What I Learned From Not Reading The RedPill for A Year

July 10, 2017

I learned fuck all, what'd you think? I'd learn shit by doing nothing? Pretty much recessed back into bluepill, got married, divorced, had 5 kids, think one's mine, started doing cuck porn to pay the bills...

Alright jokes aside let me reintroduce myself real quick for the new guys since I haven't written in a year. And damn, the sub is up to 211K. Was 120k when i started.


Started reading redpill almost 4 years ago now. engaged, dropped her, she sucked, read redpill every day for 2 years, went from 175 skinny fat to 195 ripped, doubled my count in around a year, endorsed in 11 months, currently have a 2 year plate and another going on 8 months, they're fantastic, cook, clean, porn star sex, educated and old school redpill girls and a healthy dose of self awareness. Setting up a threesome with them in a month or two, etc, etc.

This past year I saved up money to quit my job that paid great but was absolutely misery and soul crushing. Currently struggling to stay afloat but wouldn't trade the freedom for an ounce of what my old life was like. Currently studying compound investing my money, day/swing trading, options, forex, etc. as well as building my own business. Pretty much been monk mode all year focusing on me, barely read TRP at all, so here's what I've learned.

One Year Without TRP


Without a doubt I'm more pleasant to be around and engage girls easier. Reading TRP every day and having a constantly stream of sluts and whore stories definitely influenced me subconsciously and this is coming from a guy who never entered the anger phase or really cares about women's mischievous bullshit cause I've seen it my entire life even as a kid. With that said I'm not recommend you cut back your TRP reading. Infact I'd suggest you accelerate it. TRP is a resource not a creed or way of life. Take it as your own personal Man College but you don't want to be the dude on year 9 and 4 bachelors and fucking clueless where you're going in the world. No you want to treat TRP like your trying to make PhD in 6 years tops. Learn as much as possible as fast as possible and don't fuck around. TRP is a diminishing returns asset, you will max out on learning and shit just gets repetitive then. Don't be the dude reading TRP every day for 10 years straight because you identify with it or somehow tied your self image or ego to it. TRP should have definitely made it clear to you by now that maybe 1 or 2 people in life will ever really care about you. Us random dude on this forum could give two fucks about you, we've all got our own lives and problems to worry about. When you reach the point that you aren't getting anything out of something, stop wasting your time with it and find a new thing to learn from. Case and point, I also don't read TRP much anymore because it's the same posts over and over. However my constant self improvement has anything but slowed down. Infact it's accelerated, the majority of my time is spent learning the stock market, accounting and in general educating myself financially. That's my new TRP.

I'll close with saying that your attitude and demeanour is definitely indicative of the people you associate with, whether real life or virtual. When I was a blue pill women were wonderful and I enjoyed getting shit faced with all my friends blowing all my money. When I found TRP all women were sluts and whores(a lot are fyi) and I still enjoyed going to the bars but now I was banging girls when i did. Now that I'm studying finance I realized 90% of the population is abso-fucking-lutely terrible with money and they will die as broke as they were when they were 20, 30, 40 years old. I also don't like going out and blowing 10% of my net in a weekend over booze and pussy anymore, I'd rather reinvest it for 10% return a month and in a year my money doubles.

You know that 67% of American's don't even have 1k in the bank? That's how uneducated the majority of people are. Also, If you're in this bracket you need to educate yourself, you'd probably be rich as fuck in 5 years if you cared about finance as much as you do getting pussy


Assess your level or return from TRP because TRP does come at the cost of negativity. People are attracted to positivity and you making them feel good. If you've got a constant voice in your head of negativity it will affect your engagement with others. This might be pretty damn important for you depending on your life goals. Like if you work in corporate america where social interactions have a massive impact on your life and could totally destroy your life if you fuck one up. I have a friend who just recently found out his girl of 8 years was cheating on him, he's rightly pissed and in the anger mode hardcore. But, I can watch his interactions and his subconscious outlook is definitely influencing his confidence and ability to engage with others. TRP in itself is a minute dose of anger phase in my opinion if you consume it longer than needed. If you aren't getting much out of something, stop wasting your time with it and find something new to learn because it comes at the cost of your time and in TRP's case your subconscious demeanor. If not stay focused and don't be fucking around cause the only thing you're wasting is still your time. you get one life, do as much with it as you can.



Next thing I noticed obviously with not having a constant voice of sluts and whores is that I slacked up on standards a bit. Luckily I've always been kinda stonewall when it comes to principles and holding a person to their character. I don't wavier much on my standards of who I date or if a friend crosses me. It wasn't large things though, just noticing really small things. I'd randoming catch myself explaining myself on shit that I didn't need to or wouldn't have just a year ago. Nothing real serious but it was a habit from my past I developed from my mother and walking on eggshells for a few years of my teen years. I broke those habits with TRP and don't plan on letting it come back. I made it a note to reassess and check myself every so often. Just 10-30 mins of thinking about my relationship with the two chicks I'm seeing. going through a check list and comparing the health and quality of each encounter, etc. Comparing sex, how much or little we talk, are they slacking in the gym, moods different? Where's my confidence, what should I be learning right now to maximize my return? How much fucking off am I doing or need to to stay sane? General TRP shit, red flag checking, assessing where I might be slacking or can improve not just a relationship but myself as well. Once you get on the road of constant self improvement it almost becomes an addiction in itself. I don't read TRP anymore but I'm still just as obsessed with improvement anywhere I can.

Since slippage was the second biggest thing I noticed, I want to tie it back towards the attitude thing. I'm very... stoic and extremely critical when it comes to judgement of character. You might not be however and if your reading this your first week into TRP, you want to make sure you've got your shit lined out, demeanor on point, confidence, standards and boundaries in line. I have blue pill friends that have the spine of a mouse when it comes to chicks. If you don't have a strong backbone you're not ready to stop reading TRP because slippage will be the next big thing you notice. backbone and being resolute definitely prevent slippage. And a healthy dose of self awareness.



This is an interesting one. I'd definitely equate reading TRP every day to hanging around with a bunch of muscle bound meatheads hyped on synthetic testosterone. My confidence was higher with TRP but it was inflated confidence, not resolute or true confidence. It's like going out with the boys, you're on top of the world and take on anything only to wake up the next day with a hangover next to some chick you shouldn't have taken home. For that reason when i stopped reading TRP my focus on improving myself actually increased. The drop of confidence needed to be offset so I started studying more. Focusing on building internal vs external confidence. Starting my own business and leaving the comfort of a steady 40 hour work week wrecked me mentally depending on the week. Not having a steady stream of security definitely fucks with you no matter how confident you are. No surprise that my relationships would swing with the swings of confidence. Luckily TRP primed me on how to handle adversity. I don't talk about my problems nor let them know what's really going on in my head. I'm a firm believer in captain and first mate. Any movement in the relationship was purely them picking up stuff subconsciously that I was projecting, which I'd see their reactions too, note and correct as needed. Relationships are 100% your responsibility and you being a Rock or a cuck, the relationship doesn't care and will act accordingly. Makes perfect sense from an evolutionary perspective too. A female isn't going to stay with a starving, defeated or unresourceful mate. Not conducive to her or her offspring's health.

Three Types of Confidence

I think confidence can be broken down into three parts. One part External Confidence, people giving you validation, praise, scorn, rewards, successes, failures, etc. One part Internal Confidence, yourself achievements, goals, desires, education, ability to tackle obstacles, etc. and lastly one part Group Confidence or inflated confidence. this goes back to attitude. If you are hanging around blue pills, you're gonna be blue pill. You have to have something to offset a behavior or level of confidence. If you have shit for confidence we tell you to fake it. If you have bluepill friend we tell you to stop having them. I personally make a mental note of distant towards actions or behaviors I never want to have. but I'm also not influenced by external confidence much, I don't really nor have ever cared what other people think. I can hang with my bluepill friend and it doesn't effect me, in fact the opposite, they start acting more redpill. You might be a guy who's the complete opposite though so stay self aware of what influences you and manage to control it. I'd recommend and pretty much all of TRP does as well though, focus on building internal confidence. You can use external or group confidence to bang sluts but long term it will fuck with your self perception and inner confidence.

