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What are some unethical/dark triad/Machiavellian life hacks you know?

July 30, 2014

Inspired by the AskReddit thread:

and the Quora question: How do I become an asshole?

Answers pertaining to money, power, career advancement, learning new skills, social engineering, etc. would be especially good since there's plenty of information already here on getting laid.

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Title What are some unethical/dark triad/Machiavellian life hacks you know?
Author InscrutablePUA
Upvotes 100
Comments 101
Date July 30, 2014 3:58 AM UTC (9 years ago)
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[–]MooMooMooN 47 points48 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

If you know a woman is a blabber mouth.. drop her info that you know she will spread around to your benefit.

Keep it short but juicy.

[–]cray-cray-cray 20 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Or even better, set up a situation where she overhears it or believes she discovered the information on her own somehow.

[–]Turkerthelurker 11 points11 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Law 31 - Control the Options: Get Others to Play with the Cards you Deal

The best deceptions are the ones that seem to give the other person a choice: Your victims feel they are in control, but are actually your puppets. Give people options that come out in your favor whichever one they choose. Force them to make choices between the lesser of two evils, both of which serve your purpose. Put them on the horns of a dilemma: They are gored wherever they turn.

A lot of the advice in this thread is addressed in the 48 Laws of Power, so I thought I'd comment with relevant laws where I see them.

[–]HahahahaWaitWhat 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Isn't this how democracy works?

[–]MooMooMooN 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you! I shall re-read these!

[–]1whatsazipper 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Identify the 'repeaters' in your social circles and give them all material that would boost your image.

They can't help but talk about what they hear and so if they hear good things about you, good things will be said of you. The receivers of this information will trust the repeater if he's in good social standing.

Edit: At first I used to be really put off by the fact that a lot of people run their mouths so much, because I am completely not like that.

Now I make use of the ones who are prone to talking a lot and especially talking up.

Get rid of the ones who you find talk trash - they are bad people.

[–]latrodectus02 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is very true. I do this all the time. Excellent for spreading propaganda and what you want people to think

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh man I work with this girl. I actually had to find out the hard way after working together with her for 2 years. I thought we were friends.

She would tell me some personal stuff and I would reciprocate. Come to find out by another friend that anything of any interst I have ever told her was being gossiped about by her telling anyone who would listen.

I need to think of some good things to tell her that my get my good name back.

[–]Catch11 81 points82 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

Easiest way to get the average person not to do something you don't want them to do. Or do something you want them to do.

"Don't do that. It's wierd." "Only wierd people don't do that."

For some reason most people are afraid of being called wierd. I've been using this technique for years you can apply it to anything. "Why don't we have sex it's wierd you're such a prude." "Don't shoot the ball that way. It looks wierd". Usually you must be silent and non chalant after you say it. It's a jedi mind trick.

I actually have a lot more tricks like this. If someone wants i can go on.

[–]Just_some_throw_away59 points [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link

Ill indulge you, go ahead. It would be weird if you didnt...

^...see ^what ^i ^did ^there?

[–]theredpillacct 19 points20 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

OP will surely deliver, it would be weird if he didn't.....

Am i doing this right?

[–]farbenwvnder 17 points17 points [recovered] | Copy Link

8 hours later, no response.

Alright everybody, technique is not working, it's a hoax

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Because he made it up, and manipulated every one into trying it.

[–]Catch11 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

ha. If you don't believe it. Try it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I find it weird that he hasn't responded...but even WEIRDER that you asked.

I actually used the "weird" comment also, I noticed this in middle school and have been using it since. I use emphasis also to make it harsher when I feel the need, like above.

[–]Catch11 15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol I've been asleep. Alright let me tell some more of my tricks. Here's one to get someone to stop staring at you or mean mugging you if they are trying to do some wierd alpha thing on you. If you want them to look away. Just look at them a little confused look behind you as if they are looking past you. If they are still looking at you or mean mugging you. Repeat and when you look back at them kind of lean your head back and mouth "okayyyyyy" while squinting at them and making the facial expression of. "this person is a freak". They will look away no matter what.

Here's a trick for switching car lanes when traffic is full which is pretty easy. Just look out your window and make eye contact with the person and make some motion to imply you want into the lane in a kind way. This will work on 99% of people including gangster ass mofo's. (It's actually never not worked for me I'm just being cautious and saying 99%) I'm from Chicago this works anywhere even in places where white people aren't even supposed to be. (Im white).

Here's another trick you can do. This time regarding women. If you've got a girl in bed and she's down to do everything but give you head. Just have her suck on your finger for a good long time. Do it real smooth. Eventually she will eagerly suck your dick.

I have more tricks and more evil ones....but I'll let these settle for now to see what people say about these nice ones, and if they can understand the dynamic going on that makes these tricks work.

[–]Max_Jets 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting stuff, are you still planning to proceed to elaborate on these? Perhaps you could consider writing a post, as the sub seems to be entering a more socially unethical / Machiavellian trend.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Creepy" is an even worse one to use but I fucking despise that word. Use with extreme caution. A guy may attempt punching you out.

[–]blarggggggggggg 4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

interestingly enough, this is one of the shit tests I get a lot from my wife. Whatever way I'm doing something, she says is weird, or not the way 'most people' would do it. Stupid simple stuff like the way I load or unload the dishwasher. One thing I like to say is, "I'm glad I'm not like most people" or "yup you married a weirdo"

[–]squareball 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

haha, I get the same thing from my wife. The other day I was gearing up to go for a run, she was in bed reading a book and she says "You run weird, when you run your arms are all low". Hah, don't know if she is trying to make me feel insecure or what.

