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Validation

September 26, 2018
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TLDR- Stop validating women.

I've gotten some messages asking about validation, so here is a simple write up for you autistic bastards.

Validation is "recognition or affirmation that a person or their feelings or opinions are valid or worthwhile"

Validation here refers to any verbal or nonverbal behavior or communication that tells a chick that you like her, that you accept her, that you value her as a person.

Texting her- validation Complimenting her- validation Paying attention to her- validation Spending time with her- validation Laughing at her shitty joke- validation

We are social creatures and therefore we all desire validation from our peers.

Women are hardwired to seek validation. We all are, but women especially are. Women need validation from other women, and they especially need validation from men. They evolved this social need in order to survive.

As men, we also need validation. But we need sex more. Actually, you could see sex as the ultimate validation a woman could give a man. It is her most precious affirmation that he is valued.

Women obtain validation from men by being pleasant, feminine, and giving up their pussy.

However. If you give the Male resource (time/attention/validation) for free, she will never need to give up the Female resource (pussy). Sex is a woman's greatest tool for extracting validation from men. But she isn't going to give up her pussy to a guy who she already gets validation from. A guy she knows already likes her and will be there to help her. If you are validating her without sexual reciprocation from her, you are communicating low value.

All of this is exacerbated by social media and the structure of modern society. Women are flooded with constant validation from men. This has lowered the baseline value of Male validation considerably.

Consider this paradigm:

As a man, the greatest gift you can give a woman is your nonsexual attention. I have fucked chicks that I'd never spend the day with. My sexual attention is cheap I will fuck anything. My nonsexual attention (my time outside of sex) is my valuable asset. And I don't give that away easily.

The greatest gift she can give you is her sexual attention. Chicks will spend time with beta boys because they need validation like we need sex. Her nonsexual attention is cheap- all she wants to do is bitch and talk shit anyways. She throws her time away on anything. But her sexual attention (her pussy) is her valuable asset. And she reserves that for high-value men. Men who don't validate her.

The only time you should give a chick validation (non-sexual attention) is when you're approaching her and setting up a date. The moment you determine that she isn't fucking you, this is the moment you stop validating her.

Your time & attention & friendship are all part of the same thing. They are all part of your love as a man. You cannot give up this valuable asset to a woman who isn't reciprocating with her valuable asset. Stop throwing away your love.

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Title Validation
Author chazthundergut
Upvotes 157
Comments 112
Date September 26, 2018 5:26 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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[–]Demiurge_Decline93 points94 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

"As a man, the greatest gift you can give a woman is your nonsexual attention. I have fucked chicks that I'd never spend the day with. My sexual attention is cheap I will fuck anything. My nonsexual attention (my time outside of sex) is my valuable asset. And I don't give that away easily."

This is why female orbitors are so invaluable. They are worth their weight in betabucks.

[–]ThrowFader37 points38 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

deleted What is this?

[–]ardu-7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Couldn't female orbitors be useful for pre-selection if they are attractive?

[–]MrAnderzon 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy Link

What do you mean by the female orbiters

[–]Demiurge_Decline17 points18 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Any man that is orbiting or beta-ing around with a woman he has no chance to sleep with. ya know the I brought you lunch guy, or the your boyfriend sucks guy, or the friend who wants more guy, etc yadda..

[–]knuglets1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So male orbiters for females. I thought you were referring to "female orbiters" as females that orbit the man.

[–]Demiurge_Decline0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's even better now that I think about it and holds truer in certain circumstances.

[–]MrAnderzon 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

So keep girls you're not attracted to but are attracted to you as orbiters. Using them for their resources

[–]Demiurge_Decline0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Those orbiters act as magnification devices for the women you really want as well as live reality gaming instead of online theory.

[–]DeontologicalSanders134 points135 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Good post. One thing to add:

Don't ever forget that to women, negative attention from a man is a form of validation.

