The Spin Cycle

March 7, 2016

The Spin Cycle is a shit test unique to plates because you have no chance to squash it immediately in person. Instead of dropping perfectly good plates, identify what is happening and let their hamster spin itself out.

I am not a great texter. In fact, I hate it altogether. I hate it because you cannot create tingles through texting, you can only destroy them.

That said, I have become pretty proficient at it as texting is vital to bitch management. I like to keep three plates spinning at any given time. Mostly because between work, lifting and plate drama I just don’t want or need to stretch my attention that thin. Therefore, when it comes to plates, I have come to understand the concept of the spin cycle.

If you have been reading here for a while, you will understand that in any LTR (spinning a plate for an extended period of time counts as a Long Term Relationship to me) the woman will often shit test you to ensure that you are still the capable leader worthy of her submission. In person, these shit tests are both adorable attempts at dominance and easy to squash. However, I don’t see my plates all that much, so I get my shit tests over text message.

The Spin Cycle

The female hamster is as crazy as it is unpredictable and can start spinning at any time for any reason. Maybe a bunch of her friends are starting to get engaged or married, maybe she just hung out with a SJW, perhaps she just wants to trap your commitment. It can last a couple of hours, or it can last a few days. At any rate, when you have plates that you want to keep at arm’s length the only way for them to test you is over text messaging. What is vital to know is that while this is happening there is nothing you can do to stop it, the best course of action is to feed it just enough attention to keep its interest and wait until it runs itself out of gas.

At the end of the day the reason for the test is irrelevant, the vital takeaway is that you need to reestablish your value, scarcity and dominance; but you need to do it subtly. The faster you reply and the more you attempt to communicate with her (a BP/White Knight favorite) the less attraction she feels. For a plate to want to remain a plate she needs to remember that the only way she will receive your attention is when she gives you what you want from her.

Here is an example with one of my plates, SouthernGirl. A little background on SG, I have been seeing her for just under a year and over that time I have come to understand that she can get very wound up very easily. So do I deal with some shit? Of course, but it’s nothing I can’t handle, and very clearly explains this concept:


SG -11:12- Thank you for your help with my curtains ^ _^ & willingly volunteering without me having to cuss you out or anything I had helped her hang some curtains in her new apartment because I like her and I enjoy home improvement.

TT -11:17- Yup. All that’s left is my payment Hinting at sex… duh

SG -11:19- ?? Uhh, ok…

SG -11:22- I think I need a more regular sex partner. Or at least easier to schedule with. You drive me crazy bc you won’t say when or what day. Oh, I get what this is, I helped you with your curtains and now you think you can turn this into a power play. Let the spin cycle begin.

SG -11:44- I also don’t know what ur getting at with me. I’ve made it fairly clear that I like you & I think you just kinda fuck with me. It’s not good for me. I’m high strung enough without xtra stressors. I do kind of fuck with her, but she loves it when she’s in the mood.

SG -11:49- And I rlly did get rlly sick and all u said was “gross” so whatever. If u don’t give 2 shits ab me, just don’t lead me on and ill get the hell over it and find someone just as sexy who will actually be nice to me. I don’t want to deal with this; I’ll talk to you tomorrow


TT -6:41- So you’re not free tonight? This is a dismissal of everything she said last night. She has no power over me and I won’t be broken up if she wants to leave.

SG -9:14- No

SG -9:17- Think I was pretty straightforward

SG -9:18- Seems like you are a little young for me I’m older than you…

SG -9:51- Aka CHILD Love this “insult”

TT -9:51- K The letter K is the perfect dismissal of any kind of insult over text message. Like I said, you can only lose tingles over text message so this is the safest reply without being baited into any other kind of assault.

SG -9:52- How do u not get a kick out of that insult

SG -9:53- heh heh

SG -10:00- I am being serious ab the other stuff tho. I like you but I think I am getting too old for this crap. & you don’t acknowledge what I’m saying which kind of perpetuates the sentiment. Which if I had my way you’d just quit being a dick and I could get laid.

TT -10:01- we talk when im over Ok, I actually like her, not enough to promote, but I do. So I tried to extend an olive branch.

