What are some unethical/dark triad/Machiavellian life hacks you know?

MooMooMooN · 2014-07-30T09:22:04+00:00

If you know a woman is a blabber mouth.. drop her info that you know she will spread around to your benefit.

Keep it short but juicy.

Catch11 · 2014-07-30T08:06:26+00:00

Easiest way to get the average person not to do something you don't want them to do. Or do something you want them to do.

"Don't do that. It's wierd." "Only wierd people don't do that."

For some reason most people are afraid of being called wierd. I've been using this technique for years you can apply it to anything. "Why don't we have sex it's wierd you're such a prude." "Don't shoot the ball that way. It looks wierd". Usually you must be silent and non chalant after you say it. It's a jedi mind trick.

I actually have a lot more tricks like this. If someone wants i can go on.

IThoughtHeWasWithYou · 2014-07-30T14:41:05+00:00

This isn't all that unethical, but it's simple and it works...

Ask someone to do you a favor.

Most people, most of the time, try to be helpful and nice to acquaintances and new people (provided that the new person has not immediately demonstrated themselves to be low-value, needy, a social liability, etc.).

I could be wrong, but I think this is how it works:

People are nice by default because they don't want to appear to themselves or others to be selfish. Moreover, before you know a person well enough to judge his or her value, it's a better bet to just be helpful - especially for small-ish, everyday favors - because at worst, you expend a small amount of time/energy on the favor, and at best you ingratiate yourself to someone who turns out to be high-value (and either way, doing favors usually feels good).

However, most people aren't aware of the above internal calculation. So they will confabulate a story after the fact as to why they did the favor. This story will generally be something like "I'm going to help this person because they seem like a good guy. Yea, they're a good guy. I like this guy. Why would I be helping him out if I didn't like him?"

Thus, by asking for a favor, you can cause people to like you a bit more.

(This is probably better for business and networking than it is for dating.)

ROTHSCHILD_GOON_1913 · 2014-07-30T07:39:14+00:00

constantly remind yourself that you are better than everyone else.

it sounds stupid, but it really works. for some people, this comes naturally. for others, this "fake it til you make it" strategy is the next best thing.

if you are constantly telling yourself that you're better than everyone else, you will actually start to believe it. and other people will too. 95%+ of people are going to more or less believe everything that they're told, this included. so don't feel bad - if it's not you, it's just going to be some other guy.

this is really the only "dark triad" trait that you will ever need. you would be amazed at how everything changes once you really start believing that you're better than anyone else in the room. it's a whole new world. once you encompass this mindset, it's almost impossible to get caught up in or worry about all the silly little shit that otherwise causes us distress in our lives. you don't have to do it to get a leg up on others - do it for your own personal happiness.

i guess you will probably need some rudimentary level of machiavellianism, but this is easy to acquire with observation and practice. or don't. honestly not everybody even needs this. once you stop worrying about everybody else you might not even feel like bothering with optimizing your relationships with others.

Turkerthelurker · 2014-07-30T07:59:29+00:00

Illimitabe Man is the resident scholar on the dark triad. It is a fascinating path of study that I would encourage anyone to take, how you use it in your life is up to you.

The general pro-tip most folks fail at is showing their power level (i.e. being too obvious or, not making it look effortless). The tempting thing to do with all of this redpill stuff is to become a machine of self-improvement discipline and carry this look and tone of intensity and determination wherever you go, to brag about how much study and exercise and approaching you go through to better yourself. You have to fight to hide all of that work behind a mask of ease and effortlessness. Never allow people believe you worked hard at something, let them think that you are just naturally awesome at that thing. People will find you much more likable, trust you more, be more attracted to you if you pretend that you aren't working hard.

