What All Pretty Girls and Champions Know But Can Never Tell You

January 2, 2020

Hey. This is a post I wrote on the seduction sub, and which got very popular among the guys there, but some mod deleted without a valid reason, even without any violation of rules.

Either way. A couple guys messaged and asked me to re-post it here. So here you go:

Men and women are good at different things, and have survived largely by exchanging their services.

Tiny, initial margins turn into big, long-term advantages. Men are usually not as attuned to these tiny, initial differences in investment as women are. And that, in effect, becomes their advantage.

By getting men to make that tiny, initial, emotional, social and energetic investment on the front-end, a cascading effect ensues, and results in a situation where the women get to pick and choose with minimal downside. All the while receiving protection, support and provision from every angle.

They hedge their bets and focus on growing their options before committing. Growing the pie before eating it. It's smart, and we men should learn from them.

The solution for you and me is; don't get fooled. Learn to abstain from making the initial investment based on her physical attraction and lure. See through it. See through the lies, the fakery and the image (mirage). Without getting bitter.

It's not that women are evil for doing this. They're smart. And almost every chump falls for it and gets a sour deal. But you don't have to be one of them. This is good news for you, because you'll have little competition by being one of the few guys who 'get it'.

Every guy who 'gets it' knows this subconsciously. But most of them can't explain it because they've had it from an early age and don't know what it's like to be a chump.

Perhaps they were handsome and chased by all the girls from an early age. Or their dad was a gangster and taught them a better way. Or they were just naturally confident or charismatic. Or even sort of a sociopath, allowing them to disconnect from the standard narrative.

Most girls also don't think this stuff consciously. It's in their genes and in their culture.

At bottom, it's a societal narrative, naturally evolved to keep all the chump, discontented men who are not gonna be participating in the gene-pool in any meaningful way, still contributing to the society and the economy, still behaving well and not causing too much trouble or outrage.

Again. Abstain from making the initial investment. The pretty girls are so used to and addicted to getting this, because of all the benefits it brings, that they will start chasing.

"What do I have to do to get it? A smile, maybe? Moving a little closer? Shake my ass and expose the 'goodies'? Dress up and put make-up on? Post sexy instagram photos?"

"Oh! There it is. Invested like all the other guys. Thousands of likes. Every guy I meet salivating. The approval of society. Now I can enjoy the rewards, with no need to give up my sexual favors to any of them. Or just to the party boys I choose, or one champ if I can find/attract one. Pretty good deal, right?"

You must learn to resist the lure. Usually by going out and getting fooled a bunch of times. Again and again and again. Thousands of times in my case, and in the case of everyone I've seen going from true shit to awesome at this.

Slowly but surely, you must learn to see through the marketing. And instead of putting your precious time, effort, emotional investment and problem-solving capabilities into a pretty girl who just runs away with them, you must put them into yourself.

You must put them into your own systems. Building a business/career. Reading A TON of books and educating yourself. Becoming financially independent and well-off.

But instead of being bitter towards women and just crying and masturbating for all those years, you choose another path. You still go out and meet women.

But instead of giving up your investment for an empty promise of sex—a smile, a nice face, a fat ass etc—you develop your own individual criteria and your own standards. Away from and stronger than the ones society feeds you.

You discover that a girl who is a 9 in looks can be a 1 as a human being. You experience the horrifying results that can come from investing in her. And you learn not to be fooled. You discover how rare quality people and quality girls are. You begin to question if they even exist.

You actually get laid enough times to see that sex doesn't really deliver on its promise. It's just a human with a hairy, stinky asshole just like you, whom you put your penis in and out of until you cum, and then it's over and back to just like before.

Seriously. Next time you fu*k a pretty girl—have her lay on her stomach, then spread her asscheeks apart and look at it. Sniff it. Is this what you've been chasing?

What slowly starts to happen when you reverse course is that girls start chasing you.

They can feel that you're not taking their bait, but everyone else is. "So why won't this guy?" She must find out.

Is there something wrong with the narrative she's been fed, rewarded, but also imprisoned by all her life?

The potential collapse—but also the potential freedom—from her entire, socially constructed world, lurks in the shadows.

No. She can't allow that. She must get the investment. She must find out. Are her most secret hopes and dreams about to come true? Are her deepest, underlying fears, terrors and suspicions being confirmed? Or is it both?

Her worldview must be confirmed, as it always has. She must be right. Am I right or am I wrong? Am I good or am I bad? We all look for this type of confirmation and approval. We want the world and its people to confirm our notions and beliefs. Our rightness.

And so she chases. She starts inquiring and buying into and investing in your worldview and your standards.

What she finds there will determine everything.

"If he doesn't bite on this, what will he bite on?"

She tries more.

"Maybe some kissing... Now we're making out... But he isn't reacting like he should... He isn't putting me on a pedestal like everyone else. He seems to enjoy it, but doesn't latch on."

She feels that she could leave at any time, without affecting you in any significant way. You don't give a shit. You're not impressed by her little facade. Not fooled. Only amused. And so she gets more and more invested.

She fu*ks you. How about now? Sucks your co*k.

Maybe she has to hang out with you more. Then become your girlfriend.

If at any point in this process you compromise or sell out your investment in yourself for her, then you're done.

But if you stay on your grind... If the focus and dedication to your bigger vision as a man doesn't deviate... Proving the strength, truth and superior foundations on which your universe is built...

Then she's gonna want to keep investing. She's found a champion.

Why wouldn't she choose the vastly better option if she has any sense? If she's a quality woman with good values and self-respect, she's not gonna give up a true champion like that for the sake of going back to the empty approval of an endless array of chumps.

Besides, she still gets that on social media and from guys everywhere looking at her.

Hopefully, if it's a girl you're gonna invest in over the long term, she's been brought up in a solid family with a champion father and good values beyond her looks and the empty approval it brings.

She values education, intelligence, fitness, health and building something for the long term—just like you. And then you keep investing in each other, bringing your different strengths to the table, building a fucking empire.

Of course, by the time you're worthy of this type of a situation, you've probably banged a lot of other chicks and built something respectable in terms of education and business. You're on a comeup with lots of ambition, momentum, zest for life and a solid peer-group.

Otherwise, why the hell should a top-notch girl be interested in giving up her other options in order to be with you? It's opportunity cost. You have to be the best alternative, and with sufficient (but not excessive) availability, for the right people to wanna invest their time, energy and resources in you.

What I've described here is not easy. It takes years. I'm 23 at the moment, have been on the grind for about a decade, and am nowhere near where I think I could or want to be.

I'd say I'm in the process of incorporating these things now, and it has taken years and years of grind.

Lifting weights since I was 13, learning the discipline, walking the path, reading everything I could get my hands on since a very early age, getting into pickup extremely early, going out literally hundreds of days and nights sober, and talking to thousands and thousands of girls.

Climbing up slowly, falling down, crying for a while, then dusting myself off, correcting the broken bones and giving it another go.

Reading a couple hundred GREAT books so far. Constantly processing information and trying to do better. Busting my ass in various jobs. Doing door-to-door sales for 8 months.

Working in a startup. Learning from countless mentors in real life and through the internet and books. Going back to school and now educating myself in science and computer programming.

Just grinding forward one step at a time. One gym session at a time. One nutritional adjustment. One approach. One interaction. One hour of reading. Forcing myself to do that one most important work task or finish that project. Again and again and again.

All the while suffering and doubting myself. Being confused. Looking for help or support. Looking for sources of information and people that had solved the problems I was facing.

And I don't even think where I am now is very impressive. I'm pretty much still broke, even though I've been able to make a little money entrepreneurially besides my studies in order to eat. I am quite jacked (ripped, strong, fit).

And 'pickup' is getting easier and easier. I've been amazed at times when just doing so much less in the club has resulted in so much more. Less effort, less action, more results. You can put me in pretty much any sizable city in the world, on my own, and I'm confident I can go out, talk to anyone I want, meet cool people and over time date and get laid with hot girls.

I was also not particularly talented in these areas to begin with.

I was a weak and skinny kid. It was harder for me to put on weight, muscle and strength than for a lot of guys.

I was so socially backward that you wouldn't believe it. My dad has been socially inept and anxious his whole life himself, so I didn't have great role models.

I spent years just being confused, almost never talking in social situations. Scared out of my mind. Afraid to look people in the eyes. It took years to even somewhat correct and learn how to deal with this. Years of pushing directly and aggressively into fear. Starting with very small steps and building.

The one big advantage I think I have had is sheer curiosity, and a decent amount of drive for certain pursuits. A very obsessive nature that doesn't let go easily.

Voracious reading certainly helped a lot in several areas, from fitness to pickup to business. I've always been incredibly curious, and score in like the 96th percentile on the 'openness to experience' trait on Big Five.

Anyway. This isn't really about me. But the vision I've described here is not unattainable, given the right amount of drive, intelligence, persistence, integrity and even some luck. Probably a good bit of luck, to be fair. I don't think any of us would have accomplished much being born 200 years ago or in certain countries etc.

To summarize:

Following the standard path and the standard narrative is not gonna be good for most guys. The standard outcome will be very bad. Most of society will never tell us the truth, or try to help us with this type of information. Many of the guys who have tried have met with vicious resistance and attacks from the mainstream.

