The Power Game

September 18, 2018

We did an exercise in my Theatre class this morning called "The Power Game." The rules are simple.

Two people take the stage. The objective is to win without touching each other, or speaking. The two interact with each other, and the audience decides the winner.

Me and my friend Quan were the first two up, because we're always enthusiastic volunteers. We stood across from each other, just staring at the other's eyes in a sort of staring contest. Quan folded his arms, and I stepped closer to him. I folded my arms as well, as I puffed up my chest and stood closer and closer. I wouldn't let him step away either. I thought I was being the dominant one.

Afterwards, my classmates unanimously agreed that Quan was the winner.

You see, Quan wasn't trying. He was naturally bigger and taller than me, and he kept a casual composure. He was willing to walk away, and I wasn't. When I saw the other "scenes" I realized this immediately.

Austin and Wyatt were up. Austin simply ignored Wyatt, walking around in circles, while Wyatt followed. Austin turned to face him off, and actually removed his shirt. The girls freaked out, even though he's not particularly muscular.

It's clear to see that Austin won. Once again, he defined the terms of the engagement. Wyatt did nothing but react to Austin.

Finally, we had two girls- Desiree and Samantha. Desiree immediately crouched down to tie a shoe, while Samantha stood over her crossly. Samantha seemed to be waiting to be paid attention, which never came. She walked over to a couch left on stage for one of our shows, and just lay there playing with her nails, while Desiree never moved, never looking away from whatever was directly in front of her. Finally, Samantha returned, crossing Desiree's field of vision, finally causing her to look up, and move.

But Desiree still won, and Samantha readily agreed.

You see, true power lies with those who don't depend on others. To hold frame, you must be a rock. And luckily, you have a natural size advantage over most women, just like Quan had with me. You must lead the way for women. If you follow them, you place yourself in their power. Have your own goal, like Desiree. And if you do disconnect, like Samantha, never cave and come back.

If you have the opportunity, I highly recommend playing the Power Game. It's the perfect representation of how frame really works.

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Title The Power Game
Author Theguygotgame777
Upvotes 1150
Comments 97
Date September 18, 2018 12:40 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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[–]Do not send modmail to my personal inboxCrazyHorseInvincible[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (2 children) | Copy Link

Report Hall of Shame:

1: beta bitch high school student WHO CARES FAG

I care. And I run this place. So you can just float and sputter.

[–]throwawayycheyeah572 points573 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I dont know what I was expecting from reading this. But I liked it. Not every post has to be about depressing shit or bitches. Wholesome read

[–]ioncehadsexinapool108 points109 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah imo this should be stickied at the top. Eloquent, lucid, sharp, succinct.

[–]ISeekI25 points26 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. Excellent write up of this game and I'll definitely be playing this in various contexts when I facilitate a workshop.

[–]ArchetypicalDegen101 points102 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

This is a really cool post. It's such a simple observation, but a powerful one. I truly do think those who lash out at others are weak. The alpha is composed and unphased. They go about their life, achieving what they want.

True power can't be forced. True power is gained by one's virtue being as such that others want to follow naturally. Trying to gain power through intimidation just shows the other that you lack natural talents. They'll turn on you the second they can.

I recommend Machiavelli's The Prince to anyone who is interested in how power is gained. He teaches us that the Tyrant's power is temporary, to be taken by another, more powerful tyrant. A leader by virtue is immortal, in a sense.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The alpha is composed and unphased.

The Romans had a name for this. Funny how the Ancients already knew this shit and here we are discovering it again now.

[–]IkWhatUDidLastSummer3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No thats not the same. Thats "dignity" and dignity can in some ways be understood as "obedient to your obligations" but in that context it should more be understand as moral and responsible and a good person. Composed and unphased would be "stoic".

[–]Demiurge_Decline0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

My favorite book. Named my son after this book. People assume its from the singer.

[–]KeasMe 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Very interesting. Seriously one of the most insightful things I’ve seen on this sub. Usually it’s just “here’s 20 detailed steps you should religiously follow to look like you’re not trying hard”.

[–]turtle-temptation18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah it was a nice way of explaining it so we could envision it and it was a nice break from the usual format

[–]trawowayqwj 1 points [recovered]  (14 children) | Copy Link

[–]A_solo_tripper8 points9 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Is the whole movie as good as that scene?