You arguing with her means her point of view must be important enough for a man to address. You getting angry at her means she must be significant enough to affect a man emotionally. You insulting her means she must be enough of a threat or she upset you enough that you need to cut her down. You hitting her means that she shook your frame so badly that you basically had to "cheat" using your obvious physical advantage.

She can spin any of these behaviors to make herself the victim and receive sympathy and attention from others. The only real way to punish a woman for misgivings is to withdraw your attention.

One of the hardest pills to swallow and lessons to learn is that a man has absolutely zero power over a woman if she does not value his attention.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

What to do when you get shit tested for ignoring?

[–]lobstergenocide19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Continue ignoring, she will either come back to you to make up or she won’t, either way you don’t have to deal with her bitching

[–]3chazthundergut[S] 40 points41 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Very true, very good point. Never argue with a chick, and never fight with her. Chicks love drama, and as you said all attention is validation.

Ignore her completely until she is ready for the make-up sex. Then take your anger out on her and fuck her like a convict. She will thank you for it.

[–]domoli0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

What about when enforcing boundaries? Does this fall in the domain of negative attention? For instance, I’m talking with a girl I know and her friend shows up and interrupts the conversation impolitely to say hi to her friend. Would assertively (and in a non needy way) explaining that interrupting two people engaged in conversation is incorrect be a bad move? I’ve done this before and I don’t think the woman sees it as validation.

[–]uwotm8910 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

In this situation, I’m sure both girls just thought that you were a sperg ha.

[–]domoli0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It’s easy to come off that way if you handle it incorrectly. I’m guessing you would just let the girl’s friend walk over you?

[–]uwotm8910 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If it was just some girl I knew then I’d lightly make fun of the girl interrupting us. I wouldn’t start explaining how interrupting a conversation is rude in a serious way. You’d be wasting your breath on someone who doesn’t give a fuck about what you say or think. If the girl you’re talking to starts talking to her friend and ignoring you then bounce and start acting more cold towards her until she puts in some effort.

Edit* especially if her friend is interrupting quickly just to say hi and then leaving. If you’re butthurt enough about that to make it an issue then I’ve got some bad news for you bro.

[–]BloodRedQuestions12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

He's talking to YOU Mr. like every post and comment how beautiful she looks in her 10000x Selfie or ass pic. I swear Instagram is a mash up of the words "Instant Gratification from Men."

Also this is how you exit the friend zone and either have sex with her, or close that chapter and move on.

[–]Tossaway_no1million63 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I swear Instagram is a mash up of the words "Instant Gratification from Men."

OH MY GOD you've cracked the secret code! FUCKING BRILLIANT

[–]21wafflez20 points21 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Having said that, women don't work for free. It is a trade. They exchange pussy for attention. Yes that means you shouldn't give out free attention, but attention also means no pussy.

[–]omega_dawg9316 points17 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

i said EXACTLY this in another sub, and the comment got down-voted to hell. lol.

i know it was mostly women down-voting bc they won't ever admit that they love attention, and they use their holes to get that attention.

[–]dpgproductions15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Repeating any TRP material in any other sub (or any other facet of life for that matter) is pretty much a recipe for downvotes/hate

[–]auricomous1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

So how do you go from not giving her attention to getting pussy? If she doesn't initiate, then you will have to - which is giving her attention. Im confused on this

[–]3chazthundergut[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There is an appropriate amount of validation you should give a chick when you're courting her.

But it is about 90% less than what all these thirsty dudes are showering her with.

Make your approach, introduce herself, ask her out for a drink, and get the number. Text her for logistics.

That's all the validation she gets until the date.

Always err on the side of less validation. You'd be surprised how turned on chicks can get for a guy when they aren't sure he even likes her.

[–]omega_dawg930 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

you must stay the course until she gives-in.

if you initiate, she wins. if you ask, she wins.

what you should look for is her giving NON-VERBAL clues that you should 'take' her... like bending over in-front of you, bumping into you in the hallway, rubbing against you in bed, etc.

never forget: women are sub-communicators and/or very covert with how they relay info.