The momentum and the entropy, in other words, is against you. And it is incredibly hard to reverse. But the good thing is that if you're able to reverse it and get the momentum going your way in a tiny but significant way, over time the compound effect can work in your favor. It can build on itself to your benefit.

But it's up to you to get it going, to take the long and scary beating and drudgery of reversing course and going against the current. And it will be a beating. A front-loaded beating. So it just depends.

If you're willing to take it now, you may have a chance at a truly outstanding and extraordinary life. The things you can learn and discover could be incredible. Things that no one has seen or done before. A real adventure.

For those who need the comfort of the herd and are unable or unwilling to break out, I personally think the majority are going to get a much worse beating down the road.

A beating called "your whole life is a lie, and you will be a slave, being told what to do, selling your time and your energy for crumbles on the ground while getting the shit kicked out of you by society and women for the rest of your life. Your potential will be gone forever."

Or, to quote Ernest Hemingway at his best: "You will die like a dog for no good reason."

I suppose that may apply to all of us. But let's cheer up while we can, haha.

Peace out.

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Title What All Pretty Girls and Champions Know But Can Never Tell You
Author asknorway
Upvotes 1240
Comments 173
Date January 2, 2020 6:37 AM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit /r/TheRedPill
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[–]1laserdicks468 points469 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Seriously. Next time you fu*k a pretty girl—have her lay on her stomach, then spread her asscheeks apart and look at it. Sniff it. Is this what you've been chasing?

I fucken died 😂😂

But(t) can not deny this truth.

[–]PhaedrusHunt162 points163 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Speak for yourself. I only date women without assholes.

[–]Ivabighairy146 points47 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So you only date single women?

[–]1laserdicks12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy Link


Don't have to take their shit then!

[–]DrNoAwS2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Shit then literally comes out of their mouth instead ... so he does have to take shit either way.😉🙈

[–]EdvardMunch2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Im not surprised this was top reference. Im considerably weird as fuck but this part just turned me off.

Compounding the reminders but personally you just gotta improve yourself and all this falls into place without having to spread cheeks.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillcad145 points146 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

but some mod deleted without a valid reason

men and women are different

Your post, even though sound, was deleted for thought crime. It also made some soyboys upset when you mentioned a man should be choosy

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet41 points42 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's why the original ECs left seduction in the first place and founded TRP.

[–]BlueMyLoad6920 points21 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Butt sniffing didn’t help...

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillcad44 points45 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think when he said judging women as people rather than assume all women are wonderful was too much for the normies

[–]D_Marquis19 points20 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Saying women's asses stink also didn't help

[–]Vynxe-Vainglory19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Indeed. Can’t let that sort if misinformation slide.

Next they’ll be saying that women breathe the same air!

[–]Zech4riah250 points251 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Great post without bitterness, hatred of women, misandry victimhood or overzelousy but still filled with substance.

Also maybe your post was taken down because you said or implied not-so-popular triggering truths.

[–]BlueMyLoad6991 points92 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The part about having a girl spread her butt-cheeks so you can sniff her asshole probably ruffled some feathers too 😂🤣😂🤣

[–]yomo8630 points31 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The seduction community is full of people with the right tools and the wrong attitude. One of their mantras is not 'getting better' and girls will follow but more along the lines of 'when you get rejected the 'game' was not on point'. So in their book a 400lbs guy can pull a 9 just with the right game. It is projection and rationalization all in one.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The seduction community is full of people with the right tools and the wrong attitude.

Unfortunately for them, attitude is the most important tool.

[–]winningace164 points165 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

But choose girls depending on your stage of life.

If you're looking for a wife look for features of a good wife (this isn't just appearance, as that's actually not that important. all girls look boring after a while anyway). if you were to shop for a car, you'd look for the features you want. do the same.

Now, if you're looking to just have sex anything goes.

[–]IClogToilets166 points167 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Appearance is important in a wife. Trust me.

[–]Balderdash7931 points32 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A Baptist preacher was bragging on his wife's cooking.

He said it is important to marry a woman who can cook good biscuits.

He went on to add that you need to make sure she is some kind of pretty, too, because you have to look at her over the table while you eat the biscuits.

[–]winningace46 points47 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

To an extent. Majority of women look awful after kids anyway. As women age you'll always want the younger more fertile one anyway. Instead look for properties not just looks.

[–]Cha_Cha_cho63 points64 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

a woman can keep her looks if she takes care of her diet (they dont age like a man tho). I've seen good looking women only to find out they're in their mid 30s.

[–]winningace32 points33 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

you do you.

but a newer car is always better than an older one no matter how much an older car is maintained

[–]Ramp_Up_Then_Dump22 points23 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think he means if you have a fucking awful old car, it will be hard to resist a new one. But a maintaned old one may be enough to keep you going.

[–]noserotoninforu41 points42 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Mark IV Supra has entered the chat.

[–]Foolishoe6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh look new supras in 2020.

[–]FreeRadical57 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women can keep her looks... and the best example you come up with is mid 30s lol. You do realize most people are just getting married then and have a possible 50-60 years ahead with that person? So even by your admission, looks should not be a focus.

[–]Kyomeii14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Only if they don't exercise. You shouldn't even consider LTRing a woman that does not exercise, let alone marrying.

[–]Rock_Granite39 points40 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I've been married for over 30 years. Looks are HUGELY IMPORTANT. Jesus, you gotta look at her face and body every damn day. It's imperative that you can stomach that for as long as you are together.

[–]winningace15 points16 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

also, it swings both ways. girl could be hot but if she's stupid or you don't like her what's the point.

[–]DrNoAwS0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Stupidy is not a problem. That can even be entertaining... but bad looking is a no go. And to be honest you can't have both: a ten in looks and a 10 in intellectually. So everybody's gonna decide for his own in which compartment he s gonna compromise.

[–]winningace2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Each to their own. Stupidity means you have to fix their mistakes. No time for that shit. And your kids will be dumb. Next gen need high IQ to even get a shot at quality standard of living.

[–]DrNoAwS2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Having kids is for sure a different story.

[–]winningace6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not saying to go ugly man! Don't blow it out of proportion.

[–]1asknorway[S] 121 points122 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

To the guys talking about tools and techniques and 'outcome independence 'or 'indifference game' to get your penis inside or whatever, I don't fuck with that stuff anymore.

I'm not all that interested in discussing or arguing about what would theoretically work or which technique or thing to say is superior.

I just haven't found that to be very effective, and don't see it being very effective in the guys I hang out with or coach. If they do get good results while thinking like that, it is in my experience despite whatever technique or tactic they think they're using.

I did that for years and hung on to the whole 'game is my saviour, do it like this, physical escalation like that, somersault bongodrum. wipe my ass.'

At a certain point, it was just obviously holding me back, and I started seeing some crazy stuff when I just let go of that. Hot girls coming up and making out from nowhere, getting laid while feeling like I'm doing nothing etc.

No longer this struggle where I had to prove myself and push against some mysterious resistance.

But I don't know. It took several years and several thousand approaches to start to realize that. Hopefully it could go a lot faster for someone else with better info and less ego.

Although I suspect a lot of dudes are just gonna keep living in la-la-land, where the perfect, theoretical, technical fantasy gets priority and is valued above the messy, but actual reality.

I don't think a quality girl gives much of a shit about the little 'tool' you found on the internet.

My consistent experience has rather been that it just tells her and everyone around that you believe deep down that you're a piece of shit who needs some obscure tactic for another human to like and wanna be with you.

And after all, when talking to a stranger—what better source does she have to gauge your actual value than your own evaluation of yourself? You've known yourself for a lot of years. She's known you for a few seconds.

We're just evolutionary creatures. Here because the DNA of our ancestors down to single-celled life were slightly more able to survive and replicate than the others.

If she's gonna be with you, what would affect her more? Your internet technique that you found on a forum, or the reality of how you live your day-to-day life, how you deal with problems, how people treat you etc?

In my experience, talking about xyz term or tactic as a solution or plaster just distracts from what really needs work.

But whatever. Do as you wish. These are my cents per now. Take them if they're useful to you. Ignore them if not.

[–]Zech4riah34 points35 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I'm not all that interested in discussing or arguing about what would theoretically work or which technique or thing to say is superior.

Guys talking about these things and asking "what should I have done/what technique should have used in situation xyz" have not "ascended" yet. They are not able to or they are just on the beginning where they still need some kind of framework. But I assume you already knew this.

These days it's starts to be annoying when friends ask things like "It's been 3 hours, should I reply to her message now?". They are so close to the wall that they can't see the whole house.

[–]1asknorway[S] 16 points17 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I very much agree with that. And fair enough, you know. I wasn't able to ascend from my bullshit initially without some sort of external system from other people that I could abandon myself and latch onto.

As I think I wrote on the seddit: Game doesn't really exist. It's a mirage. We made it up. It's a lie we invented in order to get us into a place where we could handle the truth.

[–]SoulRedemption2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

The game exists. It is just not what people have understand it to be. It is not a sport where you can use "techniques" to get to the top. Some naturally have it, some don't

Nice piece of content, really enjoyed it.