[–]trawowayqwj 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

No clue. A recruiter showed me this clip while dropping 10 other RP truths in his job.

[–]TRP Legal ExpertColdIceZero1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This movie holds a special place in my heart because of the time and circumstances in which I saw it. But objectively, it isn't a very good movie. It's a near-complete rip off of "Rounders" (Matt Damon and Edward Norton), only with billiards instead of poker (Rounders was a better film).

If you're in your late teens, early twenties and you and your friends really, really like shooting pool, then you'll get a kick out of this movie. But if poolhalls aren't your typical hangout spot and you're just looking for a decent movie to enjoy, then you likely won't enjoy the overall bad writing and poor acting by the main characters in Poolhall Junkies (Chazz and Walken were brilliant though).

[–]Luckyluke232 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

i wouldn't say it's a rip off of rounders. I mean. johnny didn't play for another guy he played for himself.

I do like the film for the other chars they have in the film too. like tang and johnny brother. how they all suck at pool and wanna be like Johnny.

I REALLY like pool though so this movie gets me.

[–]Luckyluke231 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

if you are into pool it's a GREAT MOVIE. i love it... some of the shots in it are awesome.

plus mars Calahan gives a decent performance. so does Walken.

if you are looking for more red pill scene this is the only one. if you are looking for a great pool film give it a shot.

[–]poohead3 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy Link

Here's a nice edit with that audio clip.

[–]NatGasKing66 points67 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Whoever angers you, controls you.

It’s about remembering the locus of control, is it internal or external?

[–]Saturn198139 points40 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I also like the quote from Fight Club: “What you own - wines up owning you.”

When you put all your emotional investment on a person - who by definition - is an independent being, you will never quite get exactly what you want from them. And that leads to a internal struggle with your own ego.

When you let go - and truly let go - of all expectations of outcomes that are beyond your grasp - you truly win.

[–]ethbytes5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Agreed, well put.
When you let go, and/or have had everything taken and "let the societal plates fall" ALL of them, you become different. The don't care because been there attitude, take it or leave it because I have let go of the steering wheel. It can be quite the driving force as the attitude can carry over to training etc: "Fuck this, I have been through much worse! Common, throw up!"
Tolerance/patience for bullshit gets very low/none I have found also?

[–]Saturn19813 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

“Act like you’ve been there” is really good advice for pretty much everything!

[–]Chaddeus_Rex5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Whoever angers you, controls you.

Ah. I see you have ended up discovering the essence of the Buddha and the Way of the Samurai - though a Samurai does not have to necessarily be a soldier.

It was once said that Alexander never let an indian yogi be killed when the yogi refused to move from his path. Alexander saw the yogi as a warrior too. The yogi too endured a strict discipline - he was out on his post at the dawn of the day and refused to abandon his post regardless of the weather. The yogi too endured the scorching sun, the howling winds, torrential rain - all to achieve a greater goal - enlightenment. Each trial was necessary, so that nothing angered them and thus nothing controlled them.

[–]moltenw[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Does that include just not liking a certain person?

Probably does, just wondering.

[–]flashcash12 1 points [recovered]  (32 children) | Copy Link

I think this post sums up our favorite thing. Lifting. Go lift and lift some more.

[–]ioncehadsexinapool19 points20 points  (31 children) | Copy Link

I’ve been looking for ways to get some novel muscle building activities without having to go to the gym. I do...but it’s mind numbingly boring. I’d much rather find some sort of sport or hobby that would naturally put some muscle on me.

Got any ideas? 💡

[–]flashcash12 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

I think the gym is boring as fuck too. Also when I lift I do intense circuit training for 45-60 mins. Basically no breaks so I’m not really thinking about how bored is am.

If you’re already fit you can do something like rock climbing (great date activity too) or so.

[–]JelloCheesecake16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

u/ioncehadsexinapool Maybe you should change your approach to the gym. Find an online coach (for example, dr. Israetel) that knows what they’re talking about. They’ll help you see the gym and working out differently, and will help you change your workouts, keeping you doing new things and thus more engaged and less bored.

I actually enjoy going to the gym, a lot. Especially when I get to do a new lift i haven’t done before or in a long time.