[–]Catch11 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"That's creepy how observant you are of people's running techniques. are you okay?" Pretty sure that will disarm her.

[–]TheBadGod 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You have to be quick on the draw with the "weird/creepy" mindgame.

If you don't make the first move, you'll be forced into a defensive position.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Your wife sounds like my ex wife. Even simple things like I hold a glass she would go ballistic, and say I'm a very weird white guy, unlike the Europeans she dated. I always resort by saying, "That's how we do it in America." Shortly after that she shuts up.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Being socially outcast is the biggest fear of weak men and women. Being ostracized out of the group is dread to them because they've found a role and don't have the capability to lead another one on their own.

[–]1mcdehuevo 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The way you spell "weird" is weird.

[–]IThoughtHeWasWithYou 18 points19 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

This isn't all that unethical, but it's simple and it works...

Ask someone to do you a favor.

Most people, most of the time, try to be helpful and nice to acquaintances and new people (provided that the new person has not immediately demonstrated themselves to be low-value, needy, a social liability, etc.).

I could be wrong, but I think this is how it works:

People are nice by default because they don't want to appear to themselves or others to be selfish. Moreover, before you know a person well enough to judge his or her value, it's a better bet to just be helpful - especially for small-ish, everyday favors - because at worst, you expend a small amount of time/energy on the favor, and at best you ingratiate yourself to someone who turns out to be high-value (and either way, doing favors usually feels good).

However, most people aren't aware of the above internal calculation. So they will confabulate a story after the fact as to why they did the favor. This story will generally be something like "I'm going to help this person because they seem like a good guy. Yea, they're a good guy. I like this guy. Why would I be helping him out if I didn't like him?"

Thus, by asking for a favor, you can cause people to like you a bit more.

(This is probably better for business and networking than it is for dating.)

[–]RompeChocha 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's called The Benjamin Franklin Effect

[–]Endorsed ContributorUEMcGill 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You may be talking about the consistency paradox. Peoples internal subconscious wont let them proceed without maintaining a consistent story.

I use it all the time when trying to get something. Say trying to score a good upgrade at a nice hotel or a different time for a restaurant seating.

"Hey, I don't know, but do you think you can help me?"

Desk clerk "Yeah I'm sure I can"

"Do you think there's a courtesy upgrade for a better room? Can you help me with that?"

"Hmm. let me check, yeah, we can put you here, on the executive floor"

That's simplified, but get them to agree to help you, then ask them what to help you with.

[–]QuietlyLearning 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Called the foot in the door technique.

[–]1InscrutablePUA[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup I have read about this before. Great stuff, and has the added benefit that you learn the right way to ask people for stuff by trial and error. Asking in the right way has huge benefits.

[–]ROTHSCHILD_GOON_1913 34 points35 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

constantly remind yourself that you are better than everyone else.

it sounds stupid, but it really works. for some people, this comes naturally. for others, this "fake it til you make it" strategy is the next best thing.

if you are constantly telling yourself that you're better than everyone else, you will actually start to believe it. and other people will too. 95%+ of people are going to more or less believe everything that they're told, this included. so don't feel bad - if it's not you, it's just going to be some other guy.

this is really the only "dark triad" trait that you will ever need. you would be amazed at how everything changes once you really start believing that you're better than anyone else in the room. it's a whole new world. once you encompass this mindset, it's almost impossible to get caught up in or worry about all the silly little shit that otherwise causes us distress in our lives. you don't have to do it to get a leg up on others - do it for your own personal happiness.

i guess you will probably need some rudimentary level of machiavellianism, but this is easy to acquire with observation and practice. or don't. honestly not everybody even needs this. once you stop worrying about everybody else you might not even feel like bothering with optimizing your relationships with others.

[–]farbenwvnder 22 points22 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Lifting has really helped my with this.

"Look at all these chumps in the room, do they even lift?"

It only worked with people who didn't actually lift tho

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Its easier when you have 20"+ arms and 45"+ chest. Don't skip leg day.

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Illimitabe Man is the resident scholar on the dark triad. It is a fascinating path of study that I would encourage anyone to take, how you use it in your life is up to you.

The general pro-tip most folks fail at is showing their power level (i.e. being too obvious or, not making it look effortless). The tempting thing to do with all of this redpill stuff is to become a machine of self-improvement discipline and carry this look and tone of intensity and determination wherever you go, to brag about how much study and exercise and approaching you go through to better yourself. You have to fight to hide all of that work behind a mask of ease and effortlessness. Never allow people believe you worked hard at something, let them think that you are just naturally awesome at that thing. People will find you much more likable, trust you more, be more attracted to you if you pretend that you aren't working hard.

If you want an example, look to Pro Wrestling. I'll compare two big names, Triple H and Ric Flair. They are both known as dirty manipulative, Machiavellian personalities. HHH calls himself "the Game", "the cerebral assasin" etc and carries this intense snarl on his face all the time. He is always posting pictures of himself working out and shit and everyone thinks he is a cunt. Ric flair is a world famous legendary 2 time hall of famer, considered to be the dirtiest player in the game. Flair ran a gang of dudes that outnumbered his opponents, he shoves his thumb in peoples eyes and generally cheats at every turn. Flair is nearly universally loved, HHH and him are actually really good friends and have similar personalities and style, but only one is liked. Flair's advantage was that he carried himself with that air of being hot shit innately, he made everything he did seem like it wasn't hard for him, he hid that hard working intensity inside. They were both scheming machiavellians but flair did it better because he mastered the mask of effortlessness.

