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What is a "high number"? At what point would you say "She's slept around too much for an LTR"?

April 23, 2014
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I'm curious to see what you all think a high number would be, factoring in age. How many dicks is too many?

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Title What is a "high number"? At what point would you say "She's slept around too much for an LTR"?
Author jobs33ker
Upvotes 36
Comments 139
Date April 23, 2014 3:56 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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[–][deleted] 65 points65 points | Copy Link

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[–]icanteventhecat11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Jeebus, triple digits. That's utterly repulsive. At that level, they have almost certainly come into contact with STIs.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You have to make them think that you are a super sex-positive feminist guy so that they'll be comfortable with telling you their real number without fear of getting judged.

[–]jobs33ker[S] 14 points15 points  (30 children) | Copy Link

Im spinning my ex as a plate right now (bad idea, btw...way too much baggage and expectation of commitment to make it work properly) and one of the reasons I'm not getting "back together" with her is because of her number, which she says is 13. So i assume its closer to 36. She's so fucking adamant about it being 13, every time I bring it up. That just makes me believe her less. I swear, any time a woman is really trying to make you believe something, you can bet your ass the opposite is true.

[–]1blahbergstein19 points20 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

which she says is 13. So i assume its closer to 36. She's so fucking adamant about it being 13, every time I bring it up. That just makes me believe her less.

To play devils advocate here, it might be possible that she is telling the truth and your refusing to believe her is what is pissing her off.

Lots of people get touchy when they are called liars. I'm not saying that you're wrong, but there could be an alternative explanation for her reaction.

[–]HitlersCow2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lots of people get touchy when they are called liars

Liar here. Can confirm.

[–]adamrgisom19 points20 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

13 is damn high as it is. To me, there doesn't seem a material difference between 13 and 36 -- they're both in the most promiscuous 5% of the population.

[–]jobs33ker[S] 8 points9 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

it is damn high! She's 28. And was in a relationship for 10 years before me. So what the fuck! That means she banged around quite a bit.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

That means she banged around quite a bit.

Not really.... Probably had sex for the first time when she was 15 or 16, 13 guys would mean she's averaging less than 1 a year which is pretty low. Most attractive women will go through more than 30 guys during college.

[–]JD423050 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

He said she was in a 10 year relationship. If she was faithful, that's 10 years for one guy. So if she started when she was 15, that makes about 4 guys per year. That is assuming she's telling the truth, which is doubtful, and who knows if she was also blowing dudes.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

If she was in a 10 year relationship he should get rid of her just for that.

[–]JD423051 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Why?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Because I wouldn't want to be with a girl that was with some other guy for half of her life.

[–]JD423053 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

But would you rather that or a girl with no sign of longterm relationships?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

lol at "most promiscuous 5%" You are delusional if you believe that or believe any of those surveys saying that the average is around 4. You only think those number are low because women are telling you that, and you WANT to believe it. Unless you get married to an 18 year old, it's going to be very hard to find someone who has fucked less than 10 guys. Especially if she is attractive. Most attractive women I knew in college were 30+, it was very hard to find someone under 10. Think about a 25 year old woman. Probably had sex for the first time at 15 or 16. It's very rare to come across an attractive woman who only averages 1 new guy a year.

[–]5 Endorsed ContributorStayinghereforreal12 points13 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Are you seriously having that conversation about her number of sex partners more than once, after letting her know you expected a low number? Forget it now, because she said 13, and she will likely never move off that now, since your reaction was not one that gave her the comfort to shyly start admitting to 14 through 21...which happened all in one night on spring break.

And then, later, had you played it right and built up more comfort via non-judgmental discussions, she could giggle as she admitted to 22 through 29, which were those hawwwwt guys on the lacrosse team she got tagged by during her year as a groupie, er, equipment manager for the team.

Etc.

If you want to hear a woman's real history, be utterly and totally chill about it, and expect to have more than a few conversations. Over time, they will open up if they get the sense you are all in favor of them having had these experiences, and it makes them, in your view, a better partner.

[–]Endorsed ContributorUrsusG4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This.

But you can still expect to learn the 'real' number during your breakup argument, when she throws it in your face.

[–][deleted] -2 points-2 points | Copy Link

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[–]itsmsbetty4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Dude don't shame her. That's the easy(fake) way of getting 'respect'. That's like when your dad told you you're RETARDED for not doing good on homework. It destroys her confidence. Teach her by example. Don't be negative. If she fucks up, show her how it's done right. If it's a bad fuck up, coldly next her. Simply cut contact, don't text her some stupid female shit trying to make her feel guilty.

