucking mgtows

[–]andreas-mgtow2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Sidebar: "Relationships, the Red Pill, and you". This would be laughed off the side bar at the other sub, or it would be a one-line: "GTFOOH!".

Sidebar, filter by flair: "Married Red Pill". Again, not even a concept for MGTOW.

Search this sub for "dread" or "leading", try the other sub... You will find no hits on the latter. We are over "relationships" and have no use for these "techniques"

Not putting TRP down, just pointing the differences. We are much more alike than We are different, and most MGTOWs learned about the red pill first.

I personally come here because I enjoy most posts and this sub has certain optimism and vitality that MGTOW is lacking, and far less anger.

[–]Distractingyou1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I find them weird, i thought they were supposed to be alphas with some pstd so they say fuck girls i go on my own but mostly they are only weird creepy incels with no experience and they would rather fuck dolls than real woman cause they are cunts acting alpha

[–]wildtimes30 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Relationships, the Red Pill, and you" and "Married Red Pill" seem to have arisen out of necessity, not because of proper planning / foresight.

A lot of guys didn’t take the pill until they were already in too deep and I don’t think it’s fair to lump in the rest of TRP with the “fix it” (“dread” for ex) concepts required by guys already married or cohabitating.

“Leading” does point to an idea I’ve seen here:

That you can get better sex from a LTR, than you can from plates.

True or not, I don’t think I’ve ever seen TRP advocate marriage or cohabitation as a future plan or goal.

[–]massivewang5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think the point is sex is a big deal when you're not having any. Once I increased my N count and lived the party/pick up/etc life style I found that it's not that fulfilling and doesn't add much value to my life. Sex is x% of my life, there is still the remaining y% to figure out.

I think the most important aspect of TRP is being aware, accepting reality for what it is, and then acting accordingly without naivete/illusion.

Some guys are going to be happy spinning plates, other guys are not going to enjoy that kind of life style or feel comfortable with it. To each his own.

[–]3chazthundergut9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

It was no surprise, and at this point he wont be much missed. He was kind of becoming a racist twat anyways.

10 bucks says he's pussy whipped for some Christian bitch

[–]3chazthundergut6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Also guys PSA: you can abstain from hedonism and find purpose in life without resorting to fairytales. Start with meditations by Marcus Aurelius

[–]DickZinnendorf2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree. Ancient philosophy is a diamond in the rough.

[–]Odinoo2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I like Meditations, but Plato’s Republic did more for me. Thinking about the meaning of what is just and the dialogue on what makes a good society is very useful and applicable to being a man.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Nothing wrong with not having internet at home.

Nothing wrong with the hobo look.

This reminds me of Terry A. Davis, author of TempleOS :-)

[–]umizumiz4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Those CIA niggers ended up getting him :/ RIP Terry

[–]ROTHSCHILD_GOON_19132 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

roosh's journey in many ways mirrors the arc of the internet "red pill" manosphere at large: starting out focusing on how to chase pussy, then focusing on how to chase status, and finally coming to focus on being the best man that you can be: a man in the image of god

i still think that the manosphere is a fantastic resource for young men who are struggling with the initial de-brainwashing process in modern society, but most of us, like roosh, have moved on from the sort of nihilistic zero-sum thinking of "red pill" philosophy

good luck to all of those on a similar path

[–]Chadster1134 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Roosh is how old? And he is still trying to find himself? This is what a lost boy looks like. Kinda sad

[–]AnjaJutta4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

send him your Amazon referral link to 12 rules of life.

[–]greenlittleman1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If we imagine our knowledge about the world as a jigsaw puzzle then religion would be attempt to say what "every lost piece of puzzle is a proof what God exist".. And while they are proven wrong over and over again (we know what diseases aren't god's punishment, we know fundamental universe laws, etc), there are always some missing pieces on the one hand and on the other there are so much pieces we already have what most people just don't know about them and there is no one who can have knowledge about all pieces which we already solved thanks to the science, because human mind and lifetime are limited after all. It allows people to believe in fiction. The problem of Roosh isn't his attempt to become monogamous, but the fact what his mind was blinded and instead of real arguments to why "whoring is bad" all he could say "it is written in Bible".