Hopefully my endeavors of suffering now will pay off in returns later. Right now educating myself financially has probably been the biggest thing to improve confidence even more so than what TRP did. I just got done reading a message from a newbie about him being worried of having sex the first time. Being a virgin till I was 21 I can relate. In retrospect, pussy is one of the most shallow and unfulfilling resources of confidences. It's purely external & group related. Focus on yourself & inner confidence as much as you do trying to bang sluts and life will be hella easier. Banging chicks becomes easy mode as well.

hope you guys have had a good year, probably won't post again till I get financially afloat and then I'll probably do a write up on how I did it. So far I haven't had a 9 to 5 in 6 months and it's been the best 6 months of my life.

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Title What I Learned From Not Reading The RedPill for A Year
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Date July 10, 2017 3:49 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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[–]Z33ger125 points126 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Man thanks for sharing this. I remember when you did those stoned theories and all but got laughed out of the community...it's cool to see you return and share this reflection.

Your points about core confidence are so important. It's one thing to have big muscles and fuck hot chicks, but it's a totally different ball game to view yourself as deserving of these things. So many people sabotage themselves because their confidence level isn't in line with their capabilities. People are capable of accomplishing brilliant feats of mind, body, social mastery and so on...but they stifle their own successes because they think themselves undeserving of health fortune and happiness.

Again, thanks for sharing this. It came at a perfect time for me. Time to run some sprints...

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood[S] 39 points40 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I remember when you did those stoned theories and all but got laughed out of the community...it's cool to see you return and share this reflection.

Ya I should have waited just a week or two to write that. I ended up finding a perfect explanation of it in my reading. What I was trying to convey was a section of Chaos and order psychology. Jordan B Peterson conveys it well via theology.


It's the idea of trying to teach someone the pitfalls and shortcomings of something they can't see in themselves or in others. basically teaching someone to see into something outside of their frame of existence or total world view. It's a complicated mess of a thing to teach but a hell of a thing to be aware of. best thing I've ever learned as far as improving self awareness.

It's also referred to as The Frame Problem in Artificial Intelligence.


[–]JustDoMeee11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's good to see you back.

Can I get an ELI5 of what you're talking about, it sounds incredibly interesting.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood[S] 28 points29 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Think of a baby and how they have object permanency. When you walk out of the room you are no longer in the baby's frame of existence. Well you as a human being never really lose this frame phenomenon psychologically. As you grow older it just grows larger. Every piece of knowledge, every place you've traveled, very technique, person, thing, entity you've ever meet or learn expands your frame of existence.

However your frame of existence is totally dynamic every second. Like right now you're reading TRP, your frame is concentrated to the screen. You're not thinking about that fly sitting on your wall, or what color is the shoes you are or what your dad is doing right now. But the mere fact that I said these things means they are now inside your frame because you're thinking about them. Your frame is dynamically changing every second and it has since the day you were born. Random thoughts are coming in and out of your head, events are happening all around you, in your house, on your street, in your city, your state government, people are moving and things are happen every second but somehow your mind knows what to focus on at any given moment, totally autonomously.

As far as artificial intelligence goes, computers always try to calculate every possible parameter they are giving to solve a problem. The classic example of Frame Problem is place a sentient AI bomb defusing robot in a room and tell it to defuse the bomb before it goes off. Well, that robot will sit there till infinite trying to calculate every possible outcome and it's probability of happening. It will figure the likelihood of touching it one way, will it explode? What if the walls change colors, probability of explosion? What's the probability of the wall changing color? What if it backs up an inch, what's the probability? It will try to calculate everything it can unless programmed otherwise.

From the moment a human is born it can dynamically adjust their frame and egocentricity. This is one of the reasons we have consciousness and we do it totally subconsciously. There are deeply rooted networks in the brain that tell you what you need to be focusing on at any given moment. Cortisol levels connect to fear and danger. Oxytocin will make you focus on those you care about. Dopamine will make you more or less erratic(ADD). And there a million other things that all control and change your frame at any given moment. And that's not even getting into were thoughts generate in the mind or how memory recall and memory reassociation works. Have you ever thought about were your thoughts come from? Go through the day and start paying attention to why the hell you just though what you did? Do your thoughts just come out of thin air or was their a trigger or cascade effect to bring you to where you are right now?

This is a... confusing and hard problem to recreate with AI. The Frame problem was discovered in 1969 and it still hasn't been solved.

If you're interested in this stuff I highly recommend watching Jordan B Peterson in the link above. He's a Pychologist who has pretty much spend his entire life trying to figure this out. He ever wrote a very extensive book on it called "Maps of Meaning: The Architeture of Belief". That book he also teaches as a class in the university of Toronto and you can access all his lectures on youtube. He posts every one of them for the semester. I even believe you can get the syllabus and worksheet stuff on his website.

What's interesting is you'll start to see The Frame Problem explained in many different ways, by different people and at different time periods. I'm a big fan of studying every genius that's ever lived. Inventors, physicists, chemists, etc. Einstein, Van braun, Richard Feynman, Tyson, Hawkings, etc. and pretty much every hyper intelligent individual will tell you that you are and always will be an idiot. What they are referring to is you can never know everything. No matter how large of a frame you grow, no matter how much information, experiences or things you can possibly attain physically or mentally, there will always be more you don't know or haven't experienced. This is an extremely useful thing to realize, one it humbles you and people like humility and two, your options are now limitless. If you become curious about something, you can imagine how deep that rabbit hole could possibly go, but you won't truly know till you start exploring.

Another example in history and probably one of the first times the frame idea was written down was Epictetus and Stoicism. The first line of Enchiridion which is the stoic handbook and condensed version of Epictetus: Discourses writings, says,

"There are things which are within our power, and there are things which are beyond our power. Within our power are opinion, aim, desire, aversion, and, in one word, whatever affairs are our own. beyond our power are body, property, reputation, office, and, in one word, whatever are not properly our own affairs."

Epictetus was a student of Crate and Crate was a Student of Socrates. This was probably the first time the Frame Problem was idealized in writing. Or at least the first one to be preserved till today. In fact stoicism pretty much entirely revolves around learning your frame and controlling what you can. Any time you spend on things outside your control is considered time wasted, which you can never get back. So it's half learning frame and half improving time efficiency.

Self improvement is in a way is an active expansion of your frame, even if the subconscious mechanisms that drive it you didn't think about till I just explained it to you.

[–]TheBloodEagleX4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just wanted to say thanks for the read.

[–]Luckyluke237 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So many people sabotage themselves because their confidence level isn't in line with their capabilities.

this is pretty much me in all aspects of life...

any tips on fixing?

[–]Lest231 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Personally i come across as egoistic or over confident to most people however i consider myself a realist. I AM better than other (average) people, so why should i not say it. Of course i don't go about yelling "i am better than you" but I won't bring myself down in conversations to make myself look humble. If i truly believe i am like this, i will say it. Its easy to think highly of yourself and hard to see yourself clearly. Always be self critical, and doubt the importance or greatness of your achievements. There is always someone working 2x as hard as you, doing 2x as well as you in all aspects of life. if your confidence is below your capabilities, up your confidence. thats easy, just make sure you don't over do it. if your capabilities are below your confidence, bring up your capabilities, thats harder.

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I remember your post about your fitness transformation in 2015. It inspired me to get a membership and go for it 2 years later I'm there. I also love the vibe you give and a different viewpoint you offer to this sub. How you bought a plate flowers and dudes ranted about how that makes you a pussy and you said being a pussy makes you a pussy but there are many types of men. Glad your back at this point in time to help us with more quality posts

[–]broek_32510 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Not to be a lazy shit but do you have a link to the post about buying flowers? Sounds interesting. Thanks.

[–]blurred_face81 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm gonna start selling flowers LOL

[–]ACE-JHN9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Trying to find his post about fitness, but can't find it in his post history. Would you be able to supply the link ?

[–]Desadarius23 points24 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Motivational post, +1.

I agree that TRP starts to repeat itself after a while and you shouldn't waste any more time on it after that.