Make her strive to make you proud, not strive to not disappoint you.

[–]UrNameIsToby2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

If she fucks up, show her how it's done right.

WTF am I her mentor? A parent?

[–]itsmsbetty0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Mentor would be morr accurate. You should be the alpha figure in her life. Remind her of her father and she's hooked. Teach her, show her, and she'll worship your cock

[–]UrNameIsToby0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Wow man, you must have a lot more time than me. I have zero energy to teach a grown adult how to person. I'm fine with defining boundaries, but molding a woman? Please, let some beta sap put forth the effort to make them better.

[–]itsmsbetty-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol so you think a beta is going to be able to adequately teach her?

This is one of the ideas of TRP. You don't find a unicorn. You find a girl and mold her into your unicorn.

I like being this type of person. Because it's not just for girls. I like being looked up to, and I like people aspiring to do better because of me. I like motivating people and having them respect me because of it. Because I remember the few people in my life that were like that. They NEVER insulted you, they never judged you, they were always accepting and they were strong men. Leaders.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The fuck is wrong with you man? You have to shame your girl into wanting you?

[–]UrNameIsToby1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

every time I bring it up

How often do you bring it up? Jesus Christ, just accept that that's the number she's going with. If you're going to assume 3x higher, fine, but why are you bringing it up a bunch?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Or she is just pissed off that you keep asking her the same question over and over again and you still don't believe her? If some girl refused to believe the # I told her and kept asking me all the time, I'd be pretty annoyed too.

[–]adamrgisom7 points8 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

science

Now, TRP can criticize these studies all they like, but that doesn't make bald assertions unsupported by research any better. You can't say 'I think X is wrong, therefore Y' - you have to actually support Y.

I suspect the #1 criticism is that women will 'lie' or underestimate their partner count--which is absolutely true and well known to these researchers. Look at the average # of sexual partners men have had to get a good guesstimate of the average # for women.

[–]trias_e2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

There is most certainly a massive selection bias going on with the type of women guys encounter here.

Also, it's by no means counter to TRP theories like hypergamy if women don't fuck alphas all the time, any more than men who don't cheat on their older wives is a counter to 'men find younger women most sexually attractive'. I'm not sure if people really get that here.

[–]adamrgisom1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's what they don't get. The women they sleep with are not the typical woman.

If you sleep with a woman and know nothing else about her, her partner count is probably higher than average.

For the same reason, it's true but counterintuitive that drivers in other lanes go faster than you---it's true for everyone, which seems paradoxical, but isn't. I believe it's because the spacing between cars tends to be larger for faster lanes, so there are more people in slower lanes.

I'm thinking of making a TRP post with just this point, clarified. To the extent that redpillers think all women are sluttier than they are, that is a harmful belief.

[–]Meglomaniac7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Oh please.

33+ year olds with FOUR partners?

Come on. NO WAY NO HOW.

[–]trias_e3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I know some 25+ year old virgin women. They are quite fat and unattractive, but I believe them when they say they are virgins.

[–]Endorsed ContributorLastRevision1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I knew a girl who said she lost her virginity at 30 and, shockingly, it wasn't because she was bad looking. We had sex. I believe her.

[–]Meglomaniac-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Outliers, not relevant to a discussion about the gender as a whole.

Extremely low SMV women of course dont get laid.

[–]Aldovar 34 points34 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I'm a fan of the cock tower theory - Number of dicks x 6 inches. If she fell from that height and gets seriously injured, then that's too much dick.

You could also try summing up the length of every dick she's had. That would be what I'd say in mixed company. Or you exaggerate and say 8 inches or feet, depends on what you want to filter for.

[–]ButterMyBiscuit1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is hilarious and I've never heard it before.

[–]Wolfwoodd31 points32 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

I've said it once and I'll say it again. Learn to screen for relationship potential.. number of partners is not always an exceptionally good indicator of long-term relationship happiness.


Good Girls - Girls who are happy in relationships when their significant other is happy. These girls will tend to go out of their way to do nice things for their guys: cook, clean, give them gifts, play out their sexual fantasies, etc. They are the easiest type to maintain a long term relationship with because they make it fairly easy for the guy.