[–]bueller662613 points14 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

I'm going to have to disagree with parts of the post. You should validate behavior that you want to reinforce. It should never be about sex. You should care less. .You should never view anything as transactional. That's a covert contract. That is you getting her to like you for sex. They can smell that weakness a mile away. Women sleep with men based on who they are, not what they do.

[–]Master_Elrond5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

True, that is the correct attitude but every interaction is transactional whether you accept it or not.

[–]bueller66266 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women get validation from sleeping with high status men, just as I get pleasure from sleeping with a beautiful woman. In that sense it is transactional. I was trying to get at you should be high value, you shouldn't have to "do" anything you wouldn't do otherwise. My own anecdotal experience is that I didn't have any consistent success until I started flirting just to enjoy the sexual tension. If it led somewhere, awesome. If it did not, I could take that feeling and build on it next time with her or with the next woman I talked too. It was a sexual reframe, building my sexual mojo if you will. Enjoy the chase.

[–]3chazthundergut[S] 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

you should validate behavior that you want to reinforce

Exactly. So why wouldn't it be about sex?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Why it just have to be about sex?

[–]3chazthundergut[S] 7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

What else would it be for? Her conversation?

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes, or experience. You hang out with the girl, somehow the conversation goes into a subject thay you really like and know a shit ton about.

[–]bueller66260 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Reframe: Flirting is foreplay. The chase is part of sex. Make it about that. I had the oddest mundane conversation with a very attractive coworker yesterday. I made great eye contract and started chatting about a freaking software upgrade. She moved really close up into my space next to me as I was working on something else to the point our forearms brushed each other. I softened my eyes, dropped the tone but lowered volume of my voice a bit. Her pitch got higher and softer. We proceeded to chat about the upgrade without breaking eye contact. There were a couple of other coworkers in the relatively small room. It was fucking naughty. I ran into her again coming off the elevator and we both grinned. Its like our secret. It may never happen, but if it does, it will be intense as fuck. I don't think you can do this if the girl feels like you are in a rush to get into her pants.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So, I have to not talk about something I enjoy just to show what?

[–]bueller66260 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because I believe true sexual attraction may be the one behavior that cant be reinforced in the long term. Her decision whether or not to have sex, probably can. You see the distinction? If a women doesn't lust you, and she has a good idea of "what" you are, you have to leave the relationship. This is why its so hard to turn a LTR around once you're seen as low status.

[–]omega_dawg931 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

wrong.

women value and sleep with men based on what they are not who they are.

[–]bueller66262 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I do not understand the distinction between "what" and "who".

[–]omega_dawg931 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

what = alpha male.

who = not you... if she's not bringing the pussy to you.

[–]bueller66260 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with you. I meant "what" in the original post.

[–]StimulusPackageOne19 points20 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

My sexual attention is cheap I will fuck anything. My nonsexual attention (my time outside of sex) is my valuable asset.

This is some powerful shit.

[–]jytrader3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That shit reworked my mind. And the higher your status the more your attention becomes valuable as you have less of it to spend on things that aren’t the empire anyway.

[–]3chazthundergut[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You got it. Chase the crown.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Patrice O'Neal said it better, but yes, pretty much this

[–]3chazthundergut[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yea I know I love Patrice. He should be added to the sidebar.

[–]CainPrice23 points24 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

An extension of this concept would be to, essentially, condition women like you would children.

Reward good behavior (intermittently), and discourage bad behavior.

If you validate a woman in the absence of good behavior from her, you are teaching her that good behavior is not necessarily to obtain rewards from you. Likewise, if you double down and continue to validate her when she behaves badly, hoping to turn her around and win her over, you are encouraging bad behavior by rewarding it.

However, if you make her earn your validation through good behavior, such as sex, you encourage her to continue her good behavior. I would go so far as to say that if you never, ever validate a woman, being that black and white is a bit of a mistake. If a woman behaves well, it's okay to reward her for it. In fact, failing to do so may discourage her from future good behavior. If every time she has sex with you, she walks away feeling used and slutty and like you weren't moved at all, the sex is eventually going to stop. A little pat on the back post-sex is what gets a casual relationship past the 2-4 fucks mark into a several-month thing.