If you want an example, look to Pro Wrestling. I'll compare two big names, Triple H and Ric Flair. They are both known as dirty manipulative, Machiavellian personalities. HHH calls himself "the Game", "the cerebral assasin" etc and carries this intense snarl on his face all the time. He is always posting pictures of himself working out and shit and everyone thinks he is a cunt. Ric flair is a world famous legendary 2 time hall of famer, considered to be the dirtiest player in the game. Flair ran a gang of dudes that outnumbered his opponents, he shoves his thumb in peoples eyes and generally cheats at every turn. Flair is nearly universally loved, HHH and him are actually really good friends and have similar personalities and style, but only one is liked. Flair's advantage was that he carried himself with that air of being hot shit innately, he made everything he did seem like it wasn't hard for him, he hid that hard working intensity inside. They were both scheming machiavellians but flair did it better because he mastered the mask of effortlessness.

In my opinion that false effortlessness is the first of the many masks you have to learn when you get into this Machiavellian stuff, once you have it under your belt a lot of the other masks become open to you. Try it out and see if people start liking you more, it has been night and day for me.

IllimitableMan · 2014-07-30T12:17:22+00:00

Cocaine alters biochemistry to make you temporarily dark triad. You need to make sure the stuff you get is of good quality though low grade cocaine does less than an energy drink. I don't recommend a drug taking lifestyle to anyone, but you're asking for a life hack and I'm telling you cocaine is the quickest shortcut to temporary DT behaviour/thinking. People high on coke get so egotistical and in love with themselves narcissistic doesn't seem like a strong enough word.

CyricYourGod · 2014-07-30T15:46:45+00:00

The ultimate way to get what you want is to do whatever the fuck you want is hold validation from you at ransom. You bend people to your will by setting expectations and then leaving them the second they don't conform to them. Everyone wants validation (and approval) and you should give your validation to people out like heroin. The first hit is free. Make them feel special during that hit, as if they're the coolest shit you've seen in your life. Then stop.

Act busy (and preferably be busy), you got shit to do. If you don't have things you prefer to do over schmoozing some chick you need to find some. It should be a fucking chore to you to go on dates and you only do it because you like the payoff. Not might be a payoff, there must be a payoff. The sad thing "nice guys" do (beta orbiters) is they float around being nice thinking they might get lucky one day. True dark triad sees girls as slot machines. They pull the handle and expect a payout. If they don't get a payout within a few tries they leave and find a different one. They don't even give it a second thought. There's not even a good bye.

Teach them that if they want more validation they need to perform for you. Teach them that you know a lot of performing monkeys and it's no big deal to go to another monkey for entertainment if they stop performing for you. I honestly couldn't care less if I went home to fuck my hand and would drop a girl if I thought she wouldn't put out. That puts you in a place of power. Girls love fucking hanging out with you (because you make them feel special) and they quickly realize there's a price tag for your attention. Many girls will gladly pay the price.

whoacalmdownthere · 2014-07-30T06:07:58+00:00

don't become dork triad.

which is the same as dark triad : psycopathy, narcisism and machivilianism only applied backwards.

puaSenator · 2014-07-31T03:37:36+00:00

I was recently talking to /u/IllimitableMan about this.

Plant seeds of doubt within the audience (coworkers, subordinates, bosses | cute girls, social group) against your competition (people fighting against you for that next promotion | non-cooperative alpha, sexual competition)

For instance: All it takes is a situation where you can reframe a situation to make your target look incompetent (true or not), and place that seed within the audience. Say for example, you notice a guy hitting on a girl, it's near last call, and you know he's not going to pull her in. It doesn't matter if he is actually trying to succeed (maybe it's an old HS friend with a BF there and he's just being nice) but it has to plausibly look like it. Or a coworker your competing against is behind a deadline and will deliver late, even though one boss gave him an extension to help work on another project. Even if the audience finds out the reasoning later, it doesn't matter, because they've already opened up the channel in their mind that allows for criticizing this person in a negative light.

Then you continue plant the seed in the audience by pointing out his failures that questions his competence consistently, yet casually. You have to very subtly point out your targets vulnerabilities as frequent as possible w/o doing it too much that people start thinking you dislike them -- throwing in positives help this, but the key is to at least plant enough seeds that the audience now believes that your target does have the potential to have flaws, no matter how good they are at times.

