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ThotMart & Objectification of Women 101

March 30, 2016

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You aren't a human being to them. In the same way that you are not a human being to the CEO of your company, you are a value-producing asset. An object to be milked and compensated enough that you do not leave.

You are an object to be used. If you do not believe me, look at how women treat guys who are poor minorities. They make videos trashing them for telling her that she's pretty on the NY streets. Look at how women in relationship forums and threads describe their husbands. Look at how women talk about their boyfriends to OTHER women when they think no one is listening. Objects - we are at best a wallet and a dick to them, and at worst a stain, a piece of trash clogging up the pretty picture in front of them.

Even if you believe you're her "captain" and her "soulmate" - see how captainly she treats you if your money dries up or you get injured or sick. See what happens if there's a more "captainly" man at the office who's 6'3'', ripped, rich, and flirting with her on a daily basis. Watch how quick that ho breaks down. *All these RPWs circlejerking over at RPW about how they treat their man like a captain and help him and contribute 50% to the relationship... watch how fast these women will upgrade if a better man came along. I respect them for being able to harbor RP ideologies in their head without their mind exploding to cognitive dissonance, but trust me these women are no different. There are no unicorns.

You are an object. Embrace your objectness. It's OK, everyone treats everyone like objects, this is the way of the world. You need to objectify her, or you are fighting from the "low ground".

S/O to Feminism

Feminists really have nailed it. Their tizzy over the word "objectification" is really telling. They define objectification and looking at a woman and subtracting her internal personality from your gaze. You see her for what she is, rather than how she wants to be seen. If she's slutting around on magazines for cash like a racy model, you see her as a hot piece of size 0 ass that you want to dick down, because that's what she is. Objectification of women - the biggest problem in the world according to feminists - is men seeing women for what they are.

Feminists and women in general want you to see the girl twerking in her booty shorts on Thursday in the club and think "boy I bet she's deep. I wonder what kind of music she likes, I wonder what her dreams and aspirations are. I wonder how I can help her, how I can be there for her, how I can get to know the "real her" beneath the appearance that she puts out."

And they justify this by saying "well, WOMEN look beneath the surface. We look at personality!"

Which is true, they do. They look at your wallet, your car, your crib, your confidence, your demeanor, etc, all the "tells" of your SMV. This gives them a sense of superiority, but in reality, it's this simple - we look at SMV, they look at SMV.

Men are objects with certain properties. SMV is a composite of these properties that women care about. Women are the same - they are objects that have different properties, and the properties we care might change depending on who we are and what we are looking. But at the end of the day, the most important property is attractiveness. High SMV for women is surface level; it's appearance.

Why Should I Objectify Women! I Like My Fantasies!

As men, when you objectify something, you increase your ability to manage it. When you view her as the means to provide you with something, be in sex, companionship, social status, or whatever it is, you can quickly evaluate the key question of "Is this object delivering the 'something' that it's supposed to?"

How can you objectively evaluate her and get an accurate reading of her value, especially given how many tricks modern women have up their sleeve to over-hype their value? You must break her down into quantifiable categories and evaluate that ho like a D&D character. What are her skills? How would rank her femininity, her seductiveness, her appearance, her dress / makeup game, her conversational skills, her intelligence, her clinginess, her humor?

Then you have to rank how much those evaluations actually matter. Not just ranking her in different areas, but establishing which areas are actually important. IE if her intelligence is a 10, who gives a fuck if she's a plate! If her's a FWB, then maybe her humor and conversational skills matter somewhere in the middle; less important than appearance, but more important than her n-count or RMV.

My point is that this must be rationally broken down. Like when you're car shopping.

A car is an object. It provides transport, comfort, safety, mileage, and social status. If I'm buying an econoHonda, I'm looking for it to provide transport, safety, moderate comfort, decent mileage, reliability, and low insurance rates. If I'm going to pay around 8k for a used '08 Accord, I have a STANDARD to evaluate against; I know what I'm paying for the object, and I can evaluate if the object is providing me with sufficient value to justify the price.

If you guys think of women as objects, you can quickly ascertain whether or not they justify their price. Do drinks and dinners and gifts and TIME spent courting justify the object's sexual output of 1 fuck per week? Probably not unless you're so rich that you don't GAF, or you're so beta that there's no other way to wet your dick.