In my opinion that false effortlessness is the first of the many masks you have to learn when you get into this Machiavellian stuff, once you have it under your belt a lot of the other masks become open to you. Try it out and see if people start liking you more, it has been night and day for me.

[–]Turkerthelurker 26 points27 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Law 30: Make your Accomplishments Seem Effortless

Your actions must seem natural and executed with ease. All the toil and practice that go into them, and also all the clever tricks, must be concealed. When you act, act effortlessly, as if you could do much more. Avoid the temptation of revealing how hard you work – it only raises questions. Teach no one your tricks or they will be used against you.

Guys, if you haven't read it yet, you really should check out The 48 Laws of Power.

[–]The_Handler 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

In that vein, everything by Greene is fantastic.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

In my opinion that false effortlessness is the first of the many masks you have to learn


When I think back when we were playing with the band, most of our friends thought we were great and the audiences seemed to love us.

Only our girlfriends were enthusiastic at the beginning and then completely lost interest. This frustrated me a lot. I couldn't understand it.

My then girlfriend was very into music and liked to go see bands. Why not us? Same with the drummer's girlfriend.

Looking back it's crystal clear to me. They saw how much work we put in, were there at rehearsals and my girlfriend saw how I practised guitar. Not only how I played but things like exercises and music theory.

That must have taken the magic out.

[–]HiddenPools 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I think not entirely. I bet if you twisted it so that it wasn't just practice it was something you wanted to do because you enjoyed it, it would have come off entirely different. Instead of "I have to go practice" you could use "I'm going to play around on the guitar" or "I feel like playing some guitar".

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You are right and you are not contradicting my point.

The point is that the perceived "coolness" of something like playing guitar depends on the frame.

You could do exactly the same but by framing it differently it comes across as ultra-cool or as lame.

[–]QuietlyLearning 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

One rule I instilled is that I don't practice in front of my plates. This gave my performances a sense of mystery and anticipation even though it was still framed as practice. Your mileage may vary.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, there is tons of stuff you can do to boost the mystery around it.

[–]CreepAcceptance 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You have to fight to hide all of that work behind a mask of ease and effortlessness. Never allow people believe you worked hard at something, let them think that you are just naturally awesome at that thing.

This works to your advantage in two ways.

  1. Seeing how hard you work will make others feel lazy and they'll build resentment at your motivation and your eventual leaving them behind. They won't face the fact they too could work their asses off, they'll just hate you instead. Better to let them think you're just naturally talented so they can easily rationalise away their comparative failure and lack of effort.

  2. By making it look effortless/natural/genetic you dissuade many people from even trying. Let them think it's unattainable for them. From the Mach perspective - why let people know they too could have all the spoils which come with success.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 37 points38 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Cocaine alters biochemistry to make you temporarily dark triad. You need to make sure the stuff you get is of good quality though low grade cocaine does less than an energy drink. I don't recommend a drug taking lifestyle to anyone, but you're asking for a life hack and I'm telling you cocaine is the quickest shortcut to temporary DT behaviour/thinking. People high on coke get so egotistical and in love with themselves narcissistic doesn't seem like a strong enough word.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

There's a Doug Stanhope bit about this, his point is that cocaine is illegal because it makes getting pussy too easy:

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 13 points14 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

It's basically narcissism and psychopathy in powder form. The machiavellianism is still something that's learnt, although it's much easier to execute machiavellian techniques when you're in love with yourself and not scared to engage in high risk behaviour. You could know all the machiavellian techniques under the sun but if you don't love yourself/have extreme confidence and are scared to take action then how are you going to apply it? Machiavellianism is the strategy, narcissism is the fuel, psychopathy is the ability to execute (without feeling guilt/regret) so to be successfully DT you need to not only be able to strategize/analyse but also EXECUTE.

How I'd describe it to someone who's never done coke is it's like being high from a workout except the effects are far stronger and don't last as long as a workout high does. Like a workout to keep the heightened energy levels and sense of self going you need to workout again (the next day), if you don't workout for 2 days you feel like your normal crappy self again, same can be said for guys coming off TRT/steroids, it's not simply withdrawals (I've never had coke withdrawals) but the benefits you've taken for granted from the altered biochemistry have now left your body, reverting you to your "factory setting" biochemistry. With coke 30 minutes to an hour later you'll need to do another line as although the effect has not entirely worn off you can feel it beginning to wear and you don't want to lose the buzz/sense of control you have over yourself. If you don't do another line it stays in your system for 3 days but you stop feeling ALL effect within a few hours.

Media reference: The Wolf of Wallstreet, the protagonists entire success is built on cocaine.

As a friend of mine says: "coke is the only drug you can run a country on."

Edit: going to leave this here for people who have never done drugs (and so are bigotedly judgemental) but place massive trust in academia -

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The amount of confidence I get after a few lines is just unreasonable. In my bluepill days the times that I really excelled myself in getting girls were the times I was on coke.