See there are two ways a person can be viewed (Person X). If Person A really dislikes Person X, everything Person X does will just reaffirm their bias for Person X. Person A will completely ignore or rationalize away anything good Person X does.

Meanwhile, Person B has an extremely positive view of Person X, they will always have a positive view of them. No matter how bad Person X behaves, they will completely ignore or rationalize away that behavior. Whatever he does positive, however, will just reaffirm person B's opinion of Person X.

So Person X is the SAME EXACT person in objective reality, however, where this person ranks in A and B's life is completely different. A and B have two different lenses in which they view the same person. They key here, is you want to first crack the shell of X and let B see he's not that flawless, then you slowly start inching them -- one nudge at a time -- closer to the view frame of Person A. It doesn't happen over night, but over time, you allow that initial seed to flourish as long as you nourish it.

I did this pretty hardcore a few years ago when at work the person above me really annoyed me. I didn't mind being below someone, and I wasn't planning on taking their place, it was just that they were really fucking annoying. In fact, objectively, they were a really good worker, did his job fine, and was liked by everyone -- and everyone even thought I liked him too (including said target). So to make my work environment more suitable to my personal satisfaction, I decided I had to get rid of him.

I started cracking him and inching upper management into my favorable view by giving false compliments. I'd word things like, "Yeah, I really have to give credit to X, he really pulled through. We definitely struggled with this target and project, but X managed to pull through last minute." The thing is, this was an EASY project. There shouldn't be any struggle at all by anyone, ever. So by me trying to be friendly and give X a compliment, what I'm really doing is displaying his incompetence.

After enough of that sort of shit, he eventually got fired and I took over (even though taking over wasn't the plan, but it was definitely a nice cherry on top).

This shit also works in game very well. These sort of aloof "positive" backhanded compliments work wonders. You're basically able to talk shit about anyone while giving the impression that you're just trying to be nice. Say for instance a girl keeps talking about her BF and you want her to start doubting what type of guy she's dating is to plant the seed, "Jake seems interesting. He seems to be really into you, and you must love that. It's like you're the only girl in the world to him, and he treats you like a goddess. And I love his confidence, even though you briefly touched on you twos relationship issues, he has no problem letting you go to the bar alone. I know I'd never do that." (Don't ever say this. I'm using clear wording to make a point) This plays in perfectly, because all I'm doing is complimenting him, and it doesn't even look like a backhanded compliment, even though it clearly is. The first part plays into female hamstering, whether or not the guy actually treats her like a princess, she likes to believe that he does. They also like believe that they DO want to be treated like a goddess placed high on a pedestal, even though they really don't. So after the first part she starts thinking, "Wait, do other people actually think that my BF is obsessed with me and has me on a pedestal? Is really like that? Can I do better?" I'm making him look like a huge beta by telling her shit she thinks she wants to hear, even though she never wants to actually confirm that feeling. The second part also positively paints his beta traits. She's going to start thinking, "Senator is right, he's such a pussy for just letting me go out to a bar. Even though it's not said, we both know that guys are going to be hitting on me. I mean, we just got into a fight and he's going to let me go out and get hit on?! I'd never let him do that. But he just rolled over and let me do it anyways because he has me so high on a pedestal."

It's all about nudging that person into the view frame that benefits you. In this case, it's by influencing a negative view that makes them question their own opinions of the person.

This can happen in the opposite direction as well, but it also needs to remain subtle. One instance that pops into mind is the instance when I first consciously tried this out -- in highschool. Basically I was a senior and I had a softmore friend who was having serious lady problems with his crush. So then I decided I need to figure out a way to shift her opinion of him. So that night I invited to a party my god buddy was throwing that was pretty exclusive to the socially active type -- basically all the "cool" and "popular" kids, including a nice handful of people from his class that were considered really popular and were mainly just the hot chicks. Then I invited my buddy, his friends, and a friend of my target (couldn't directly invite her because I barely knew her) that I knew would invite my target. Then I told my buddy not to talk to her for more than a few sentences, be nice, and just try to generally ignore her until later in the night.