Now, if she's a sports car / turbo thot of an object, that means her functionality is very limited, but she's very good at one purpose, which is fucking. So what value do you place on sex with a turbo thot? Maybe instead of one-nighting her, you can justify plating. You put in a little more time and a little money on giving her a drink and a meal when she comes over for a booty call, and you have to spend some time listening to her stupid stories, but it's an OK price for the objective value that she's providing.

ThotMart Versus Walmart

When you think of girls as objects, you get RP'd in to another truth. At Walmart, the prices are fixed. Bill Gates, Kanye West, me, a college dropout, and a homeless dude all get quoted the same price for a big screen TV. Paying with a black Amex card or bands of coke-residue covered drug money is really the same to the vendor at the end of the day. The price is the same for the object regardless of who you are. (Some exceptions do occur, like athletes will get free Jordans and Beats, but just run with the metaphor).

At the ThotMart, what you pay is determined by your SMV and your RMV. Everyone pays a different price for a same object. The prices are as unfixed as in a Turkish bazaar - and women are as crafty as Istanbul vendors, believe me.

If you read my post on "The Female Hustle" you know I have a boner for quadrants, so here goes. Here's what the 4 archetypes of men pay when they enter ThotMart.

Low-SMV, Low-RMV

(aka broke, no social status, no ripped bod, no car, no game, etc). You get escorted out the store and perhaps reported for loitering on private property. You're the homeless dude that just walked into the Gucci store. You're not doing anything wrong by being there, you're not breaking the law, but it doesn't matter, you're presence there makes the store seem less prestigious.

If you've ever gone into a fancy store and felt the saleswoman kind of "edged you out" quickly, this is what happened. They know that their stock rises by having the store seem full of rich, attractive people. By having all these plebians in sweats and hanes T shirts shopping and trying on their clothes, taking their jewelry out the case, etc, they seem far less high end and exclusive. Then the actual rich people see that and they don't want to shop there, because it seems like a common experience for common people, even if the price tags are high.

As a low SMV, low RMV man, you just approaching her and trying to buy is embarrassing for her; it tanks her value and she's paranoid that the alpha males around are seeing that, and then they won't shop her.

Low-SMV, High-RMV

AKA beta bucks. You're solid relationship value because you've got a good job, nice car, good lifestyle, stable, and sweet. You pay the highest price because your SMV is lower, and she knows you don't have sexual options. You have the ability to give her a LOT, so you have to pay a lot, and you will, because you don't see her as an object.

You are the ideal customer. You're the guy who walks into the BMW store and just wants something sporty, because he wants to look cool and not drive his econobox anymore. You don't care about comparing models, because all your life you've just wanted a BMW, you've just wanted to feel cool. You'll finance something beyond your means, not negotiate hard, get devalued on your trade-in, and walk off the lot feeling like hot shit (even though you're signed up for 5 years of leeching payments in return for something that will have it's novelty wear off after 1 year.)

Low SMV, high RMV guys are often the ones who protest that NAWALT, objectification is wrong, yadda yadda yadda. You are an object, that's all you are to her, and you want to tell me not to objectify women? Crazy.

High SMV, Low RMV:

You get the goods for free. You pay the low price because you have sexual options, therefore there's a price ceiling on what you'll pay for pussy. If you're going to get a free big screen TV tomorrow, and you know that, you're not paying sticker price today. There is really nothing else that needs to be said here; she is attracted and wants to fuck you because you're valuable in the sexual place, and she gets value by proxy. Not money, but excitement, social status, connections to other cool people, parties, drugs, whatever it is.

We all know this drill. She overdelivers on pussy, you underdeliver on commitment. Now, if you get soft and you actually try to catch feelings and go steady with her - aka you treat her like a human being and not an object - then she'll get flakey and start trying to reel in another guy. 10 times out of 10, if you catch her by being the alpha fun guy, and you get serious and weighty and boring, she will start hoing around mentally. She might not cheat then and there, she might stick with you some because you're still a decent object, but mentally she'll start the branch-swinging process and her respect for you will be gone. She'll start talking back, putting out less, and trying to juice you like you're a beta. Because, well, you went soft, so you are a beta.