Freaks - Girls who are happy in relationships when they receive attention and strong emotional states. This is the type guys fall for the quickest, because they generally come off as very vulnerable. This type thrives on validation, both positive and negative. They cause a lot of drama, are more likely to cheat on you (sex is a form of validation), and usually have some form of daddy issues. These are also the type of women who tend to stay in abusive relationships. Guys, don’t get into serious relationships with these types of girls unless you really know what you’re doing. The way to make this work is for the guy to be able to inject a steady amount of drama into the relationship (or find some way to give her strong emotional states).

Hoes - Kind of self-explanatory. These girls are happiest when they are receiving material resources (money, gifts, etc) from guys. They are only interested in dating high-status guys or guys who show a willingness to buy them things. When you meet them, they will probably ask you about your job, what car you drive and/or where you live. They will relentlessly tool a guy over to get what they want. They’ll try to get you to pay for everything. The best way to have a long term relationship with a girl like this is to play the “pimp”. Don’t put up with any of that stuff.. Be clear that she’s going to have to pay for her crap if she wants any chance of seeing you. Be fine with her tooling over her orbiters or get her to tool over her orbiters for your benefit (I.e. send her up to the bar to get you free drinks from AFC‘s).

RED FLAGS (I HAVE PERSONALLY ENCOUNTERED)

  • History of drug abuse and or alcoholism
  • history of poor decision making (like a long line of douche bag ex-boyfriends)
  • seems to be in a constant state of crisis
  • history of depression (un-medicated or not good at keeping up with the medication) or has a mother who’s mentally ill
  • works as a stripper
  • unwillingness to give and/or receive oral sex (I.e. has sexual hang-ups)
  • history of past sexual abuse
  • thinks masturbation is gross (opinions may vary on this one)
  • Assumes you will pay for everything and/or disappears to the bathroom every time a check arrives.
  • No friends
  • Some form of obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD)
  • Bad relationship with her parents, especially her father
  • History of eating disorder (anorexia/bulimia)

[–]jobs33ker[S] 8 points9 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

umber of partners is not always an exceptionally good indicator of long-term relationship happiness.

Maybe not, but there is certainly a line which once crossed, is an automatic DQ.

[–]Wolfwoodd6 points7 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

I admit that number of partners is a good screening tool, it will definitely keep guys from dating freaks. However, it's just not a great screening tool. It's too simple.

Women who have high sexual standards (i.e. high drive & high self-esteem) are inevitably going to have a larger number of partners. For them, it's a numbers game until they find a guy who's compatible. These girls can be awesome in bed and make great girlfriends if you can perform up to their standards.

My gripe is that you shouldn't screen these girls out, just because of their number of partners. In my experience, these types are the best for guys like me who also have a very high sex drive.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

A lot of men aren't comfortable seriously dating a woman whose seen and had many cocks. And I don't blame them. I mean, how can you seriously expect to be the best lover a woman's had if she's fucked 50 guys?

[–]cray-cray-cray5 points6 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

50 is quite the number. But really, if 50, you'd only need to be top 10% to be memorable. I think /u/Wolfwoodd is talking about a much lower number.

And you expect yourself to be the best, by being the best. A woman's lack of sexual experience isn't a reason for a guy to be weak in bed.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

you'd only need to be top 10% to be memorable.

Right, but a lot of men don't want to be just "memorable" they want to be the actual best. This is more attainable with a woman with a very low partner count.

[–]cray-cray-cray5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I understood your point, but you need a two-pronged attack. It's also more attainable if you're better in bed. In fact, that is what will give you the best chance for that, besides only fucking virgins.

I'd further say that being the "best out of five" is more likely to keep a girl enamored with you. Being "reasonably ok out of one" will have her always wondering, until she decides to find out.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's also more attainable if you're better in bed.

I agree, every guy should be trying to reach their maximum potential.

I'd further say that being the "best out of five" is more likely to keep a girl enamored with you. Being "reasonably ok out of one" will have her always wondering, until she finds out.

There's definitely some truth to that, which is why I'd say 3 is probably the sweet spot for least amount of partners a woman can have without wondering too much about what it'd be like to ride carousel.

[–]UrNameIsToby-1 points0 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

That's like feeling good because you're the best "cook" because your wife has only had oatmeal her whole life. I mean, sure, maybe, to her, but it's kind of an empty victory if you ask me.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

So you'd be okay marrying a woman with a partner count of say 20, wherein at least 1-3 of those men had a cock about 2-3 inches longer and thicker than you?