SG -10:03- are you saying that you want to talk to me about this in person? Girl doesn’t really give me a chance to respond.

SG -10:20- what I thought

SG -10:23- I think ur using me for sex. Im not a free prostitute. I’m not even slutty, rlly. It won’t work. Gnite.

SG -10:33- Also I don’t mean that as an accusation that is rlly what I think & whi I don’t think I should see u anymore. I can’t keep putting myself in that situation it takes too much out of me. & if you have nothing to say to that ill assume it’s true. Gnite for real this time. Fuck this, I’ll wait another day


SG -8:03- I can’t decide if I’m being paranoid & ur not helping The hamster is starting to slow down, SouthernGirls rational brain is starting to realize what happened. Time to respond.

TT -8:34- I think you’re being a little paranoid

TT -8:34- Aren’t you on or near your period?

SG -8:45- Nope it came and went. Quit dodging the question.

SG -9:37- I get a lil cray toward the end of winter but as a female I reserve that right @ all times. Either way I refuse to sleep with you as long as u refuse to answer This is a last ditch effort to win the “argument”. However, I can sense the end of it because of her admission of craziness so she can get a response.

TT -11:07- Nobody ever gets the right to be crazy

TT -11:07- And what was the question PRO TIP – Always say less than necessary, this second message was too much. It didn’t end up hurting me that much but it very easily could have

SG -11:57- I refuse to cooperate with someone so uncooperative

SG -12:01- honestly you were being an uncooperative pain in the ass so I started being one too. The question was whether you were using me for sex, which I don’t really give a shit at this point. I’m just tired of you not answering simple fucking questions. You know you do it too Fuck, I think I blew it. Time to start looking for a new plate…

SG -4:08- You still think I’m being crazy don’t you Never mind

SG -4:09- You can come over tonight if you want I’m over it Giggity

SG -4:09- If ppl would just bend to my will…

SG -4:45- I think the longer I go without having sex the crazier I get and then its rlly counterproductive The spin cycle has finished, she’s mine again

TT -5:24- Tomorrow night then


When I first started spinning plates, I would blow this kind of shit off and dump perfectly good plates because I thought that explosion was the end of it. What I should’ve realized is that she wasn’t looking to dump me or intentionally piss me off. She has no control over her hamster and it’s not her fault for wanting more. What she wanted was for me to confirm my place in her world.

So do I take the occasional shit test? You know it. I also understand that it’s easier for me to deal with the occasional shit test that it would be for me to replace a long term plate, especially a hot one that I’ve been with for nearly a year. If you remain strong she won’t need anything more.

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Title The Spin Cycle
Author The_Titleist
Upvotes 197
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Date March 7, 2016 5:46 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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[–]trumpisafaggybeta49 points50 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

It always makes me laugh that some poor beta is gonna put a ring on this slut one day.

[–]marty2k11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

But she's not a slut. She said so!

[–]darkrood9 points10 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

How dare you, She is a free-spirit who's finding herself through Jeff, Thomas, Jack, Leo, THomas Again, those guys during her spring break.....

She is not a slut, she is just exploring herself sexually, and cheat once or twice because the other guys play her. Okey!!!

Yea, now she remembers it, there's also this time during a road trip with two of her male best friends.....

[–]trumpisafaggybeta2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Woah man! The past is the past!! If you can't take her at her worst, you can't have her at her best!!!

[–]Endorsed ContributorThe_Titleist[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol, I personally love it when disgusting hambeasts say that quote. The thing is, Marilyn Monroe was never weighed more than 130. That's not fat on a woman of 5'5"

[–]trumpisafaggybeta0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's usually the hot ones who say it, in my experience, but like we say around here-- you're usually dealing with a child-mentality when speaking with most women, so you might as well game it instead of ridicule it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

LMAO, I almost snorted out my cereal brah

[–]Rasalom72[🍰] 58 points59 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

But what about fabric softener? When do you add that? What kind of spin cycle is this? You're clothes are going to feel so rough and uncared for!

