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[Video] AF BB in action. Hulk bod vs Dad bod

June 20, 2015


Summary: Two dudes - a dadbod and a hulk (painted green and all) interview girls in the park and try some flirting. Hulk gets results, dadbod gets rejections.

Lessons Learned: Lift. Don't let youself go. Don't give in to the belief that women mean what they say when they say they find the dadbod attractive. They don't.

Dad bod guy: "If you were to spend a night or a lifetime with somebody --"

Girls: "Well a night, obviously, someone who's ripped. Lifetime?...I could do dad bod"

Essentially, they're saying "I'd fuck someone who's Alpha, but I'd migrate to a beta who can provide for me when I hop off the CC"

Dadbod's trying to be sweet to the girls, screaming "I'm an orbiter!". Hulk is getting girls numbers, some of which have boyfriends. Dadbod straight up gets rejected every time, while the hulk doesn't have to ask.

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Title [Video] AF BB in action. Hulk bod vs Dad bod
Author Sketti-Os
Upvotes 90
Comments 133
Date June 20, 2015 2:42 PM UTC (7 years ago)
Subreddit /r/TheRedPill
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[–][deleted] 52 points52 points | Copy Link

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[–]DandyReps16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I almost downvoted you because of how much that comment annoys and irritates me. Dumbest shit I've heard from a woman (today)

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

WTF does that even mean? How insecure do you have to be, to be with an ugly partner to feel self worth?

[–]Interversity7 points8 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

When you're higher value than your partner, you get validation from the fact that you're the 'better' of the two. This is universal, it's not just women. She just said it straight up instead of sugar coating it.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

This is universal, it's not just women.

I have yet to see a man that wants a woman uglier than he is.

[–]Interversity-1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

That's a straw man. Men don't actively seek out women who are lower value, but if their woman does happen to have a lower value, there's some pride, however perverse, in being the better mate. Whoever is lower value is going to have to invest more, which is beneficial to the other. This is also the basis for dread game - if you suddenly rev up your value while your partner's has been stagnating, they're going to start working harder as well, to match you.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

that's not a straw man

what do men place value on? attractiveness. and most men, almost all men, want the most attractive partner they can find within their criteria

what do women place value on? money and alpha traits.

those girls dont want a partner who is going to have to 'invest more so its beneficial to the girl', they want someone who is shittier than them so they won't have to worry about getting left, because why would a guy leave a girl that is physically more attractive than her? (in their minds)

notice how the bitter fat chicks said they wanted the dad bod, because they feel like he is less likely to leave them

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm not saying you're wrong and i respect your opinion but from my perspective most men just want a hot girl that isn't a bitch.

[–]Interversity0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

True. I was just explaining that it's pretty common and natural for people to get a little ego boost from being more attractive than their partner (not hugely of course, dime pieces don't get validation from dating fat neckbeards)

[–]mate960 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course we do. It's just that after we don't find that unicorn and remain sex starved for a long time some men eventually compromise just to get some pussy.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

you have no idea what strawman is, he just rebutted your claim. It is not universal by that simple example. No man wants ugly woman. Though ugly husband to woman makes sense in a way that if he is ugly and has tons of money, he won't leave her, and if he does, most of it gonna come to her, so yeah, he is locked in.

[–]Interversity0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It is a straw man because I never said men seek out/want women uglier than themselves, thus he misrepresents my argument, which is simply that in the case that a man is higher value than his woman, there is an ego boost.

[–]pavista3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

When you hear the whole 'dad bod' shit I can almost understand the rationalization and what it means to men. To want the hot body and the short term relationship you have to be selfish in a TRP way. Because when you present to most men "You can do this and have commitment free sex, or you can spend all your time, effort and cash and get her to marry you". What it basically turns into is what you give, against what you get. Some guys seem more than happy to give 1000x more than the fit body opponents just to get sex. You can't 'logic' it out of them, they are built to be a provider. Both are being 'used' in one way for another (short term emotional satisfaction vs long term financial resources) but ultimately one is giving practically nothing while the other is giving his life away. Its almost a slave mentality, you speak to these men and they have honor in giving their life away. Its a source of pride for them to sacrifice themselves.

[–]jmotrain 93 points93 points [recovered] | Copy Link

That guy wasn't even that fat. He is probably in better shape than the average American man. Women still didn't like it. What does that tell you?

Be in the top 10% fellas.