I'm still at the point where I will start slipping if I don't constantly remind myself of what I've learned.

I saved a stockpile of RP posts that are most important to remember, and go back and check those every so often.

However I do find myself just wasting time on here reading useless posts about what I know already. I need to spend less time on here, and more time actually applying what I've learned.

Again, good advice, and great post.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is there a way you can share some of those important RP posts? I'm new to this and would appreciate some compiled resources. Thanks

[–]reigorius2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've lost interest due to the echo pit this subs has become. Alternative views are mowed down relentlessly and, well, after a time you've read it all and new stuff isn't there anymore.

[–]funATL16 points17 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

Where are you getting 10% a month?

[–]gattaca_24 points25 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

Nobody, not even Warren Buffett, consistently makes 10% a month (he averaged around 20%/year which is 2% a month and he's worth over $70 billion).

[–]SocialJusticeWhiner7 points8 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Buffett's record is 27%/year. However he has to go elephant hunting and typically buys multi billion dollar companies or large stock purchases. If you have less capital you can capitalize on smaller opportunities and it's much easier to exit a 15K position than a $1B one. A Graham/Buffett tenet is that capital is scarce and should be jealously guarded, another one is to never lose money. Buffett will completely understand a company and its industry before purchasing a share and he seldom over pays (to paraphrase him a cheery consensus is very expensive) . This is why I think it's hard to blend a day trading philosophy with a value investing one. Often times you're buying unpopular companies that may take years for their value to be realized. In day trading you can't tie up your capital for that long. While the fundamentals absolutely impact a company's share value the short-term moves the market make are largely attributed to Mr. Market's (he's a manic-depressive) mood.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is why I think it's hard to blend a day trading philosophy with a value investing one.

Exactly, totally different approaches. Day trading is more like a job where value investing is due diligence and studying a company inside and out.

[–]LiLBoner0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

I am a newbie trader trying to combine value investing and trading.

I often pick stocks I like and think have a longterm future. For example, I believe Apple will keep doing good, the price seems fair to me (I know they have like the highest market cap of all companies in the world, but they still seem fairly priced). So what I do is I buy some shares.

If it goes down, I increase the position, aka averaging down.

If it goes down even more, I start using leverage, trading it instead of just investing.

Averaging down can be dangerous, but if you mix it with value investing it can be quite profitable.

I'm still a newbie though, and I never know when to sell.

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[–]LiLBoner-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm still a newbie so I don't know how to read those fully yet. But that's what I'm learning.

I'm not losing money and don't see why I would end up broke very fast, I'm not doing this to any company, only those I believe in for different reasons.

So far it worked pretty well, maybe it's too risky, but I'm still learning. But I made more money in one year than my dad, even though I'm only 21. I don't know if it's just luck, but I like to believe that the companies I buy are good and I do read what other people have to say about them.

[–]JokarAkaFatum0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

High tide raises all the boats, price of almost all the companies go up, some go faster some slower, but only when it works both in bear and bull market you can say your strategy is good. I understand the guy above, averaging losers doesn't really work in long term, at least not for 90%+ people. That being said you should trade, trade amd trade again because that is the only way to gain experience and its very important in our business.

[–]SocialJusticeWhiner1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If you're having trouble determining when to sell then you also need to take in consideration when to buy. Every sector has a different multiple they use, they evaluate the broader market in terms of Price/Earnings multiples, when it's 18-20x its considered high. I think the S&P is around 25x right now.

WB says "The best holding period is indefinitely." if you really like a stock, believe it has a sustainable competitive advantage, and you bought it right then why sell it? No one knows when there's a top or a bottom to any market, you can only do your research to determine what you think is a fair price.

[–]LiLBoner0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The reason to sell it is to buy even better stocks for a better price I guess. But I should keep some in the stocks I believe in.

[–]jackson_c_frank0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Watch out for value traps. And be prepared for the fact that a value stock that's out of favor can lose money for years before the market starts to come around on it. Make sure you're not taking on so much leverage that you can't stay solvent. I'm not sure how old you are, but if you're not old enough to remember a bear market, I'd be really careful.

[–]LiLBoner0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I'm always worried for bear markets. Which is why my leveraged trades are always short (time, not direction) I also will make sure I'll always have some cash.

[–]funATL11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I know. That's why I asked. Anyone making that much consistently would never give away their secret.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood[S] 8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This isn't fundamental trading I'm referring too, which is Warren Buffett's style. Day trading is a totally different beast.

Join this group and scroll through, people are constantly posting their % return on their portfolios. lots of people 100%+ for the month. This isn't fundamental trading which is what you are probably thinking of. These guys are trading stocks in and out within minutes. It takes a lot of work and knowledge of what's going on. They aren't buying stocks of Apple and hold them for a year with 100% return. You have to learn to trade highly volatile stocks.


I will say that volatility trading is only scalable to about 30-100k. You start to run into volume and liquidity issues with the stock beyond that. Aka, you can't buy 50,000 stocks of something(the average is 1-4k) because you won't be able to offload them and sell it. Not enough people in the market to buy them from you. Volatility stocks all inevitably tank and you'd lose your ass if you invested more than a few grand. Day traders make all their money within 1-30mins of a trade usually then they sell out. This is why you don't see long term investors making massive returns, because it's not possible to invest a million dollars into a volatile day trade stock.

Here's some successful day traders that line out exactly what they do. Not a fan of Warrior Trading but he knows his shit and posts his Tax statements. He made $290k last year and only day trades for about 2 hours a day.



[–]AthenaOverAres16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

lots of people 100%+ for the month

What a great example of survivorship bias.

[–]Lo-G0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Survivorship bias is unfalsifiable. It only serves as a way to stop people from soing what they might do.

[–]Satou40 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You can easily make 10% or more every month. The problem comes when you try to do it with billions of dollars. You're probably fine up to about 200-500k, so think 50k per month. Beyond that, you attract attention, you change the price easily by yourself, big boys come to take your money. You can probably swing trade with a lot more and make 5-10% but the longer you hold the greater the risk. So I prefer daytrading.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep lol. Buy into a volatile stock with 500k and that price is going to rocket, everyone will see it and scalp your money away within a day or two.

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[–]CNNDoxxedMe0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Two of the most esoteric and subjective TAs



[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood[S] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

lots of people do it different ways. Breakout/momentum trade low caps for day trade. Some people do option spread trading which is less risk but less reward. You can also swing trade $8-30 stocks on momentum with a trailing limit stop. Safer but less reward. I have a friend who started trading in january with 4k, he's up to 15k now so that's like... 50%ish return a month. You just have to find a strategy that works for you, stick to it and repeat.

The most basic one I see people start with is breakout trading low caps. They set buy limits just above a resistance line in analytical trading, if the stock breaks out they take a position and ride it out for 10-80% return on the day. Then they set a sell limit around 2% below their entry position so if the stock breaks the wrong way they cut out their lose and get out of the position. At most your risk is only ever 2% of your trade but the potential for return is 5-20% average but some days I've seen stocks break to 80% return. That's the most basic strategy I've seen but the art is analyzing how far the breakout will go and when to enter/exit the positions.

[–]smyger1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

As a day trader I can confirm what you write is good, it's flattering to me that you are both daytrading and investing I like that. I do the same. For someone that just started reading TRP, what to start with? Any special older post you can suggest I read?

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly best material is the sidebar, then the top posts of all time. Set a goal to read 5 posts a day or something till you get through the top 300-500. I've got a good article called "The Golden Rule: How To Not Get Fucked Over In Business" which is essentially the same as portfolio diversification and having multiple revenue streams and assets allocated separately. However most of my writing is psychology based, relationship dynamics, field reports and mentality shifting.

Best thing to do is find endorsed guys you relate to and read their stuff. There's lots of different guys from different walks with varying advice. Building a mental character of who they are helps to relate and improve yourself.

[–]Top_Brazzler1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If he earned 10% a month, without risk, he'd be the next Warren Buffet.

[–]M1ster_X6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Basically, don't spend every waking hour of your life on this sub after swallowing the pill. Take in as much information as possible, read through the sidebar, read any and all books you're recommended, and then go put that shit into action for yourself. the longer you wait, the less returns you get from it.