[–]Endorsed ContributorThe_Titleist[S] 15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't like fabric softener. Just never been my way

[–]Rasalom72[🍰] 23 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And it wouldn't make much difference when your clothing is all burlap and bear skin.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon27 points28 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Yeah... red flags galore. USE PROTECTION. You know what's coming with this girl...

The curtains thing... I think she saw this favour as the start of provider behaviour and she acted accordingly to get more of it.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThe_Titleist[S] 15 points16 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You're not wrong. This is why she never was and never will be, more than a plate

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This behavior is the AWALTiest thing a woman does. Establish a beachhead and press on for more, more, more, always more. So your just spinning for life then?

[–]Endorsed ContributorThe_Titleist[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Spinning for about 10 months. I see no reason to drop her

[–]antariusz1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're just seeing the way that she would ALWAYS treat you if you were always a beta in her mind ie: continued to commit to her and doing favors for her.

By passing the shit test, you made it through her bitchy menstration and now that she's in her fertile window again (a few days after her period ends), she wants to fuck to lock down your genetics in a baby.

[–]BlackJ153 points54 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

My god you have to give texting lessons. Pre-TRP would of immediately answered the shit test and deny it.

Good work The_Titleist.

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Rule one of texting: Silence is always an option, and sometimes the best option.

If you can't think of something you are 100% certain you want to say, then just say nothing until you have something.

[–]rashnull14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"would of"!? ...You need more than just texting lessons there buddy

[–]Endorsed ContributorThe_Titleist[S] 9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Thanks. The thing to know is that texting is not hard, it just doesn't come natural to me. That is why I usually call people now.

[–]awe_some_x18 points19 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is absolutely the reason I turn on read receipts on my iPhone. I deliberately read their message (and they know that), yet still get nothing back from me. Just another source of food for that poor hamster. "He saw it, why hasn't he replied yet?!"

[–]Senior ContributorMentORPHEUS18 points19 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

When I first started spinning plates, I would blow this kind of shit off and dump perfectly good plates because I thought that explosion was the end of it.

Excellent lesson! I used to make the same wrong move, but also learned the power of ignoring insane hamster talk and let it spin down on its own.

For one tempramental plate, it reduced the cycle time of provoke argument -> argue -> break up -> long wait -> she starts texting again -> she apologizes -> make-up sex, from months to days or hours.

Personally, I prefer the keeping to the getting, and despite the appeal of "new pussy," the opportunity cost for me generally makes it more economical to repair broken plates than to spin up new ones.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThe_Titleist[S] 4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I know what you mean. I'm much the same way. Between my job, my side business, posting here and lifting, I just don't want/need to spend the effort on finding new plates when the ones I have usually come back.

EDIT: Big fan of your work by the way. Thanks for finding the time to have some input here.

[–]koox00181 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Do u have any posted of M's or your other post you would suggest for a noob that took the pill recently?

I have begun digesting the side bar's materials in strides and am looking forward to going further down the Rabbit hole.

Thx for the great post. It was educational and fun read. The addition of the timings was great as it really gives addition context of their silly spin cycle that ebbs and flows throughout the day like fucking leaves blowing in the wind.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThe_Titleist[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'd stick with the sidebar until you've read that shit two and three times over. Then transition to top all time posts

[–]verify_account8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Fantastic post. Laying out the text and the commentary is very helpful. I'm impressed on how you dealt with that.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThe_Titleist[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks! My aim for any of my posts is for men to develop an eye for these situations and create positive feedback loops

[–]1IamGale3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Handled like a pro, thanks for your text insights. Also, I checked out your websites and you've got some great stuff there. Design could be a little better, but keep it up.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThe_Titleist[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, that website is a work in progress... But thanks!

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I really like this "spin cycle" concept, but it took me until about halfway through to realize what the hell you were getting at.

I'd suggest you give a better summary. It's pretty straightforward. A spin cycle is letting the hamster do it's thing while not communicating with them.

Kudos for the good post though. Silence is the right response to a lot of texts.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThe_Titleist[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I see what you're getting at. Updated

[–]poochman8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I've had good success defusing situations like this with one simple line (usually in person)

"I enjoy spending time with you, even when we aren't having sex."