My favourite occasion was the time I was in bed with a girl after a party and I decided to put it in her butt. I went from fingering it to fucking it within a couple of minutes, no permission, no problem. The next day the guilt kicked in and I began to worry about her feelings etc, even though she'd clearly been into it the night before. She was more affectionate than she'd ever been that morning, I couldn't wrap my head around it until I later found out that she was telling her friends about it fondly and bragging about how great I was at sex.

Confidence is all that matters, cocaine is confidence in powdered form.

[–]puaSenator 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn't say it's full blown DT, however it puts narcissism through the roof, which can go either way. Sometimes, being on coke, I'm so self unaware and obsessed with myself, I can start acting like an idiot and not even realize it (because EVERYTHING I do while blown out seems like the best fucking move in the history of great decisions -- regardless if it's a good decision or not). Especially when you are TOO high and your eyes are huge and you are just overly into stupid shit no one cares about.

On the flipside, for the most part, especially with pure coke (150 a gram) I rarely act like an idiot. I just feel amazing, want to talk, and have fucktons of fun. Last time I did coke I had a blast. Just enough to be "in the zone" and constantly winning in every interaction.

EDIT: also, lol IM, cmon... No one simply takes "just a little bit of coke." Is that even possible?

[–]1dongpal 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

could it be that your impression is wrong because of the drugs your perception is wrong and that you only THINK that you owned the conversation?

[–]puaSenator 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not like a hallucination where you are unaware of what's going on around you. If you have at least some emotional IQ you'll notice when people are reacting positively to you or not. So if you're talking a mile a minute and notice people are trying to end the conversations with you, then yeah, you're probably just feeling way too good but being annoying.

But when you're "on" and having a positive experience, it's pretty clear. People are gathering around you, engaging you in conversation, and just having fun with you.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, to EXECUTE is the way. Yes, "Machiavellianism is the strategy, narcissism is the fuel, psychopathy is the ability to execute (without feeling guilt/regret)" A little add: you advice on executing and you say that psychopathy is the ability to execute without feeling guilt. We agree on that.

I notice that in your writing you almost never talk about sadims. OK, maybe sadism could be exagerated, but the little add I'd like to make is this: The characteristics you talk about are somehow internal and "passive" characteristics like "extreme confidence", "love youserlf", "not be scared to engage in high risk behaviour". And then you advice on taking action since a DT person takes action because of these traits. The add is this: a DT person not just takes action because of these traits, but also because he somehow LIKES to do the things he does. A DT is narcisisstic, he thinks he'a above others, but when he is engaged in a kind of "life war", he takes pleasure from destroing the enemy, or in general, to exploit him. I agree with you when you say (generally, in your posts and your comments) that people should implement the "good" DT traits for the purpose of improving themselves, but a thing to add is that normal people do not somehow take pleasure from using these traits. To say that <a DT person has a pure IDGAF attitude> is right; to say that <a DT person lacks guilt when he does something that normal people consider immoral> is righ. What I'd like to mark is also that a DT actually LIKES to take advantage of normal people. To "take action" and "use DT traits" is an active process. When a normal person uses Stoicism to "turn off emotions" it is just an internal process. When a normal person repeats to himself "I'm better than others" (there's a comment in this right post about this by /u/ROTHSCHILD_GOON_1913 ) it is just an internal process.

What I'm trying to say is that in order to take action we humans must have some reasons. We either do things to avoid a loss, or to gain something. A DT doesn't give a fuck about anybody. He sees a person and sees what he can gain from that person. Ok, normal people do that also. But the DT person lacks guilt, but he also takes pleasure to exploit people. He takes pleasure also from demostrating to himself that he was capable of doing the thing he wanted to do. The gain from his actions derives the output of the exploiting process, but also the gain could derive from the exploiting process itself. But the fact to mark is that the DT takes pleasure even just for the action of exploiting itself. A normal person has this thing called "guilt" and it is somehow correlated with the lack of taking pleasure in exploiting another person.

The conclusion could be: if you'd like to advice people on taking action and execute something similare of what a DT person executes, then you should also talk about the pleasure that these kind of actions create in the mind of a DT person (but I can see how this kind of talk could interfere with the things nomal people call "guilt"). Thus, assuming true that a DT person takes pleasure in "using DT actions", how can you teach a normal person to also take pleasure in doing these kind of deeds? (It is assumed that you'd like to teach it because you have adviced people, you have spurred them, on taking action.)

Going further and make it clearer:

  • 0. again, assuming that <a DT person takes pleasure in "using DT actions">
  • 1. You want to teach people to use "good" DT traits
  • 2. But non-DT have this thing called "guilt"
    • 2.1. Thus (or instead of "thus" use "and", but I am not sure what kind of relationship is there between "guilt" and "taking pleasure from doing DT actions"), non-DT people does not take plasure in "using DT actions" like DT
  • 3. How can can you teach them? Or, in general, if you (IllimitableMan) don't care to teach them, assuming there is a set of non-DT people (let's call this set NDT) who wants to incorporate the so called "good" DT traits, how can NDT learn to do it?
  • 4. (my) conclusion: the learn process will interfere with the guilt, and NDT also won't take pleasure.

Do you agree with the conclusion?

Assuming true the conclusion, the next question could be: how can NDT eliminate the guilt? You already give an answer to that: take coke. One problem with that solution could be the problems that derives from using coke. Thus, are there any other known solutions?

[–]CyricYourGod 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The ultimate way to get what you want is to do whatever the fuck you want is hold validation from you at ransom. You bend people to your will by setting expectations and then leaving them the second they don't conform to them. Everyone wants validation (and approval) and you should give your validation to people out like heroin. The first hit is free. Make them feel special during that hit, as if they're the coolest shit you've seen in your life. Then stop.