[–]BlatantTRPThrowaway29 points30 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The difference shows up badly when he's A) standing next to a guy who's ripped; and B) said ripped guy is literally painted green, making him a lot more funny and interesting.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

True. However, being in better shape than that guy isn't terribly hard to begin with.

Reminds me of that joke about stupidity ("just think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are even stupider"), only with body shape instead.

[–]TheGillos1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I think intelligence is a bell curve. A lot in the middle, only slightly smarter or dumber.

[–]Interversity4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Intelligence can be a bell curve and the average person can still be stupid.

[–]TheGillos0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm just saying most people might be stupid, but many "below average" people are indistinguishable from "above average" people because of the large mass of people in the hump of the curve.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think what he wanted to say is that below or above average doesn't mean anything, if we don't define the average as stupid/intelligent/nearlyspongelike. It just means, as you said, most people are around a certain value. But that value may mean that a person with exactly this value isn't even able to learn another language. Even more interesting with the Flynn-Effekt, where IQ measurement of the population gets higher every generation but a dumb ass idiot from 1980 is still a dumb ass idiot today. Kinda shows the problem with 'intelligence is what an intelligence test measures and a intelligence test measures intelligence'

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Funny enough IQ studies on men and women while averaging the same have very different layouts on a bell curve. Women center around the mean while men to be situated on either end of the spectrum.

Granted IQ isn't the best measure of intelligence but it does focus on areas such as abstract problem solving and computation. This is why the great scientist, physicists, mathematicians, programmers will continue to be male but why we'll soon have more young female medical students than men (granted copious amount of financial aid geared to women only certainly skews the latter). The men who fall on the lower end of the spectrum tend to be those that fall in jail or become homeless.

[–]BattleDrillOneAlpha2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That guy wasn't even that fat

Whoa whoa whoa... yes he is. That dude is most definitely that fat.

He just seems like he has actually been in a gym before; albeit not in the last year or two. Besides that it is really telling that we have come to a point where you would say that guy wasn't even that fat.

I really hope we can fix this perception we have grown to gain where being a lard fuck is acceptable.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah right, I was gonna say dadbod guy isn't that fat compared to guys I see on the street. Funny after that clip the youtube pulled up an autoplay video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFIIfyFr2Vs. In this one they do "magic vs muscles" where the guys can't talk. One guy dresses like a hipster and the "muscle" guy looks like a weak homo.

[–]longerdistance0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

He is, it tells you to keep your bodyfat at 10%.

[–]RP_Student0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

For NYC (where that video was taken place I think) he is fat.

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I think my favorite part was when the one girl was like "keep it up". And he just goes, "it's always up." Excellent response.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad36 points37 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

The part where chubby tells Hulk Boy, "You're overcompensating and look like an ass" made me laugh. A bonafide SJW trying to shame for morality points because she knew the cameras were rolling. What they spin in public is very different from what they actually believe.

Edit: Uggos fit-shaming the attractive is on the rise. Learn to recognize a female bully when you see one.

[–]faded_jester16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's generally a pretty good indication you're doing something right if a SJW protests it.

[–]transitivecurves 6 points6 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I can't stand the way Sandman stretches the last syllable of his sentences.

[–]TyPerfect1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think he does it as a purposeful voice modification technique. If you change the cadence of your speech your are less likely to be identified in real life.

[–]NidStyles0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

He receives a lot of harassment online, so I could imagine him getting doxxed irl if identified.

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well I plan on listening to that lnik because I enjoy sandman's youtube posts, but I can see why they would say overcompensating. I mean, people can get turned off by tools. Personally, I wouldn't bang the dude painted up like the hulk.

[–]BattleDrillOneAlpha2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The best part was the Asian chick at the start and that fat chick a little bit after that said she wanted a ripped guy for a night and dadbod for a lifetime. Then she says the ripped guy looks like ass....

I wonder what her self perception of her shit body is.

[–]NidStyles0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It is just a shit test she threw to hamster her own laziness.

[–]prodigy2throw68 points69 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

I've asked about a dozen girls about dad bod and not a single one agrees with it or admits it's attractive. This is all media hype. I truthfully feel like dad bod is the best thing ever. If more guys fall for this the easier it is for guys who actually lift.

[–]RosewoodPill29 points30 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You don't have to ask anyone. It's completely obvious.

The same way how we are brainwashed to think Fat girls are sexy.. it's not working.