My point is that women are always down to RE-NEGOTIATE THE TERMS OF THE DEAL if your SMV/RMV properties change value. If you are a different object tomorrow, they want a different deal. If you can pay more tomorrow, all of a sudden, the price changes. An alpha who ropes in a girl with low effort must always remain on his guard and understand that he only defeated her imperative TODAY; she will keep trying to win in the future.

High SMV / High RMV:

This is a negotiation, this is where it gets interesting. She will try to raise the price because she knows she hits the jackpot if she get commitment and time out of you. She wants you bad. She knows that girls who give it up to you for free walk away with nothing. But she also knows she can't try for too much, because you are high SMV and will walk.

It's your value versus hers, your negotiating ability versus hers. She's going to try to withhold sex, you're going to withhold commitment, and one of you will snap first. You can a high price or a low price, and this is where you have to be able to objectify her. If you are an "alpha bucks" but you buy into this Elon Musk fantasy that this ho is special, she's a unicorn, she's different, she's worth the extra cost even though she's structurally identical to every other object in her category, etc, you will be an alpha who's paying the BETA PRICE.

Alphas Paying the Beta Price

How many alphas do we know who pay the beta price? A SHIT TON.

Why do all these rich successful ballers and celebs and Ibankers and tech millionaires pay the beta price when they roll up to the ThotMart?

Because they don't get that she's just an object. They may sell, buy and trade objects for a living. They may have objectified countless women before - and of course been objectified by women before too. They may instinctively "get" RP ideas without having been explicitly exposed to them. They may have spend their lives underpaying for premium pussy.

And all of that doesn't mean shit if they cannot objectify women. Objectification of women is your masculine imperative. Especially if you are young and you have a bright future ahead of you - a future that any thot with a little jealousy or carelessness or manipulative instinct can compromise. Objectify. Reduce to a quantifiable, measurable object with different properties that you can rate, analyze, and assess in a vacuum.


If you aren't objectifying women, you are overvaluing them, and when you overvalue, you pay the beta price.

Repeat after me: "If I do not assess her with detached objectivity, I will wind up paying the beta price."

For some men, the fantasy of being with their soulmate is worth paying the beta price. And to them, as long as it's a calculated, rational decision, I have no beef.

But for most of us sane individuals, we want to minimize what we have to pay for sex. We want to see women as they are, even if it's uglier than seeing women as women want to be seen, or as WE want to see women. We do not want to OVERPAY for traits that our BP imagination has projected onto a average thot.

The way to avoid overpaying and giving your value for an illusion in return is objectification. It is no coincidence that feminists are SO hung up on objectification.

They know damn well that if men start objectifying women en masse, their whole charade of equality and victimhood comes crashing down. Once men as a population return to treating women like objects, women will be forced to improve and conserve the properties that men care about when evaluating them. Attractiveness, fitness, femininity, low n-count, and so on. In fact, an argument can be make that men's gradual shift away from objectifying women has led to many of our societal problems.

Help clean up society; objectify women when you walk into the ThotMart. It's your civic duty.


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Title ThotMart & Objectification of Women 101
Author Thotwrecker
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Date March 30, 2016 6:10 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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[–]DisgruntledWolverine 29 points29 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Great post, I would like to add a corollary to one of your points though.

My point is that women are always down to RE-NEGOTIATE THE TERMS OF THE DEAL if your SMV/RMV properties change value. If you are a different object tomorrow, they want a different deal. If you can pay more tomorrow, all of a sudden, the price changes.

I would make the point that they are willing to re negotiate if your value lowers. They will definitely continue to see the beta halo if you were low SMV and improved yourself.

Edit for formatting

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker[S] 32 points33 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yup. Once she sees into the beta bitch lurking behind an alpha facade, she can't unsee it.

A married guy who's turned beta has only one hope of salvation. He has to go completely nuclear and be willing to kill the relationship (full dread game, prepare divorce papers, fuck another woman, etc, to change her perception of him. It only works if he completely comes to terms with losing her, and even then, it often still won't work.

