The Rational Male – That was then

redpillbanana · 2015-07-20T18:42:26+00:00

Imagine if a hiring manager said something like this to you: "You look like such a great employee, but we're not ready to hire yet. How about this: if you are still unemployed in 10 years, and we're ready to hire, then we'll bring you on board."

In any other context, this sort of deal would sound completely ridiculous. It goes to show how sexually desperate a beta can be when he is young.

RPangerandacceptance · 2015-07-20T18:08:24+00:00

I pulled this on a woman. I am 41 and so is she. I told her we could get married at 50, but I still have 9 more years of xbox and hookers. Her response was to try to negotiate the timeframe down to 5 years. No mention was made as to how I spend the interim. The desperation of women 10 years post wall is incredible.

Rollo-Tomassi · 2015-07-20T20:49:19+00:00

Conversation I overheard from two of my pour girls:

“Would you sleep with a guy on the first date or the same night you met?”

“Not if I thought he was relationship material.”

Trust me, they plan ahead.

BowlOfCandy · 2015-07-20T17:18:00+00:00

This is the most valuable piece in that post that resonates with me (from Dream Killers):

I tend to promote the idea that Men should be sexually and emotionally non-exclusive until age 30, but this is a minimal suggestion. I think 35 may even serve better for Men. The importance being that as a Man ages and matures in his career, his ambitions and passions, his personality, his ability to better judge character, his overall understanding of behavior and motivations, etc. he becomes more valuable to the most desirable women and therefore enjoys better opportunity in this respect. Women’s sexual value decreases as they age and it’s at this point the balance tips into the maturing Man’s favor. It’s the Men who realize this early and understand that bettering themselves in the now will pay off better in the future while still enjoying (and learning from) the opportunities that come from being non-exclusive and non-commital make him a Man that women will compete for in the long term.

Not even considering marriage until after 35, I just keep priming as I age.

Heyimtitel · 2015-07-20T18:19:23+00:00

I heard the exact same words once. Plus "you are the kind of guy I'd marry". After this she fucked one of my Alpha friends and even got in a public threesome with him and another guy. I was the one proposing a LTR before we even fucked. Oh the cringe...

The best field reports you can have are in your beta days. I always think about the past and notice RP truths.

evilassaultweapon · 2015-07-20T18:20:26+00:00

Had the same happen quite a few times. Over time I learned every girl has a queue of "backups" in their friendzone.

Stumbled into one of them recently, "our deal" was if we're both 40 etc. I'm 27 now, never looked better in my life. She's 27 now, just another premature sacrifice to The Wall.

Stythe · 2015-07-20T17:42:44+00:00

I always used to wonder why my female friends were never interested in me. Well, aside from the fact that I screwed up my opportunities with betaism. Now that I see reality for what it is, I can finally understand what's happening, I realize why so many of them have kept me around. I also see what's happening as I change as a person. It seems some are willing to hop on for a ride and some are trying to keep me in the same position I have been for most of my life.

Unfortunately for them, even with my outdated beta mindset, I always innately understood that if you weren't interested then, you don't get me now. It is what it is.

rporion · 2015-07-20T19:20:28+00:00

Just wanted to pile on, the same thing happened to me. Twice.

I think it is important to do "me too" posts on topics like this, even though I would consider it shitposting in other areas, because I spent my 20s wondering "Is it me? Is it me? What do I not "get", wtf is wrong with me?".

The internet is an incredible gift.

MattyAnon · 2015-07-20T20:36:03+00:00

What bugs me even more than this, is that women pull this shit on their own children. From birth most men are taught to be BB rather than AF by their mothers. To do anything else is to "need to grow up".

"You'll have your time, male child" and "Just be nice and wait for the women to grow up, then you'll have your pick". My mother still tells me this shit and I'm in my 40's. (She also believes that gender is a social construct, and that women and men who sleep around are equally broken.)

It's not always as well thought out as Rollo implies... the feminist imperative means women just follow the script and copy the lines. They feel the benefit of it and keep the disney indoctrination coming to the poor male saps who don't get it.

TheJessee · 2015-07-20T19:55:03+00:00

Ah I've had this happen to me, a good friend of mine dropped this on me that if she hadn't found anyone by the age of 30 we should get married because we "are such a good match"

This is the most obvious signal anyone can give you to say you're simply inadequate and she has to try a couple dozen other guys and on the off chance she doesn't find her right beta you can have a shot, this was all before i started improving myself big time and i was still a little bitch, i didn't really disagree nor agree to it at first but she mentioned it again a few times the coming months when i was improving and realized what it really meant when she said that at which point i pretty much told her to fuck off if i would only be good enough for her when she's 30

anonymousapple111 · 2015-07-20T19:11:47+00:00

This motif was in the show HIMYM.Barney was the alpha.Ted was the beta.But they had to make Barney an unfulfilled, lonely man towards the end.You know, because alphas can NEVER have fulfilling lives according to entertainment industry.Ted's daughter who was listening to the story must have thought "God! My dad was clueless.

druganswer · 2015-07-20T23:01:43+00:00

he should come up with a creative way to say "let's be FWB until then"

by her own logic they're going to be fucking at 30 anyway and this shows he's not trying to lock her down at all... i would go into it with no long term intentions (read: definitely not in on her 'deal'). Every time she's "in between boyfriends" or whatever smash with her and in between use her as arm candy at clubs and stuff where having an attractive female friend can be beneficial.