[–]fromthecrypt85 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Especially like the point on being aware of internal negativity. People thrive off positive energy, so any negative or bitter outlook will damage your social interactions. It's a major one for me, this one.

[–]Dont-Complain5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting post. I've kinda done all things you posted without actually reading TRP like at all (this is like the four post I read ever) or thinking all girls are sluts. These are natural conclusion people should come to if they just do daily self-reflections.

But I guess I've always been someone that at aims at self improvement.

And I believe that people should improve themselves in this order:

Body for discipline -> Soul for Confidence -> Intelligence for Wealth

Otherwise it always seems to go down a self destructive path.

[–]AnythingForSuccess2 points3 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

10% in month

Please tell me what out-of-this-world investment will yield you 10% in a month? I am willing to pay for this information.

[–]AthenaOverAres10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

10% in month

not hard

10% every month

impossibly unlikely

[–]AnythingForSuccess0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

10% in one month

-20% in the second month

is not hard I agree. And is the most realistic scenario here.

10% every month will make you richer than Bill Gates in a few years.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood[S] 0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

Read my other comments. Look up warrior trader, he'll teach you for 4.5k

[–]AnythingForSuccess3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Day trading? Swing trading? Stock trading? If that is the case then it does not work and will not give you 10% a month. Even Buffett averaged something like 20% annual and he became richest person in the world. If someone is making 10% a month he would beat all the billionaires in no time. But I'd still like to hear the details.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood[S] -2 points-1 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Tell that to the 21k community I linked or the youtubes that makes a couple grand a week.

[–]AnythingForSuccess15 points16 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Oh, you mean community that have to sell their services, because obviously making ABSOLUTELY INSANE and OTHERWORLDLY 10% percent monthly gain is not enough for them?

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood[S] -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

No like the 21,000 people in the community that the majority of post their portfolio return % which average anywhere from 50-300% returns. Also that techbud community is 100% free, they aren't selling you anything. Not a fan of warrior trader who charges 4.5k

[–]AthenaOverAres1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

21,000 people in the community ... majority of post their portfolio return %

10,000+ people posting their returns. Sure.

Willing to bet a small fraction of that post. With high volatility, a 22,000 monkeys throwing darts would end up with 100+ returning triple digits.

[–]AnythingForSuccess4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So they are all billionaires? Is there a Forbes article on these wunderkinds? Absolutely amazing. I mean, these internet guys are way smarter than thousands of genius brains combined that work at WallStreet and use HFT tools with servers next floor to stock exchange.


[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't ask me where you can pay for it then bitch when I give you a source. If u don't want to pay for it then do your own damn research for free like the majority of people do including how I did it.

You obviously are well versed in how the stock market works and know what your talking about so take my advice as 2 cents.

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

warrior trader is an amazing course. going through it now. my best friend signed up for it and gave me all the videos and lessons for free. this shit is invaluable resource.

[–]nonstoplife3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"When you reach the point that you aren't getting anything out of something, stop wasting your time with it and find a new thing to learn from".

Like this. Says it all. I've stayed too long in too many things that weren't working for me anymore, thinking somehow that endurance showed strong character or something. Nope, just my own procrastination in not moving on. Life's too short.

[–]randarrow3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, same reason I unsubscribed from atheism and childfree. Every once in a while I go look to see if I want to return, answer is always nope. Keep assuming I'll do the same to Manosphere, outdoors, and financial subreddits. frugal_jerk can be pretty weird at times...

Dude, do you even thrift?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Even though I agree that only a small number of people actually care about me, it still stings a bit to read.

Thanks for the reminder and best of luck

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a crucial post and it's why I take a 3 month break from TRP every once in a while.

Reddit is an MMO of sorts, it's a stupid game of validation and bullshit, and it's a treadmill of stimulation and triggering and negativity and circlejerking.

If you feel like you are ready to do monk mode as a newbie, then take the plunge. Along with quitting LoL and excessive porn and weed, quit Reddit. Completely. TRP will be there when you get back.

This is one thing I liked about PUA. Old school PUA was all about the field reports - sure there were many storytellers, but if you were smart you could tell who was actually out there in the field 2 nights a week. And when you learned some new shit, like when I learned some new shit, I remember I'd be so hyped to try out some new shit that I'd be itching for Friday.

TRP is great, but learning TRP ideas through your own exploration and internalization is even better. If you find yourself feeling down or frustrated or negative, quit reddit for a while. TRP will be here if you really feel you need more theory or learning or advice.

[–]1DubbleFUPAwitCheez6 points7 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

What's your resource for learning about finance? What would you say is a good starting point for someone with little experience with it?

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood[S] 43 points44 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

First thing you have to do is learn all the lingo and jargon. Then you can learn the principles and strategies.

Investopedia is a fantastic place to get learn the lingo. Just search a word you don't understand and there will be a short article explaining it.

Then you can go two ways, learn pragmatic practices like Fundamental Investing vs Analytical Investing, Day Trading vs swing trading, stocks vs options trading, forex trading, etc.

Or you can study the grand scheme and mentality you need to become wealthy. From my experience you first need to have the mentality of a wealthy person before you can become wealthy. Like how TRP teaching you to be a certain way before you actually are. A good analogy is, "You don't meet any 80 year old people that are poor and great with their money". Just doesn't happen, your wealth is directly correlated to your behavior and outlook. Mentality and frivolous spending dictate your wealth, not how much your job pays you or your hourly wage. I know people making 100k a year that are fucking broke and will be broke the rest of their lives just because they don't care to learn how to use money.

I'd start with studying the most successful investors and businessmen ever. Learning how powerful compound investing is will probably be the most important thing. This is a great video over Warren buffett and his overarching mentality to investing. Study everything you can on him and how he "Thinks". He's mentality is what you need to learn and emulate.

The Intellegent Investor is probably the best primer book you'll ever read for investing. Its an extension to Buffetts mentality. The technicals will be over your head as a novice but pay attention to the mentality like buffett. It's written by a guy that entered the stock market in 1915 and survived through 5 recessions and is considered one of the best investing books ever written. It's one of the first books Warren Buffett ever read, he talks about it too in that video I linked. It's been updated every five years since it was written in the 70's. I'd suggest learning as much about Benjamin Graham, the author of this book, as you do Warren Buffett. Cause he's who Buffett learned from.

Now, once you get the mentality and lingo down you can focus on actual strategies and pragmatics. Financial Education youtube channel is a good place to learn fundemental investing. he's a bit goofy but he's solid on his delivery and takes a more modern approach to the buffett style of investing.

I'd recommend learning the basics of fundamental investing first. Learn how to read balance sheets, cash flow statements, income reports. Study market caps of companies, P/E Ratios, are they under or over valued, etc.

Once you have the basics of fundamental down then you can learn analytical. This is where you can make high returns on your investments but it is greater risk unless you learn how to manage them. Tons of people lose their ass in analytical because they don't know what they are doing. Educate yourself and don't be one of them. youtube the difference between day trade vs swing trade, momentum vs breakout trading, learn the difference between options and stocks, support and resistance lines, studies, indicators & signals.

That should be a good start.

edit Also Download the Robinhood app, it's the first free trading app ever. So you can literally start with $10 if you want and fuck around. the beauty of trading and investing is, it's not about the amount you start with. It's your % return per day, per month, per year. There are people day trading with 300%+ return in a month. They can take $50 and turn it into $15 or 5k and turn it into 15k. your return percent is the magic number, not how much you start with.

[–]WhorehouseVet5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

One book I'd recommend is Random Walk Down Wallstreet. Great book on the theory behind index investing.

The Millionaire Next Door is a great book to introduce you to the minds of those who are wealthy. Basically it's not to keep up with the Joneses, and live within your means.

[–]SocialJusticeWhiner1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

I really like Buffet too. His models of thinking are something to take note of. I highly recommend his stockholder letters and the two biographies on him Buffett: The Making of an American Capitalist and Snowball. You'll take away several key differences between Graham and Buffett. Buffetts portfolio is much more concentrated on a handful of stocks than Graham, Buffett takes many qualitative factors into consideration like a company's sustainable competitive advantage, and buffett will go all in on stocks if he thinks they're priced right instead of keeping a considerable amount of the portfolio in bonds.