[–]rpreader10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you have to convince people you're attractive, you're not.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

This is actually one main reason that I want the whole dad bod phenomenon to take off. If more underachievers can find solace in knowing that women prefer dad bods as opposed to the aesthetic body, it may deter them from ever being even a remote competition to the ones who actually put in the hardwork in order to achieve an attractive physique therefore in way, cancelling out our competition.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Fuck that. That's a defeatist attitude. I want all men to lift which will make all women up their game. The world would be a much nicer place that way.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It boils down to a simple rule of supply and demand. If ripped bodies are the norm, then women won't find a reason to ever up their game. As opposed to the proposed scenario where only 10% of the men in the world lift and the rest 90% succumb to the dad bod, we will be nothing less than gods in the eyes of women.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Supposing that the men decide to pair up with these women. Men that lift have standards and the women will follow suit.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Gotta disagree. It's all relative.

I went to a highschool for fuckups so it was full of alpha dudes a skeezer ass girls.

Girls who would have had to pair up with 4ish dudes were instead garnering attention from 7s.

You gotta get pussy, and if you are around uggos constantly then a 5 starts to look like a 9 just by comparison.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree. Dadbod is just a false olive branch held out to men. If we accept it then obviously we're obligated to accept the mombod lest we be hypocrites (when I say we I mean the male gender as a whole. TRP won't stand for laziness). I mean the original dadbod post was centered around how it lets the girl feel pretty in comparison (IE: she doesn't have a drive to try and improve her looks or to invest into the relationship). Really it's just a lame ploy to further lower the effort a women needs to put in to be high value yet they do it at the cost of compromising the looks of their male counterparts.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Great example. Actually, that's the branch swinging we are talking about. I know a woman who in a moment of candor told me that the reason why she married this particular guy was because,"He is safe and boring and can provide for me."

AF to BB

[–]Endorsed ContributorScholarInRed14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Even those who say they prefer the Dad bod; the truth is in their eyes. They stare at Hulk's muscles, and you can almost hear them drip, then they look into Dad bod's eyes and put on a forced smile. Being so suddenly put on the spot, they're afraid to meet Hulk's eye because tingles.

[–]IronMeltsinmyHands7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Over-compensating and looking like ass

Fuck off you fat whore.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

Women don't care if you can lift a lot of weight, they want low body fat and "apparent" strength; in practice as long as you can pick her up without sweating like a pig after 30 seconds you're good.

Source: http://www.glamourmagazine.co.uk/celebrity/sexiest-men

[–]thefisherman19612 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Low body fat for sure, but a lot of the reason women find the guys on that list attractive is because of their status. I'd bet that if some of them weren't famous, women would find them creepy looking.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I used to think that was true, but from personal experience I get hit on way more when I was deadlifting 400 lbs with some extra body fat and i was busting out of my clothes. The thing was my confidence was extremely high. THen I went on a cut diet and took it too far. I caught myself touching my stomache a lot, a few times i found myself doing it in public and I thought of myself as a douche bag, and it hurt my game. I guess it's different for everyone.

[–]NidStyles0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

My experience has been the same. When I am near the level that gives me a sixpack, I receive far less attention and IOI's from random women than when I have been at my strongest.

[–]2red4u0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It depends on where you live too.

I live in a beach town, where you're going to be shirtless doing 90% of any activity during the summer, which is like 9 months long here.

Six pack raises you to near god tier pick up levels here, while being strong with a pot belly will get you jack shit.

[–]NidStyles0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Who said anything about a pot belly?

[–]2red4u0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I dead lift 400 pounds and have a sick pack, they don't need to be mutually exclusive.

Try for both and see where it gets you. It also can depend a lot on the area. I live beachside in a southern state, and six packs will make you stand out 100 x more than being pudgy but lifting heavier.

If it's purely the mental state that was making the difference for you, then you should be able to achieve that either way with practice.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Beachside southern state? me too.
Anyways I know this is great but even cooking 90% meals at home, working out 3 to 5 days a week I've never been able to obtain a slim waste when maximizing my strenght levels. Could be age, how old are you?

[–]2red4u0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm in my mid 20's.

The thing is you're going to have to take a hit in strength for a little while to get that lean look. It sucks because as men we want to be stronger, always. We want to constantly be building and seeing progress, but the ladies want to see that waist to shoulder ratio. They want to see that vascularity, and the six pack. Chicks don't give a shit what your actual lift numbers are.