AthleanX has a lot of good lifts to try and Dr. Israetel on YT has a hypertrophic guide that helps you determine the minimum number of sets per week to do per muscle group to train to the maximum efficiency for hypertrophy.

If you’re really making gains I don’t see how you can find the gym “boring as fuck.” Do it for you, not for the bitches. I found that I get depressed if I haven’t been to the gym in a while. That may be due to a general lack of discipline, or it may be directly due to not lifting, but it is a constant theme.

Ninja edit: check out fitness instagrams for even more lifts. AthleanX is a good place to start.

[–]WhiteGhosts3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Especially when I get to do a new lift i haven’t done before or in a long time.

I agree. This makes me go to the gym as well. If i cant work out for a week i go nuts

[–]The_Ron_Swansonson9 points10 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Gymnastics guys are jacked. Martial arts will help you too.

[–]gmflag2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Look at GSP. GSP trains gymnastics, BJJ, Muay thai, wrestling, and of course does some strength and conditioning on the side. That guy is a fucking monster.

[–]Garathon2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

That's because they're like 5' tall.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Haha, I always see men absolutely jacked online (Jeff Nippard comes to mind) then realize they are 5'5 and probably weigh less than 170. He certainly is making the best of his situation, but the camera works in mysterious ways.

[–]Garathon1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah it's easy getting jacked if you only need to add 10lbs to increase your weight by 10%

[–]Equal_Tractor9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A base of strength will pay out in any sport you do. If you think the gym is boring, go out and do a hobby that is physical. I wrestled and played football back in high school and I consider the gym a hobby. But if you don't want to get bored so quickly if you start doing martial arts, rock climbing, or play basketball.I Sport specific training might start to interest you.

[–]TheLanternFlame5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Try calisthenics/body weights exercise. It's similar to gymnastics, but more on the exercise side, not much on the finesse/aesthetics like gymnastics

[–]drbldmny11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

you will never look like you lift weights unless you lift weights

[–]accountfortrp2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I've started rock climbing because they're is a free gym at my uni, great supplement for my workouts and it's challenging physically and mentally

[–]gmflag0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

help so much with lifting because of that grip strength. It also changed my wrestling and jiu-jitsu game having that grip strength

[–]PraiseBasedDonut2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Start martial arts and combine bodyweight fitness with it. Great for physical and mental health.

[–]jiffpeanutbuter2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Train in some form of hand-to-hand martial art. Preferably one that is applicable - to an extent - in a real-world situation. (Muay Thai, kickboxing, Jiu-Jitsu, or train in MMA which combines them all)

This will not build a lot of muscle, but it will get you fit and is far from boring. In addition, you will feel better prepared to handle yourself in a physical altercation should the situation arise, which will lead to a more relaxed, natural confidence. (I have no source for this other than my own personal experience) Much like a lion that KNOWS it is able to handle the hyenas, so it can ignore them until it is absolutely necessary to react.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I've read recently that it could be better for a beginner to start with boxing, then afterwards move onto kickboxing. This allows you to focus on the striking and build up the form and stamina before moving onto something else, whereas those who went directly into BJJ and other forms may grapple well but aren't as good as the strikers who started with boxing. Would you agree?

[–]jiffpeanutbuter0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I got to a training gym that alternates kickboxing and Jiu Jitsu days throughout the week so you get both.

Yeah, people trained in BJJ May not be as good at striking, but the second they take a boxer to the ground, the boxer is a “fish out of water”; they’re fucked unless they are trained in BJJ as well.

[–]Gainster1990-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes this builds confidence like nothing else.

I also Lift and a few years ago I solely lifted, what a waste that was.. it is much better to lift and train a martial art, makes lifting more purposeful as you're training for strength and performance.

Dudes that only Lift to look better or are into bodybuilding with no other hobbies/ sports are feminine as fuck.

[–]Jon_Tren_Yin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Would you like some more judgement with your generalization?

If someone loves bodybuilding and passionately invests everything into it, it's something to be celebrated and respected

[–]ghosts_of_me4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I like skateboarding. Its HIIT, legs and core in one activity. I just gym for upper body (those are the fun lifts anyway) and it's working for me.