[–]DropDeadTyrant19 points20 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

I did this thing one time with a girl where I straight told her, if she wants me to talk to her, she has to say hi and ask how my day is going. I was tired of initiating and felt like she should pull her weight. She didn't talk to me for a week after and I ignored her. The next week, she starts saying hi and asking how my day is sarcastically, so I kept ignoring. Two weeks later, she drops the attitude and the sarcasm and says hi and asks how my day is going(still a facade of genuine interest, but at least no attitude). I say hi back and tell her about my day. Afterwards, she initiated all conversation for the rest of the year. Attention is like a drug to girls.

[–]ShimaRoosman4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

howd you hold face when a girl is mad at you? I know I'm a massive beta for this, but whenever my girl is mad at me, I feel like I have to rectify it. I don't like leaving the bad air lingering

[–]3whatsthisgarg16 points17 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

howd you hold face when a girl is mad at you? I know I'm a massive beta for this, but whenever my girl is mad at me, I feel like I have to rectify it. I don't like leaving the bad air lingering

You just have to not do it. That first time is going to feel so weird, but you will be surprised at the results. (Also, stop trying to fix shit for her, if you're also doing that.)

You'll get to a point where she can start yelling at you about whatever and you can just laugh and say "Are you seriously getting mad at me?" and make her feel like a damn fool.

[–]ShimaRoosman3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

appreciate the response. I'll try this next time

[–]DBergenmann0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

My father told me that “women will tell you all about their problems but never want you to fix them because they love bitching about them. When men complain like women do, shit changes and things get done. Women don’t want you to fix their problems so don’t waste your energy trying”

[–]3chazthundergut[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You need to toughen up your leather kid.

You should be very comfortable with female animosity.

Being non-reactive to chick emotions (including anger) is a prerequisite for success with women.

[–]retro_life234 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This where frame comes into play you shouldn't even care that she is mad at you because you know you can get pussy anywhere you have to really belive this

[–]ShimaRoosman1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

yep I know this to be true. just gotta learn to fully believe it

[–]omega_dawg93-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

you REALLY need to get past this shit...

[–]ArdAtak 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Was this over text or in person? What context? School? Work?

[–]DropDeadTyrant0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

school and in person. I did some really beta shit with her last year. this year, I'm torn between continuing to interact with her as a friend, pursuing(and possibly coming off as needy), or just continuing to ignore to see if she initiates again. So, I've been defaulting to the latter. but, either way, it's a learning experience. Attention is everything for girls.

[–]lovs2spuge11 points12 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

More men need to realize this especially about texting. You texting her is not doing a damn thing except giving her validation, like you stated, and driving their interest directly into the ground. I can’t tell you how many potential plates have broken because i texted them too much. Even if you aren’t double texting or spilling your feelings out to her (hint: nothing dries her pussy up quicker than telling her how you feel thru a text).

Logistics only.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Great advice for before nailing down the relationship. You can open that up a bit after you’ve fucked her twice. Second fuck makes her a lot more committed to ongoing fucks. Only fucked once could be hamstered as the ol weeeell it was just a onetime thing.. once you get the first fuck, the clock is ticking on that second fuck to nail down the sexual ties between the two of you.

You can use judicious texting & sexting to stir lust and emotions on someone who’s already bought what you’re selling. You can’t make the sale over text.

[–]lovs2spuge1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I’ve never really thought of it that way in regards to the fucks but it makes tons of sense. Even in my super blue pilled days i landed a good amount of lays but then would cut them off after that for fear of them getting attached after one fuck and having to let them down. Boy was i missing out.

Texting is necessary to some regard. But full blown conversations via text are a big no no. Learned that the hard way too many times. She doesn’t give a shit about the dream you had last night or what you’re eating for lunch.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Keyword: judicious.

Texting is for spiking emotions. make her laugh, make her feel naughty, make her feel sexy, make fun of her, make her pissed if you can enjoy that shit. Dont share your life story or any other dumb shit.