[–]UrNameIsToby0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yep, surprisingly I spend very little time thinking of other dudes dicks. Beyond that, there's an upper limit on what the average woman finds comfortable and can enjoy.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I'll take that example then. Suppose your girl tells you something to the tune of: "OMG one of my exes was just humongous, it felt good sometimes but it was too big to properly blow him or have sex with him more than once a day."

Yep, sounds like a keeper to me.

[–]hiphoprising-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So you would rather be the best player on the Lakers than in the entire Western conference? You're more memorable because you're the most recent, the sex is more than just your cock. You'll have features from other women to admire more.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There's also the plain fact that I don't want to wife up and invest my time, effort, and money into a woman whose had a double or triple digit amount of cocks in every orifice. The idea of investing my effort into someone like that is disgusting to me on a visceral level.

[–]ColdEiric2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is what I would say, and more.

[–]rokr12921 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The girl who drove me to red pill flew all of those red flags. Shiiiiiit

[–]FortunateBum46 points47 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Every chick has fucked way too many guys than you will ever be comfortable with. Just accept it, don't talk about, move on with your life.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea22 points23 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

5-7. The flexibility is there in case they were all from committed relationships. If a chick can't get a relationship to last more than a few months, then why the fuck do you think you'll work out?

If her number is higher than that, then she's craving strange cock, and always will. Her desire for commitment in no way detracts from that. In North America, once she has obtained the resources from her partner she can walk away from the arrangement and keep half of the resources. This allows her to go back to her desire for more cock.

Recall the dualism of female mating strategy.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The flexibility is there in case they were all from committed relationships.

I think this is really important. I have a friend whose number at 23 is around 8, but 5 or 6 were in long-term 8+ month relationships.

Context is important.

[–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Instead of asking her for her count, ask her for her views on sex. What does she consider a sexual act? What are her limitations? What would be interesting places to have sex (instead of asking where she has had sex)?

Gauge her responses and see how they compare with each other. You can figure out a prude from a party girl.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

5 and over is too much. 4 is eh. 2-3 is the sweet spot. 0-1 is mythical status. BTW, I'm talking about women ages 18-25. Since those are the only ones that are relevant to me.

[–]Sleep-less3 points4 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

0-1 is a red flag for me. I prefer 2-5 in general. Any higher and it depends on the circumstances.

Virgins are too clingy and a girl who has only fucked one guy still thinks its a good idea to try that shit with #2.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

True, if a woman is 25 and still a virgin that could be considered a red flag depending on the circumstances.

[–]ModAerobus2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Why? I'm serious.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

She could have a low sex drive, she might be a prude, she might have weird feelings about sex, she may have had some sort of traumatic experience. Who knows. It's not necessarily a red flag, but I'd be wondering why a woman waited so long to have sex, especially in this day in age.

[–]ModAerobus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

but I'd be wondering why a woman waited so long to have sex, especially in this day in age.

Very, very true.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

At 30, I thought I was past popping cherries but I can offer two examples from the last 6 months:

27 y.o. Dentist... probably a 7 in looks, but great tits (I dont mind curves). Just never had a bf that she wanted to lose it to until she met me. 2nd Date fingered, 3rd date fuck-closed, both firsts. Spun her for a bit, but just an absolute dud in the sack. TRP Ending: After I ditched her, shes started seeing an obvious orbiter, yet still messages me.

30 y.o. lawyer - a hard 5 (so this serves me right) but she's very well educated, very precise manner of speech and I had an unshakeable desire to fuck her throat. 2nd "date" f-closed. Turns out massive balls of crazy.

My thoughts: A chick under the age of 25 you want as little wear and tear on her as possible. Over 25, you want at least some.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's definitely possible for you to meet a virgin age 25 who isn't crazy or defective in some way. I'm just saying that they are rare and only getting rarer as society becomes more liberal.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Plus they go through that childlike stage where they stare at your penis and poke it and giggle. It's a quick phase but annoying

[–]Sleep-less0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah they all go through a phase where they act weird/coy/shy.

As a fairly experienced guy it's just aggrivating.

[–]Tarnsman4Life5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Age divided by 5, rounded down. +2 if they are under 30, +3 if they are under 25. Women never tell the truth about it though; I judges a womans number of likly partners based on 3 key factors. How attractive is she, how old is she and what were the circumstances leading up to me banging her. If she is 29, on the wall side of being an 8 and fucking me after I just met her in a Taco bell..odds are she has taken a lot of dick.