When Graham was in operation computers were not a thing so they were largely looking for companies that were under priced and had more in liquid assets-debt/share than price/share but all this work was by hand and no one else was doing it, today using fundamental analysis you're unlikely to find companies like that in mature markets but fundamental analysis will help you understand a company better making you a better investor. Buffetts continuation of the value investing philosophy expands upon this and takes into consideration qualitative factors but looks at each share like a part of the business, instead of paper to be traded.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood[S] 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Thanks, haven't gotten to the stockholder letters yet but they are the second reading always recommended to me after The Intelligent Investor. Comparing and contrasting strategies has been where I've learned the most honestly. I'd also recommend anyone looking to get into it is to learn different strategies and choose what works for you. I see a lot of people just find one strategy or mentor and only do that, never branching out. Investing isn't just about investing money, but also investing in your education and knowledge. With more knowledge brings more returns.

[–]SocialJusticeWhiner0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I entirely agree with you about knowledge. I'm anxious about other investing philosphies because I feel like value investing reduces your risk the most and creates the most upside additionally WBs models of thinking can be applied to any business. Trading stocks not for what they're fundamentally worth but for what the market feels like they're worth right now makes me anxious but I agree that money can be made doing it, I just think that value investing is more of a sure thing if that makes sense.

[–]CynicalGreek points points [recovered] | Copy Link

You may want to look into regression analysis if you are good at math and some programming

Literally blows everything out of the water if you set up a good model ( well that's the hard thing to do and noone gives his hard job for free, incl me) and let it screen candidates for you. You screen stocks 10 times faster than any screener out there and I really mean this. With the time you got freed up you can study the "selected" stocks in depth.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Is that anything like machine learning? Had a feel people tell me about more involved scanning but haven't put much into it yet

[–]CynicalGreek points points [recovered] | Copy Link

Well ill try to explain it as simple as I can: You create a parameter and a variable for everything you believe affects the price (eg. P/E ratio, debt, sector, GDP, season etc. whatever you can imagine). You put together the prices of stocks along with the values of the variables and you get values for the parameters. After that you use the values that you got to get an expected value for each stock (the variables are known right? I mean current P/E is known). Obviously you pick the undervalued ones and do your reading. Much faster than using the stupid screeners even paid services offer. If your model is good you'll get stellar results. If not... make it better. It's worth the trouble.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Reading into it now on investopedia. Is it mostly for swing and long positions or possible to day trade with the setup? Sounds like it's more for options or long positions.

[–]NietzscheExplosion1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

When Buffet started , things were far different. Be careful trying to emulate him, trying to build a stack. You cannot do what he did in his early days and you CERTAINLY cannot do what he does now.

You can't buy stocks he buys, but they are already 10% inflated after he buys them. You wait for them to correct 7-8% and then buy....as one example.

[–]SocialJusticeWhiner1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

On average the market is too frothy to value invest right now. "Be greedy when everyone else is fearful. Be fearful when everyone else is greedy."

Things were far different when Buffet started. There were 3x as many stocks in the US and not as many analysts/investment firms or capital. If you want US equities at a fair price you'll have to wait for Mr Market to become more pessimistic.

[–]NietzscheExplosion1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Totally agree. I am a counter herd investor type. It's very difficult to have the balls to(sometimes) eat a 20% loss for a few months to suddenly get the 200% gain(over a cycle).

[–]1DubbleFUPAwitCheez1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for the comprehensive response. I saved it all off and will be sure to look through it all thoroughly later. I appreciate it.

[–]Satou41 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Thanks. I think most of us need to be reading trp less and doing more instead, unless we find ourselves actively learning something new every day, or unless we come here to contribute.

Re: stocks. I've been studying for 2-3 years fairly diligently. You'll probably succeed faster just due to your commitment level. I feel very close to being consistently profitable. I know how to identify stocks to watch for the day, reversal patterns, ... the hardest part is learning how to avoid traps and reduce risk. I can make 50 a day all week and then have one moment of gambling outside the system and lose the entire week's profits in a few minutes.

It's important to understand the different buying groups and selling groups. Avoid conflicting signals. Ideally you want as many reasons as possible to enter, and as few as possible reasons for a trend against your opinion. If there are 2 reasons to buy and 2 to sell, don't invest everything. If there are 10 for and 2 against, go balls deep.

I hope I taught something and didn't just ramble. I wanted to contribute, this is the way I know how.

Edit: don't get too complicated with indicators. Find one or two good simple ones that the market appears to consistently react to. The way I see it is, why bother learning about complicated bullshit strategy when the reality is, the more people there are who know a strategy, the more likely it is for the market to react to that strategy. Thus, reaction lines, moving averages, sometimes Bollinger bands.

I don't like to call them support and resistance. It can confuse you when the price doesn't bounce and reverse direction. I would rather call them reaction lines or reaction areas. The idea is that, you only buy or sell within those areas when you have a good reason and a good reward:risk ratio. Avoid entering outside those areas. Example, price is falling towards a "support" line. Time to watch the market's reaction. Well, price hesitated and then went through. Consider selling to open a short position. Another case, the market did react to the line as support, consider buying.

The market exists to be reacted to. Acting ahead of the market is almost always a gamble. Don't catch falling knives; wait for the dead cat bounce. Later you will see that after entering and babysitting a bit, it's likely the trend will continue until the next reaction area, so it's possible to relax.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

It's important to understand the different buying groups and selling groups. Avoid conflicting signals. Ideally you want as many reasons as possible to enter, and as few as possible reasons for a trend against your opinion. If there are 2 reasons to buy and 2 to sell, don't invest everything. If there are 10 for and 2 against, go balls deep.

Na that's definitely great advice, especially for anyone starting.

Jump on youtube and start looking up proper risk management for day trading man. All your shortcomings are something someone else has already figured out. If there's someone making 1k a day doing it, no reason you can either. You setting stop limits to reduce your risk to 2% of the position? Using fibonacci retracements to calculate breakout potential on profits? Using the line tool to calculate P/L potentials?(assuming your using ThinkorSwim).

Options are a bit confusing to start with but they're a safer alternative with more consistency until you line out your risk/reward issues.

[–]Satou41 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I use daily pivot points as potential reaction lines, sometimes SMA20, 50, 200, rarely Bollinger bands on 1min, 5m, 15m charts. Even though i don't like trailing indicators because they can change, whereas price is fixed, RSI is fairly consistent. Below 30 RSI buy the cross above 30, above 70 sell the cross below 70. Fibs are entering the realm of complicated, my opinion is not enough people are using those compared to these. Of course past reaction prices as other reaction lines. The idea is to not have too many reaction areas. You want to pick the best and simplest ones. Maybe fibs is my missing thing, I'll spend this week taking fibs seriously. I typically set a target 90% of the way to the next daily pivot, and use the previous 5m or 15m low as my stop, giving a bit of room. I use tradingview, user scripts are awesome.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Fibs only work on the more volume and lower volatile low cap stocks from what I've seen. They can work in $1 or lower stocks but from what I've seen the volatility is just to high to get an accurate reading. Check out ricky Gutierrez youtube and watch him use the drawing line tool to calculate potentials for risk and rewards. What I've been doing is scanning for stocks with historic volatility ratios which indicate the potential for swings or breakouts as well as how accurate the fib is going to be. Combine that with understanding volume and share float and you'll get a good idea of potential risk to reward.

Share float is probably the biggest indicator of potential reward though. Stocks with 10mil or lower float are great money makers.

[–]Satou40 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm wary of pennies and sub $1, I'd rather trade options. I understand they sometimes break out hugely, but it's not as easy to find those every day. I'd love to be able to trade those, unfortunately I think I'm not at that level of understanding yet.

Defending your bankroll is key while learning. I just had an insight from your post, some stocks will react to more complicated indicators. It probably means there is a group that believes in those, and they're watching that specific stock. I prefer to stay simple, daily pivots and RSI work everywhere I've looked. Definitely worth knowing the community's preferences for that particular, though.