It's simple, honest, and doesn't commit you to anything more than what you're already doing (unless she's strictly only a booty call). It's really a response to a comfort test, not a shit test. All the waiting to reply nonsense you had to use may have been prevented with that. Having said that, great example of less is more text game though. Getting a 5 to 1 ratio on your texts is usually never a bad sign.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThe_Titleist[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're absolutely right and this technique works perfectly in person. The situation I described is unique to plates that I rarely see.

[–]Zealous_One2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Like the sound of that, but I think girls would immediately shift to doing only that thing I just said I enjoyed doing with them, and shut down all sex. Did you experience something like that, aside from defusing such situations ?

[–]poochman4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Nope never experienced anything like that. In fact, sex usually results immediately after I utter that phrase. I'm guessing it's because their hamster has now rationalised I'm not using them for sex, therefore its fine to have sex with me again.

[–]antariusz2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Unique calibration that works specifically for you, because you're probably 90% alpha already, so letting see that 10% alpha side makes them think they can get commitment from you and keeps them on the hook. No woman wants to be "told" that she has no chance of locking you down. Let the hampster spin.

[–]Luckyluke234 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

man, what i love about this, she sent you like, 50 texts to your 5.

with your post, I have just understood the concept of "rewarding her for her good behavior"

she was being a total brat and you didn't give into it.

please please please please please write a text game guide. ( MY GAME SUCKS MORE ASS THAN THE COWBOYS under romo. )

[–]RedPistola1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I’ve made it fairly clear that I like you & I think you just kinda fuck with me. It’s not good for me. I’m high strung enough without xtra stressors. I do kind of fuck with her, but she loves it when she’s in the mood.

Could you explain how you fuck with her?

[–]War2kali2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

She thinks he's fucking with her because he doesn't give in and respond the way she thinks he should respond. He's not immediately responding and apologizing and bending over backwards to make her feel better, so he must be just fucking with her. That's her logic.

[–]empty_basket2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Truth. "I have my boundaries and own obligations, and don't have time to text you back the second your hamster is spinning." Totally his fault, right?! Bahaha.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

You're a patient man.

I never was.

You're right I would absolutely get sick and tired of that days long cat and mouse text game.

JFC you hung curtains for her... WTF more does she want? Problem is you framed it as "payment" and that sent her head into a 4 day hamster spin. That represents you having control of the situation (not to mention thinking of her as a whore). I'll wager she sees it very much in the opposite.

If I would have gone over to a woman's house and did a bunch of handy-man type work - especially one I had a history of fucking - I would have showered at her place and fucked the shit out of her before leaving. If not I would have condsidered NEXTing out of principle.

Here you just came over to help her do some very domesticated nesting shit and she sent you on your way afterwards without so much as a handy? I would have been like alright, I see how you are shrugged and left.

She called you a fucking CHILD don't forget.

Let me give you a nickel's worth of free advice here. A woman like this doesn't want commitment from you. That's just the game she's playing to keep you thinking she's heavy into you (and not fucking other dudes) and therefore YOU stay interested and keep up this little chase game. Hate to break it to you, but she's fucking other dudes and keeping you around as a younger man for the same reason all cougars keep young men around. Its for their ego so they can keep believing that they've held off the wall.

Here you think you're laying some slick rap on her - let me tell you something any bitch that calls you a CHILD thinks of you that way. There's no respect there. You're a toy she likes fucking. That's totally cool and all - because on a regular basis you're balls deep in a hot bitch you like fucking - but you're a cock on the carousel to her. See it for what it is.

My estimation? You fended off her attempt to rile you into dumping her by ignoring her insult. Every cougar situation the same shit always applies - they love fucking the young guy - but will dump his ass in a heartbeat if a man their own age with cash and game comes along and offers commitment. Maybe she has some dude on the line, maybe didn't pan out - maybe its ongoing - maybe she was having an existential crisis - whatever. Bottom line Friday came along - she had no plans and decided to get fucked by her boy toy.

Don't put effort into this. This chick isn't worthy of you liking her. Women like this are calculating and deceitful and know exactly what they are doing.