A friendzoned guy has to disappear for months and return as a high SMV chad who treats her like an object. Then he has a chance - but to do that of course, he has to completely become a different person and in that process, he probably will stop wanting the girl who friendzoned him in the first place.

Either way if you go beta, to regain control you have to A) become a different person and B) accept the likelihood that the relationship will have to be killed.

[–]Roughknot6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Spot on, happened in my marriage. I improved my SMV well above hers and she still couldn't see that I'd changed from a Beta Bitch. I was preparing to walk, she found out, told her what had to happen for me to stay married. She has complied and now we are both happier (Honestly didn't expect her to change). Now I'll never love her like I used to but I couldn't put my finger on the difference. But you've done it. I objectify her now, she either adds value or she doesn't. Any other sentiments are a fantasy.

[–]disgruntledearthling3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Dude - I was disgruntled first!

+1 to the renegotiation thing. Also, sometimes it's just not worth dumpster-diving when your increase SMV gives you access to younger, harder bodies.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I actually thought that myself. Friend zone is forever.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No, in my experience that is not the case.

It is true that most of the time it does happen like you described (once you are beta in her eyes, you'll be beta forever).

But what really happen is:

If you has been beta once with her, YOU will still continue to act beta with her. I think this is what happens most of the time, think about it. Because if your SMV go up and you become a chad, and be a chad with her (you yourself must forget about your beta past when with her), it is mathematically true that she will treat you like a chad.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood26 points27 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Great analogies.

Most guys don't get that it's fucking insulting to hit on a girl when you are effectively low SMV/RMV. It's like a landwhale with a dike cut, dyed pink with a hunchback that looks like she could shoulder shrug a dump truck coming up to you and groping your balls. It's just fucking insulting and deplorable.

Step 1. Be attractive

Step 2. Don't be unattractive

It's funny though how most BP agree with the 2 steps, yet they have no clue that being attractive male is a lot more than just having a nice face or genetics.

Game pretty much is social lowballing to get what you want. You are hustling and trying to maximize your return with the least amount of investment. Economics and women are practically one in the same.

It's called Sexual "Market" Value for a reason.

[–]hiaf7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I find it personally insulting when ugly/fat girls come up to me and flirt.

Tip: Going out with attractive girl friends manages to keep them away.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It gets pretty fucking bad sometimes too. Drunk landwhales are the worst. The shit they do would have a dude behind bars for 5-10. I've kinda adopted some of the girl's I know mentality when a creepy dude is hitting on them.

"Fuck off, not interested".

They have no problem putting their hands all over you. Leaning up on you, straight up asking you to make out with them. And these are not girls that you are talking to for a few minutes or engaging at all. They'll just walk straight up to you without a word and do this shit.

It does come with a great bonus if you play it right though.

Grab a hot girl, "Hey, you are going to save me real quick, these girls won't leave me the fuck alone so you're mine for the next 2 minutes"

I've had great fucking success with that one. Especially at pool parties.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Except they try to tell us we're horrible people for rejecting said land whale while they toss a drink in the face of the male equivalent without a second thought.

I'm beginning to think a large part of TRP is just no longer giving a shit about all the double standards.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Pretty much. I treat women like I do men now. Equality is want the want.

[–]ClericJohnPreston12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lurked here about 9 months. Don't comment a lot. This is one of the best posts I've read here. Top 5 IMO. I thought I'd seen all the big authors here already (illimitable, Clint, Archwinger) etc. but along comes Thotwrecker to pry things open in a bit of a new way to me. Possibly still not "seen it all" as I was beginning to think.

This hits on a combination of several RP truths all at once. Increasing SMV, abundance mentality, cutting self critique, AWALT, unicorn theory.... This was well done. These principles need to sink in. If WE are assets, why aren't they????

[–]enskip6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Definition of terms question: What is RMV?

[–]2kez887 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Relationship market value I believe

[–]growingstronk0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Real Market Value

The idea is this is what you are objectively worth, while Sexual Market Value is what you're subjectively worth based on how you present yourself and your "assets"

[–]enskip0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks! I understand the concept, just didn't know the abbreviation.

[–]1ToSeeAndToHear9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Even after finding TRP, I've found my empathy centers lighting up hard for women who I am sexually interested in. That shit gets me in trouble, fast.