Edit: short squeezes are awesome

[–]FigotedBaggot1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dude before I read the rest of this I just wanna tell you that first paragraph was fuckin funny

[–]Mescuzzi1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Dude, this post is awesome. I happened to see it, and I'm glad I read it. I absolutely agree with you 1000% on the way you view TRP right now. I go on it occasionally, just to get a dose of how fucked up life can be, but I'm at the point where I feel like I've learned all that I can (besides book recommendations).

I've been straight hustling over the past year, and I'm easily going to clear 6 figures. This post inspired me to nut up and get cracking on investing. Only other investing I've done so far (with a 250% return) is in Ethereum. I'm long on it, and I plan on putting more in. It's dipping down, but who knows for how long.

Keep kicking ass brother, you got my respect

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

If you're making 6 figures you could retire in 4 years. My advice,

Cut all expenses you can is key to maximizing profits. Buy a house and rent out rooms to friend to cover your mortgage entirely(don't waste money paying rent). Drive a shitty car for 2 years and cut your auto payment. Switch to Ting to save on your cell bill. With this alone you cal reduce your living expense to $300-700 a month not including any school debt or loans you may have. This savings alone of not paying rent or car payments should net you 5-15k a year. And your house will be an asset now as it's generating you revenue that directly goes into paying itself off. The house will scale with inflation as well so you also have a compounding asset.

next pay off all credit cards as fast as possible, 11%+ interests will fucking kill you.

After that you should be able to easily pump that 5-15k and anything else into investments and net anywhere from 10-300% return a month depending on the trade strategy you go with. Take the money and the end of the year and try to pay down the mortgage as fast as possible.

Repeat till the house is payed then contract a rental agency company to handle the leasing. They'll rent the house out for you, skim 10% of the rent and you receive a check every month. Now you have a second revenue stream, an asset paid for and compounding as real estate increases.

By this point all your living expenses should be covered. buy a new house and use the revenue from the first one to pay for it. Repeat process.

That is a basic game plan but you can crunch the numbers on how long it will take you. Once you reach your second house you can pretty much retire as long as you feel financially stable with good cash in the bank & or in your portfolio.

[–]Mescuzzi0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, I've actually cut back significantly in the last two years, but I definitely have room for more. I meal-prep all my food, I dont go out to bars and shit anymore. I used to have no car payments, but I took the VW TDI emissions scandal buyback and reinvested it into a newer TDI where Im basically paying $1k before taxes on the car, but the car is 4 years newer, half the mileage, and fully loaded. If you know the TDI's, they are commuter cars.

I have no CC payments as I pay them off every month. I use my CC for my side hustle beer business selling Monkish and Bottle Logic beers on the side, collect points, etc.

I have 3 years worth of student loans I'm trying to pay off (1.5% APR, long story but paying my well-off aunt and uncle back after they consolidated for me). I live in Los Angeles, so I'll need to save about $150k to afford a 20% down payment on a place. I work for AT&T, so my phone bill is 50% off, for unlimited everything, and decent service, so I cant complain.

All of those things you mentioned is EXACTLY what I plan on doing (except maybe the roommates, but it makes sense thinking about it).

The $18k I get back I'm going to dump into Eth and let that money work for me for a couple years. Trying to roll all the money that I get from my beer business into other investment vehicles. May sound lame or not worth the time, but looking into auto detailing on the side as well. Nothing full time or anything, but it'd be an easy way to make a few hundred a month for 1 or 2 days of work. Exponential growth for sure.

But yeah, you and I are on the same page. I fucked up years ago by not paying off my student debt sooner, but better late than never.

Keep hustling brother! Game plan sounds spot on! (P.S. I welcome any other advice btw)

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Since your going into a business venture I'd definitely learn accounting and how books are done. A lot of people fall into the trap of speculative investing vs calculated investing. You need to be thinking, "Where can my money go to maximize return". If you are doing the beer thing purely because you think it'll return well then you are just gambling. you need to be writing out and calculating what you want to see and expect to see per month/quart or year from it. Then think of another way you could be investing your money, is it less risk? more stable? easier to calculate? If you don't meet your numbers don't fall into the psychological pitfall of "Sunk Fallacy". Cut your loses if the numbers don't come out and move on to something better. Thousands of people will beat a dead horse till they're dead too. A big part of investing and business in general is psychology and self awareness. Understand where you're fucking up, what's holding you back and where you can improve.

To give you reference. Day traders with 25k accounts typical net 1-4k a day if they are good and they do most of their trading within the first two hours of market open(9:30-11:30est). So after the initial time investment of learning it, you only spend 2hrs making a grand or more. High return for little effort, and that's just one trading strategy. there's thousands of strategies out there.

Another point of reference would be, how much money can I charge for rent? how many bedrooms can I rent? minus the property tax and mortgage, am I making profit? etc. etc. The nice thing about renting and mortgage is it's very low risk compared to starting a business or stocks.

Also, were I live, there are options to get mortgage at below 20% down, more interest obviously but if you have a solid understand of your finances, investments and projected returns in the future then you can actually save or make more money by taking a higher interest at the cost of saving a year or two it'd take you to gather 150k. Again compounding interest is about the long game. The quicker you get into it at a young age the better your return will be in the long run.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

do you think study finance is worth the time and the effort? This subject intrigue me a lot but I'm a noob in finance...

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes, finance is like chicks or lifting. What you get back is directly tied to how much effort you put in. If you are broke now, no amount of pay raises will make you less broke. Spend time learning how to use money and u'll be able to maximize its utility. Look at money as a tool and less as a resource. You can use it to build more money.

[–]buibeans1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I too left my 9-5 about 6 months ago! And its been a rewarding journey by far.

[–]1hazelfears0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I also don't like going out and blowing 10% of my net in a weekend over booze and pussy anymore, I'd rather reinvest it for 10% return a month and in a year my money doubles.

You've actually just blown my mind.

While 10% may be a bit generous, the sentiment of that statement resonates. Definitely going to try and make a change in the near future.

[–]2awalt_cupcake0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You resonated with me hardcore. Your first year of TRP was a lot like mine. Doubled n counts (or more), spun plates for a long while (though the longest mine spun was 7 months), financially independent, and the slipping. The slipping definitely. The small things you'd realize you started doing again. That shit will scare you straight.

I found your 3 models of confidence to be the perfect word choice for these social dynamics. Glad to hear you're doing well brother!

[–]do_it_or_leave0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Last week I made a post related to your post theme.

I noticed a correlation between a fun read, an improvement of my mood and girl reactions to my presence. I even made a point about having something to learn from this correlation and now your post comes with the answers I was looking for.

Very well timed, thanks!

[–]RedDeadlift0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

This post really hit home for me. I've been on TRP for ~3 years now and while it has been incredibly helpful with dating and getting in shape, I have been overly negative about women lately and am considering a break from TRP for a few months.

So far I haven't had a 9 to 5 in 6 months and it's been the best 6 months of my life.

This is my goal by end of this year. So great to hear you say this. Thanks for the post.

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[–]Lo-G0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Seems like you just lack ambition.

[–]TehDMV0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

How sad is it that we have to apply mathematics and statistics to relationships

[–]asktrpretard0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is great and ironically what I hope to see when I check in with this sub.

I have two questions for you:

I feel like I'm reaching the end of my tenure on the sub since a lot of the posts here seem repetitive, negative, and at their worst regressive to me. Do you have any lessons or posts in particular that stuck with you and resonated with you?

Do you have any recommendations for learning about beginners finance?

[–]Trumeau0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't suppose you have a source for the 67% of Americans lacking 1k in their bank statistic?

That's pretty mind blowing, I'd like some confirmation.

[–]Arabian_Wolf0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Much needed post, you seem to got your shit together but I need your help.

I have an inquiry about my situation.

I'm 29 years old, graduated late from college with B.sc in pharmacy since late 2016, unemployed now for 7 months but got offered a job in medicine purchase, cubicle job, 8-5 five days a week and can start right away, but it has 2 years contract.