Want to have a little fun? Transition to another plate. Blow southerncougar off. When she complains - leverage it into truth telling time. Once she admits the cougar game she's running - tell her no problem - you're DTF whenever - just drop the pretense. After that, you'll get one or two anamalistic "Yeah this is just naked lust" fucks and then it will end. Once she's lost the feeling of control over the situation your association won't continue much longer.

[–]empty_basket0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy Link

He's older than her. He stated that explicitly.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy Link

SG -9:18- Seems like you are a little young for me I’m older than you…

I interpreted this as him translating her inside voice.

If I'm wrong then it does invalidate my analysis.

[–]empty_basket0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh, is that what he's doing? Der. Makes a little more sense now, I guess. This is a lot of effort, after all, bordering on oneitis.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThe_Titleist[S] 0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

The Bolded Italics are my inner voice. I am older than her. And she will never be anything more than a plate.

If she thinks that way, let her, I don't care. I am still getting what I want out of our relationship. Nothing more, nothing less.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I was under the impression you were banging some sexy cougar brat - which is a totally a different animal.

But yeah she sounds like a shithead anyway.

I probably would told her to get fucked a while back.

If a chick would have called me a child I would have dissected her existence like Hannibal Lecter - viciously pulling out her deep inner most insecurity bare as punishment for her insolence.

LOL probably why I never spun chicks for more than short periods of time. A year? Shit. You have the patience of job.

[–]SteeleLion 2 points2 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Bro chicks are deliberately vindictive whenever they get angry.

If I was to cut ties with any chick that was deliberately trying to be hurtful I wouldn't talk to my Mother, my Sisters, I would never have had any LTR's, and the dozens of times its happened in the courting phases would have had me storming out of bars butthurt.

Its the scorpian and the frog story. She will always be sorry she said it but it's in her nature.

It shouldn't rile you to be called a child, you know you aren't one, you're the furthest from it as an enlightened man and I'm sure if you consider you'll realise it wouldn't really effect you beyond making you laugh.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

OR... Chicks that are just plates aren't worth extended time or effort. If you have an abundance mindset then you know there are 5 in line waiting to take her place. NEXT.

I'm sorry, but I don't take shit from any silly hamster wheel spinning bitch just to get a piece of ass. I can go out right now and find some random woman to suck my dick - I don't need to deal with bullshit. If a woman wants my time - and especially if she wants my resources she needs to respect me. If she doesn't - NEXT.

No piece of ass is worth dealing with insults and head games. Any woman that wants to be a part of my life knows that's not tolerated. Accepting insults from some cunt isn't being enlightened.... It's being a doormat. Conversely, cutting off and thwarting shit like that via swift, strict and consistent consequence is dominance.

I too have been in bars where women have spewed "courting phrases" to test my meddle - my usual response has always been Get fucked with a look of slight disgust. When they knowingly say some insulting shit and you cut them to the quick (sometimes all it takes is a look) - that lets them know you have self esteem and they can't walk on you - That's the shit test. I've long said now that shit tests are an opportunity. The correct response gives them tingles - and let me tell you I have had no trouble getting pussy in my life. I know what I'm talking about.

If you want to play the silent treatment with a woman - yeah that's one way. It's not my preferred method, but I can see dude just saying 'k' and going radio silent. If she never texts you back - hey problem solved. If she does, then you know she's crawling. Things are are more likely to be on your terms now. As you get more experienced in the game, it's not about getting them into bed that is the hard part - that's the easy part. The hard part is getting them cleanly out of your life after you've hit it a few times and are done with it.

Me personally, usually when I got a decent POA I was probably hot to fuck them solidly three or four times, but after that I didn't really want it all that much. There's an old saying my friends and I used to say jokingly (but also serious):

Question: What's better than pussy..?

Answer: New pussy.

After I hit the pussy good and square a few times - then the game with them got old. Their whiny drama-filled problems start to become more noticeable. Their flaws become much more pronounced. Each additional time I saw them and fucked them it seemed less and less worth the effort. True outcome independence means you DGAF because you know pussy isn't something you have to safeguard - it's something that is freely available. Also new pussy is better than old pussy.