So you have to basically suck it up and just cut hard for a while. Luckily I haven't actually lost any strength. I've stayed the same on squat, same on bench, with slight progress in deadlift and OHP. this is about a 14 week cut that I'm wrapping up now. Just up the protein to MINIMUM 1 gram per pound. I basically just eat 2 pounds of chicken, and broccoli, and two plain protein shakes with water every day. If I know I'm going to have to eat more, or go out that night, I just won't eat breakfast or lunch.

In the end it will only benefit you, because starting a bulk with the leanest frame possible will actually increase what your body partitions for lean mass and reduce what it sets aside for fat gain.

[–]TaylorWolf5 points6 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

More guys could pick up on this. A lot of male weightlifting culture is more about impressing other men than the women.

I am a firm believer in the golden "shoulder to waist" ratio. Spend most time lifting with shoulders and back for best success IMO.

Bicep curls are for the gays

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Biceps + triceps are actually good if they have a nice ratio. They're ornaments on your frame, they like a spoiler or some shit. Just to accent.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

A lot of male weightlifting culture is more about impressing other men than the women.

It's also about being better than people.

If you can squat double your own weight, and deadlift 2.5 times your own weight, you are literally stronger than 99.9% of the male population.

[–]4nn1h1l4tor3 points4 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Your body weight only relates to relative strength. Whether you're stronger than 99.9% of men is measured in absolute numbers though.

[–]NidStyles0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

In powerlifting your strength is measured relative to your weight, so his comment is accurate.

[–]4nn1h1l4tor-2 points-1 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

No. He said "99.9% of the male population". Nobody is talking about powerlifting competitions.

[–]NidStyles0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

He spoke exclusively in powerlifting terms about powerlifts. He is obviously speaking with raw strength in mind, which is all powerlifting is about. Those are competitive powerlifting numbers, no bodybuilder is going to be lifting at that level naturally.

[–]4nn1h1l4tor-3 points-2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

He said "male population". That's two words. That's not even reading comprehension 101.

[–]NidStyles1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Look aspie boy. It is called context, read my post again, and practice that reading comprehension yourself for a few seconds.

[–]4nn1h1l4tor-3 points-2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Read HIS post again. You're not contributing anything here whereas I actually did. Now go and fuck yourself.

[–]wh0p00ted7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The rump on the chick in the thong. Sublime

[–]Squeezymypenisy22 points23 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Just remember to work on game as well. Hulk bod will have them come to you in waves but if you open your mouth and autistic things come out then you'll have a bad time.

[–]Iupvoteforknowledge3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Simple fix though. Just shut your fucking mouth. As a bartender I watch good looking guys pick up girls all the time with zero effort. Barely say a word. Good looks will win over game every time unless you go full beta.

[–]Squeezymypenisy0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I will politely disagree. I have seen game work more often than few words spoken.

[–]Iupvoteforknowledge0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Your welcome to disagree. Just saying, I'm a bartender in a busy, nice bar. I see thousands of social interactions go down in a week. I see myself, status pumped from the job, get phone numbers and literally not say a word to the girl who gives it.

[–]Squeezymypenisy0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

That is impressive. How ripped are the men?

[–]Iupvoteforknowledge4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Usually pretty ripped but height and face seem more important. This one guy yesterday, big, but not ripped at all, had a 10 face. Girls were going up to his girlfriend and telling her how beautiful he was. I overheard one even ask if they did threesomes.

I thought, lucky son of bitch, he will never have to dread game ever. With girls flirting with him in front of his girlfriend, he has built in dread.

[–]NidStyles0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Frame goes further than being ripped, especially if you are jacked.

[–]LuvBeer9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. I would venture to say that dad bod with game will be more successful than Aspy hulk bod.

[–]Squeezymypenisy-4 points-3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Im not sure, its possible but dadbod is the lowest you can sink in terms of fitness.

[–]BlatantTRPThrowaway6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Then you forgot about how out of shape and fat America really is. Dad Bod is never anything to aspire to, but the guy in the video looks relatively "decent" as some people have pointed out. His is definitely not a bottom-tier body.

How do you rank in-shapedness, though? that's an interesting question I don't have a perfect answer to, but my guess is society views it Beefcake = super-toned > top tier "dad bod" (clearly exercises but has some fat hanging to him) > scrawny > fat > bottom-tier dad bod > morbidly obese > skinny-fat.