The job I want badly, a Medical Representative at one of the Big Pharma companies, but have for wait for it for few months, got strong, influential connection to lead me to it, he already led me to two job interviews, one of them was promising, but since July and August are vacations for Big Pharma I have to wait for it.

What should I choose?

[–]Lo-G0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why the fuck are you asking this to strangers on the internet? Grow a pair.

It's obviously the second option btw.

[–]Arabian_Wolf-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

But a bird in hand is worth two in a bush?

[–]MorganTargaryen0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

TRP should have definitely made it clear to you by now that maybe 1 or 2 people in life will ever really care about you.

Yeah and they were both fat and bad with money. Life sucks.

[–]chadjugo0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Off-topic but 175 is skinny fat? Dude I'm barely 150 at 6'1!

Do I need to consume 4000 calories a day?

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

ya if your 6'1 you need to be eating and hella lifting. at 190 and higher chick become easy mode

[–]Crime-WoW1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

don't forget you're talking to a guy who has posted zero pictures of his physique so don't take what he's saying as gospel. 195 and ripped doesn't just happen.

[–]Barvazon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Without no doubt, TRP and JBP were both the biggest influence I've ever had in my life.

[–]asianincel0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

golden zealot loves this sub its how he found me

[–]Golden_Zealot0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lies, I found him in the phonebook

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Can you recommend some books/podcasts on the finance/trading/business that you've found helpful?

[–]McBlech0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Best thing I've read since Rollo's book. Read the material, take what you need, move on with your life. Too many look to it as a day-to-day "manual". Cool write-up.

[–]Wel1080 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

"In retrospect, pussy is one of the most shallow and unfulfilling resources of confidences. It's purely external & group related."

I think this realization that I hit too hit a while back, is probably the end of the RP journey.

[–]Xaxsparrior-2 points-1 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

TRP seems like a whole lot of mental masturbation, and has not even helped me one bit. Infact it's making things even worse whenever I read this sub Reddit because I end up getting in my head and getting bombarded by negativity. I doubt that a whole lot of the OP is even true.

[–]Agreton4 points5 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

TRP is a resource, a tool for you to use. It is not a self help group, it is not a psychologist, nor is TRP an enabler. TRP isn't going to hold your hand, tell you everything will be fine and that you'll forget about all your pain. You have to help yourself FIRST.

[–]Xaxsparrior2 points3 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

How is it supposed to help me AT ALL, if none of it is even changing or making a difference in how I see things or perceive things? None of this bullshit is helping, since it's all frustrating mental masturbation non-sense! Several members here have already admitted it has not helped them, and does not work. TRP seems to be a cloud of contradictory and confusing but useless conjecture and non-sense that makes people even more tangled up then before.

[–]AthenaOverAres0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Did you even read /u/Agreton 's comment?

[–]Xaxsparrior0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Yes I did! Nothing on the redpill has been useful for change at all, how the fuck is it supposed to help if it's not giving me exact ways to help myself or actual methods through how I can help myself?

[–]Agreton2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ok. First let me state that it is not my intention to be condescending toward you at all, so please don't take it that way if my writing appears to have that flavor.

I took a look through some of your posts, and while I did learn some things, I did not get to find what I was hoping to learn which is what exactly are you trying to get help with. Are you trying to become more open so that you have an easier time talking to women? Are you trying to become better at spinning a plate or two? If it is something like being able to talk to woman, fine, that's simple. Talk to one NEW person every day. They could be male or female, though try and stick to females. You don't have to try and jump in their pants, or get there number. In fact you aren't even obligated to get their phone number or even to be friends with them afterward. The reason you are doing this is to give yourself more massive exposure to things outside of your comfort zone. Once you really start getting into it, day by day, little by little you'll start becoming more adept in conversing with people. If it's just a piece of ass you want, that's pretty easy as well. You can pick up a piece of pussy at almost any bar by finding the homeliest girl there, waiting until just a couple hours before closing and start buying her drinks. She'll most likely appreciate the attention and will be drunk enough to most likely go home with you. If you need help regarding other matters, self improvement, whatever, feel free to let me know, and I'll do my best to assist you, but without more knowledge it makes things a little difficult, especially because we are dealing with too many dynamics here. On one hand you have the plethora of blue pill to red pill converts who are expressing their life experiences. What has worked for many people here, won't always work for everyone else. On the other hand you have the dynamic of the women you are trying to spin. This is where the real discrepancy is. Woman are trivial and frivolous by nature. They are prone to change their mind in a fraction of a second. Women can be very whimsical, and dealing with that dynamic takes a LOT of patience and sometimes a LOT of time.

What are your goals? What are you trying to achieve? Just stating that nothing here has been useful for change at all feels like a you dropped the ball somewhere and it rolled behind the bushes where you cannot see it.

I'll state first that you are a young man, and just on the surface your posts show that you are an intelligent person and fairly articulate. They also show on the surface that you seem to be holding onto some anger or resentment. Either way, I can definitely relate to that.

Change is a difficult thing to work with. People are strange. In the left hand that have security and familiarity, things that have been the way they've always been. In the right hand, they have change. Something foreign, strange, unbalanced and different. People for some strange reason try to hold onto the past. They try to prevent themselves from changing. My grandmother was very much like that. She hated anything new. She didn't want anything to change because she feared the results of that change. However the saddest thing was, that no matter how hard you try, a person is always changing.

A young man doesn't see change. What he sees is the world in an instant, daily photograph with little variation from one day to the next. A middle aged man sees the world somewhat differently. He has had some life altering events in his life. He has begun to see the world as if it was an animated gif. People are moving, drifted and fading in and out of his life. An old man sees the movie as the uncut 4 hour documentary of change, his face has been rubbed in change his whole life. He has seen friends and loved ones pass on, he has seen his job outsourced to another country when our country use to be proud of "Made in America" This is a change based on external stimuli.

When a person needs to change internally, is where things start to get nasty. A person, any person, doesn't change for someone else. It never works. Changing yourself for a woman isn't going to help you at all. You are changing yourself into something else based on the ideology that you will fit a mold an imaginary woman is going to find valuable. It's like playing soccer with no field goals, all you're really doing is aimlessly kicking a ball around back and forth, you don't score any points for that. You need a clear and concise goal for change. Aside from that, a person only truly changes because they WANT to change. So what is it exactly do you want to change? I'll tell you one universal truth about change. If you are familiar with evolution, internal change is exactly like that. Evolution is change over time. Changes not only have to be self serving, but it takes time for things to truly change. Sometimes it takes a lot of time, and often you will not see results right away. That is akin to people who start lifting. Some people think that after lifting for 3 months you'll have rock hard abs, perfect quads, ect. While you may notice some differences after 3 months, you don't really start seeing the effects until a year or so have passed.

I may be wrong about this, but it appears that you are looking for exact ways you can implement what you are reading here, into your real life. We don't really know a lot about you, so helping you with that is not only difficult, but even if we COULD help with that, not only does one method not always work for someone, but there is no instruction manual to this kind of thing that isn't a scam that will cost you 19.95 for the first installment.

The issue with perception is an internal one. When you are not seeing a difference in perception it is because you aren't allowing yourself to see. One thing I've learned over the years is to keep as open of a mind as possible. TRP isn't going to have all the answers for you. Sometimes you will need to step away from TRP, and find those answers out there, in that place we refer to as the real world. Honestly, I can say that about 80% of what I see on TRP is useless to me. The last 20% definitely gives me some insight into how I can improve myself, which is why I still lurk here. It is nice to see things from a different perspective because I may have missed something living in my own little world here.

If you are looking for instant gratification, instant change or instant understanding. You will not find those things here. Like I said, TRP is a tool, a resource for you to use. It isn't a human user manual that tells you exactly how things are, how they will be and how they should be done. Life cannot work like that. We are not automatons. Each of us thinks, feels and lives differently from one person to the next.

Let me know if I can be of further assistance.

[–]AthenaOverAres0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Jesus. How needy are you? Do you need everything to be spoon fed to you or can you think for yourself? Is it impossible for you to read about a concept and apply that in different ways?

[–]SamuraiPizzaCatz2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

The best coaches of any sport all agree that you must tell your student WHY he should be doing specific exercises by telling him HOW it benefits him rather than just giving him a list of things to do and making him figure it out on his own.