I've found that when I can get myself into an abundance mentality state, this objectification happens almost automatically. Once I'm comparison shopping, the pros and cons of particular girls to me matter a lot more.

I'll try to keep this in mind, as I think it would be a good way to jump-start abundance mentality.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes. It is easy to be cold and rational when evaluating the ho your best friend is getting juiced by. It's easy to be rational and objective 99% of the time, but when she's soft and pretty and sweet, and you think she's different and special, the male hamster goes into overdrive.

Most people really want to find the exception; they want it so bad that like you said, when they become interested in a woman, their empathy centers flare up and they start seeing things that aren't there.

[–]nomorebackslide 6 points6 points [recovered] | Copy Link

awesome post man. you made me realize that having high smv-low rmv is the best deal for guys in their 20s. Women cut to bullshit and get down to business with them rather easily. They don't need to hide their true intentions cuz there is no money to milk out of them so she will try to bang him as fast as possible. However I think high smv / high rmv is a lot more fun for guys. You can watch hamstering every day if you want. And weirdly, I enjoy it even more than sex.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

High SMV / RMV is always best because life as a whole gets ugly if you aren't decently cash-positive, and all the pussy in the world doesn't help if you cannot life the lifestyle you want. Once in a while a ho will try to gold-dig, but at the end of the day, you're life has enough value that another will be drawn quickly enough.

The high RMV guy just has to be smarter. I would say it's better to be higher SMV / RMV, but with increased RMV comes increased responsibility. You have to be smarter and more situationally aware and perceptive. It's kind of like how the more senior you get at work, the more you have to be on your A-game and constantly alert to the motivations, schemes, and machinations of everyone around you. It's a better place to be for sure, but the increased salary and quarterly bonuses do come at a cost.

If you can enjoy this like you said and make a game out of it, you'll have a blast at high SMV / high RMV.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Amazing post. Been a while since I've read a long one. Bookmarked.

[–]RP_Vergil4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow, this piece is sidebar material for people who start to grasp the concept of RP.

The 4 spectrum you specified covers majority of the base, but people need to note that Woman will and often not, Trade up if she can find another man of higher value than you (be it RMV or SMV) as AWALT.

Not only must you see her as an Object, but also as just a Phrase. "She isn't yours, just your turn" has been the go to line here for sometime, which is important for Men to know that the world is big out there, don't despair over a lost cause, look outside for more new targets.

[–]1IamGale3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You write a powerful argument in favour of the objectification of women. We need to look at it from a rational perspective.

If only Elon Musk followed your advice.

[–]DirtyTamponGobbler1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Great post (almost didn't swallow the first sentence). I have an unrelated question I've been wondering for a time -

do physical looks matter? Or is it only an attractive mindset females are after

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker[S] 3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Appearance is very important. Appearance, though, is not just physical looks. If you have great physical looks, you just have to do much less.

If you don't, you need to push up whatever other "appearance" levels you can control. Dress well, don't dress like a beta bucks. Get in good shape. Exfoliate and moisturize and sunscreen. Get lasik, go bald if you're dealing with early hair loss. Get a high end watch that's not gaudy, but tells people "I have money and class." Women are brand-whores. Speak loud and deep - that helps ugly guys sound masculine and attractive enough to get past the initial "nope."

That is really what physical looks do; they help you get her buy in. You get a green light at the beginning and a fair shot at running your game. So for guys who don't have good looks, they need to find another way of wedging their foot in the door. Generally it's going to boil down to physique or money or body language / voice tone, or ideally a combination of the three.

[–]DirtyTamponGobbler1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Interesting. I usually look for balances between men and women, such as where all my initial attraction comes from her looks, where does all hers come from? It only takes me two seconds to know if I wanna bang a girl. What's her two second test?

Imagine undressing a girl only to find she's much more out of shape than you first imagined her to be -- you might change your mind. But would a woman? No, she's already attracted to you

[–]2Overkillengine1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What's her two second test?

Status indicators. If you appear low status, you never get to the audition phase.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Regarding the skin, wwhat's the best stuff to use for acne/ get clear shiny skin?

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Haha, I'm about to win the American Psycho award, but here goes.