Mouthpiece · 2015-07-20T22:55:25+00:00

Imagine her reaction, the first time she hears the counter proposal:

"No, when I'm 30, I'll be banging 22-year-olds."

darkstout · 2015-07-20T18:51:44+00:00

Women classify men into lovers or providers. It's a story as old as time. And too many men are happy to play the role of provider, clueless of the Alpha Fucks/Beta Bucks sexual strategy, even though it can be seen in our literature and movies and real life relationships every single day. It's not the woman's fault for offering the "provider" role--it's the man's fault for accepting it without question, for being the prey instead of the predator, for being the beta instead of the alpha.

[deleted] · 2015-07-20T18:26:23+00:00

How much more can one extract from your brain Rollo?

exit_sandman · 2015-07-20T19:43:37+00:00

What makes this unfunny is that at 20, young men want to believe the best of women. They want to believe she really thinks he’s so special she wont be able to not marry him and fulfill his Beta programming at 30,…so long as he’s patient.

Maybe I'm an exception, but I wouldn't be so sure of that.

When my oneitis told me after rejecting me with a tear in her eyes that maybe we end up like "in my best friend's wedding", something broke for me. Being informed in minced words "well, if I don't find someone else, you'd be a nice consolation prize" is the last thing you want to hear - and it becomes particularly insulting if a person just informs you that she expects you to wait almost a decade for her.

BitterMedicine · 2015-07-20T21:22:29+00:00

Women plant and water seeds from puberty to the wall. If she's beautiful and charming then she'll have an orchard to pick from. Every so often she'll check in on her crop and just when she's getting rotten, she'll pick the biggest, ripest, juiciest ones. Sure, some of her plants die or shrivel or don't even take root, but it only takes one.

latinoevolution · 2015-07-20T23:15:18+00:00

I heard that before. I was told that I was the perfect man and that virtually all girls would yank my hand if I put it out for them to grab, but she wasn't ready...( in other words all girls would die to have me, but not her, as she was different, so she thought). She wanted to be alone and travel with girlfriends jada jada... "let's stay friends and in touch and in like 5 years we should be more mature and can think of a future together"... she said.

1 week later she was holding hands at the movies with some other chump. Of course she already had him while dating me at the same time.

I was clueless back then, like 8 years ago. Now she's 30 and desperate to marry a man of value. I had the pleasure of turn her down, and say "Thanks but No thanks". I'm 33 and never been better... great shape, great financially, and best of all with a hot 23 year old girl... who worships me and looks up to me.

Maturity, style, frame, been around the block, can't be manipulated anymore, and most importantly UNPLUGGED... <These.

changshuaidiao · 2015-07-20T21:52:40+00:00

I've got this same deal with multiple females right now. I'm also selling Christians Rapture insurance.

TheButtiestMan · 2015-07-21T00:41:47+00:00

One of the best things that ever happened to me in my life was when my ONEitis girl slipped up and gave it to me straight. She could have potentially had me tied up until the very day I swallowed the red pill. Instead, in a weak moment, she compared me to the guys she was fucking. She put me in perfect context. She clearly stated nothing about the way I treated her made her want to fuck me. I was sleeping with plenty of girls and she knew that but she was on my pedestal and she knew that too. She explained how I treated the sluts I was banging was really what women want; whether they are conscious of it or not. It was jaw dropping, mind blowing, and liberating. She went on to tell me that there was nothing I could do to change how she viewed me...at this time. At this time, she wants to have fun. At this time, she wants to fuck around and be reckless. I was not that guy for her...at this time. So, she gave me an offer...one day she won't be reckless, she won't want to fuck around, one day, she will want to SETTLE down and she would love if that would be with me. Well, I noped the fuck out of there. I haven't caught ONEitis since and she sure as shit fell off her pedestal. Actually, it crumbled. That was 6 years ago. I saw little Miss ONEitis out with her friends this past weekend...guess who got laid. Her bestfriend. BOOM! Revenge fuck. Damn, that felt good.

rpscrote · 2015-07-20T20:49:33+00:00

What makes it unfunny is he actually considers it as a viable option for his life.