If you can’t do that then stick to logistics only

[–]omega_dawg930 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

some broads are very long-winded.

i have a text only policy with broads that can't shut the hell up for 5 seconds.

[–]PM_ME_YOUR_BARE_BUM9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Good points here, and this reinforces that this stuff is transactional. I'm having some difficulty in my LTR right now - it's at the point where things are going downhill but I'm not quite certain I want to throw it all away as yet. I need to change the balance of the give and take, and withdraw attention until the transaction balance restores itself a bit, and results in more of what she wants (validation) happening as a RESULT of her giving more of what I want (pussy).

[–]omega_dawg939 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

there are some that say that only trick-to-prostitute sex is transactional, but in my world, ALL sex is transactional. you will give away money to have sex with a whore.

but within a relationship, you give up money, attention, emotions... provide protection and most importantly, give up your most valuable asset = your time.

you are ALWAYS going to pay for sex.

[–]NorthEasternNomad2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We are in the same boat. I'm slowly moving toward genuinely not giving a fuck...but I want to observe how my increasing withdrawal of attention alters her attitude about me and consequently her behavior toward me.

[–]3chazthundergut[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You should get real trigger happy with ending relationships. The ability to walk away makes everything better.

Don't forget that there are tons of chicks out here waiting for a strong man to take them by the hand and dick them down.

You should be avoiding LTRs like the plague. And be ruthless with ending it. The moment she isn't working to improve your happiness, move on.

[–]omega_dawg933 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

OP, this is a very powerful post. thanks for typing this out.

[–]daddydraper 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

As you said, your time and attention are simultaneously your most valuable resource.

What you do with that time and attention is what matters. How you invest them.

The less you value something, the less you pay attention and spend time on that one thing. Of course, the converse is equally true.

When a man has his mission and knows, unequivocally, what his priorities are, it will rub people differently and they will look up to you as a leader and chase your validation.

Becoming that man, though, is difficult. Very, very difficult. But it's one key step on the way to self-mastery. A man who truly understands what his values are, and lives by them shamelessly and fearlessly, can conquer both himself and the world.

[–]3chazthundergut[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Correct. That is why finding your purpose and chasing after it is the single most attractive thing you can do as a man.

[–]ambiguouslawnmower4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Validating a woman is fine as long as you're not doing it from a place of wanting anything back from her. Which is difficult if you're really attracted to her

[–]omega_dawg932 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

you can't want back the time you've given to her. once you've spent that time and she's not given you anything in return, she's ahead of the game (on you).

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I enjoy social interactions. I freely give compliments when they’re deserved. My enjoyment is what I get from the interaction.

OP makes a good post for the spergs to have a simple hard&fast rule to latch on to. Real life gets some nuance added to it.

[–]omega_dawg930 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

what defines if they deserve it or not?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

My world my rules. Frame in a soundbite.

[–]PrettyRP4203 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

is there ever a point where you look at a girl as pathetic because she's always the one reaching out? since you're not reaching out to her, not texting her, not giving her any attention?

[–]3chazthundergut[S] 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Not really. There's nothing more satisfying than getting that needy text the day after a first fuck. At that point you know you've got her, and you can text her and validate her a little bit. Bit you should never blow up her phone or text her goodmorning stuff like that.

[–]PrettyRP4200 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

what about after the first fuck? and you know that you've got her....do you still continue to only validate her a little bit and let her chase you? do you ever reach out to her first or always let her come for you?

[–]3chazthundergut[S] 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I've started to let the woman text first after sex, however long that takes.

Most chicks are accustomed to guys getting really needy when a girl finally let's him fuck. Modern men tend to get super excited and over-invest when a girl gives him attention, especially sex.

You will set yourself apart if you don't text her. Let her reach out to you first. The natural order of things is for the woman to pursue commitment from the man.

After sex, your hunt is over. You got her most valuable prize. You convinced her that you were high value enough to fuck. You jumped through her hoops and passed the audition, and she gave you her pussy.