[–]bojsihtekat 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

And skateboarders are badass...which women like.

[–]ghosts_of_me4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Pity that chicks never hang out at skate parks so I dont get witnessed when I'm in my element.

[–]qiang_shi4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No. They're kids. Which is how women see them.

[–]xddm26531 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I love running but that's just me

[–]youlovethisish1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fighting is probably the most invigorating thing you can get into.

You NEED to be in good physical shape to survive in a ring. Training conditions you, and fights test you. This process is really the best track to growth.

Another thing you'll notice is that when you fight, you're the closest to death that your fight-or-flight response will ever be. It really brings a weird existential peace to me knowing that I can take a hit, and also how to land a hit.

Haters will ask "so you like getting your ass beat?"

I might say yes.

[–]1Obediah_Stane13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a good scene about power. Your post reminded me of it.

[–]Feelinggood70228 points29 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Consider this as a long-term investment: don’t be afraid to fuck up, again, again and again. Wanna know how you can attain the most power? Give all your power away. You wouldn’t understand the context of what you’re giving away unless you throw it away to other people first. Then will you realize power dynamics as you see it, slowly but surely. You chisel a statue of power.

EDIT: This is more if you understand yourself at a deep enough level that you’re flexible enough to do this. Do not do this if you’re still realizing your potential. Pretend as if you have lost every single game you have ever played in terms of social dynamics. Slowly you will realize that you are the prize and that everyone is trying to game you to win you over. This is a near-delusional frame if not delusional that you can use to your advantage to get what you subconsciously want.

[–]shrimpeye 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Please explain this in layman’s terms, i’m trying to decipher it but coming up short. “Throw away your power” What does that mean practically? “Pretend you have lost every single game you have ever played in terms of social dynamics.” Honestly stumped by this.

I have noticed that there are a few people in my life who are basically magnetic to others socially, without them trying or even being particularly interesting in the first place. I feel like their powers are related to this particular theory in this post

[–]Chaddeus_Rex6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

“Throw away your power”

In Ancient times, some men were known to give away their wealth (literally), renounce their immense power, surrender their harems and retire their gilded wardrobe to live in a sackcloth and live in the dirt with the beggars or pilgrims or yogi. Why? Because they realized they were addicted to these worldly things. They realized that if these things were taken away from them, they would be crushed. It was an exercise meant to strengthen the mind. Some men eventually came back and again made a name for themselves, others found they enjoyed the simple life.

How does it apply to the modern world? If you are popular or have many women or friends, etc ghost them and live without friends for a year. You will struggle. You will strengthen your mind. You will come back great than what you were.

Do not confuse it with monk mode. Do not do this if you do not yet have success.

[–]throne_deserter2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sensei, I am feeling wisdom exuding out of this post but I too like others can't seem to understand what 'giving the power away' means.

[–]Dabunghole1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don’t think that frame is delusional at all. It only comes once you’ve built value rmv though.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This sums up the law of least effort pretty well.

[–]The_Red_Choice6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

My teacher did this too but called it the Kings game. It was quite interesting, and at first I thought it was about stage presence. Being outgoing and demanding attention. But I was wrong. We had similar outcomes with those trying to win falling into the others frame and thus appearing as the follower, not the king.

[–]halfback9100 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

What were the different tactics people would employ?

Did anyone try ignoring them and addressing the audience? Was it a rule that you couldn't speak? Because if you could speak I would just argue in favor of a relatively popular and logically correct point, claim that the other person on the stage disagrees with me, and that I'd like to take this opportunity to explain why they're wrong.

If they don't respond, silence implies consent. If they do respond, they're following my lead and either submitting by agreeing or giving me an advantageous position by disagreeing. And if they respond and don't do one of those things, I say that they're trying to shift focus from this important issue.

[–]The_Red_Choice1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah you still couldn’t talk it’s the same game essentially

[–]halfback9101 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There goes my plan. Not sure what I would do, then. Anything I could do would feel corny and try-hardy. I am not an actor, it sounds like it definitely plays more to their strengths.

[–]vujnovich20 points21 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Austin did that on an American college campus? I'm shocked he isn't being charged with sexual harassment. Probably because he's got relatively low BF% huh. Funny how that works.