If she is 21 , a hard 9 and it was the third date before we fucked then odds are her count is lower. Also pay attention to how messed up she gets at the bar.

[–]Air4ce18 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

1

[–]Haraklus12 points13 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

For a genuine LTR, I probably wouldn't accept anything above 4 or so. Preferably 2 or less.

About 1/4 of the women I've been with were virgins, and maybe another 1/4 had less than 4 partners. So these women aren't particularly scarce.

[–]veyron10015 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Do you live in the mid west?

[–]acartoontiger5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Or he is 18 or less and has been with less than 4 women.

[–]Haraklus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm 26, live on the West Coast, and have been with around 20 women.

[–]bleh3210 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is probably only most prominent in asian culture.

Western however..........

[–]Haraklus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, regardless of the macrosexual situation, my own experience is that inexperienced women are fairly easy to come by.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You're fucking delusional man. Unless you're going to marry a 17 year old or some really ugly prude, you're not going to find a women who's only fucked one or two other guys. The average college 7 is going to fuck 5-10 guys in her freshman year alone. Even a very prude girl is going to average at LEAST 1-2 guys a year and will be at over 10 by the time she's 25.

[–]Haraklus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hahahaha.

I was with a beautiful 22 year old virgin just a couple of months ago. Though she was a huge prude before I got to her. She spent a lot of time overseas (in Japan) where men were not exactly the sexy beasts we have come to expect. A few months before that, I got together with a 19 year old virgin. Not 2 weeks ago I sexed up with another girl who had been with 3 men in her life before me. She was...23, I think?

It's largely a matter of what circles you move in and who you attract. I have a very classy, low key vibe which tends to attract classier, lower key girls. The big advantage of this is that girls like that are fairly common, but guys like me with the balls to close are rare.

[–]NeoBushi14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You mean including the ones that "didn't count"?

[–]16 MGaiusScaevolus5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

2 for girls under 20. 5 for 20-22. After that they 'get' 1 for every 2 years until 30, at which point I don't care if she's a virgin, she's aged out of LTR territory.

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[–]Haraklus7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

In a row...?

[–]_Fony_18 points19 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

at age 18-22 i'd say over 6 is out of the question. if she is 25 then 10. i don't mess with women older than that so whatever count an aging spinster has i don't care.

[–]ufaild2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

And how do you verify that number?

You're basically describing a unicorn.

[–]_Fony_4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

i have ways of getting them to admit these things. typically with young girls they try and be cool when you talk about all your life experiences, and i never ever give them the idea that i judge women based on sexual history.

also i just file everything away in my mind so if i am having conversations and little by little things slip out about men in her past i add it all up. i never go right in and ask about that, because they'll all lie.

although all the ones with high counts had displayed several other traits which made them unfit for LTR before i got their HoeFax.

[–]henry5892 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you have fucked more guys than the fingers on my hand through non relationships that is too much.

[–]windycityman1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well for a 25 year old woman I can see 1 from high school, 2-3, 5 max from college. 2-3 post college. So that's 9 as the absolute max. I don't find it that unreasonable that you could have 5-6 longer term boyfriends in a 10 year span and I'll give her a couple rebound guys in between.

Obviously I'd like the number to be lower. But do you really have any confidence that an attractive woman you would want for a LTR would have really banged any less when every guy they know has been trying to fuck them their entire adult life?

Most girls will fail and have banged many more than 9 by age 25.

[–]migukin 5 points5 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I agree with almost everything I read in this sub, but this post and all the responses are completely ridiculous to me. First and foremost, don't obsess over the number. Don't even ask. Let it go. It's either not what you want to hear, or you'll assume it's a lie.

Second, most of your responses are not only kidding yourselves, but utterly hypocritical. I get that men and women are different, but just because a girl has had some fun at some points (assuming she was single) doesn't make her an undatable whore. If asked, most of you more promiscuous guys would lie about your number. I know I do. So don't get your panties in a twist about the reciprocation. There's a line between being RedPill and blindly sexist.

Don't ask, don't tell, just let it go.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wtf is this influx of "wahhh this is sexist" BS??

[–]c00kme2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

max_num = age - 18;

[–]updock3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You wouldn't date an 18 year old who's been with one person her entire life?

[–]ButterMyBiscuit0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Or a 16 year old (where legal) who has been with more than -2 people.