I'm a married man now, and yes over the years some dumb shit has been uttered by my wife. I'm not a cruel man, but I have said some cruel things when the occasion necessitated it. I am not to be fucked with. Losing one's shit is a shit test failure - but letting a woman know quickly and up front that certain things are off-limits - and then later on down the line re-enforcing that - is a shit test pass. There are ways to do this - and sometimes they require the will to say/do the unpleasant thing. Always after my wife has crossed the line - and thus ended up me having to be a total dick in some regard to let her know Hey I'm not going to take that shit - she's always responded positively and submissively.

Yes it is in a woman's nature to continually test the waters - ESPECIALLY early on - but you must stay resolute. If you let them break you down - they will - and then they'll move on. It's just the way women are. My wife says one of the things that she likes about me is that I stand up to her and put her in her place when she needs it. Think about that. This is a grown woman - a successful executive at that - who likes being treated like a child from time to time (not always though, admittedly). Despite their protestations and declarations, women like men to be dominant at least on some level or else they don't get tingles. Strength in its many forms is a huge turn on for women. If you don't exude it - you'll have problems.

[–]SteeleLion 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

We are kind of saying the same thing, except your tolerance level is lower.

I wouldn't next a 1 year plate who I am (he is) obviously somewhat fond of because she tried to one off bait me. Because I know that shit doesn't phase me. Girls do this shit all the time.

Unless I haven't obtained some high level titan like status where girls don't dare insult me for fear of the wrath of god.

I think of it this way, if your kid has a friend over and this friend is 95% of the time a great well mannered child but has a one off tantrum would I ban the child from my house?

No, I'd chalk it off as a transgression for sure, be aware of it in the future, and move the fuck on. I won't go out and force my kid to go find another friend.

Because that what being a balanced man is. Its like being an adult in a world of children. Sure you can be an ultradisciplinarian. But that's exhausting.

But hey, if you've got the energy for it have at it boss.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Unless I haven't obtained some high level titan like status where girls don't dare insult me for fear of the wrath of god.

LOL you're not Italian are you? My father is the same way. You don't disrespect a man in his own house type of thing. Its not that there is a policing or controlling effort being made - it's just a simple matter of actions and consequences. To me it's not something related to status, but drawing a hard boundary with people and then remaining consistent. Its a matter of self respect - and that needs to be in place before one can get the respect of others.

No, I'd chalk it off as a transgression for sure, be aware of it in the future, and move the fuck on. I won't go out and force my kid to go find another friend.

Depends on the friend. Tolerance point is directly relational to to the connection. Still there's a limit.

I have an insolent, bratty 17 year old daughter with a disrespectful mouth. Her mother and I are divorced and to make a long story short - mom has enlisted her to join the hate tru party. For my own daughter, I have tolerance, patience and the capacity for forgiveness. I don't enable the behavior, but I know she's just a confused kid who doesn't quite yet realize her mother has manipulated her into being her pawn. That's my family, my child and my love for her is just about unconditional.

Now some side piece who I enjoy fucking trying to knock me down a peg? Nah brah. Too replaceable. That's just how I would see it. I would look down at my phone see some ignorant shit in my messages and be like Yeah you're done and just nope the fuck out. Only way I would reconsider was if she was contrite afterwards - but by then there's a good chance the time and resources I had allocated for her is now being devoted to some new side piece. What's better than pussy? New pussy of course.

My own wife, who I love dearly, knows that saying hateful bratty shit in attempt to fuck with my emotions is a fucking deal breaker. That's something no self-respecting adult person should tolerate. If she were to make a bad habit of engaging in those kind of transgressions, she would start to get the hard dread - increasingly. She likes being married - she likes being in a family with me so she knows better. I also have her respect, which is a preemptive condition that minimizes the likelihood of me having to deal with shit like this.

What I'm saying is although it is foolish to think you can control others - controlling your relationships is possible. Once you stop having relationships on your terms then shit is more apt to get sideways on you. Yeah women will say the dumbest shit sometimes when they are throwing their little tantrum - no doubt - but if you don't check them hard with a negative consequence a re-occurrence is more than probable, its practically assured - and with increasing frequency and intensity.