People need incentive. This Alfa Male RPing on TRP is pathetic beyond belief.

[–]AthenaOverAres-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I was responding to:

how the fuck is it supposed to help if it's not giving me exact ways to help myself or actual methods through how I can help myself?

Which is partially ironic because there is an abundance of methods one can utilize to try and help themself. Having been on this sub for a while now, I know there is a lot of bullshit; but saying there is nothing of value says more about you than the sub. There is value if you're willing to put in the effort.

That effort cannot be mindless. You have to think about the lessons and creatively apply them in a wide array of situations. With sports, much less so. Running 5k a day will make you a better runner; going to the bar every night will not make you better at picking up girls. Different topics require different methods of teaching.

To that end, I was going for a Socratic Method. Further, the one I responded to was hitting with fire so I responded with the same vigor. I've found this works best. Feel free to respond to his post and show me the error of my ways.

[–]SamuraiPizzaCatz1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Feel free to respond to his post and show me the error of my ways.

My heart bleeds for you.

That's an oversimplification, and seemingly intentional. How about a fighting sport, instead?

"Coach I already know how to punch. We've spent hours doing the same shit, now. Why the fuck am I punching this heavy bag so much and so hard?"

  • Coach A: Just do it faggot.
  • Coach B: It's stressing your bones to make them denser, causing the likelihood of injury to drop and your striking force to increase .

I know which coach would have which student practicing that movement even without the coach around.

Or another example - guitar.

"Why am I fidgeting with this fucking string, dude. This is boring; I want to practice songs!"

  • Teacher A: Bro what do you want from me? You can't figure it out on your own?
  • Teacher B: You're improving your dexterity, which will come in handy when you practice arpeggios, legatos, chord progressions, pull offs, and other tricky techniques. All of which are present in a lot of the songs you enjoy.

It can't be mindless effort, but not enabling people to be mindful OF the effort by saying "stop needing it spoon fed to you" is retarded and hypocritical.

[–]AthenaOverAres1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The point of the example was to show that in sports there is a reliable, clean link to cause and effect. Much less so in social interactions. The difference is significant because the optimal way to teach depends on the complexity of the subject.

But I do like how you point out it was an oversimplification then massively oversimplify my approach in the next two examples.

First, note that the person I responded to wasn't asking 'why'. Asking why entirely changes the context. As I noted earlier, I fought fire with fire. I wouldn't have fought water with fire. Asking 'why' implies he was at least trying to learn, rather than just throwing a tantrum about not being spood-fed.

Nonetheless, I'll use your example to show my logic. Replace the first Coach A with:

No kidding we've spent hours on this. Why are you complaining? Are you just looking for quick results or do you want to work hard? Is it impossible for you to see the benefit?

And the 2nd with:

You are practicing songs. How the hell do you think songs are made? Did [their favorite guitarist] just woke up one day and decide to play [song] perfectly? Wouldn't it be impossible for [other guitarist] to play [other song] without [technique]??

The point is to get the target to start to think critically. "No, I want to work hard. Fuck you, I see the benefit and am going to keep practicing." "It would be impossible to play [song] without [technique]."

And, my original:

How needy are you? Do you need everything to be spoon fed to you or can you think for yourself? Is it impossible for you to read about a concept and apply that in different ways?

"Fuck you, I'm not needy. Asshole. I can apply concepts in whatever way I damn well please."

[–]loafybrown0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

i think ambitious use of information that resonates with you rather than the accumulation of more with letting your right actions and behaviors in the world of taking action in whatever endeavor it is that it may be will bring forth more change and learnings to move forward than dwelling upon group-think / micromanaging a communities general concepts

[–]asktrpretard0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I would feel similarly if it weren't for Patrice O'Neal's example. It's hard to learn from just text posts.

To me the general concept is learning to commit to your instincts with or without exterior approval. This is pretty difficult to solely self teach so it's good to find resources that help you build yourself.

[–]Xaxsparrior0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

can you provide resources and links? Because nothing here so far, including the side bar actually help, and neither does self-congratulatory mental masturbatory posts like the OP and so many others that are difficult to believe....

[–]asktrpretard0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just google Patrice O Neal and see if you like him enough to listen to him. Here's a clip if you want one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28gvMM8KXm4

[–]asktrpretard0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

here's another one that just popped up for me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFUq6xX0O7w

[–]Lo-G0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What are you trying to achieve, that you think TRP should be helping you with? This community can't help you if you don't know what you want.

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[–]Agreton0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

TRP is a tool to help you better yourself, by using other redditors experiences and insights so that you can learn a little. Some about yourself, some about other people, and a lot about how women's minds and emotions work. Helping yourself means changing yourself. If you are in TRP it is because you are tired of the same carousel going in the same circle that it always has been. If you are in TRP, it is because you were, or are a beta blue pill male. You realize that it is getting you nowhere in life, and that you are missing a fundamental piece of yourself that you need to address. Helping yourself means a lot of things. If you need someone to talk to, therapy can be somewhat helpful. It means lifting if you are out of shape, but it doesn't have to be lifting. If you have a hobby that you are productive with and love, e.g. I love making candles. Do that. Helping yourself first means taking on monk mode if you have to. Making changes in your life so that every day is not the same any longer. If you have success with women, if you have friends, if you are doing well, perhaps you do not need TRP. Some people do not need this subreddit to find themselves in the miasma that we call society. If this is you, if you feel you no longer need TRP and that you have changed your life enough, congratulations, good luck and take care. If something is still missing though, perhaps you have to keep helping yourself, putting yourself first or searching for that missing something.

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[–]Lo-G0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a place where men can share honest advice concerning how to improve their success in the sexual market place without so-called "moral" judgement.

[–]Leonard_Church points points [recovered] | Copy Link

Currently studying compound investing my money, day/swing trading, options, forex, etc. as well as building my own business.

Take my advice and avoid options and forex and stick to simple day trading and your business idea. I have seen over a dozen guys get burned badly by either Forex or options (or both), and many of them were extremely smart men, borderline genius even. Options and Forex trend towards being unprofitable unless you are working for an exchange. Yes, you can make a lot of money if you have the right combination of skill and luck, but your time is better served doing other things. Breaking even or making a tiny profit are negative outcomes if you factor time lost and opportunity cost.

"I want to get into Options/Forex" is honestly not far removed from "I want to learn to count cards and make money playing blackjack."

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ya I haven't gotten into options much but it seems a lot more like gambling than analytical day trading.

[–]AthenaOverAres0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

options much but it seems a lot more like gambling than analytical day trading

Options are the vehicle, not the strategy. Can be used for high or low risk strategies. Day trading is literally "informed" gambling.

Over the short term, exchange rates are about the closest thing to a pure random walk in finance.

[–]Orishasinc10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would disagree with that statement. You can make a lots of money " speculating" in forex and purchasing options only if you have properly assessed you time preference with regard to the positions that you take. Day trading is a fools game indeed!

[–]circlhat-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Being a virgin till I was 21 I can relate. In retrospect, pussy is one of the most shallow and unfulfilling resources of confidences.

Not really, I like pussy and it is fulfilling I also like being around women in and being in a relationship

For that reason when i stopped reading TRP my focus on improving myself actually increased.

I don't know what you are expecting, it seems you are so entrench in blue pill ideology that you must attack something male

TRP isn't a self improvement group, It's like you are criticizing TRP for not wiping your ass crack, every thing you said has nothing to do with TRP

Assess your level or return from TRP because TRP does come at the cost of negativity.

Defining male emotions as negative, you see in blue pill men can only cry and whine, therefore any discussion about your issues with women are seen as negative.

Women gets beat up by boyfriend, she is a survivor, Men gets beat up by girlfriend, he is a bitter angry person

I remember finding TRP the hard way, though trial and error, I would of killed for this back in the day, but sadly it seems TRP has gone the way of seduction

. Reading TRP every day and having a constantly stream of sluts and whore stories

This is confusing, TRP doesn't have a constant stream of those stories, they simply have a constant stream of normal everyday people.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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