[–]tyronethejabrone7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

He didn't say 'the game' doesn't really exist. He said game doesn't really exist.

You see game as one’s ability to pull chicks. OP sees 'game' as a mirage to what is simply possessing an appealing reality.

[–]SoulRedemption3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The game that I am referring to is the social dynamics between men and women.

What I am trying to say is "the game" that people refer to is not the same as the average built "rules" around it (I.e. techniques on how to pick up chicks) with a misconception of the foundation.

Edit: OP addressed this misconception in a sub where the foundation is based on the outer (superficial) experience as opposed to the reality underneath. The second he called it a "mirage" you can guess why they thought this piece is going against the grain.

[–]Hock3yGrump0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It is not a sport where you can use "techniques" to get to the top.

Machiavelli and most politicians, marketers and actors would 100% disagree.

[–]Hock3yGrump0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

These days it's starts to be annoying when friends ask things

I'm pretty sure that means at some point in time, you yourself were really annoying. Don't forget that and blindly put yourself on a false pedestal. You are the one choosing to hang out with "those friends that ask those questions", the only person annoying you is yourself. Move on or help them. So, you either hang out with them because you feel superior, or you are too scared to run with bigger dogs.

have not "ascended" yet.

There is no such thing in the first place. Understanding 2+2=4 does not mean one has "ascended".

[–]Zech4riah0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I guess I triggered someone who keeps asking those questions. :/

[–]Hock3yGrump1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, you really "ascended".

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K1812 points13 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I mentioned Outcome Independence and indifference game.

Not as shitty, superficial tools, but actually as part of who you are and a natural result of being invested in yourself and things other than women.

That's the difference with PUA and RedPill. Pua fakes those those things, RedPill teaches how to become a man for who those things occur naturally.

Prize, indifference and outcome independence. As natural traits, rather than gimmicks.

Your post is good, because it aims at becoming a man who does the right stuff as a result of actually becoming the right things. It's aimed at substance.

Don't mistake it though. Talking about investing in yourself and not women, not taking their bait, doing so much less for more, IS prize, indifference and outcome independence. It's also extremely non needy or desperate.

It sounds as if you've moved from a community that sees these traits as 'pick up' tricks. Actors. You've moved into a community where we encourage becoming a man for whom these things are natural. You don't think about them or 'perform' them. You experience them as who you are.

Edit: the more I think about your post, the better it is. I wanted to add, it's about guys needing to grow and change their perspective on things. The 'game' behaviours and attractive male traits RedPill pushes is NOT pick-up. The mentalities aren't to be performed or done for others. Or put in a script, or whatever. Totally wrong context.

The traits of a RedPill guy, are real, human traits of a guy who gets it. They are his actual experience and authentic being. This is what guys don't do. They do it all for women, and to get pussy. It's an act, done for performative motivations and validation.

When indifference, outcome dependence, prize, amused mastery and everything become REAL and just a natural state, is when you've had the realisations op has had. You see the world for what it is. You see people for what they are. You have more important things in your life than pussy. You have legitimate priorities and real shit to invest your time in. You see PUA as a huge waste of time, and performing for validation as a sign of weakness.

Many many guys will never become like that. It's a pursuit outside of game, pick up, women etc. It separates the men from the boys, the real from the fake.

[–]RacistMuffin1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I would say PUA does follow a pattern that mimics a red-pill mindset which is only visible through a male-female interaction. Red-pill teaches you the value of abundance, non-reactivity, holding your ground, maintaining frame, etc.

PUA on the other hand follows through several techniques that follow that ground but by no means enforces these rules into your day-to-day life.

For example:

A natural red-pilled man would constantly not feed and give a female validation, but will still put in 2/3rd of the effort that the female is giving to you during an interaction. But, it is noted that a red-pilled man will not give compliments and call out bull shit in an interaction and states his reality/opinion without the care in the world of the female's validation. Therefore comments often occur within the interaction may speak the Red-pilled man's mind where he approves some qualities of the female, but disapproves others which creates a spark since you are providing a defaulted emotional rollercoaster.

That technique is known as push-pull which enforces sexual escalation through non-physicality in a male-female interaction. Which is often mentioned and used to keep sexual tension high and creates a sort of "challenge" for the female.

The difference is one is merely not a technique if you're truly following a red-pilled lifestyle that is fixated on following your own reality. And the other is a technique that is taught, but not explained and mimicked by PUAs just for the case of 'pulling' the set. Which often or not makes several beginner/intermediate PUAs uncomfortable since they aren't used to not giving female validation.

[–]Hock3yGrump1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

TRP is whatever gets you laid. PUA is part of TRP, just like Dark Triad and any other "angle" that gets you pussy. TRP is basically learning not to repeat the same mistakes over and over again while sitting around wondering why your girl life sucks.

There is this idea that one form is the best, there may be a strategy that works at a higher percentage than the rest, but that singular form does not define TRP, it simply defines potential side effects of that strategy.

[–]repfive3051 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Biggest thing for me was negging. I did that several times and it just didn't work.

Girls like confidence. I was mixing up being manly and telling it how it is with negging. You don't need to neg. You can still have confidence and unwavering in your opinion without bringing others down.

[–]furbysaysburnthings1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Negging in the context of non-sexual relationships are almost always a sign of insecurity. Is it a bad thing? I don't know. It can be effective though. If someone else is kicked beneath you, that rises you up.

[–]Hock3yGrump-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My consistent experience has rather been that it just tells her and everyone around that you believe deep down that you're a piece of shit who needs some obscure tactic for another human to like and wanna be with you.

Your opinion of what a "piece of shit" is, is irreleveant. Mother Nature doesn't care if a shady douchebag no good dirty liar is getting laid.

You are giving a world view based on a small resource of "the guys I hang out with or coach".

[–]huggyblossom60 points61 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, outcome independence is a strong tool, BUT you got to initiate and display interest, keep flirty-touchy and bring spark.

Acting like a big brute and not providing proof of status will NOT get you laid, especially if you wait for her to come to you without displaying interest.

Act like it's fishing - drop the rod, hook her and then drag her little bit more with each interaction.

[–]Work_ln_Progress29 points30 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

You have missed the point. By going through all the steps of dropping rods, hooking and dragging her in across multiple interactions, you're playing her game and doing things for her.

If you truly become a man to be sought after, you'll encounter women during your day to day, hobbies, etc. They will pursue you unprompted. It will freak them out that you don't respond to their charms the same way as every other guy.

[–]huggyblossom36 points37 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Believe me that unless you are top 0.1% income or Bradd Pitt or 6 pack lean and muscular and show it, you will get close to zero approaches. Aka the Chad the author points out. This is valid for my country and I doubt it's not valid for USA as well, being a visitor couple times in the past decade.

The example I will give you is me - 31 years old, own my own place (mortgage), have a decent car (japanese not german and not sports trim) and my income is 250% higher than the usual for my country aka i am upper middle class. Physically I am 6'1 and 18% bf atm (cutting down to 12 this following months) and I look at face 7-7.5 since I am pretty young looking, dress good (prestige brands, nice watch, good shoes and haircut) and while I get constant looks and IOIs I have been indirectly approached only in Night clubs by upper 20s to late 30s, when women are not scared to approach and show direct interest. However for the 18 to 27 crowd I had ZERO obvious approaches, every time I approached and showed interest it was easy to take them out. However without initial hassle I doubt that If I don't change style aka peacock (BMW, tattoo, visible muscles) the majority of women will do something more than an IOI.

And to continue discussion with your arguments - I get IOIs, but due to the fact that pretty girls are validated 1000 times during their day I highly doubt they will approach, especially since my country is high on macho scale and girls are used being approached by man. And yes I had been approached, but by women I will vomit easier than make an erection for.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not particularly physically attractive and I wouldn't say I get zero attention. Women will talk to me once in a while. But the bigger problem is why would you want to limit your options to the gene pool of the 5-10 females you meet in your workplace or hobbies? Half of them aren't that attractive, and the other half aren't very interesting.

Meanwhile, I can go hit a club or music venue and talk to 40-50 women in a single night. Vs. 5-10 women in the span of an entire year. OP has to be really out of touch to think that he's somehow getting ahead by limiting his options.

[–]IvyExcess5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

That's because you are selling yourself as beta bucks nonverbally so if you run game for pickup looking like you do its incongruent. If you want girls to approach you, dress like a guy who doesnt give a fuck. I get approached by girls at the club when I wear dirty Jean's, dirty boots, a plain black tshirt, leather bracelet, beaded necklace, and a toboggan. I have muscles but I'm not huge. I smirk. I smoke. I dance. And they will find a way to get my attention expecting me to take them home that night.

I got directly hit on at a coffee shop wearing motorcycle boots, motorcycle pants, a tight fitting yoga style tshirt sitting in a chair minding my own business and she sat down and did all the work for me.

Go to the club and look at the dudes who actually fuck girls and see that what you are doing will never work.

[–]RacistMuffin1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Mark Manson follows the topic of vulnerability. Following the idea of giving away power first, and then taking it all back and even gaining more power along the way by DHVing.

Yes, you are validating a female and showing interest to her when you approach which may seem as a 'low-value' move. But, you have to understand that in order for females to know you are of high-value that isn't simplified to just external value such as honest signals, you need to start an interaction.