Depends on what your problem is and what your face responds do.

Rule of thumb - avoid strong / very concentrated acids / bases, fragrances, alcohols, comodogenic oils, and abrasive "microbeads" in facial products. Do not overscrub, do not overdry your face. This both can contribute to acne. Often this the problem - you're using some harsh benzl peroxide of high % salyclic acid on your face, which is drying it to the bone. Then you're not moisturizing it because you don't want to put something oily on your face. Overly dry skin AND oily skin gets acne, so you have to skirt the line and find the balance for you.

There's also a lot to be said for various diet and health quirks like drinking a shit ton of water, ice cold shower / face wash, alkaline diet, apple cider vinegar (consumed and on face), healthy oils, and how they affect skin quality. It's not really scientifically backed to my knowledge, but I have seen it personally help.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Can you send me some links or product names? & appreciate the advice.

Also, I love how people act like its wrong to objectify women. Their value is literally tied to their looks. They do not have the same standards as men.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Its both. Mindset is more important because an ugly guy with game will get more pussy than a sexy guy no game. But get both.

[–]TheVictor3331 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

As a low SMV, low RMV man, you just approaching her and trying to buy is embarrassing for her; it tanks her value and she's paranoid that the alpha males around are seeing that, and then they won't shop her.

This is so fucking true in Dominican Republic. Hypergamy is so open here that if you look like you do not have any money or look low status, that women do not even respond to you when you try to open them. They treat you like you're not even there. So much so that we invented a new word for gold diggers here and we call them "chapiadora." Open hypergamy is the norm in DR and some women even wear their chapiadora title with pride.

Hypergamy is so open here that Alpha Fucks cannot get laid with lower class women (which is the majority of women in this 3rd world country), but only with a middle or upper class woman. And as an AF you can fuck these women, but they WILL NOT commit to you neither. Even the middle and upper class chicks will eventually only want to settle for a higher status or richer guy than them.

If you're a BB or an AB, you will thrive here. You will have women opening you and giving you blatant IOIs. As a matter of fact, when I first moved to the "barrio" I live in now, no woman would bat an eye towards me when I walked around. I'm usually dressed in a white tee with jeans and some old skater shoes looking ghetto as fuck because I don't want to attract any attention from muggers. I only dress up when going out with bitches or special occasions.

After a couple of months of buying lunch at the same cafeteria like clockwork at 12 noon, the women in the neighborhood started showing me attention. Women I never even opened before. They saw that I had a stable enough income that I could afford to eat at a cafeteria every day of the month. The way that I spent my money there was unfathomable to them when I could obviously save money by cooking at home. However, I work from home and the only reason I eat lunch there is to save time.

I was a walking dollar sign to them. I was starting to get IOIs and some of the women that work in the nearby shops would try to be subtle about trying to show up at the cafeteria at the same time as me and they'd casually try to greet me (and ignore patrons coming after me), obviously trying to get me to open them.

Fucked a couple of 'em. Then the plates broke when they realized I wasn't giving them any money at all. I'm a frugal cat. Hopefully, one day I'll be a fat cat.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Never understood the whole "objectification is bad" thing.

Is sexual attraction not a completely natural and normal thing?

Fuck feeling bad about biological urges.

[–]ArkAngelEV1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

we got a winner . And they don't want us to know. despicable; it's this type of duality, double dealing, duplicitous , two face-ness , lack of foresight and chicanery that we CAN'T treat them as another human ( which really means, treating them like another man, with all the faculties and avarice naturally endowed )

Now whether they are BELOW us or not, i'll leave to the more learned. But one thing i can completely confirm is ; they are NOT on "our" level . point blank

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Imo, one of the hardest parts about going from bp to RP is the transition from seeing women as people to merely warm holes for my dong.

Once I made that paradigm shift, flirting with women and handling their shit tests became much easier and predictable.

Wiping out the beta programming and moving towards RP realism is like exiting a forest that has no more food- a gradual but necessary journey of adaptation.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

They are just holes made for reproduction and fucking. That's all they're good for.

[–]Orig_analUse_rname0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Some people may disagree, but I think life's easier when we all realize that we evolved to be nothing but sacs of reproductive fluid, breeding like parasites. If that's what I am, I'm at least going to try to enjoy my time here.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly how I feel. We are here to reproduce. That's it.