In this day and age, women are conditioned to assume they can treat men like shit and totally get away with it. They are taught selfishness. They are taught solipsism. This is an issue men have to constantly deal with - as evidenced by declining marriage rates, MGTOW movements, etc... With increasing demand for equal female status in society - and the rise of politically correct misandry happening simultaneously it really highlights the need for men to develop these relationship management skills.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Checking a woman hard with negative consequences for shitty behavior is the difference between a red and blue pill relationship.

[–]SteeleLion 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I think you and I are at different stages of our lives. I'll keep your opinions in mind later in life.

[–]bslizzle2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I appreciate the admission of fault in the post. It has little effect on the overall analysis, but it helps when examining the individual parts and provides insight into where others may be going wrong. Admission of fault (in this manner) is rarely seen in posts.

I also like the analysis of long-term plate is essentially an LTR. By definition, it is. But the connotative stigma is so widely held that many wouldn't admit to this. Well done.

[–]machimus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The fact that we use heuristics tuned to the newly unplugged beta leads to the common misconception that certain things are forbidden, rather than advanced techniques.

The result is a base crowd that is half guys who swear texting can only, ever be for logistics and the other half who, if you grudgingly allowed them, would ruin every text with emotional diarrhea. It's kind of a catch 22. I think it might be about time for a RP Advanced sub.

[–]1PantsonFire12340 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What's your theory about tingles and texts? I do believe that distance can create a yearning for more. Wouldn't texting indirectly create tingles? Not through words but through the implication.

[–]2kez880 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I like a few of the underlying concepts, but I can't help but feel like you made things wayy to hard on yourself. Sometimes the right line before the hampster really begins spinning can stop the whole thing before it even gets going and has a lot of momentum. Who can be stuffed dealing with that shit and not getting laid for 3-4 days?

That or this chick is just crazy, I've had a lot of plates and this shit never seems to happen to me

[–]uxeazy0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

TT -11:07- And what was the question PRO TIP – Always say less than necessary, this second message was too much. It didn’t end up hurting me that much but it very easily could have

What would you have said instead now?

[–]Dustin_Bromain0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow, this post is basically a play-by-play version of what happens with my LTR. I used to call it the "feelz wheel" but the spin cycle seems more appropriate. I'm not nearly as composed as you are when berated with the constant shit-testing/comfort-testing, but I'm doing my absolute fucking best to learn. Thank you for this post!!!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Holy fuck what a trainwreck...

You start off monetising sex for labour and then you let her whine for 3 straight days???

[–]TheEnglishman280 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Your post actually made me laugh. It's almost as good as a stand up comedy routine from my favorites. Poor plate never really knew what hit her.

In a post yesterday, I talked about the one thing fresh Former Mr. Nice Guys struggle with is the importance of learning to Ignore. They are so used to being overtly reactive (aka, reacting to every negative or positive happenstance, fit, or tantrum with SOMETHING), rather than mastering the skill of Ignore.

You? You could give lessons in Ignore.

[–]FrameWalker0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

When I first started spinning plates, I would blow this kind of shit off and dump perfectly good plates because I thought that explosion was the end of it. What I should’ve realized is that she wasn’t looking to dump me or intentionally piss me off. She has no control over

Very interesting perspective. You're more patient than I am. I rarely allow it to get to the point of open discourse and overt insults.

[–]ripross0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Where do you find sloots like this? In all my experience trying to game women, I've never talked to one so dumb!

[–]_red_carpet0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow. Good job with this. The spinning just took care of itself.

I was wondering why you decided when you did to start the transition from shit test to comfort test- (I think telling her she's being a bit paranoid is offering a bit of reassurance, though granted not much). What would you have said if she had taken you up on the offer to talk in person?

I just feel like in my personal experience this is usually the moment where it breaks so I'm really impressed at your ability to first respond as a shit test, then throw in some comfort, and then back to shit testing. I like how you kept avoiding questions. This could have easily turned into an "are you seeing anyone else" conversation which may very well have been the end.