[–]updock0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

A lot of people in this sub, myself included, wouldn't fuck a 16 year old at our age. So that's not as big of an issue.

[–]ButterMyBiscuit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I used 16 years old to make a joke about having negative sex partners, but I am younger than the average on here.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]HitlersCow0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She claims it doesn't count...of course.

Sucking a dick undoubtedly counts as slutty...but it doesn't really count as 'sexual partners'...If you went down on a girl the first time would you go high-fiving your buddies the next day about losing your virginity? Probably not.

[–]squarehead937 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would say that anything above 10 is starting to push it. 20 is where I draw the line. For me it's not necessarily how many people she's slept with, but the nature of her sexual encounters. If most of her partners were one night stands, threesomes, etc, then I'm probably not interested. However if most of her partners were long-term boyfriends, then I really don't care about sexual history nearly as much.

Although people who prefer casual sex tend to rack up higher counts, I'd rather date someone with a higher partner count who has mostly had sex within a relationship (assuming they're not the serially monogamous type who's constantly dumping one guy to hop on another's dick), instead of someone with a lower count that consisted mostly of one night stands.

[–]1mr_throwz4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Science says that more than 5 pre-marital partners dramatically (30%) increases the chance that she'll file for divorce or have an extramarital affair. So I would say more than 1 partner for every 3 years she'd older than 20 would be too much.

So for a 30 year old woman, anything above 3-4 partners.

Note that with the exception of my current lady, I don't date women over 25 anymore.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Related question: Does anybody have the feeling that sluts are better in bed? Or does it not make a difference?

[–]boredinclass21 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you dont know what you are doing, yes. However; the best sex Ive ever had is the ones where im domintaing it and im making it great--and therefore she loves it. It's more about converting tthe girl to be comfortable with whatever you want. make her your sex slave. Then the great sex starts happening. With sluts, it's easier to do this because, by definition, sluts are more comfortable with anyone with regards to sexy-time

[–]Imupnthis1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

First question, are you taking her word for her number? Because women are always truthful and will tell you the truth about anything.

[–]jobs33ker[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I commented in this thread saying that assuming it's true, not saying that it is, however. I would always x3.

[–]Almost_legit1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

10 is a high number for me.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It depends more on the recent pattern than the number i.e length of relationships, any cheating, etc. Best way to predict future behavior is using recent past behavior.

[–]waynebradysworld1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Gotta say, most of what I've seen her is good info. This thread seems a bit unrealistic.

Most hot girls that went to college have fucked alot more dudes than you are thinking. Under 10 after 4 years in college? Thats 2-3 per year.

Imagine if everytime you went out, you could take home mostly anyone you want. You only go out once per week. You try not to be slooty so when you meet someone you are curious about, you might put off sex for a month.

Even if it takes you 8 trips out to meet ONE person you would fuck, that still puts you at one guy per 3 months. 2 months to meet, 1 month to court. That makes 4 partners per year, 3 while in school and one summer fling.

All it would take is a crazy freshman and sophomore year or a somewhat conservative college career for a hot girl to EASILY get her number over 10.

The rule of three is correct. ya'll seem to think you are ok with around 5-7. that means you are really ok with 15-21..... think about it.

[–]frequentnapper1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

doesn't matter. Just be STI and HIV free, and we're good.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

There are so many delusional guys in this thread. Good fucking luck finding a girl who has fucked less than 4 guys. Better be marrying an 18 year old prude.

[–]Endorsed ContributorUrsusG3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]UrNameIsToby1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So this was the question that answered... Hmm makes sense.

[–]sheriffbigbywolf0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

5

[–]slcjosh0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Depends on her age, and how many of those partners were real relationships. If she sleeps with lots of men and none of them pan out to relationships, shes probably trash. If she has a partner count similar to how many relationships shes had, she could turn out to be ok.

[–]duckducklandwhale0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Depends on age but 20+ is personally high to me for a mid 20s chick. I feel like if she didnt start really fucking til like college or late highschool to be already in the 20s by 25 is a bit too fast even though we live in much more liberal society. This includes not only fucking but even if she just gave head. Im mad lenient though because I realize Im a whore myself if I wasnt and had more insecurity I'd prolly cap at 10

[–]Teeth_of_Lions0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Would I qualify a woman who I slept with on the first date for a LTR?

No.

Would I qualify a woman who made me wait for sex for three months, and after revealed that she slept with 40 men?