Who gives a shit about giving away validation at first. If she sees through the interaction that you are a man of abundance, then it doesn't matter if you approached and gave away power initially at all.

If you want to go to this extreme, would a female not see you as confident when you cold-approach?

And this idea of him being beta-bucks automatically is so stupid. Yes, he contains provider traits if he's wealthy which is known as beta traits. But, if he displays a healthier balance of alpha traits, it will thaw that out and see him as an "alpha".

[–]IvyExcess2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

This is all great sounding theory, as is a lot of what Mark talks about. But im talking about where the rubber meets the road (or... something a little more moist). Yes, approaching is "vulnerable" but it is only that if you go into it with this mindset. The last chick I slept with, I met at fucking Waffle House. I sat down next to her at the bar, and guess what my opener was that was SOOO vulnerable and SOOO power giving and DHV...."What did you order?"....We were having sex in the bathroom within 5 minutes of that all powerful ASD-Smashing nuclear bullshit.... But I digress.... Was I wearing a nice watch and tweed pants and a fucking pocket square and bowtie coming from a fraternity party.... No. I was wearing dirty boots, jeans, a t shirt, a beaded necklace, just came from the club, was SOBER, and just happened to be in the right place, right time, right attitude, right girl, and I know how to play the fucking game at this point to win.

Yall need to understand this....there is so much to this but really, there isnt much to it....we are animals playing dressup. The rules have dissolved, no ones playing by them anymore. So ditch the courting behaviors, stop dressing like a fucking accountant. Dress like a dude that fucks girls, isnt a fucking preppy douche, and look a woman in the eye with a burning desire to put your dick in her vagina, and then BACK IT UP with your spine and muscles, not to take her to the park and go for a walk. thats pretty much all it takes.

wanna be vulnerable? truly vulnerable? do exactly what im telling you to do. Put on fuckboy clothes, go to the bar, and the first chick that makes eye contact with you, walk up to her and say "you look like trouble. lets get out of here" while staring into her eyes. I guaran-fucking-tee you that whatever happens after that, it is the TRUEST barometer of your manhood. Can you take her hand, lead her out of the bar, take her somewhere and make her feel like a woman? or are you gonna fold like the fucking paper alpha you are and confirm what her reptilian hindbrain was suspicious of - that you hestitate when its time to pull the trigger, and that means that on the battlefield or hunting field - you are a fucking worthless meatbag who deserves to die without ever replicatiing your pissweak genes.

[–]RacistMuffin0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Hahahaha, all I'm getting from this is that you fully utilize dress game/peacocking or peacocking theory.

In my case, I actually agree with you that peacocking works wonders. I've done it plenty of times at raves/festivals and I always manage to makeout or finger a bitch there.

The problem I have with this whole context isn't against your idea of what you should dress. It's more so on how guys follow the idea that you shouldn't approach because you're "a man of high-value and abundance, females will naturally come to you". Which is bull-shit most of the time since you should still approach when presented iois.

Girls have a greater fear of rejection and approach anxiety. Have you seen that shitty feminist buzzfeed video of women approaching men? Unless you want a masculine ass female that tries to initiate you as a 'set', I'm good bro.

[–]IvyExcess0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

ive used peacocking theory and yielded massive results, but this most recent pull, the only thing i had on that was "peacockcy" was a single stranded beaded neacklace that I made myself. Females do naturally come to me, but they dont walk up with a sign that says "please fuck me". they come up and stand next to me at the bar, dance in front of me, linger in my field of view when im chillin at the coffee shop, sit next to me and play with their hair. i have said this before - females making themselves available and you not having game are two way different things. Most dudes are fucking clueless. Read "Undercover Sex Signals" by Leil Lowndes. if you cant get laid after reading that book - idk what to tell ya, other than...come work for me cause your life is pointless lol.

[–]RacistMuffin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think that's what most guys are confused on "women will come to you naturally". They throw choosing signals like what you stated, but they wont directly approach you at all(maybe in rare cases).

And I'll check out that book, so far I'm doing good with women but always want to add more to my rotation haha

[–]Hock3yGrump0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The example I will give you is me


Believe me that unless you are top 0.1% income or Bradd Pitt or 6 pack lean and muscular and show it, you will get close to zero approaches.

I don't believe you because my life experiences say the opposite. Character and Personality is more important than looks.

The real issue is that most Nutsacks assume they have good personalities and refuse to accept the idea that they actually do not, therefore blaming physical looks or financial status.

[–]TheEgyptianConqueror44 points45 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

That's just... Impractical. Unless you're born super attractive or really tall or you have a lot of money/power, you're not going to be the kind of guy women just approach.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you truly become a man to be sought after, you'll encounter women during your day to day, hobbies, etc. They will pursue you unprompted.

Every experience I've had has told me that is inaccurate and won't work. Even the girls I met at work or via hobbies required game. I had to walk over and talk to them and ask them on a date, full stop.

And you sort of missed the point with the fishing analogy. Believe it or not, the point of fishing is not to catch fish, that's why most people throw their catch back into the water. It's a hobby. The fun of pickup is pickup itself. It's thrilling to feel chemistry with a new person. It's exciting to go on mini adventures with new people. And when women throw "charms" at you it's not what you think. They are out playing the game too. Thinking your "above it all" isn't attractive it's just a put off.

[–]largepaycheckaddict0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You need to engage in the mating dance to some extent, even if you’re a typical chad. If you don’t reciprocate interest by being somewhat flirtatious and charming she’s gonna forget about you and move on. She will see your behavior as demonstrating a lack of interest. This stuff really only works on low value women who are maybe 2-3 tiers below in looks who NEVER have high value men show them attraction.

This does not mean being an overly supplicating beta showering her in compliments and gifts and blowing up her phone all day every day. It means making seductive eye contact, touching her and feeling as if you’re entitled to do that. Strike while the irons hot so she gets addicted to your dick and doesn’t lose interest over other prospects. If you’re jacked send her a pic (nude or semi nude) from the locker room after a workout or something. Get her sexually excited for you and stamp your image in her brain. Set up dates once a week or every two weeks if you’re busy.

As a guy who’s tried the aloof game countless times, it almost always fails. What usually works for me is displaying some interest, even a lil lovey dovey but not being clingy, creepy or weird about it. Women LOVE to feel loved but they’re also fickle as fuck sometimes so while she may reciprocate those lovey dovey feelings just be aware women don’t honor their word like men (or real men rather). They follow wherever their emotions lead them so don’t be all “that fuckin bitch said she loved me then fucked brad 2 weeks later”. Of course she did, she’s a woman. She was horny, and brad wooed her. Maybe she’s a completely unloyal ho or maybe you just didn’t get her addicted to your dick. Just keep playin playboy.

[–]Hock3yGrump0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

if you wait for her to come to you without displaying interest.

A man with "Outcome Independence" would never sit around waiting in the first place.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper55 points56 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Good material. Pointed and pinned.

In the future, make it shorter, tighter, more focused on your thesis. People are only going to give you so much read time. One idea per article. Every sentence should explain or expand upon that idea.

Cut the autobiographical stuff to a bare minimum, and use it only when it provides an interesting narrative hook. Your audience here is bathed in testosterone... they don't care about the speaker, only the speech.

This would have been improved by cutting out everything after

Otherwise, why the hell should a top-notch girl be interested in giving up her other options in order to be with you? It's opportunity cost. You have to be the best alternative, and with sufficient (but not excessive) availability, for the right people to wanna invest their time, energy and resources in you.

[–]1asknorway[S] 21 points22 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

10/10 feedback.

IME, this kind of feedback often gets lost, either because people don't wanna hurt your feelings, don't know what they're talking about, or obviously want to drag you down.

Or because the receiver can't get over themselves, and get defensive and closed-off. Which is what I almost always did before, but have learned to sometimes refrain from.

And of course, it can sometimes be challenging to distinguish with all the factors mixed up. But you did well. Quickly expressing good intent, then unemotionally describing where you see potential for improvement, and letting me take it or leave it.

Doesn't mean I must automatically agree 100%. But I'd be insane not to carefully consider it. And you seem to be making a valid point in this case. I partly write for a living too, so removing those blindspots is worth a lot.

I.e just another long and perhaps not properly condensed way of saying thanks.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper28 points29 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Nah, I get ya.

Bothered to give feedback because you come off a promising writer. And if that's part of your job, that's not surprising.

Keeping it short and tight is almost always good, but for TRP it's particularly critical for several reasons. Not only does high traffic lead to short attention, but the audience is looking for that which is actionable and helpful.

The first part of what you wrote provides insight and is extremely actionable, but the later bits come off a bit like what Marines would call "moto". That makes it rambling and unnecessary.

The ethos of TRP is that we don't have time to waste on people who need an inspiring story or exhortation. Our target audience is those who know they need to take focused action, but just need guidance on what that action needs to look like.

[–]DomDotCom138 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree, wasn’t a fan of the personal anecdotes.

[–]RStonePT5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'll second that. I glossed and had to go back a second time to take it all in (most probably won't)

It makes sense you'd originally posted on seddit. It reminds me of the wujo post from one of the top of all time posts who I belive was mostly a seddit regular

[–]1asknorway[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. Never really used Reddit until a week or two ago. So would make sense that I'm not yet that well adjusted to the culture, subcultures etc.

