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Tip: women should not prove you how mean and shitty they are; they should prove you how good and worthy they are.

October 27, 2014
19 upvotes

You guys shouldn't presuppose women are great and worthy people until they prove you they are mean and shitty; but, on the contrary, you should consider that the only important and relevant proofs to yourself, to your life and to your interests are the proofs women show you about how good, worthy and deserving of your esteem they are. Friendships and relationships should be something to be built up from scratch, not something to be presupposed and given for free until they get destroyed.

3 reasons:

  • 1º) If you presuppose a woman is good and worthy (until she proves it otherwise), then you are lowering your guard, so if she turns out to be a bad person she might hurt you. But if you presuppose women are mean and unworthy until they prove their good qualities, you'll be safe. Good qualities, not bad ones, should be the ones subject to proof.

  • 2º) If a woman is not really interested in proving you how good and worthy she is, then she's not really interested in you, and it is not a good idea to be interested in women that are not interested in you. If you expect the good and positive qualities to be the ones to be proven, then you'll be using an easy method to find out which women are really interested in you.

  • 3º) Given the huge quantity of examples on TRP about how self-centered and mean are women in general, presupposing female meanness and selfishness until women prove you their kindness and good qualities is the most reasonable and intelligent thing.

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Title Tip: women should not prove you how mean and shitty they are; they should prove you how good and worthy they are.
Author cooltrip
Upvotes 19
Comments 8
Date October 27, 2014 5:34 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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[–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang17 points18 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

It's a slippery slope you're playing on there, man. If you're planning to have women prove themselves to you before you lower your guard, you're still presupposing that you get to lower your guard at some future point. Just need that special woman, that unicorn, she'll prove herself to me and then finally I can do it... Doesn't work like that. AWALT. Just what exactly is "proof", 1 year of her being a good girl to you? Five years? She's a woman, none of it matters if tomorrow she unexpectedly gets major tingles for a new man, the good girl show is instantly over. She'll be a good girl for him now, and a lying, horrible, gaslighting bitch to you.

Yeah it's probably wise to always expect the worst and that way never be disappointed. But unless you've been brought up steeped in such Confucianism, which I have not for example, it's just a horribly awkward way to live and think. So my takeaway for you, women do not deserve trust, ever, it's a lot like a diagnosed schitzo family member, they're loved and you care for them, but you never trust. Even if they prove themselves. You trust her to be a woman, that's it.

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[–]SuperPhiSwag1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This right here guys.. is a real man.

[–]RedRisingHood5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Used to think exactly like this, it's not correct

A woman can be awful and ruthless to one man and loyal and decent to another. Eventually you realise that the important thing is becoming the best you can be and that's how people will treat you well, rather than you finding these rare decent people.

[–]Keninishna3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

yeah this will fail briffualt law.

The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place.

There are a few corollaries I would add:

Past benefit provided by the male does not provide for continued or future association.

Any agreement where the male provides a current benefit in return for a promise of future association is null and void as soon as the male has provided the benefit (see corollary 1)

A promise of future benefit has limited influence on current/future association, with the influence inversely proportionate to the length of time until the benefit will be given and directly proportionate to the degree to which the female trusts the male (which is not bloody likely).

[–]I_Wear_Jorts51 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good post. While this should all be self evident, it's really a good reminder that you shouldn't ever be blinded by pussy.

For example, I recently had a run in with a really mean bitch I met via tinder. I messaged her first, she shit tested, I passed, etc, etc. Eventually, I got her number and got her to agree to meeting up at my place. She then began obsessively texting me shit tests and really rude questions. I should have said "fuck it" and cut contact then, but since I already set up the "date," I figured that maybe she'd be nicer in person. Boy, was I wrong. After she eventually came over (She rescheduled multiple times because she kept flaking out. I would say "ok" and she would freak out and suggest another time. Basically shit testing hardcore.), she was just a huge bitch overall. 1 word responses, hardcore shit tests, and closed off body language. Eventually, I somehow got her to make out for a while, but she wouldn't allow anything else. She proclaimed, "You have to earn that." She then dropped into bitch mode again, so I asked her about her mood. She told me I had to "earn" her being nice also. So I told her I was tired and she had to go. Holy shit, you would have thought I told her Santa Claus wasn't real. She snatched her shit up and stormed out the door. She still texts me occasionally, "enticing" me with the offer of hanging out again if I ever "apologize." Yeah right.

Point is, you should never have to "earn" good behavior from a woman. If they are a bitch to you today, do you really think that they'll be nicer after you "prove yourself worthy?" The answer is hell no. Briffaults law explains why this happens quite nicely. If you value yourself, you won't take abuse from anyone, even if there is a promise that they'll eventually be nicer once you jump through a few hoops. Respect should be given and earned mutually

[–]mrp3anut0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think you are misunderstanding what giving people a baseline of trust means. Your post implies that you see this as if the choice is between women starting off as goddesses and staying there unless proven otherwise or starting off as a cumrag and staying there unless proven otherwise.

Let's pretend the "goddess" actually exists.

If you take the first view then every cumrag you meet milks you until you figure her out. If you take the second view the goddess won't bother with you.

Now as much as guys here seem to think that all women are mindless cumrags it isn't exactly true. All women are hypergamous and such but if you get one on the right side of the bell curve and be the alpha in her life you will have as good a chance as any guy ever has.

[–]kanaduhisfruityeh-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with this. Women have to prove their value to me before they get any regard.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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