Now it is time to sit back and let her audition for your commitment. You aren't gonna give it to any old bitch, just like she doesn't fuck any guy who's interested. You are gonna sit back and let her do the pursuing. She is gonna have to jump through your hoops and convince you that she is worth investing your time into.

But you can validate her a little (especially if she is fucking you). Never more than she validates you though. Always pace yourself one step behind her.

[–]omega_dawg930 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

"the natural order of things is for the woman to pursue commitment from the man."

i know guys that would kill themselves before they believed or invested in this mindset. to them, relentless ass-kissing, spending money & time, and validating her every whim means, "you're gonna have her one day."

and they might...

but if they sit back and make her EARN your time, attention, resources, & emotional support (TARE), they'd have her in half the time.

men pursue the pussy... her valued asset; then, women pursue the commitment... his most valued asset. that's the order things flow in. or as rollo says, "there's ALWAYS sex before there is a relationship."

[–]ClassyNotFlashy2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Laughing at her shitty joke- validation

Okay but what if my girl throws one zinger after another? Like shes legitimately hilarious.

[–]3chazthundergut[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would laugh because it is organic and authentic.

Also you said "my girl" ... if she is validating you with frequent and enthusiastic sex, then you're allowed to laugh at her jokes you fucking autist ;)

[–]inspiredshane7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Tried to have sex with a girl, but couldn’t. Didn’t want to spend any time with her because I was afraid it might validate her emotions in some way. Thank God I dodged THAT bullet, amirite?

[–]3chazthundergut[S] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Nice try chica.

What do you think? Think you'd be better off showering some bitch with compliments and attention and neediness after she already rejected you? Good luck with that.

[–]inspiredshane-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wait... you’re telling me I have to bathe them too? Women don’t even practice basic hygiene anymore? Truly, sir, you have opened my eyes.

[–]Urfslam 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

How about we all just treat each other like human beings. No? Ok.

[–]3chazthundergut[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Part of a healthy relationship is reciprocity.

Why should I give a woman what is precious to me (my time and attention) if she is unwilling to give me what is precious to her (her pussy)?

Seems like I'm advocating the most fair and balanced perspective.

Women are just triggered by the idea that a man would set boundaries and stop letting chicks use him for his time and attention.

[–]omega_dawg932 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

true. and there are waaaay too many guys that will give them limitless time and attention-just to hang-out with them and be (just) their friend.

damn idiots.

as the saying goes, "if you're not fucking her, you are her GIRLfriend." patrice o'neal warns against letting a woman use you as her 'time whore.'

when it's time for her to move from her apartment, she'll ask you, watch you work, buy you a 6-pack of beer and pat you on your shoulder when you're done. later that night, in the bed you help setup, she'll call chad or tyrone over... to fuck.

be chad or tyrone.

[–]universalabundance1-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We live in a world where 'game' is necessary, especially in these times of cultural-insanity.

[–]tony88320 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]1883212 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fucking So True.

Wow.... This has always been in my wheelhouse, but I've definitely never verbalized it so explicitly like this.

Good shit bro.

You are right, we all need to get on board with this fucking immediately.

[–]IronPollack080 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

So how do you put this into action when you first approach a girl with the intent of getting laid?

[–]omega_dawg931 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

approach her like a man and treat her like a human being that breathes air and is affected by gravity.

instead, most guys see a big pair of tits, blond hair, and a tan and lose their cool, their minds, and their confidence... IMMEDIATELY putting her on a pedestal before they even find-out if she can spell, "wednesday."

mofos are ready to fight each other, fight in wars, jump from airplanes, bungee jump, safari hunt etc., but are afraid to approach a cute woman. what the fuck?

[–]Yesman30 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

So for college students - To hit on girls in the same class, should men ever mention about studying together or drop that whole thing and ask for coffee?

[–]Ezaar0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

No, I don’t think this can work out well. It’s equivalent to shitting where you eat fam.

This is my experience.

I think you can swing this over the semester and if you know you might not encounter the person in any class room orientation, then work it. Same major is equivalent to a work place in a sense.