[–]Squeezymypenisy3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would put skinny fat ahead of morbidly obese. Myself my body is closer to a muscular soccer player but i do a lot of cardio.

[–]Red_SoloCup4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What's even crazier is that the Hulk bod could do whatever the hell he wanted and the girls ate it up. He hardly even needed game because his body did it for him.

[–]hirjd0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is true. It's where I'm at. No game but I can watch fags fail with girls and move in and snipe the interest. It's what I have to do. If I move in too early my lack of game fucks me. I have to wait until I see that FML look on their face and then I save them.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That was beautiful.

But reformat your post add in a summary and label lessons learned.

The whole dadbod thing was a counter movement to TRP guys, but it was obviously lies.

[–]Sketti-Os[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The post was pretty short, but I followed suit regardless. First non-asktrp post, so I'm still learning best practices :)

[–]VirgoRooster 6 points6 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Dad bod is silly. But hulk-like muscles are not the opposite of dad bod. The focus should be on having within the range of "correct" body fat percentage: http://bottomlinehealth.com/what-women-want-in-a-man-low-body-fat/#

Contrary to what the immunocompetence theory would predict, the men who had high masculinity ratings were not rated as the most sexually appealing, nor were their immune responses the strongest. Rather, the physical trait that ranked as most attractive among the women was having just the right amount of body fat—specifically, a relatively low 12% body fat (which would be typical of a man who was fit and slim, but not an elite athlete). Interestingly, the men with that physical trait also had the most robust immune system responses to the vaccine.

Here's a good comparison of body fat percentages in men (torso only).

It should be clear to anyone that the ~12% body fat is a relatively attractive one, but you'll notice that it isn't extreme. That's not Arnold or Rambo. The torso shown doesn't look hulkish. It's the prototypical persistence hunter's physique that would be most conducive to survival for a long period of hominid history.

That's not a bodybuilder physique, but more akin (in my mind) to a middle-distance runner, soccer player, or wide receiver. The more muscle you put on at the expense of losing that BF % --> diminishing returns.

[–]NidStyles3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That hulk dude is around 12%. He's just that jacked.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Too ripped isn't a problem for most guys.

Good info though.

[–]Osoto_Gari4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

From the comments section in that YouTube Video

"SoulSurvivorX2 1 week ago Some of those girls prefer the hulk bod when they look like a bag of bread themselves. lol"

"TheLordofShell 3 weeks ago How to get an attractive male body: Very strict diet, a couple of hours at the gym a day, supplements, effort

How to get an attractive female body: Don't gorge yourself on snack cakes

It's funny how women have played this one perfectly into their favor. Men are stupid as hell"

[–]qwertyleftme5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This defines red pill theory perfectly, as much as the dad bod dood might be a great dood women prefer the hulk. Shortsightedness is today's dogma. I read somewhere that in a society that is 40 % obese simply having a body fat % of 8-10% you will be peacocking. Thanks TRP! Off to the gym after studying.... thanks for the support!

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What next OP, a report on fire being hot?

Get the fuck off social media clickbait people.

[–][deleted] 3 points3 points | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

Yep. The "Dad bod" in this video looked fairly strong too. Not too different of a build from your pic.

Or how about Fedor Emelianenko..

This just made me think girls are even dumber than I realized. They don't want someone strong, they want someone skinny and/or ripped.

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[–]LuvBeer5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

They want cheating, manipulative pieces of shit over good guys. It's great.

[–]riding_stoned1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

....and guess what? At the end of it all, they (women) are not happy. Bottom line: leave a woman to her own devices, she cannot make herself happy. She needs a strong, forceful man to lead and control her before she can be happy.

I bet women living under the Taliban are happier overall than American women. And they know how to respect their husbands, cook, clean, and raise a family, so the men there are probably happier too! Except for the fact that America has been bombing the country for the last fifteen years.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

women want something that looks good over something that is functional.

Well, that's like prefering skinny girls over curvy ones.

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[–]4nn1h1l4tor0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Zyzz or "fitness models" are still more than strong enough when it comes to functionality. Deadlifting 800 pounds has nothing to do with a "functional" body. Some people have completely lost their grasp of reality. To stick with the example, Zyzz would still be in the top 3% of strength - but more importantly in his case in the top 0.1% in looks. And now don't do and tell me how you look better than he did. You don't.

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[–]NidStyles0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Zyzz is dead, so yes, everyone here looks better than him.