[–]Highroller424233 points34 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Good post bro. I think a more succinct analysis would say that women only date up socially and if you are playing hard to get it signals them you are a higher social status and they instinctively want you more. And their instincts are probably correct.

[–]1asknorway[S] 34 points35 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Sure, but as I've commented above. I don't think 'playing hard to get', or playing anything, is the most viable or effective solution. Especially not in the long-term, and in fact can be destructive and distractive.

Why do I need to 'play this or that'? If I'm just a guy who knows he's gonna die, has a decent of idea of what he'd like to do and accomplish between now and then, and understands that life will present him with a whole bunch of opportunity costs (aka tradeoffs where choosing one thing excludes other things)...

And if I also go out and see that, contrary to popular opinion and the disney narrative, pretty women can be absolutely horrible human beings, having sex with them is fun, but not exactly what it's made up to be, and definitely not worth having your entire life ruined and compromised for the sake of a good nut...

Then the 'playing hard to get' becomes totally unnecessary. My reality is that most people fucking suck. They have nothing that I think is of interest to bring to the conversation. They haven't read a single good book their whole life. They watch stupid shit 5 hours a day, and the rest goes to being a literal slave.

And that includes most hot girls, plus that many of them are completely nuts and would derail me from the shit I'm more excited by in life by selling out.

It just becomes a natural screening mechanism. I don't give her a break just for being hot, because I've seen this stuff time and again. I think 90% are retarded. And I actually think that.

Where I used to think that because they're pretty, and society says they're awesome, and she just humiliated me and laughed at me in the club, that must mean I'm a piece of shit.

So I just look for people that I think aren't fu*king retarded and annoying. And that literally excludes almost everyone. And I see what's left, and then we can start having a real conversation, and I can slowly invest in her if she proves at every point that she's among the select type of people I like to hang out with, AND she demonstrates her willingness to gradually invest in me.

So many guys make the assumption that they're just fundamentally flawed and count themselves out. It's like they can't realize the girl could be attracted to THEM. And so they build on that assumption with a bunch of techniques or tactics or gameplay etc.

BUT THE ORIGINAL ASSUMPTION IS THE PROBLEM. We need to work on getting rid of that. Then things open up.

It's a really insidious form of social conditioning that in many cases is hard to root out. But it must be done. It doesn't matter how intricate or ingenious a structure you build if it's built on false ground, on a false assumption.

What needs to happen for you to just actually think that you're the kind of awesome guy whom it would be weird if hot girls didn't love? I'd argue that's what guys need to do. And it is hard. In many cases requires an almost complete restructuring over time. So it's easier to latch onto a system of techniques.

And that's fine. But I observe that most guys who commit to that over time eventually get so much pain and resistance from it that it eventually allows or forces them to drop the faulty assumption, and then shit starts becoming easy.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K187 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

There is a process of change.

Unconscious incompetence

Conscious incompetence

Conscious competence

Unconscious competence.

You're talking about a level of unconscious competence. You no longer have to think about the game.

This is great, because with your conscious mind free, you can focus on other stuff. Like naturally how desirable and high value you are. You just do, and don't 'think' about it.

But guys need the system. The process. It's not that game doesn't exist, it's that you're in a phase where you no longer consciously think about it.

Telling guys it doesn't exist, is a form of 'just be yourself'. They go out and fuck it all up.

Dynamics of attraction exist. Psychology exists. Eventually, though, you do it long enough with conscious effort, you no longer think about it. Which frees your mind for other stuff, not thinking about techniques and tactics anymore.

Eventually you become Neo - 'I don't dodge bullets anymore, now there are no bullets'.

[–]1asknorway[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's a good comment, and I mostly agree with you.

To perhaps rephrase, I'd say that game—if defined as some magic and secret formula that you get from outside, apply, and then suddenly and sustainably overcome the fundamentals of who you are and how you live your life—does not exist.

The reality where you need to get the fuck out there and talk to thousands of girls over time in order to distinguish and develop an intuitive feel for the social dynamics, psychology, human mating tactics, competition etc is quite real, as far as I can tell.

I suppose what I'm partly bashing here—and for sure with the biases of my current situation, problems, stage of the journey etc—is the way in which the obscure/technical terminology, and the whole culture sometimes facilitates a view that in the long run distracts from fundamentals (which I'd definitely argue that your marketing/communication/'game' is a part of)—and makes guys believe in a said magic, external potion.

If dedicated to the process, I think one discovers over time that WHAT you do is relatively inconsequential, subservient, and besides a consequence of WHY you do it.

So while I absolutely agree with you that the starting place must be taken into consideration, and that for many if not most guys it is necessary to have some form of that cultness, ideology, terminology, belief in a single external solution etc—I have also experienced time and again that by doing practically nothing, or by doing something that it would make zero sense would work in and of itself, I still get the results, simply because my WHY and my fundamentals were strong.

So for the first few years of my involvement in this, my focus was all on the doing. Doing usually meaning approaching. And my mindset was that the more I did, the better I'd get, and the better my results would be.

And my god did I DO. Frantically and obsessively running around great parts of Europe and approach, approach, approach, on repeat for years.

And that was likely necessary and important. But no matter how much I did, and how far I progressed on this imagined journey of 'game', the results were not at all what I'd thought or hoped. I could go 3-7 nights a week for months without getting laid once.

And then having experiences where you eventually burn out, and you decide to go out and stop doing so much. Which is hard because you're so addicted to doing at that point. But then every time you refrain from doing, the girls love you and flirt with you, and every time you give in to doing, believing that the results come from the doing and not who you are, you get punished. The attraction dies.

So it's been a very interesting journey where what helped me the most became what stands in my way the most.

But yeah. I don't know. You make a good point, and thanks for the nuance. I'm just a guy dealing with my current issues like everyone else.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K184 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, I think I totally get where you are at. Obviously I'm relating to it from my experience.

It's a very very important stage to get to.

Dynamics and certain things need to be understood. Especially if a guy is codependent, fears rejection, is extremely needy or just a plain 'nice guy'.

He needs to go through some understanding of how to cut all that shit out.

But even that stuff can not be looked at through the lens of 'game', but real life human growth and development. Working on you as a person.

I agree with a few of your points. Trying and 'doing' is horrible. It's performative. And 'game' is a big act for attention. Not just in terms of attraction, but it sub-communicates someone who is needy, insecure and not comfortable with just who they are.

The more you improve as a man. The more comfortable with yourself and confident, less is always more.

It's a difficult thing to explain to many guys, because they will always turn it into 'oh, so I DO this and that'. No, you don't need to DO anything.

What I see in your post, is you reached a point where trying, performing, acting all became pointless.

That's when guys drop a mask and become authentic. It doesn't feel like you're doing anything. You're being YOU.

I was the same. The more high value I felt myself to be, the more experience and shitty things I let go of, I was doing so much less, but getting results.

Pook talks about this stuff though. You feel and think you're attractive enough on a real level, so you just 'be'.

There are stages to red pill. At first you learn attraction 'techniques'. The more you become a real guy of value, worth, experience, you let the techniques go.

They are there when I need them, and I know how to pass shit tests when I see them and if I'm ever stuck there are 'tools' I can use.

But constantly 'gaming' is for a guy who doesn't believe that HE is good enough.

It's not a suprise your constant approaches in the past didn't work out how you expected. If a guy is still 'doing', 'trying', 'performing'...then he's just reinforcing and getting better at mistakes. Women smell performance.

You've started to just be you. Not this bullshit 'pick-up' game so many get stuck trying to perfect.

[–]1asknorway[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Very hard to isolate the variables in these human matters.

[–]omega_dawg934 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

90% are not retarded... but 90% are on, "make me happy bc my life sucks" prescription drugs.

source: Walgreens and cvs in Katy Texas... the home of the disgruntled unsatisfied mom who's driving a bmx x6 and doesn't work... lives in a 5 br home.

[–]Haytch12340 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link


What helped me the most when it came to getting laid was fixing my attitude regarding original assumption. I assume the girl already likes me. This places the power of the interaction with me - I dont need to qualify myself. I already am.

Eventually it gets ingrained into you that you are indeed attractive and all women like you. And the only way you fuck it up is by saying dumb shit rather than having to learn special tricks and skills to pick women up and get laid. Women sense this and are attracted to it. Because you give off non needy vibes. It carrys over to all parts of life. If you think you are the shit, people will also think you are the shit.

[–]PatrickIIDX14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What slowly starts to happen when you reverse course is that girls start chasing you.

This does not apply to guys who are not attractive to any woman.

[–]dasCooDawg13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't know,... it's not as simple as ignoring women you are interested in. There are a couple of things here form my subjective opinion:
1. It's an art form (obviously), it's a game, you have to know when to give, to get, and vice versa. You can't just bunker down, that's called MGTOW, which in the end "If you don't play the game, you are losing the game.
2. Be uninterested AND excellent. You can't have one without the other.

[–]one_pigeon2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He has some good points but yeah it could be tighter.