I can't even imagine the level of self-loathing and utter lack of self-respect thinking these thoughts takes

trphardmode · 2015-07-20T23:54:29+00:00

I remember in high school one of my really close female friends said something like "oh we'll probably be married at 30" in passing to me. I was pretty much dumbstruck at why she would have even mentioned an intimate relation between us (I knew I was solidly friendzoned, she was a 7-8 and I was a 3 at best) - and I just remembering being confused at why hearing that made me so disgusted. I ended up just drifting away from her after that, my instincts were telling me what my mind was blind to.

FreeRadical5 · 2015-07-20T18:42:50+00:00

Quality post. I got that exact same deal offered to me by my first LTR at 21.

jimjackjoe · 2015-07-21T01:48:09+00:00

"I wish I had met you when I was older." I've heard that one before.

Garconanokin · 2015-07-20T16:49:14+00:00

Ha! I never thought of that "deal" in this way. Some women are more aware than others that the wall approaches I guess. . .

1independentmale · 2015-07-21T04:39:49+00:00

LMAO. I remember my first girlfriend said something like this to me when I was still in the friend zone/beta orbiter bullpen. Then she wound up chasing me after she found out I fucked 2 other girls in the same week I fucked her.

Chicks crave guys who get other women. Albeit it's rude and disrespectful to cheat and treat them like shit, but as long as you have a "I'm a single guy/freebird" attitude they won't be bothered.

I have hooked up with 3 girls (2 of which have LTR boyfriends) over the span of the last 6 months who are all "really great friends" I'm sure they either know it or don't, but they're all still hanging together. One of these girls really wants a committed relationship with me (even though she has a boyfriend) but after pretending not knowing she had one and her finally spilling the beans, I sort of "friend zoned" her with the excuse "I feel like shit being the backdoor man and potentially causing another guy so much emotional pain. I think it's best if we end this".

It's like the Great Gatsby up in this bitch.

[deleted] · 2015-07-20T22:16:15+00:00

I made this deal at 20 as well.

We agreed to be each others back up plan. We actually hooked up randomly last October. I don't expect us to actually use the plan in 5 years.

99_Problem · 2015-07-21T00:35:11+00:00

The Rational Male was recommended to me by a poster on a different forum. I've ordered it, it'll be here on Wednesday.

SkorchZang · 2015-07-21T15:17:23+00:00

Nerdy 17 yr old SkorchZang heard the same exact thing from a slutty Italian named Laura. After she finished recounting in great detail all the amazing oral sex she's getting perched up on the family piano from her "friend" who's 20 yrs older than her, and how she is still a virgin though, because she's saving it for marriage (wow, she's sharing so much personal stuff, I must be quite good psychologically. An excellent listener on the short track to put his dick in that spaghetti), she dropped the epic line:

"You know if we're 30 and still single, let's just get married SZ. Ha ha ha. :-)"

Didn't even have oneitis for the girl, or love her -just thought she might eventually fuck me. Never happened. She would fuck my time and attention, while enjoying herself in GirlWorld where she's got it all figured out & made.

NiceTryDisaster · 2015-07-21T07:22:16+00:00

Another great post for today. Thank you

Merwebb · 2015-07-22T13:47:29+00:00

Same situation in 2 somewhat different instances:

Exgirlfriend: i am breaking with you because im a young professional and i need to live this moment im in, but maybe later down the road we will meet again. (We were going to live together abroad, this happened exactly 6 months before)

Friend round 1 at 24y/o: dude if we are single by 30 we are going to get together!!

Friend round 2 at 30y/o: no no no lets wait to 40!!!!!

Once i started seeing this crap for what it is i have less cumbersome people around me.

Gat0rBat04 · 2015-07-21T01:22:22+00:00

This is so fucking true. I was at my plate's house the other day and some of her other plate friends were there. She said to me (not even kidding here), in front of all her friends, "Yeah, Stan and I used to date, but now I just keep him around for when I can't get a boyfriend", and chuckled. I looked straight at that bitch and calmly told her that she had just crossed the fucking line of respect, and she had better find a beta fuck friend on Tinder now, because I wouldn't be sticking around. Her friends started clapping as I walked out the door and I ended up fucking two of them in the ass later that night.

Edit: Why am I getting downvoted for this? Blue pill betas just can't stand how alpha I am?

cosmicartery · 2015-07-20T23:34:31+00:00

This is great and all, but who the fuck is ready to settle down at 20 and start a successful family? Wtf do you expect from a 20 year old? Even a 25 year old? As if guys have their shit together and have life figured out before their late 20s, at the earliest. What the fuck do you want out of these young girls??! I'm sorry but this is a shit post

Title	The Rational Male – That was then
Author	Rollo-Tomassi
Upvotes	279
Comments	158
Date	July 20, 2015 4:46 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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