Then once the party started, I started making my rounds saying hi to everyone and eventually bumped into her. I hung out with her, impressed her, and got her on my good side. Since I already had a tremendous amount of social proof (upper classmen, popular, got her on the inside of the social cliche, mansion, and so on)... Basically, I brought her into this place and she REALLY looked up to me. Then as the night went on, I'd make sure she'd be in earshot when I'd talk to my buddy in highly positive manners, or talk about my buddy when he's not around like he's the shit. Then when I'd talk to her I'd also occasionally drop subtle comments about my rad buddy was (she never awknowledged her actual connection with him) and then I actually try to introduce her to him, "Oh no it's cool, we actually know each other a bit." So later on in the night, I sort of forced merged the groups together.

So at this point, when I (high SMV) spent all night acting like his SMV is higher than mine, it reframed her perception of him, and skyrocketed his SMV. By the end of it, she couldn't get enough of him, and was literally pestering him. The tables were now turned in his favor.

This was all subtle manipulation, slowly nudging her in the direction I wanted her in. She had to have the proper view frame to ensure I got what I wanted. She had to see how I wanted her to see him.

This is actually what spurred me and my friends first actual attempt at having a "game strategy". It's basically the same thing, but works as a group. Basically, if there was a new girl coming to a kickback, 4/5 guys will talk about their rad friend. They'd all talk stories where they had fun and he was essentially the center of attention during these conversations. Then when that 5th friend actually showed up to the kickback, she's been primed already to think he's the coolest mother fucker alive. I mean, why wouldn't she? Her only knowledge of him is coming from guys of decent SMV talking him up for the last hour. Her ONLY perception of him is extremely positive. She has no other choice.

We ended up using this strategy ALL senior year at kickbacks and parties. I haven't used it in a long time, but I'm sure it's still extremely effective.

RedPillington · 2014-07-30T04:38:46+00:00

You can make a lot of money online selling courses on how to make money online. I don't do it, but billions have been made throughout that vicious cycle.

prodigyx · 2014-07-30T12:06:18+00:00

Shower married or taken women with a level of artificial validation and comments on her body that you know she's not getting from her LTR. She will become addicted to the dopamine drip of compliments and attention from you and will fuck you. Send random good morning texts, for example. Often, showing signs of sensitivity and adoration like this while still maintaining a fundamentally alpha disposition towards her will completely take her by storm and she will fuck you behind her husband/boyfriends back.

Tell women who are interested in a relationship that you are interested in a relationship. They will fuck you.

Look for female "suggested friends" on Facebook or Friends of Friends that you aren't close to at all that have husbands that are less attractive than you. Tell them you accidentally added them but chat it up anyway. Flirt, compliment, be sweet, insist that you're just friends, continue sexual compliments, then fuck. This is a strange hobby of mine.

The stupider and younger a female is, the more willing she will be to fuck you strictly based on your genetics. Shoot young for easy sex.

On a first date, be gentlemanly and polite but be sure to say one offensive thing to her about her physical appearance. It might be about her hair, how you actually prefer a different type, or perhaps a subtle mention of fashion sense. It will create a thin layer of insecurity in them and they will crave to make up the difference.

If a girl has ghosted on you and not responded, the singular text message "cunt" can work wonders. They may get mad at you. Keep frame and invite her over. I can't explain exactly why this works.

Tell women before a date to dress in revealing or slutty clothing. Women are not used to being told this and I've noticed a strangely high rate of success in doing this. Tell a girl you will make her dinner if she wears the most revealing dress she owns, etc. Females love to feel objectified. It's odd.

I find that using dishonest or unethical tactics in a career setting actually increases risk and stress in my life. I'd rather work hard and honestly at work and be advanced at a slower rate but with more stability and dignity towards the people I work with than use cheap ploys and end up making enemies that actually have some control or power over my reputation.

InscrutablePUA · 2014-07-30T04:57:36+00:00

I'll give you one hack, but then I'll explain why this DT lifehack mentality is so screwed up.