[–]relationshipdownvote9 points10 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

This just made me think girls are even dumber than I realized. They don't want someone strong, they want someone skinny and/or ripped.

Women don't control what they find attractive. They like low fat high muscle. You can't just be strong, you have to be ripped and cut. Women don't care how much you can lift, they care how you look, same way you don't really care if the tits are real or fake, as long as they look good.

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[–]relationshipdownvote1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Would you give a shit if they were fake as long as they looked good? What do you care if it's fat or silicone in there?

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It feels...off when they're fake.

[–]relationshipdownvote1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

fine, they look good, they feel good whatever, do you give a shit if she was born with big tits? No? That's the same reason women don't give a shit if you are actually strong or you just look ripped and cut.

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[–]relationshipdownvote0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

what does that have to do with whether or not you want to fuck her?

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[–]relationshipdownvote-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

the fuck does that have to do with attraction?

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[–]Doctor_Mayhem1 point2 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

That's my question as well. I noticed that most dad bods don't really have muscle. Just... pudding and pudge. But... what if you got a kinda sorta dad bod, but also a lot of muscle? In my case, got some injuries, and found out my Finasteride was killing my ability to lose fat, so I'm stuck with a kinda dad bod, but with 18 inch biceps and noticeable pecs.

[–]hirjd1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Body fat is the #1 determination. That gives you the cut jaw and facial aesthetic. You don't normally hit on girls with your shirt off. It's your face and forearms 100%.

[–]thisisme00070 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

I call bullshit on this. No such side effect reported. Use dutasteride if you really feel the medication is doing this.

[–]rpscrote0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

100% not bullshit at all. DHT and all highly androgenic steroids burn fat. Fina lowers systemic DHT, which is a god awful idea. Why the hell would you want to lower the most androgenic endogenous steroid hormone you have (e.g. the chemical that is most responsible for you being a man... more so than T itself).

[–]Doctor_Mayhem0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

I'm not the only one reporting some side effects. Around 10-20% of men reported reduction in testosterone. I noticed that the minute I quit taking it, I started experiencing less bloating, my injuries bother me less and actually seem to be healing, and libido has spiked back up. The official estimate of side effects from Finasteride is reported to be at 2%, but on the other hand, we're expecting a big pharma company to be trustworthy.

For more information, Samseau, contributor at RoK, has made a forum thread here about it. http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-47924.html

And just so you don't think that it's just him and me, here's the official Propecia forums to find it for yourself. http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/

Of course, if you're using steroids, you should definitely take Finasteride, but for some men, you may get worse side effects than others.

I should also point out, that in my case, other than my hairline taking a hit, I don't naturally produce heavy amounts of DHT, anyways. I think for men like me, Finasteride would be more likely to cause a Test drop.

[–]rpscrote0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

it's not lowered T. It's lowered DHT, which is the goal of the medicine. DHT is a powerful steroid on its own right, highly androgenic (body hair, fat burning, water retention, etc.).

Fina won't do jack shit if you're on exogenous steroids. All it does is block 5a-reductase which converts T to DHT. The only thing that works against exogenous steroids are competitive androgens which bind to the androgen receptor and thus competitively occupy the AR against stronger binding steroids. ru-58841 for example

You need to research this more. Google "masteron" which is an injectable steroid most closely related to DHT. It has a ton of positive effects. You absolutely DONT want to lower your DHT systemically, just in the MPB region.

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I know about Masteron. It's a DHT-derived steroid originally intended as a treatment for breast cancer and of Gynecomastia. Finasteride (don't call it Fina, as that is a slang for Finaplix, a veterinarian steroid) is used exogenous steroids to prevent prostate swelling and hairloss.

GLL has more dirt here: http://www.goodlookingloser.com/entry/get-juiced/hair-loss-prevention-guide-part-5

Anyways, as I've shown, I'm not the only guy reporting such problems, and such problems as reported by me and Samseau here, are similar to those reporting a lower T count, not just lowered DHT. You're right on DHT being a powerful steroid, however. Many of the most powerful steroids, such as Anadrol, Masteron, and Winstrol, are all DHT derivatives, but DHT is primarily a very powerful androgenic (5x as androgenic as Test, but with uglier side effects).