Act busy (and preferably be busy), you got shit to do. If you don't have things you prefer to do over schmoozing some chick you need to find some. It should be a fucking chore to you to go on dates and you only do it because you like the payoff. Not might be a payoff, there must be a payoff. The sad thing "nice guys" do (beta orbiters) is they float around being nice thinking they might get lucky one day. True dark triad sees girls as slot machines. They pull the handle and expect a payout. If they don't get a payout within a few tries they leave and find a different one. They don't even give it a second thought. There's not even a good bye.

Teach them that if they want more validation they need to perform for you. Teach them that you know a lot of performing monkeys and it's no big deal to go to another monkey for entertainment if they stop performing for you. I honestly couldn't care less if I went home to fuck my hand and would drop a girl if I thought she wouldn't put out. That puts you in a place of power. Girls love fucking hanging out with you (because you make them feel special) and they quickly realize there's a price tag for your attention. Many girls will gladly pay the price.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

don't become dork triad.

which is the same as dark triad : psycopathy, narcisism and machivilianism only applied backwards.

[–]whoacalmdownthere 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Could you please elaborate?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

don't become that guy who is narcisistic to the point he has fluctuating self esteem, genuinely psychopathic to the point hes antisocial and machivilianist to authority aka 'teachers pet'

you know that guy.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That is true, but i find the reverse can take a mind of its own through boredom.

[–]puaSenator 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I was recently talking to /u/IllimitableMan about this.

Plant seeds of doubt within the audience (coworkers, subordinates, bosses | cute girls, social group) against your competition (people fighting against you for that next promotion | non-cooperative alpha, sexual competition)

For instance: All it takes is a situation where you can reframe a situation to make your target look incompetent (true or not), and place that seed within the audience. Say for example, you notice a guy hitting on a girl, it's near last call, and you know he's not going to pull her in. It doesn't matter if he is actually trying to succeed (maybe it's an old HS friend with a BF there and he's just being nice) but it has to plausibly look like it. Or a coworker your competing against is behind a deadline and will deliver late, even though one boss gave him an extension to help work on another project. Even if the audience finds out the reasoning later, it doesn't matter, because they've already opened up the channel in their mind that allows for criticizing this person in a negative light.

Then you continue plant the seed in the audience by pointing out his failures that questions his competence consistently, yet casually. You have to very subtly point out your targets vulnerabilities as frequent as possible w/o doing it too much that people start thinking you dislike them -- throwing in positives help this, but the key is to at least plant enough seeds that the audience now believes that your target does have the potential to have flaws, no matter how good they are at times.

See there are two ways a person can be viewed (Person X). If Person A really dislikes Person X, everything Person X does will just reaffirm their bias for Person X. Person A will completely ignore or rationalize away anything good Person X does.

Meanwhile, Person B has an extremely positive view of Person X, they will always have a positive view of them. No matter how bad Person X behaves, they will completely ignore or rationalize away that behavior. Whatever he does positive, however, will just reaffirm person B's opinion of Person X.

So Person X is the SAME EXACT person in objective reality, however, where this person ranks in A and B's life is completely different. A and B have two different lenses in which they view the same person. They key here, is you want to first crack the shell of X and let B see he's not that flawless, then you slowly start inching them -- one nudge at a time -- closer to the view frame of Person A. It doesn't happen over night, but over time, you allow that initial seed to flourish as long as you nourish it.

I did this pretty hardcore a few years ago when at work the person above me really annoyed me. I didn't mind being below someone, and I wasn't planning on taking their place, it was just that they were really fucking annoying. In fact, objectively, they were a really good worker, did his job fine, and was liked by everyone -- and everyone even thought I liked him too (including said target). So to make my work environment more suitable to my personal satisfaction, I decided I had to get rid of him.

I started cracking him and inching upper management into my favorable view by giving false compliments. I'd word things like, "Yeah, I really have to give credit to X, he really pulled through. We definitely struggled with this target and project, but X managed to pull through last minute." The thing is, this was an EASY project. There shouldn't be any struggle at all by anyone, ever. So by me trying to be friendly and give X a compliment, what I'm really doing is displaying his incompetence.

After enough of that sort of shit, he eventually got fired and I took over (even though taking over wasn't the plan, but it was definitely a nice cherry on top).

This shit also works in game very well. These sort of aloof "positive" backhanded compliments work wonders. You're basically able to talk shit about anyone while giving the impression that you're just trying to be nice. Say for instance a girl keeps talking about her BF and you want her to start doubting what type of guy she's dating is to plant the seed, "Jake seems interesting. He seems to be really into you, and you must love that. It's like you're the only girl in the world to him, and he treats you like a goddess. And I love his confidence, even though you briefly touched on you twos relationship issues, he has no problem letting you go to the bar alone. I know I'd never do that." (Don't ever say this. I'm using clear wording to make a point) This plays in perfectly, because all I'm doing is complimenting him, and it doesn't even look like a backhanded compliment, even though it clearly is. The first part plays into female hamstering, whether or not the guy actually treats her like a princess, she likes to believe that he does. They also like believe that they DO want to be treated like a goddess placed high on a pedestal, even though they really don't. So after the first part she starts thinking, "Wait, do other people actually think that my BF is obsessed with me and has me on a pedestal? Is really like that? Can I do better?" I'm making him look like a huge beta by telling her shit she thinks she wants to hear, even though she never wants to actually confirm that feeling. The second part also positively paints his beta traits. She's going to start thinking, "Senator is right, he's such a pussy for just letting me go out to a bar. Even though it's not said, we both know that guys are going to be hitting on me. I mean, we just got into a fight and he's going to let me go out and get hit on?! I'd never let him do that. But he just rolled over and let me do it anyways because he has me so high on a pedestal."