[–]DforDeadpool0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Many great posts today. Reading this post, I've felt that I understood all of it, rationally. But also feels like I don't totally get it. It's like when you laugh at a joke because you know it's funny and you barely get it, but you feel like you're missing something. So, meditation time!

[–]1PantsonFire12340 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

and evaluate that ho like a D&D character.

I fucking love your wordplay on things. Keep that side of yours rolling. There aren't enough posts on TRP that include a bit of humor in the mix- a crucial part if you ask me.

We all know this drill. She overdelivers on pussy, you underdeliver on commitment. Now, if you get soft and you actually try to catch feelings and go steady with her - aka you treat her like a human being and not an object - then she'll get flakey and start trying to reel in another guy. 10 times out of 10, if you catch her by being the alpha fun guy, and you get serious and weighty and boring, she will start hoing around mentally.

Fuck man this describes my previous failed relationships excellently. Even after a year of browsing the manosphere I've never come across an explanation more accurate then yours. I'd say this is the classic 'Alpha outside of the relationship and Beta inside of the relationship'.

The shit I got away with with this girl was hilarious- then suddenly I get a full 180 when the Betaness crept in. What confused me the most was the sudden re-shift after the relationship. I'm pretty sure I scarred her for live.

[–]kamenr0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Slavery is declared legal today.

On the auction block in a very efficient modern Slave Market: what kind of pre-market valuation would a veteran bid side analyst arrive at, after plenty of DD? How wide the bid ask spread? How many bidders would be attracted?

Assuming successful acquisition, and assuming that this is a depreciating asset class, what would be the rate of decay?

[–]killxorxbexkilled0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Pretty damn good assessment. Good read.

[–]hailhailhailandkill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's actually to fight fire with fire. Approaching the subject exactly like how they do (and don't want us to do). Reversing the slyness. Nail driving another nail out. Keeping solid frame against their countermeasures.

While objectifying men based on their assets-status etc, they portray themselves as unicorns and the relationship as sacred. Slamming low status men around while hearing about weight as a criterion drives them nuts.

No pedestal, no overestimation, no surplus value, no indulging.

Another benchmark: Male-female relationships are no fairy tales, they are nothing but economics!

Keep in mind: Objectification ~ Transaction

  • Does it yield well?
  • Are you overinvesting?
  • What about opportunity costs?
  • Spending too much for that stock value?
  • Pay-Lay ratio? Excessive costs?
  • Equilibrium on X-Y axis?
  • Wasting too much time (the most important asset ever)?

PS: If I do not assess her with detached objectivity, I will wind up paying the beta price.

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I totally disagree.

You make a good discussion, your rethoric and logic spin well. Too bad that your assumption is totally off.

Okay, stay with me for a moment. Say you see a Ferrari and you want to buy it. You get it and you mount on, just to find out its engine coughs and jerks like a shitty 30 year old family car.

Now back to the girls. Say you see a smoking hot girl, you start talking with her and she talks like she failed grade school. Would you fuck her? From your standpoint, yes. Would it be a good fuck? Maybe. Maybe like the Ferrari, you like to show it off to your friends while it's in the parking lot.

Is that a valuable exchange, though? I mean, yeah, you can make your friends believe that you are such an alpha because you bang so many hot women. Wow. Very valuable.

It is like the eye for an eye thing, you do it because they did it to you. You see them as an object, they see you as an object, and goes on and on.

I found that if you stop looking at them as objects, they start to look back at you as a human being. Crazy, huh? But that's hard, I mean, you have to be vulnerable and shit, too much work.

I disagree that looking at a human being as a human being makes you value them more.

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They love being objectified, they have no empathy for men. They do not see men as human beings. Get that faggot moralistic shit out of here.

[–]kamenr0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The whole point here is becoming able to assess the value of the Ferrari. And then to get a good price on it or pass. You don't pay list.

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Women are just 3 walking orifices to me. Fucking & babies, useless otherwise. I hate those dumb ass bitches who are like "omg she's more than her ass or herlooks!1!1!!!!1" No shes not, dumb fuck.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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