[–]rpscrote0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Finaplix is Tren, and thats what people call it nowadays. I've seen people call it fina like 20 years ago when you couldnt find UGL tren and you had to mash up fina pellets.

finasteride is a shitty drug that reduces one of the key hormones that makes you a man. I dont know why men would take it. Just get some ru 58841 and lipogaine and mix them together per the GLL post on the topic. localized AR competition with no systemic side effects

[–]Doctor_Mayhem0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Well, if you're suffering from prostate swelling, and your doctor tells you that your choices are to lose your prostate and never fuck again, or take Finasteride and reduce the swelling and cancer risk, well... we all know what choice to make...

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My bad -- thought you were talking MPB prevention. Prostate issues are a whole different ball game

[–]Doctor_Mayhem0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, that too. Finasteride started as a prostate thing, then a lowered dose got used for hairloss. I'm talking about MPB, but figured I'd give you the original reason for the existence of it.

I dont know why men would take it.

I was kinda tossing out the other reason.

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What's really weird is that there were actually a couple girls who genuinely preferred the dad bid guy. A couple lied just not to appear shallow, but some actually preferred the doughy dude.

I have noticed this with girls whose favorite uncle or whatever was a big fat fuck that they like a dude with some flub. Weird but true.

[–]Valentine-Toronto 2 points2 points [recovered] | Copy Link

The dad bod guy had more charisma and was socially dominant, and is more likely to commit to a relationship.

Those girls would prefer the ripped guy IMHO if he had the same charisma.

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Yeah I think part of the reason the little excess flub didn't matter is because the guy didn't give a fuck.

Plus he wasn't like skinny fat or anything.

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I don't know why this is still a thing, a redpiller should never fall for this shit, I'm pretty new and have so much still to learn, yet even I know you should judge a girl by her actions and not what she says. The Dad bod is an excuse not to lift and is also what a woman will probably tell her man to have to tie him down. Any girl who prefers the dad bod is insecure about herself and doesn't feel worthy of a guy with super high SMV, so in order to save face she'll play it off like she's not attracted to him.

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I apologize if someone said this but what I found interesting here is that the dadbod guy seemed to be more confident than hulkbod and ladies still went for hulkbod. If that doesn't slap you in the face with a reality stick then I don't know what the fuck does

[–]Subtletorious0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Dad bod" is an internet meme started on March 30 2015 from a single 500 word essay. It has no basis in reality.


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Social value is #1. Both guys have none.

[–]StarDestinyGuy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's not even that bad of a "dad bod," as far as those go.

Obviously he's not super fit or anything, but he's still a hell of a lot thinner than most American men.

[–]moose_war0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I love that attitude like "You should be happy- after all, we ONLY want to fuck the hot guys, the dadbod guys get to be our boyfriends =)"

Do women really think they're that much of a prize? Do they really think a relationship with them is some kind of paradise and not just more suffering for worse sex? "You will have to commit and work for Chad's leftovers...doesn't that make you happy?"

[–]TheDialecticParadox0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

A fair amount of girls said they prefer the 'dad bod'. So I don't think either one, 'won' per say.

Then again, women say they want one thing, then go and fuck the complete opposite an hour later. You can't trust what they say, especially in public, around her friends, and with a camera in their face.

[–]Professor_Pussypenis0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

"I don't look at appearance"


[–]1sardinemanR0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Dad bod guy is short, we have no idea what editing they did, and even Hulk guy isn't really in that good shape. He also stands out for being...green.

If they reversed this, and dad bod was the tall green guy with the smoother approach, maybe he gets better results.

Point is game is more important as is status. Any gym you go to, I can show you ripped dudes that suck with women. I was one of them, and I know because I knew the other dudes like that, I lifted with these dudes.

You can't really pay much attention to what women say and these types of videos. Just work on yourself, make sure your game is tight and you're taking care of what you can.

But it's a mistake to think women are interested in the same things a man is. That's the mistake women make, as a man you won't ever care what job a woman has and what her degree is in, but women care about that in men. Don't take the women's mentality.

Take care of your body because being fit and strong and healthy is good for YOU. Don't work out because you're trying to pick up women.

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That's dad bod? it's not so bad he's a little more fat than myself and I bust ass in the gym 5 days a week and cook 90% of my meals. I still drink a few beers. Like those 2 chick s on the ground, he's overcompensating. Besides, painting the guy as the hulk was stupid. They shouln't have changed his appearance.

[–]Lemeiux-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What if you have a dad bod and you've got good game? I've seen dad bod alphas, and even alphas who are fat, with really hot girls. Not trying to neglect the need for lifting, just making an observation.

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