It's all about nudging that person into the view frame that benefits you. In this case, it's by influencing a negative view that makes them question their own opinions of the person.

This can happen in the opposite direction as well, but it also needs to remain subtle. One instance that pops into mind is the instance when I first consciously tried this out -- in highschool. Basically I was a senior and I had a softmore friend who was having serious lady problems with his crush. So then I decided I need to figure out a way to shift her opinion of him. So that night I invited to a party my god buddy was throwing that was pretty exclusive to the socially active type -- basically all the "cool" and "popular" kids, including a nice handful of people from his class that were considered really popular and were mainly just the hot chicks. Then I invited my buddy, his friends, and a friend of my target (couldn't directly invite her because I barely knew her) that I knew would invite my target. Then I told my buddy not to talk to her for more than a few sentences, be nice, and just try to generally ignore her until later in the night.

Then once the party started, I started making my rounds saying hi to everyone and eventually bumped into her. I hung out with her, impressed her, and got her on my good side. Since I already had a tremendous amount of social proof (upper classmen, popular, got her on the inside of the social cliche, mansion, and so on)... Basically, I brought her into this place and she REALLY looked up to me. Then as the night went on, I'd make sure she'd be in earshot when I'd talk to my buddy in highly positive manners, or talk about my buddy when he's not around like he's the shit. Then when I'd talk to her I'd also occasionally drop subtle comments about my rad buddy was (she never awknowledged her actual connection with him) and then I actually try to introduce her to him, "Oh no it's cool, we actually know each other a bit." So later on in the night, I sort of forced merged the groups together.

So at this point, when I (high SMV) spent all night acting like his SMV is higher than mine, it reframed her perception of him, and skyrocketed his SMV. By the end of it, she couldn't get enough of him, and was literally pestering him. The tables were now turned in his favor.

This was all subtle manipulation, slowly nudging her in the direction I wanted her in. She had to have the proper view frame to ensure I got what I wanted. She had to see how I wanted her to see him.

This is actually what spurred me and my friends first actual attempt at having a "game strategy". It's basically the same thing, but works as a group. Basically, if there was a new girl coming to a kickback, 4/5 guys will talk about their rad friend. They'd all talk stories where they had fun and he was essentially the center of attention during these conversations. Then when that 5th friend actually showed up to the kickback, she's been primed already to think he's the coolest mother fucker alive. I mean, why wouldn't she? Her only knowledge of him is coming from guys of decent SMV talking him up for the last hour. Her ONLY perception of him is extremely positive. She has no other choice.

We ended up using this strategy ALL senior year at kickbacks and parties. I haven't used it in a long time, but I'm sure it's still extremely effective.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

You can make a lot of money online selling courses on how to make money online. I don't do it, but billions have been made throughout that vicious cycle.

[–]RedPillington 19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

how to get chumps to send you $100 online, an easy online course on sale now for only $100!

[–]puaSenator 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Reminds me of the tech startup culture. There are tons of books and websites dedicated to talking and teaching entrepreneurship. There is an entire industry around just the culture surrounding startups.

There is also a huge boom in startups that just make platforms and technology meant for other startups. It's like a cycle of startups just creating things to help startups create things that help other startups, which they use to help startups -- and so on..

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Haha exactly. They have interesting shit for sale that I'm assuming only wantrepreneurs purchase.

[–]whoops_fap1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

I did this for a while, might even get back into it. It was still more work than what I do now though, so I probably won't bother.

edit: Just wanted to add, there's really nothing wrong with this, on any level. If I sell you a course "how to leverage free YouTube traffic to make $300 a day" - and I actually show you how to do it, it's a win-win.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup. It's a win-win if you put in the work to make the course/ebook valuable. But 90% of people put together some bullshit and package it together with a nice looking landing page with a video and sell that.

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Shower married or taken women with a level of artificial validation and comments on her body that you know she's not getting from her LTR. She will become addicted to the dopamine drip of compliments and attention from you and will fuck you. Send random good morning texts, for example. Often, showing signs of sensitivity and adoration like this while still maintaining a fundamentally alpha disposition towards her will completely take her by storm and she will fuck you behind her husband/boyfriends back.

Tell women who are interested in a relationship that you are interested in a relationship. They will fuck you.

Look for female "suggested friends" on Facebook or Friends of Friends that you aren't close to at all that have husbands that are less attractive than you. Tell them you accidentally added them but chat it up anyway. Flirt, compliment, be sweet, insist that you're just friends, continue sexual compliments, then fuck. This is a strange hobby of mine.

The stupider and younger a female is, the more willing she will be to fuck you strictly based on your genetics. Shoot young for easy sex.

On a first date, be gentlemanly and polite but be sure to say one offensive thing to her about her physical appearance. It might be about her hair, how you actually prefer a different type, or perhaps a subtle mention of fashion sense. It will create a thin layer of insecurity in them and they will crave to make up the difference.