[–]Yesman30 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah damn. It is true. So I guess the best solution is to just forget about it

[–]omega_dawg930 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

post was removed.

OP, can you copy/paste what you wrote again and send it in a DM? i want to pass it on to a few guys.

[–]Notsouh780 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wouldn't waste my time reading a book, or watching a tv show unless it was interesting and I got something out of the experience. Same goes for women.

Pretty simple really.

[–]Aureliona_sol 1 points [recovered]  (16 children) | Copy Link

If I were you guys, I'd validate the girl more so, better than being ignored if she doesnt like you because you are dickhead and salty....but alot of you guys are out to manipulate kinda feel bad for whoever winds up with that but that's the same reason I'll put men through a trial so I dont wind up with a guy who thinks so badly of women just because they have trouble getting them( before you guys assume I live alone, pay my own bills, sub at heart and I do pay for dudes time to time even friends, and yes I look good and yes have a bf) just see alot of hate but you can direct me to the reddit sub where women talk about men the way you guys talk about women...have yet to find it would be interesting to compare.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"You guys" - stopped reading

[–]3chazthundergut[S] 7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I'd rather ignore and be ignored by a chick who isn't interested in fucking me, rather than waste my precious time on her.

If a woman is willing to validate me by giving me her sexual attention, then I will proportionally reward her with my non-sexual attention. If she is fun to be around.

If she isn't willing to give me what is precious to her (her pussy) why would I give her what is precious to me (my time)? No thanks.

[–]sincerelystan-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

😂😂😂😂😂 how do you think so highly of yourself that your “non sexual attention” is a REWARD

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I recommend looking in the mirror and questioning why you place zero value on your personal time and presence.

Are you worth nothing?

Are you so completely noninteresting that your very presence is irrelevant?

Are you actually worthwhile yet giving away all you have for nothing?

Honestly ask and answer those questions. Your life may improve for it.

[–]sincerelystan1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bro. I place value on my time and presence. I don’t refer to it as a “reward” as if it’s an payment for someone doing something for me. Why don’t you just spend time with people with no creepy ulterior motive? Your life may improve for it.

[–]3chazthundergut[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The market value of anything is based on what people are willing to pay for it.

I base the value of my "non-sexual attention" on the ungodly things women will do to get it.

[–]ambiguouslawnmower3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

And this is why you should never listen to a woman's advice on how to be attractive as a man. "Validate the girl more" what a load of shit

[–]Aureliona_sol 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy Link

I said to validate more as to get more if a chance if you dont and odds are she will say fuck it because she isnt going to be craving ur attention when she has many dudes, at the end of the day u wont fuck her if she cares nothing for your attention and she cant want something u dont give her and she will move on same as you salty boy....women dont need your specific validation when they get it in abundance

[–]dpgproductions5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Implying that women are the only ones with options lmao. The only salty one here is you, but you obviously just came here for attention ;)

[–]uwotm8912 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Less is more...have you ever heard of that concept? Well it applies here. Wrong, if she equates your validation to every other schmucks then you’ve already fucking lost.

[–]omega_dawg932 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

bingo. this broad is actually saying that all attention is equal to women.

and that's bullshit.

women want the attention they want... from the men they're attracted to.

[–]ambiguouslawnmower2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fair enough. The best way is to give some attention and then take it away, rinse and repeat. Btw you no should try punctuating your sentences cause that was difficult to read

[–]uwotm8911 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

How did this get upvotes. Did you read the op? Did you comprehend it? You obviously don’t get it. DONT BE A WOMANS TIME HOE IF YOU WANT TO FUCK A WOMAN BUT SHE WONT FUCK YOU. This isn’t about manipulation, or thinking badly about women, it’s about not being used for your attention. The situation is the same as a woman keeping around a dude, who obviously wants to fuck her but never will, because she likes the attention. Don’t be dumb. Go play somewhere else. Bye

Edit: twoxchromosomes. A lot of “YOU GO GURLLL”. You’d love it

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