[–]thickskinnedwhiteass0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

The use of 'K' is a shit test destroyer and hamster spinner. I've been using this the last week with two different girls over text, and I use it because one I have nothing to say and two I couldn't really be bothered. I think this type of attitude really flows through the text and hits their whammy on their heads because they can't comprehend how such a beauty like them could be at the receiving end of a 'K'. After this the conversation really flows from her end and you just have to maintain the IDGAF which comes from an abundance mentality.

I think that's the essence of text game.

[–]koox00181 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The most powerful letter in the english alphabet, "K".

[–]moresmarterthanyou0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

TT -8:34- Aren’t you on or near your period?

i died. your the man

[–]toneroma-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I hate it because you cannot create tingles through texting, you can only destroy them.

Everything besides this line is pretty solid.

You absolutely can generate tingles via text. You can also destroy ASDs via text, and take the air out of LMRs before you've even met the girl.

It is even possible to get a girl hooked with a non-sexual dating profile, to making out/sex within minutes of meeting her in person for the first time via text. It's not easy, and it doesn't always work, but you most certainly can do it.

[–]FreeRadical55 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Anything is possible if you're willing to lower your standards enough. Likely for a worthy target? No.

[–]toneroma0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's not really the point, though. The point is that asserting that you can't create tingles through texting is a false statement.

[–]koox00180 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

thx for the note u/toneroma

do you have some tips/ references? PM or post a reply would be much appreciated.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Write a post for us on how to do this.

[–]Redjatis0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree. I almost always sext a girl before I meet her. Which leads to me fucking her within 5 minutes of the first meet. I recently made an asktrp post about a current circumstance only to get bitched at for texting for reasons other than logistics. I understand this rule might be better for older dude's But I definitely view my sexting as a tool in the box.

[–]NimbleFaggotronic-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

This seems a little mean... I don't think you established what you expect out of the relationship at the start. The girl clearly has serious feelings for you, and it's crushing her that you aren't reciprocating. You should have either set her straight or gotten rid of her before it got to that point. Now you are only keeping her around for your own sexual gratification (selfish) and she is starting to pick up on that fact (dangerous). The kindest thing to do is break it off with her now and go get yourself another fresh plate from the cupboard. Unless..... well, you're not keeping her around so long because you have feelings for her TOO, are you?.... Hmmmmm...

[–]Endorsed ContributorThe_Titleist[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I don't think you established what you expect out of the relationship at the start.

She knows exactly what she is, she has known for a long time. You don't stay a plate for nearly a year without figuring it out.

Now you are only keeping her around for your own sexual gratification (selfish)

Am I being selfish? Yes, yes I am. I am getting exactly what I want out of our relationship and I don't give a fuck how anyone else feels about it.

Unless..... well, you're not keeping her around so long because you have feelings for her TOO, are you?.... Hmmmmm...

You are right, I really do like her and enjoy her company. Unlike most on here I have no issue with being monogamous, however, she has proven time and time again that she is nothing more than plate material, so nothing will change there.

[–]NimbleFaggotronic0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Well, if she knew she was a plate at the beginning, she wants to change that now. And if you don't want any more than a plate from her, then you two are at odds. You've got a leaking powderkeg on your hands, my friend, best throw it in the ocean before it explodes your ship.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThe_Titleist[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for the kind words but that's happened to me before. Best case scenario is she goes cold on me. Worst case I get yelled at. I can handle both.

[–]NimbleFaggotronic0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I dunno man, there is a lot worse that can happen - false rape accusations, other legal implications, her new bf could show up at your place one night to kick your ass, who knows...

You gotta make sure you have a solid abundance mentality. The point of spinning plates is that you're never too invested in any one of them that you'd be too upset to see her go if you have to. I just think you should really evaluate your situation and ask yourself whether it's worth it. Increasingly frequent shit tests and red flags...

[–]Endorsed ContributorThe_Titleist[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

All I see what you're getting at. Relax a little bit. That shit doesn't really happen as much as this sub likes to think

[–]Appleseed12333-3 points-2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I just have one question. Is she a red head? It reads like one. Anyways that hamster just needs a break lol.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThe_Titleist[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No. She is a true blonde though.

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