If a girl has ghosted on you and not responded, the singular text message "cunt" can work wonders. They may get mad at you. Keep frame and invite her over. I can't explain exactly why this works.

Tell women before a date to dress in revealing or slutty clothing. Women are not used to being told this and I've noticed a strangely high rate of success in doing this. Tell a girl you will make her dinner if she wears the most revealing dress she owns, etc. Females love to feel objectified. It's odd.

I find that using dishonest or unethical tactics in a career setting actually increases risk and stress in my life. I'd rather work hard and honestly at work and be advanced at a slower rate but with more stability and dignity towards the people I work with than use cheap ploys and end up making enemies that actually have some control or power over my reputation.

[–]prodigyx 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Can confirm, all of these work surprisingly well. I have never tried the "cunt" one though. I'll have to give it a shot.

[–]xxTin 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't get it. Isn't giving women compliments a form of pedestaling? How do I do it without killing attraction?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Giving women compliments is a great thing if you do it from a position of strength and outcome independence. Women love to be complimented by the right men and in the right way. To use a bit of exaggeration to illustrate the difference between pedestalizing and an alpha giving compliments:

Pedestalizing: "you are so attractive. your boyfriend must be really lucky." "Haha maybe some time I can take you out. haha lol. just kidding." "but really it would be fun if you're ever free just let me know!"

Alpha compliments: "I like this picture of you. That ass tho." "You actually look fucking hot in that dress. awkward." "Send a pic from your phone." "You'd make a decently hot lover" "Do you like to wear x?" "Do you like to wear y?" "come over for ice cream"


[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Do you just give these compliments via text?

[–]QuietlyLearning 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The clothing suggestion has been a gold staple for knowing if a woman will be in my bed that night.

The best case that this technique worked was when I was in my second semester of college. I met a tomboy girl that expressed some interest. Having a dry spell I figured why not, so I told her to visit my form later but "change into something nice, purple is my favorite color". I have yet to see her in that dress since that day.

[–]TomHicks[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If a girl has ghosted on you and not responded, the singular text message "cunt" can work wonders.

What? That's how they end up on /r/cringepics.

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I'll give you one hack, but then I'll explain why this DT lifehack mentality is so screwed up.

  1. Date younger women. They are more pleasant, they don't have that soulless cynicism that comes from many pump and dumps and alpha widowings. They tend to be fitter, better libidos, and if you give them a chance, they may not be smart, but they are 100% better learners. Way easier to get into things like lifting / HIIT for instance because they don't have so much time spent getting addicted to lardass lifestyles.

Bitch-slap yourself for having a shortcut mentality. Dark triad is machiavellianism + narcissism + psychopathy. Do you think you can just up and magically be able to channel those 3 traits at your leisure, like an on and off switch you use when it benefits you? No. If only it were so simple - after many years of practice, pushing your boundaries, and surviving and conquering in a high-stress, cut-throat environment... then you get to be a non-DT guy who can tap into DT when it behooves him to (maybe). If you want the lifehack and being able to act without empathy and emotion - if you want to have the strengths of a high functioning sociopath without the downsides - you have to put yourself in extreme situations.

Go put yourself in tougher and tougher situations, take high-risk / high-reward choices, embrace conflict and competition, and develop an intensely results-focused mentality. (As opposed to most people who care only about their intent and methods - "Well I meant to do better, it should have worked, it was right!") If you want to take steroids, you have to pay a price in terms of health, legality, risk, money, and so on - the sweet, sweet gains do not come free. TANSTAAFL. It is silly to try to look for "steroids" for your life success. The closest thing we have to that is probably reading books, honing a skill, finding mentors, getting a good education, and building a network of high value men.... all of which takes years.

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You have the ideal mindset for a RP lifestyle but you honestly went overboard with this post man, you should relax a bit. The OP isn't exactly seeking a shortcut mentality..he never said this. He's looking for lifehacks that pertain to a DT lifestyle.

The idea of a "hack" is essentially completing a task faster and/or better than normal in one's own unique manner, without sacrificing quality. It's not a shortcut.

Another example of a DT lifehack is placing your hand on another man's shoulder when meeting him to signify dominance.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Yeah you're right. I read it a bit wrong the first time. I still think my point applies, but I'm not trying to jump down OP's throat or anything. Just point out that in general this desire for "life pro tips" can bite you in the butt because you circumvent hard work and failure, which is often what builds the DT traits that OP ironically is after.

[–]1InscrutablePUA[S] 4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Point taken. I see now that "lifehack" was the wrong word to use because I was not really looking for simple, no-effort advice. Rather, I was looking for life advice that you won't see in a mainstream, politically correct setting. Hell, I'm often the one telling people to stop looking for shortcuts - true self improvement has to be built from the ground up. Questions like "I have a date tonight, how do I alpha?" piss me off to no end.

[–]2Occams_Shiv 8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Probably the best lifehack suggested so far is to efficiently and aggressively exceed your comfort zone over and over again. Most people get outside their comfort zone, and take big risks occasionally, and intermittently, by accident. If you want to practice channeling dark triad, or traits, practice dark triad behavior consistently.

"Repetition is the mother of skill" is the best advice I have ever been given.

[–]skifer0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I would gold you but I am poor and too egoistic to waste money on someone I don't know

[–]cray-cray-cray 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Another example of a DT lifehack is placing your hand on another man's shoulder when meeting him to signify dominance.