Basically, don't be desperate/ needy/ thirsty. Thing is, this is a Catch-22 for guys who ARE very thirsty for pussy at the moment. What are they going to do, pretend they aren't? It's pretty hard to. You pretty much have to be getting regularly laid to not be super thirsty, and even then, some guys will still act goofy/ desperate around a "10" who is "different."

There's a few Blue pill beliefs in his treatise.

"Make sure she's from a good family, champion father, solid upbringing, she will be Magical, Disney, and Different, and Not Like the Rest, and Won't Cheat on You etc. Especially if you are a Champion, then she definitely won't cheat and you can do the Disney Marriage thing."

Like, any rookie guy is going to convince themselves the "hot chick" that managed to blow them is different, good family, and is a magical princess. Like every other marriage that ends in divorce, lmao.

By the way, I'm not sure a "good Christian family" or whatever bull plop actually means a girl won't be a thirsty slut.

[–]jojojijo33324 points25 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

tl;dr: don't chase, be the prize, have a purpose, vet her and increase your SMV

[–]SoaringEagle11_119 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Newbie. Have a doubt. Do we just not take the bait and maintain IDGAF and do nothing? Why would she not lose interest and just swipe 100s of dudes on tinder?

[–]sumpfbruderschaft2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Same here. I share the notion of the article, but have no clue how to translate that into to day game or a conversation. How do you withdraw that initial investment? Bombard her with questions/vet/neg? Naturally, if your super chad this won't be a problem, but I always feel the need to indirectly communicate value(talking about the cool things in my life/banter). What would be an alternative or different way?

[–]EntropyForeverx6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

All rationality goes out the window with men. I've always been fascinated how pretty much 95% of men are so desperate for pussy that they will sacrifice their own life for it. If all men were rational, would we have a better society? I think yes: woman couldn't be thots anymore. They would have to focus on the qualities of a good wife if they want to attract a man. This would benefit society as a whole. This is why most societies and religions look down on thots.

[–]SeasonedRP7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You're only 23? This is a great post and extremely insightful. When I was reading it, I thought it was written by someone much older and more experienced. I'd say you are a natural in some respects. The following paragraph really stuck out to me: "Perhaps they were handsome and chased by all the girls from an early age. Or their dad was a gangster and taught them a better way. Or they were just naturally confident or charismatic. Or even sort of a sociopath, allowing them to disconnect from the standard narrative." The understanding in this paragraph reflects the knowledge of someone much older. Good stuff.

[–]1empatheticapathetic2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

People are going to get to these perspectives earlier and earlier, because of the material already available and the effect of that causing society and social interactions to change quicker. Either get on board or watch everyone pass you by.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K1850 points51 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Got a tdlr, brov?

You're really talking outcome independence and indifference game.

[–]skippwiggins0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

If you can’t spend five minutes to read one of the top ten posts ever on this sub, then you aren’t ready man.

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[–]skippwiggins3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Regardless, it’s a great post and if you can’t spend five minutes to read it, you got bigger problems.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K183 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not really top ten. It's a great post, and a simple reminder for guys to see the world for what it is, and put more investment into himself.

Which, essentially, is what RedPill has always prompted.

I think it's a good post. It's the expression and delivery which hits home.

The content, though has been said many times.

[–]RogueThief712 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is probably the best thing I've read thus far on the topic. It's accurate and fair to paint women as humans that are simply incredibly socially intelligent and subconsciously play 4D chess to win the game with wits, rather than as evil seductresses sent up from hell to destroy the lives of men.

After all, every human is fundamentally the same, we're self interested, we're not out to give away sexual or financial charity.

The best advice I can give isn't really advice at all... Once you truly stop caring, that's when the success pours in... Of course, the inherent downside is that if you've generally stopped caring rather than erecting a facade, then you don't care about the success you're finding.

Like the girls who chase your attention because the social media likes are short lived and empty - you'll become an empty shell that isn't fulfilled by being chased. The irony, it's almost depressing.

The upside is that you'll meet some genuinely extremely interesting women that you'll talk to and get to know and of course some of them will be very attractive. Although the idea of fucking them will obviously cross your mind (and to be honest lilely for them too) it will not consume you and control you.

[–]Heisenski17 points18 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This was an outstanding read.. thanks for sharing.

[–]gjfarma4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I love the article but I'm confused as to what the initial investment takes the form of, that I'm supposed to be not partaking in. Staring at her ass at the gym? Liking insta pics? Approaching a hot girl in the street?

[–]Danolix1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll say this as personal advice but when I approached and talked to a girl I didn't know for a few minutes before she disappeared, after I stopped talking I learned that while I was gone on a trip, she was searching for me and found me attractive, I must point out that the first impression you give to someone is probably the best one you could give.

[–]repfive3054 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Wow. Crazy because I've been thinking about posting something very similar. When I was in my early 20s I was a bitter dude that didn't understand why I couldn't get girls. I would chase, chase, and chase nonstop. I would read some pua stuff which helped some but my insecurities and neediness would always shine through.

That is until about a year ago (late 20s now). I really started to get into good shape after 6 years of lifting, and over the past 9 months I've had sex with 13 girls, and really started to realize this post is 10000% true.

When you build value in yourself, you will naturally start to attract girls. Combine that with years of practice talking to girls, all of a sudden you have a ton of options. You truly stop caring about losing one hot girl, and then they start coming like crazy. My progress culminated with me fucking 2 9s in one weekend in late November, then realizing I need to step back and find out what I really want. One was a prostitute that makes $700/hr. And she went back and fucked me for free. Is that the kind of girl I want to be with? Not at all. I can now be choosy because of all the effort I put in to building myself. After years I finally have the confidence to approach any girl and truly not care about rejection. Because there are 6 other girls on my radar. 2 years ago I would read about this kind of thing and try to get into the mentality that I was the prize, but I haven't really espoused it until recently.

Improve yourself for years and years, and then all of a sudden you're better than 95% of guys.

[–]1asknorway[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Step by step you get ahead. But not necessarily in fast spurts." -Charlie Munger.

I agree. The big thing for me lately has been realizing how little it is about the 'doing' that I thought it was all about.

At first, I just kind of subconsciously thought I was an unfixable piece of shit. Perhaps largely due to some issues with my father and other stuff.

After I discovered the PUA and self-dev stuff, it become all about the doing for me. "I may be a piece of shit, but if I just do enough approaches, I'll get good at this just like another skillset."

So I ran around putting in massive effort approaching thousands upon thousands of girls for several years. Chasing this elusive point where I would just be "really good."

Definitely a step up. Gained lots of social experience, ability to pick up on nuances and subcommunications, tolerance to social pressure, mental toughness etc.

But the experiences that really started to blow my mind in the last 6 months or so happened when I decided to go out and peel off those layers.

Where I did practically nothing, and had mindblowing experiences where BEAUTIFUL girls just loved me and were all over me even though I wasn't doing shit.

Again and again in the last six months, I've had it where I just stand on the dancefloor. Not dancing. Not talking to anyone. Not approaching.

And then girls just come up to me again and again and again, touching me, dancing with me, grinding their ass on my dick, kissing me and even us going home together.

I've had nights where I basically don't approach at all, and have way better night's and 'results'. So my thesis was wrong. Necessary, perhaps, but wrong. It wasn't all that doing which directly caused attraction.

Of course, after all those years and those hundreds of night, I could spend hours talking about why this happens. Won't do that here, though. But it certainly is interesting.


[–]evolvaer16 points17 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I kept reading until you wrote you're 23 and have been grinding for a decade. No offense kid, I really thought you were going some where with this.

Nice idea, but you need to be more concise. You haven't been grinding for a decade. You've been aware of the opposite sex for a decade.

And that hardly merits the length of this writing.

[–]1asknorway[S] 4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I don't need to do anything you say.

It depends what you mean by 'the grind'. If the only thing you can conceive of with that notion is talking to chicks, then sure. Although I did find PUA at about 15 and have gone harder with it than the vast majority of people alive, including the ones that are in it or know about it.

I personally think it consists of a whole lot more than talking to strangers, though. I'm talking about the fact that I started lifting weights in a systematic and highly consistent way at age 13.

That I was reading every training article I could find on the internet at age 14 and implementing with the result of going from the skinny and weak dude in class to the strongest guy in my school.

Then basically just took those principles and implemented in the next arena, and the next, whether it was pickup, sales, education etc.

But hey. Like I said in the post. I'm not really that impressed with myself or my results either. It's a beginning only. But at least I'm out there doing stuff instead of sitting at home talking with strangers on the internet about the snipers you use in your video games and such.

And yes, I am being slightly ironic and condescending here in good reciprocal fashion, even though I don't know much about you. So whatever dude. Merit schmerit. Good luck in the new decade. Peace out.

[–]evolvaer8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I didnt ask you to do anything. You are the one who wrote a manifesto and published it publicly.

Kudos to you for putting in effort. But you haven't learned brevity and being concise in your point.

This is an admirable, albiet naive attempt. Imagine a 14 year old sitting you down to tell you the truth about "the grind".

This is how you come off to adults reading your post.

[–]Korrangar2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not going to lie, it felt the same when i read his age. But people love it and it stills stands correct.