[–]Kratz1771 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Roosh is a businessman.

I used to see Roosh as an older brother. But the more I got to know him the more I started to be turned off by what I saw as a disingenuous pandering to different bases first men, then alt right and now religious people.

[–]5Imperator_Red1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That picture you have was a Halloween costume he wore btw. It’s not like he actually dresses like Jesus and carries a bible around now.

[–]Kratz1771 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The manosphere will be divided in two camps:

A religious one which people leaning more and more towards the alt right and the idea of the reinvidication of America as a Christian bastion.

A liberal one(MGTOW/Redpill) which more focus on legalizing prostitution.

[–]Rugby11[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

A religious one which people leaning more and more towards the alt right and the idea of the reinvidication of America as a Christian bastion.

A liberal one(MGTOW/Redpill) which more focus on legalizing prostitution.

wow that's an astute observation

[–]Illiaan1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Sit the hell down Saint Augustine, you've got a contender.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

TBH many saints have similar lives... like someone was a badass then found Christ... have you heard about General Butt Naked? Look him up. Another "saint" probably.

[–]Rufferto_n_Groo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Roosh found purpose and meaning on the other side of empty enjoyment of the decline.

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Every human is dust, and only those that leave their genes, tradition, and property to their offspring have any shred of immortality.

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All the fucking, lifting, and red pill virtue signaling here leave nothing but dust behind.

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Ya'll will turn your noses up and virtue signal all the more fiercely when you hear next that he gets married. He'll probably have a couple of kids, too. His existence will have a meaning and continuation beyond his death, and I'm not talking religion or souls.

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None of yours will until you go to the next stage.

[–]TheImpossible10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

He got blackmailed by someone representing women's interests. It's pretty obvious.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

When will people realize The Red Pill is about becoming the best version of yourself, not about women?

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon16 points17 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

When will people realize The Red Pill is about becoming the best version of yourself, not about women?

Hopefully never, because it's not true.

The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men.

It's right there in the sidebar. That's the big bar that's at the side.

[–]JimReddzz1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wish i could double up vote this. This statement is what brought me here.

[–]hammerhearth1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

you scared him into deleting his account

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

1 down, 100 000 to go

[–]RiskyRewarder2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

And believing in fairy tale alpha in the sky is as blue pill as you get

[–]lukkassu1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Not necessarily. Yes most 'modern Christianity' is stupid Blue Pill but take the Text literally and it's actually fairly RP.

Yeah there's the one man one woman thing, but in the historical context of a man as king of his home with all the authority to maintain that, it works.

The problem Roosh is facing now is seeking a unicorn that is actually compatible with that in a society where she can divorce rape him, and ruin his life even more if he tried to enforce the respect the bible commands a woman give her husband.

Permanently moving to the third world might be the only way.

[–]Vikingcel2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

If you take the text literally you'd have to literally believe a magical sky daddy made everything.

[–]lukkassu-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

How does it matter how everything came to exist?

Seriously, how is the origin of the earth in any way relevant.

[–]Vikingcel4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It was clearly relevant enough to be included in the text you want to take literally.

[–]lukkassu-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Hey man, if you want to trip on the world's backstory have fun with that. I'm going to go lift.

[–]Vikingcel6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You have fun worshipping a magical sky daddy, while I enjoy my post workout meal. Don't forget to not wear mixed fiber clothing to the gym.

[–]jkarovskaya0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The text itself is a relic of ancient Mid-east culture, barbaric tribal practices, and mythology.

The new testament is full of immoral mandates like condoning and supporting slavery (Ephesians 6:5) and murdering your own child if he curses you (Matthew 15:3-5)

Old testament is much worse, where you're mandated to murder anyone who works on the 7th day of the week, or killing children & babies because god commanded it. (1 Sam 15:3)

Roosh is delusional

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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