[–]3LiveAFTSOV18 points19 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I gave an anti-feminism speech in highschool, AND in university - both american.

nothing happeend - still have friends and date people.

I think I was 22% body fat in highschool lol

[–]Chaddeus_Rex0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You're pretty skinny now as I understand. I believe I've seen you irl.

[–]3LiveAFTSOV0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't catch your drift. But yeah as a youngster I was fat, doing better now.

[–]Theguygotgame777[S] 20 points21 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Well, it's actually a Highschool, and we're in Texas, one of the last vestiges against the feminist horde.

[–]Atheist_Utopia8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The last stronghold against feminism ahaha

[–]AnonymousUser1630 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think I got second hand cringe from this comment

[–]-saltymangos-1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

i mean i would imagine they wouldn’t mind. it’s not high school. it’s an acting course in college about power. the professor and girls dismissed it as “part of the act”.

[–]ReadyPlayer152 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

One highschooler to another, this is a great read

[–]mmishu2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

So whats the key to displaying power over other men bigger than you in size? What about women who on the off chance happen to be taller than you?

[–]MardGeer7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think it's not giving a fuck. Not that I can give you any real examples but a big guy doesn't care that you're in the room, why should you care if he is?

[–]Peter_B_Long1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Observe, but don't react. Great post OP.

[–]kendallb1831 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The power of he who cares the least has the most power

[–]oooKenshiooo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Taking some improv or acting classes can improve your game by miles. Also, the chicks there are usually DTF as hell.

[–]PM_ME_UR_NIPS_GURL1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for this write up. Really important information.

[–]themangu61 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

What if i dont have a natural size advantage.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

this gets overlooked a lot and people here dont want to admit that height determines strategy. Being "stoic" and "calm" only really works if you're perceived as already at the top of the game. Whether thats being rich, a celebrity, an important leader, or just a big guy with muscles. It's to these people's disadvantage to lash out most of the time (I say most cause you can take eminem's diss tracks as an example of someone who's been rich and famous and still wins through being petty).

For short guys, if money and fame isnt in our favor then status, social circle, and being chatty should be. A short guy trying to out stoic the bigger guys is dumb. Instead he should win by humiliating the bigger guy verbally or by having more friends in the room.

from personal experience, i was a big partier in my 20's and most of the bars I frequented typically had a lotta people who knew me. If a bigger stranger saw me get mad love from the bartenders, waiters, and friends there, there'd absolutely no reason he should ever mess with me.

if you dont have the status, then being chatty is how you subvert "stocism". You can be unreactive all you want but someone who's cocky and keeps dropping backhanded compliments and passive aggressive jokes will eventually win.

[–]JohnnySixguns0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Aka “Ridicule” the ultimate equalizer.

People just need to understand the art involved.

[–]1scissor_me_timbers000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

As a short guy, social proof is huge

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Conor mcgregor shit talking any other ufc fighter is another great example of the power game. Both frames are impenetrable.

Actually, the only time mcgregor lost the power game was vs floyd mayweather. Its painful watching as floyd does whatever he wants, in his own frame, and mcgregor bouncing around him, clearly in floyds frame as well. It would have been far more entertaining if they both held their own seperate frames til the very end.

[–]awkward_3rd_ball0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm just seeing your comment after watching his face off with Khabib yesterday. I feel like khabib absolutely applied the concepts described in this post,and made Connor look like a fool by keeping frame the entire time. Can you tell me what you think about it once you watch the video?

[–]brokegirl110 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Quan, Austin, Wyatt, Desiree.. where the fuck do you live and what fucking year is it?

[–]Theguygotgame777[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Quan is actually his last name. He goes by it because Ryan is such a generic name.

I live in Texas.

[–]brokegirl112 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I can't even imagine a world where these names are real. It's like some weird John Wayne film mixed with some ghetto you see in American movies.

[–]marcusmccambridge0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I feel like i do this naturally, however i just go unnoticed instead of standing out as powerful. I don't think i ever "follow the leader" as such and try to make things my way but i just come across as either unnoticed or an asshole. Any tips?

[–]Theguygotgame777[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Do fun shit. If you're the guy always kayaking or other big events, people will want to come along. Always have a purpose. And don't listen to anyone who dissuades you.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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