[–]Americandreambruh4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is the knowledge he learned invalid because he gained it while he was young?

Is a child violinists Knowledge of Music invalid because they learned it when young?

Obviously not to both

[–]1asknorway[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

For those asking for books I recommend, here's my Goodreads list with ratings/reviews:


u/toxicmaleitis u/schroedinger11 u/IntoxicatedWeasel

[–]unn4med2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Seriously. Next time you fu*k a pretty girl—have her lay on her stomach, then spread her asscheeks apart and look at it. Sniff it. Is this what you've been chasing?

Do you need a talk my friend? hahahah

Thanks for writing this

[–]Vynxe-Vainglory3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This post is the red pill.

Excellent message and kudos to whoever directed you to post here.

[–]Joey_Lopez2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The part that most betas don't get is that females get way more from then we get from them. They get the same thing from us that we get from them, just a whole lot more on top of that. We continue to provide benefits long after she stopped being hot. Even the little things like paying for a meal and drinks at Applebee's that they think ain't nothing adds up. Then they think that's nothing but they don't want to come out of pocket for it.

Once you actualize as a man you see that it's the girl that is lucky to have you, not the other way around. It is her that should earn you and work on keeping you happy.

[–]1asknorway[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

While I think that's definitely true on some level, I'm quite confident that if one focuses on growing the pie (aka investing in oneself), and then selects people (including women) carefully and well—then arrangements where you both come out with positive ROI are not only possible, but very much commendable.

It's just rare. Which is not all bad, because it means those who are willing and educated will tend dominate and end up in those favourable situations.

And I kind of like how the world forces us to be better if we want the superior outcome.

[–]Joey_Lopez0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Remember that it's not all positive. You actually have to build value like TRP teaches. Some men will fail and have to accept the short end of the stick.

[–]ForeverInYou2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you so much for this. I'm still kind of beating myself for ending things with my LTR. By I couldn't live in a lie. I had to force myself to be with her because I was supposed to. I didn't wanted to loose my chance of real love, of someone that loved me like no-one ever loved. But here I am, a whole world at my disposal. I can do anything, and your post summarizes my struggle to be who the fuck I want to be. All my destiny in my hands, I control my universe.

[–]HorvathRed2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The post has some quality notions that newbies could always use as refreshment of how to have frame when you already have built yourself up some, but looking at your post and your comments, you disqualify the importance of having Game too much, and its effects on your SMV, with a really assertive tone. Maybe your definition of Game is too associated with PUA and how apparently you delved a lot into it even as a young teenager and so you don't exactly understand what Game is in a TRP context and it's leading to some confusion, but Game is an entirely different beast from status and the self-worth of having a mission, hobbies, a fit body and all those good fundamentals. Yes, these all make you more attractive and are easily signalled in social circles, but to convert any woman you approach or get to know through friends, you do employ some game. It's an important tool. You absolutely have to know how to talk and DEAL with women, aside from all the rest, if you want the highest quality possible and for them to treat you as well as possible. And I'm sure you do this, and it's probably just ingrained in you by now. But don't go around telling other inexperienced men it's just about becoming super successful and being aware of it. They'll take it literally and neglect the art of "handling bitches", that several of the ECs have written about. Maybe it's just that you're really young, have been having a recent stroke of luck where "YES" women sought you out more (yes, this happens and it strokes the ego a lot as you barely need to make the effort, but it's not masculine to rely solely on it), and you believe this right now, but a bit more wisdom will make you realize that the TRP version of Game, how to communicate your SMV effectively, is pretty genuine and a far cry from the classic PUA formulas, and will only help, especially with the hottest women.

You also skirt dangerously around the issue of believing in unicorns, with strong fathers and that will genuinely value all your achievements and never let you go, "building empires" together. This sub has plenty of examples of all that being worth shit, I personally fucked committed girls with the exact same pedigree, and you shouldn't be writing stuff like that when you're 23, obviously were never married or in a relationship of that nature for a long time yourself, and several older high status guys got shafted believing the same. AWALT, don't use TRP for tradcon goals.

[–]1asknorway[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with you that there's an element of social awareness, and an art to the communication skills necessary to deal with women (and just people) effectively. And that it matters hugely.

But it's part of who you are, not some external, magic potion or set of standardized techniques to be used mechanically.

And the notion that it is has in my experience become very widespread, and really fucked it up for a lot of guys, even to the point of neutralizing or preventing much of that art and those communication/social skills from being beneficial.

And that's something I've been dealing with, and therefore describe.

Beyond that, I disagree that what I've described here is believing in unicorns.

Is there some happily ever after with a girl where you "finally get to relax and stop working" or some shit, which a guy on the seddit asked? Absolutely not.

But look at Grant and Elena Cardone. Is there a reality where a man and a woman cooperate over several or many years to create something exceptional and relatively long-lasting? Yes.

I may not have been married or in relationships that lasted years. But I've certainly dated girls over time where it helped me get my shit together in a BIG way, make huge strides in my career, cut hugely destructive habits and stuff like that.

If you only believe in the backside of that, I feel sorry for you.

[–]lindsaylohansclit2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Great post, appreciate the effort. By all means be the baddest mf you can be, pipe the finest broads you can, and ultimately find out what your best is in everything.

But I have to admit I loled at the "been on the grind for decade and I am 23 yo line". Let's pump the breaks my guy, we were all fart joking butt weasels at 13. Don't forget to enjoy the ride.

[–]celincelin18 points19 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Next time you fu*k a pretty girl—have her lay on her stomach, then spread her asscheeks apart and look at it. Sniff it.

2020 has barely begun, and we’ve got the autist of the year already.

They can feel that you're not taking their bait, but everyone else is. "So why won't this guy?" She must find out.

Bitch please, they have twenty others to pick from off Tinder, they don’t care.

[–]no_its_a_subaru3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Jeez this entire sub could use a curse on concise and succinct writing. Your entire post who everyone including flaired users are blowing smoke up your ass for can be summarized as:

“Be born retarded handsome and bitches will fuck you, I turn giving a bitches ain’t shit attitude (aka outcome independence and indifference), then bitches will fuck you more.”

None of this will work if you’re not actor, male model handsome. If it did the 10 years I spent in complete solitude when I wasn’t bitter with women and just stoped trying to date or get their attention from them in any way would have been filled with women trying to fuck the life out of me. For “not falling for their charms.” Instead I was lonely for so long that I stopped feeling lonely completely. I just felt meh all the time, not good, not bad but meh. At that point I truly didn’t care about anything and I was still not getting laid. So I’m calling bs on your entire post unless you look like the hemsowth borthers.

[–]Fozes4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Pretty autistic post, girls don't chase unattractive men no matter how aloof and edgy they are

[–]1empatheticapathetic1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ripped and unattractive is different than simply unattractive.

[–]RealMcGonzo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You discover how rare quality people and quality girls are. You begin to question if they even exist.

Tell you what, I am not sure they exist. And I'm not talking crazy talk like a virgin or something, but loyal, flexible, feminine, domestic, giving. All that was on the standard model 60 years ago, now it's crazy rare. If it exists at all.

[–]TinCanToNA1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

A golden post, great work.

A random personal question if I may: how tall are you? I've heard that weightlifting or competitive running at a young age can stunt height. What's your experience with that?

[–]1asknorway[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks a lot!

I'm 184,5 cm, which I guess would be just a little over 6ft. I look kinda weird, though, and used to have lots of insecurities about it. I'm also a ginger (although less pronounced as I aged).

But of course lots of dudes would now say "ohh, it's your height, you have it easy." And if that's what you (anyone reading this think), then I'll let you think that and would rather not try to convince you. Or engage with you in any way.

Height may help some in some cases, but my years of "incelness" as I suppose it could be called now have demonstrated it doesn't help if other factors are too fucked. And 6ft ain't that tall.

In regards to the claimed potential stunting of growth, I think it's almost completely BS.

Maybe there are certain injuries from accidents or grossly abusive training for kids that could contribute to something like that. Maybe.

But even that I think is doubtful, and the "research" I've seen isn't convincing.

Proper strength training with weights and bodyweight + general cardio, stretching and agility/sports is great stuff, and in most cases just the earlier the better.

But hey. I'd encourage people to do their own research as well. Just trying to be informed overall I think is possibly the only effective defense against being mislead over time by all the interests, voices and noise going around.


[–]VisiblePlan1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Brillant post, very well written. When I started in advertising, I sucked at first because I was determined to make my clients love me, and then after awhile I learned from my mistakes, and focused more on the work itself. I realised that clients didn't care about my style, they wanted the substance. I think that's what a lot of men, even some here, get confused on. They think we tell them to put on some Alpha act, but on the contrary, we tell them to BECOME a man of substance. Women love the easy life they live through you because they love seeing a man who has accomplished challenges. A man with a big company, a big house, a high income, rippling muscles and fancy suits can get any woman he wants. Because that is a man who woman can't get easily. Even if you aren't there yet, you must adopt this mindset. A man who focuses all his time on women will get some, but they will leave. Because they want a man who they feel powerless with.

[–]Nicolas06311 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The post is nice with all kind of positive thinking. Just to clarfiy that anyone anyday will prefer the one that get it naturally efffortlessly than the one that work hard to get it.