That shows me someone who is either easily manipulated, or someone who is batting out of their league in terms of social awareness.

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That's true. You have to remember that a lot of people are socially unaware and don't consciously think about these things like we do. It all depends on your social circle and who you surround yourself with I suppose.

I usually use the trick when I'm talking with a guy who I can sense is trying to gain social leverage over a group (usually with girls involved).

[–]cray-cray-cray 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I suppose the somewhat scary people are the ones that do it without a thought, like the 50 year old guy taking you fishing on his yacht. If it's a planned tactic at a bar somewhere, it's one that can be easily blown out by a person with experience.

I could imagine this as a tactic I'd teach to other people, and then watch it blow up on them in front of everyone. Even better to teach it to two people, and watch a dueling shoulder touching disaster all night. That would make for a little DT entertainment.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Haha what's interesting is that's exactly how a socially-aware person would putting THEIR hand on your shoulder or even behind your upper back.

[–]TheBadGod 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Jay-Z "reminds" men that hug his wife this way.

I've employed this during my day-to-day and have gotten immediate positive results.

[–]anonlymouse -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Another example of a DT lifehack is placing your hand on another man's shoulder when meeting him to signify dominance.

And watch that explode like with Karo Parisyan and Nate Diaz. History showed us which one is the real alpha.

[–]Drogoe1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Not to go off topic but what happened between Diaz and Karo?

[–]anonlymouse 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

On TUF, Karo came as a guest, started talking to Diaz, putting his hand on Diaz's shoulder as if he were some grandpa and Diaz was beneath him. Diaz wasn't having any of it and kept swiping his hand away. Karo got offended and kept saying "I swear to god" but never finished the sentence. They got separated, Karo looked a bit like a tool although I'm sure he felt he won, and Diaz was just saying he doesn't like people touching him like that, but otherwise not upset.

Now Karo's a mental wreck who can't ever get a fight with a major promotion and Diaz gets title shots and is able to hold out for better pay, despite Dana White regularly walking over most of the other fighters on the UFC roster.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep, extreme situations make a huge difference. I wrestled, power lifted, went military, went to war at a young age and an older one, pushed myself far beyond the limits and grew incredibly strong. I learned about a great many things, automotive, biology, chemistry, mechanical engineering, construction, and knew my military job so well I could teach anyone in a matter of days.

After all of that, and especially the first gulf war, which for me was 14 months of intense daily 12+ hour workouts, everything is easy as taking a shit. You're damn right I'm going to fuck young girls, not because its easy, but because I can. Everything I put into me for the last 30 years is paying off in my forties. No way am I wasting it on wrinkled old have when I can hammer lithe horny sluts half my age.

[–]u_fukn_wot_m8_ 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Stop caring about whether or not it's an "appropriate" time/place to hit on/flirt with a girl. Just do it anywhere and everywhere (except the workplace depending no where you work).

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Ignore people, say no more often, and shut the fuck up when your opinion isn't being asked by anyone.

[–]QuietlyLearning 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not giving out your opinion when people don't ask has been a wonder in ninety percent of cases. People will ask you for an opinion if they care, and you can tell who cares the most because they will ask you.

One thing to watch out for is being branded antisocial. I was introverted for the first year of college and it took some time to shake that perception that people had of me. Add to conversations where it makes sense but don't speak more than others unless the situation warrants it.

People pay more attention the the loud silent man.

[–]Jkobzen 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

When you are talking with a person you dislike and want to make them self conscious you look at one of their ears while slightly squinting one eye instead of looking them directly in the eyes.

The usual response is what with a worried look on their face. You respond with a shrug and say nothing. Then go back to holding eye contact. Repeat this process when ever it fits do not look at their ears too often on the same person - it will lose it's effect.

[–]jobs33ker 10 points11 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I appreciate the question and the thread, but can we at TRP please NOT use the fucking redditese language bullshit? Such as "life hacks" and the other day there was a thread which had [Shower thoughts] in the title. I know its because there's a lot of noobs here now but that shit just bugs me to no end. This is not the rest of reddit. This is one of the few corners of reddit for real men, and real men do not use such faggy words.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Correct. Posts and comments that use phrases like gem, le, DAE etc should be flagged for removal by the mod team.

[–]TRiPdonGame 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hacking is not an easy thing, despite what teenagers on Facebook seem to think. It is hard, exhausting, high-risk behavior with high potential yield.

"Hacking" also changes the state of the computer such that it produces improved results for the hacker.

For my purposes, "hit the weight room" is a "life hack". Consistently stretching your comfort zone and taking greater risks in life are both "life hacks". Exposing yourself to RP wisdom daily is a "life hack".

This is an advice/tip thread, though, and should be called such.

[–]The_Juggernauts_Dad 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

please don't bring this "life hack" garbage into TRP

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[–]The_Juggernauts_Dad 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I was more referring to the use of the term "life hack". I don't know, it just sounds stupid. Just say advice.

[–]demilitarizdsm 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Remember that patterns are invitations to get what you want by route. If someone exhibits a pattern you don't like it is often common to try to break it. At times this can be foolish. Find the fundamental thing you want then train a response.

Example: I noticed my wife and I fight roughly once every 2 weeks. If we don't she starts chipping at me for dumb shit and I realize she hasn't gotten her steamy drama in a while. So now if that time is coming around I instigate a problem on an issue that is less frustrating than the one she picks. I don't enjoy it very much but it makes the fight quicker and less stressful.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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