No.

Whatever retarded formula you are currently using to calculate her relationship worthiness to cock ratio, there are two things to keep in mind. One, do not trust what she tells you. And two, her past relationship behavior, sexual outlook, and the way she treats you will give her away.

edited for clarification

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Here's my formula:

current age-18 = acceptable number of dicks for an LTR.

Edit: As always, add at least 10 to the N count she gives you if she has 0-few slut flags.

[–]tallwheel0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No more than the number of LTR's she's had - all of which should have lasted for at least 3 months, and should not total more than 5 or 6, regardless of age.

[–]LaRazaBlanca0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

For me, i feel its relative, so i use percentages instead of absolute numbers, if she's put out for more than 10% of my number, I pretty much discount her for LTR... But women lie far too well, so triple anything she tells you..

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I know pre-selection probably works in my favor, but my number is triple digits, the leading digit being a 2 (I'm 30) so not sure I can quite so quickly rule out a girl for an LTR based purely on a number.

That being said, I do subscribe to the neurochemistry of pair-bonding, sex and sluts -

The "honeymoon period" literally referred to newlyweds newly fucking and having that pair-bonding neurochemistry chemical firing across their neurons.

A chick who has ridden the carousel a lot has had her brain flooded with oxytocin with a lot of different guys, diminishing the strength of those patterns over time. In fact, from an LTR perspective you're far better off to date a woman who's taken cock 100 times from 5 different guys, than one who's had 50 one night stands.

That being said if shes a solid 8+, date her. But you're going to need game, frame and alpha fucking all the more so to keep her.

TL;DR: As a chicks number goes up, you can still LTR her, but your game needs to be tighter to keep her.

[–]UrNameIsToby0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't care. All I care about is whether she's clean or has kids.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's a simple answer, as many as you think is unacceptable. It could be 2 it could be 200. It Really depends on what you're willing to tolerate as a number. Keep in mind however, there is no vagifax, you have no way of verifying reliably the actual count. What you should be more concerned about is their personality and behavior. Remember also, past performance predicts future behavior.

[–]herewegoaga1n0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]herewegoaga1n0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

(Age - 18) +2= x. Anything less than that is preferable to more which increases the likelihood of STD/Is.

[–]Beardsman20 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd consider 3 and under. Age doesn't matter.

4 or over I'd just fuck and chuck.

[–]emotionalgoldmine -1 points-1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

One. I'm only marrying a virgin. I wouldn't marry a girl who's been with other guys because she will subconsciously compare me to them, even if she doesn't want to. What if she starts missing one of her ex boyfriends? Not good for our relationship. Virgins won't have emotional baggage.

[–]SemenMoustache6 points7 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, good luck with that. You shouldn't worry about her missing an ex if you're the better person. Not something you should worry about at all actually.

Edit: If I wasn't clear by 'you're the better person' - I meant a better person than her ex.. or showing higher SMV should I say.

[–]emotionalgoldmine 4 points4 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I know finding a virgin in the U.S. is like finding Bigfoot. That is why I will be going to India to find a wife. My family is Indian, so that helps.

[–]1kulrajiskulraj6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol dude I'm Indian too and Indian chicks are extremely slutty. You should question them as much as these Western women. At least white girls own up to being a slut.

[–]jobs33ker[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They don't own up to it. They hamster that shit away. Every "other" girl is a slut in their eyes, never them.

[–]SemenMoustache2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I see, sounds like a more realistic scenario then. Still not a route I'd prefer to go down but I wish you all the best mate.

[–]1mr_throwz1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You don't seem to understand women.

[–]SemenMoustache0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Care to elaborate for me? I don't tend to see a girl as the catch, so I don't spend time worrying about her thinking about an ex. Does that not just fucking shout insecurity? I assume she isn't, unless I have reason to think otherwise. If I think she is then I'll next her.

[–]UrNameIsToby-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Virgins won't have emotional baggage.

Wondering what other dick might be like is way more baggage than having had a few others. Marrying a virgin is a recipe for either marrying someone with no libido, or someone who's going to think "what if" all the time and be seriously curious about what they missed out on.

[–]lokibali0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

More than 0 and I am out

[–]PlusGoody-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Zero to four. Five or more is a slut or someone with no LTR relationship skills, each of which is a killer.

[–]ModAerobus-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Double digits is too high. I'd say <5

I'm an anomaly though. I'd only actually marriage a virgin.

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