In term of finance for example, you just strugle to get at the level ANY guy from a wealthy familly get without any effort. It was a given that they were going to have a master degree at least or equivalent, that their familly would pay for it and that their parents would pay for their first flat (or half of it) and often them a nice car when they got their driver licence. Maybe they became doctor or lawyer... Would they even fail, their family relation would fix that. Other that have a major in history get un-employed, they get to be director of a museum or a job at the family business.

All the same, they know how to dress and can spend as much as they like on it as well as cars and alike. Confidence is also a given for them.

For being fit, this is not even an effort. They are both naturally gifted and their education gave them the willingness to do many fun sport in the weekend as leasure.

I am not saying that we can't do as good, and working hard isn't a great option.

Just saying that it is not as impressive. Getting the results effortlessly is what is attractive. Remember to ensure that it look like you manage it, just like that. You are confident, you achieve, but it just happen, if possible in a misterious way.

And don't forget, nobody is driven to hard work or 100% work. They want people that enjoy themselve, that know a bit about everything, that are great at sports, that visited the world, that know how to behave in a 3 star restaurant and know their stuff arround skaeboarding ! People that are fun and interresting. That can sleep late if they want, decide to spend the weekend in Vegas, NY, Paris or Roma just for the fun...

This is also why it is also relevant to know the shortcuts. 80% of the population didn't get the memo that having a nice diploma is playing life on easy mode for example. They also don't know that if you have some relation and know how to build some, you get more results with 10 time less effort.

As for women, let's be honest, a really worthy woman is great and has something to herself too, far beyond being just great looking. She know it too, and like you know about self respect, she know about it too.

Just to say that you need to apply balence to your trip and keep the mistery and that being fun is more or as important as to be successful. Nobody want to live with a serious guy that only work.

She will not like all the mens at her feets for sure, but if she completely fall for your lead, she is clearly bellow you and not worth your time neither.

[–]BlazezFlamez1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for hitting the nail on the head. In my experience I have also noticed that these set tactics really do hurt you in the long run, and learning to do it by fully believing yourself and what you can say on the spot helps so much more. Good read friend.

[–]TheGreatGatzb1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is an incredibly mature worldview for someone your age. Shame on whatever mod decided to bend to the normies & delete this post. I’m two years younger & I’m glad to see others around my age coming to the same conclusions I have. Keep pushing yourself & improving day in & day out. In the words of Zyzz, “We’re all gonna make it” but you’re a little closer than most.

Hope to see more from you soon. Keep it up.

[–]ntvirtue1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is good....can you make it shorter and written at the third grade level (for maximum exposure)?

[–]cbxxxx1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This really spoke to me. It's all so true. You've basically just described my experiences and reinforced what I need to do to overcome my challenges.

[–]fixzion2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Only 10 comments and 65 upvotes? Oh lord why? Such a well written post.

[–]IClogToilets5 points6 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

What is it with this sub and the insanely long posts? Guys with their shit together don’t waste time writing long meandering posts on Reddit.

[–]ErectileDistention3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

If you got your shit together you don't read Reddit either, you don't have time for that, you're on your mission. In fact you don't read at all, maybe while taking a shit, but that's only if I'm not getting a blowjob on my porcelain throne. If you're thinking about something, and write it down, you're a dweeb. I'm cool, I don't write. Maybe a sentence or two but only while taking a shit.

[–]randomnomber3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I mean... you did write this comment. But good luck maintaining any hobbies or a career while being functionally illiterate.

[–]RiskyRewarder1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I call this post, just be handsome...

[–]D_Marquis1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If any Mods are on: this is a must add to side-bar. Fun post but also shows the differences between men who get it vs men who don't.

[–]misterpoopycaca0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

At the same time.. be grateful for where you're at any point in time. Love the process instead of seeking fulfillment in the result. You'll never be truly happy doing if you do that.

[–]schroedinger110 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Great post! Could you give us a list of books that you read?

[–]toxicmaleitis0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you! Great fucking post! It made me rewire myself to reality which was fading away.

[–]the_green_grundle0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I learned this from my ex, took a while because I was a "late bloomer". But even after we stopped dating and remained "friends" some things didn't change. I don't blame her nor am I mad at her. I was once, but that was a bluepill attitude and didn't serve anyone, least of all me. We're not friends anymore, and the experience as a whole was challenging, but I came out of it a little bit stronger.

[–]Ramp_Up_Then_Dump0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

How did you gained weight? I am 178cm 62kg and got stuck with with fit body. I cant put more mass.

[–]1asknorway[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I lifted heavy weights and forced myself to eat more and more food until I gained. That's it. Lots of good fat, protein and veggies.

[–]Ramp_Up_Then_Dump0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Todd a youtube 'pua' suggest "premise" tecnique. It is a push pull actualy. You show intrest but you dont mean "if you agree too, we will fuck".

Girls wont cold aproach you most of the time. This method makes you move first and try to make her win you over.

[–]bjcm58910 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Seriously. Next time you fu*k a pretty girl—have her lay on her stomach, then spread her asscheeks apart and look at it. Sniff it.

Not going to lie, you had me up until the sniff it part. I am something of a crack addict myself.

[–]rockyp320 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The last part I don’t Ben think is a bad things it’s just the way of the world only a select few won’t die like a dog for no good reason. Everyone wants to be the 1% so they think anything but that is pathetic and since most never reach it we spend our wholes lives grinding to be better but also fuckin depressed it’s much to grind but also be happy with where ur at don’t worry about dying like a dog that’s a very u grateful way to look at the world. That does apply to pretty much everyone anyway everyone has to follow the rules of the world

[–]TheConditionedMale0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Her worldview must be confirmed, as it always has. She must be right. Am I right or am I wrong? Am I good or am I bad? We all look for this type of confirmation and approval. We want the world and its people to confirm our notions and beliefs. Our rightness.

Good reminder that we all want the world to confirm that we are right. I suppose it's only natural.

Also if you are getting into finances I would suggest:

1. Get a credit card and build credit. If you are irresponsible with money then you may want to consider skipping this since it will damage your credit and credit card interest rates are insane.

2. Have an Emergency Savings account: 3-6 months worth of savings so that if you lost your main source of income you would be good for the next 3 months. Assuming you don't have kids and are single 3 months should be good enough. (put the money in a high interest online savings account Ally Bank is an example).

3. Starting investing: Since I'm new to this my investing is really only in stocks mostly dividend stocks.

Note: I am not rich these are just things that I'm currently doing.

[–]Americandreambruh2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Building credit is the largest scam in our society, it conditions us to become slaves.

[–]TheConditionedMale0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol everything conditions us to be slaves. It's easy to dismiss credit until you get denied for something since you don't have a credit score.

[–]BitsAndBobs3040 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Sex isnt that much important because assholes stink". Only on reddit, only on reddit.

[–]RPthrowaway1230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a fantastic post, thank you! I feel like, for me personally, not putting the pussy on a pedestal is something that needs reinforced constantly. It's so easy to fall back into a pattern of chasing her or putting more into her than she is putting into you.

[–]Patric_MasterBateman0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Post gets deleted by shitty mod on seduction sub. Get heavily upvoted and pinned on TRP

[–]1asknorway[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. Says something, I guess. Although it got pretty much the same amount of upvotes on seduction. 700-something. And very similar feedback. So maybe more about the mod culture than its inhabitants.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey. This is a post I wrote on the seduction sub, and which got very popular among the guys there, but some mod deleted without a valid reason, even without any violation of rules.

The seduction sub has been overrun by feminazi's and male feminists. It's pretty crap now. They didn't like what was going on there so they took it over.

[–]Warwickshiredude0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Tldr 'they all look the same upside down'

[–]follow_that_rabbit0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Great post OP, really resonates with me.

Care to share your top 3 books?

[–]1asknorway[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Thanks. I posted a link here in the comments somewhere with a link to my top 100+ books. My favorite book ever is probably 'Poor Charlie's Almanack.

[–]follow_that_rabbit1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks lad, I will search for the link

Edit: found it! It's the link in your bio

[–]haddonhopkins80 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What are you tips on not giving your investment and coming off as a simp, yet still developing a meaningful relationship with her? I have trouble balancing that line, either i come off as a beta or i cant have a fruitful relationship with her.

[–]MilkMoney1110 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Like the post but I also like eating ass so that part didn't help. I make sure the bitch preps beforehand of course, I don't go in there all willy nilly or with a girl I met that same night. They come to see you all crisp and clean from then on

[–]UnbreakableButts0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I like eating ass sooooo

[–]daSynth0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Great post man, this is the type of shit i save and read once a month. Can i get the name of some of those books you're reading ?

[–]_jamesashton-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Where are your sources for this? Please explain how am I supposed to know you're not just making all this up or generalizing?

[–]Lectrat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

u can lurn how 2 reed and make oppinnions 4 urslf???

[–]patriot451-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Next time you fu*k a pretty girl—have her lay on her stomach, then spread her asscheeks apart and look at it. Sniff it. Is this what you've been chasing?

Who here is fucking women with hairy stinky assholes?

[–]BOSpecial-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

you lack a lot of experience. It's an ok post but a lot of "ifs"

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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