Date younger women. They are more pleasant, they don't have that soulless cynicism that comes from many pump and dumps and alpha widowings. They tend to be fitter, better libidos, and if you give them a chance, they may not be smart, but they are 100% better learners. Way easier to get into things like lifting / HIIT for instance because they don't have so much time spent getting addicted to lardass lifestyles.

Bitch-slap yourself for having a shortcut mentality. Dark triad is machiavellianism + narcissism + psychopathy. Do you think you can just up and magically be able to channel those 3 traits at your leisure, like an on and off switch you use when it benefits you? No. If only it were so simple - after many years of practice, pushing your boundaries, and surviving and conquering in a high-stress, cut-throat environment... then you get to be a non-DT guy who can tap into DT when it behooves him to (maybe). If you want the lifehack and being able to act without empathy and emotion - if you want to have the strengths of a high functioning sociopath without the downsides - you have to put yourself in extreme situations.

Go put yourself in tougher and tougher situations, take high-risk / high-reward choices, embrace conflict and competition, and develop an intensely results-focused mentality. (As opposed to most people who care only about their intent and methods - "Well I meant to do better, it should have worked, it was right!") If you want to take steroids, you have to pay a price in terms of health, legality, risk, money, and so on - the sweet, sweet gains do not come free. TANSTAAFL. It is silly to try to look for "steroids" for your life success. The closest thing we have to that is probably reading books, honing a skill, finding mentors, getting a good education, and building a network of high value men.... all of which takes years.

u_fukn_wot_m8_ · 2014-07-30T15:51:51+00:00

Stop caring about whether or not it's an "appropriate" time/place to hit on/flirt with a girl. Just do it anywhere and everywhere (except the workplace depending no where you work).

QuietlyLearning · 2014-07-31T02:46:29+00:00

Ignore people, say no more often, and shut the fuck up when your opinion isn't being asked by anyone.

Jkobzen · 2014-07-30T16:49:27+00:00

When you are talking with a person you dislike and want to make them self conscious you look at one of their ears while slightly squinting one eye instead of looking them directly in the eyes.

The usual response is what with a worried look on their face. You respond with a shrug and say nothing. Then go back to holding eye contact. Repeat this process when ever it fits do not look at their ears too often on the same person - it will lose it's effect.

jobs33ker · 2014-07-30T15:31:32+00:00

I appreciate the question and the thread, but can we at TRP please NOT use the fucking redditese language bullshit? Such as "life hacks" and the other day there was a thread which had [Shower thoughts] in the title. I know its because there's a lot of noobs here now but that shit just bugs me to no end. This is not the rest of reddit. This is one of the few corners of reddit for real men, and real men do not use such faggy words.

The_Juggernauts_Dad · 2014-07-30T14:10:07+00:00

please don't bring this "life hack" garbage into TRP

demilitarizdsm · 2014-07-31T19:14:43+00:00

Remember that patterns are invitations to get what you want by route. If someone exhibits a pattern you don't like it is often common to try to break it. At times this can be foolish. Find the fundamental thing you want then train a response.

Example: I noticed my wife and I fight roughly once every 2 weeks. If we don't she starts chipping at me for dumb shit and I realize she hasn't gotten her steamy drama in a while. So now if that time is coming around I instigate a problem on an issue that is less frustrating than the one she picks. I don't enjoy it very much but it makes the fight quicker and less stressful.

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puaSenator · 2014-07-30T15:19:02+00:00

If you are abroad, and the police pull you over and you don't have a license do not fret. As long as you don't speak the local language, act genuinely confused, and nervous sometimes the cops will let you go without having to pay any fees or go to court.

I did that a few months ago when the cops noticed I did not have my license on hand. By acting like a dumb ass foreigner I avoided having my bike locked up, and having to pay a $100 fine. This happened in Indonesia, but results may vary based on where you are located at, and how often local law enforcement deals with foreigners.

Title	What are some unethical/dark triad/Machiavellian life hacks you know?
Author	InscrutablePUA
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Date	July 30, 2014 3:58 AM UTC (9 years ago)
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