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Why being your own man is not an option if you are a b1tch

May 10, 2021
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I see a lot of punks around here using "being your own man" as a solution for anything and everything. From not getting respect, to [email protected] charges.

No.

Reality has a set of implicit rules. You don't get to do your own thing and redefine what a good life is, what status is, what will make you not want to ki11 yourself in the mornings.

If you are a man b1tchin about women and thinking the no 1 source of revenue for women is alimony - you are not a MGTOW, you're just a man b1tching.

If you think being more isolated, losing the few social connections you actually have is "doing you" and protecting yourself, you are wrong. You become the no. 1 target for a false accusation in your area, the easy target. Better hope no little girl goes missing in your area - because no "stand your ground" law will defend you from a crowd of irrational moms and ouragged media.

Meditating and self esteem won't make you happy, self educating and "learning" by yourself won't make you competent. Your mind is a social tool - it does not operate as a singular unit. Your skill is defined by the returns your create in your enviroment - it is improved with feedback, inspired by others and fueled by the need to be validated. No external feedback, your wireless power transfer system will mean jack.

Self esteem or rather self respect - in a similar way needs external confirmation. You need to be loved, cared for. One way or another your self image will be fueled by external feedback - if you are the grumpy old man than nobody saw in months, you will be that grumpy bitter old man - as early as in your 30s.

Caveat for the old school MGTOWS: I am not saying MGTOW is bad, go marry, I am saying the way people use MGTOW to justify millenial isolationism and reinforce their bitch arse attitude towards life is self enablement. You have bergs that talk about women like they are another species worried they will get divorce raped like Gates. They on another plain of self delusion.

HotGirlSummer is in effect, it has never been easier to score.

Go out, Avoid the bitter bitches that got fat or had a quarantine baby - in a polite way Talk to the rest of the girls about anything, while not taking yourself too seriously. Escalate, isolate, bust a nut, don't be possesive Repeat

The whole world is gonna be a massive rave this summer, do not miss out just because you have a warped vision of what the world is, and what it wants from you.

Bonus tip #1 - Travel and hospitality is sooo fuckin cheap right now. Even if you do not do anything but sit and play Sims - get the cheapest plane ticket you can find, check in the cheapest but decent Airbnb in the area and just change the scenery and the pizza place you order your friday "cheat meal" from. That alone will defog your brain for a few days.

Bonus tip #2 - number 2 - if you are a sperg that can't say: "Hi, I like your look. I want to know more about you" then pretend you are a social media millenial and ask them if they wanna do tiktoks or have a street photography session. I know you want to - so don't even pretent, own it and take advantage of the attention seeking female peers.

Caveat for men over 24 - this isn't geeky or creepy anymore - every alpha dude under 30 living in cities is social media conscious. A "content producer" is a "entepreneur" now. Asking for collabs is actually really classy and elegant way to hang out with women in a state of semi dress, while making it feel profesional, non needy and not making them feel like sluts. Just remember - stripper rules apply: The need to get you of your entepreneur high-horse. Once you thirsty, they got you and you our of the fucking box, and into the OF subscriber box.

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Title Why being your own man is not an option if you are a b1tch
Author zino193
Upvotes 23
Comments 37
Date May 10, 2021 6:01 AM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]Irtotallynotrobot 9 points10 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I don't think this is novel. It's real simple, read the sidebar then go outside and apply. If you have nothing of value, then build it. Asking vcr questions on reddit will drive you insane.

[–]zino193 -5 points-4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Ok, I assume you read the sidebar. What part of the sidebar do you think tells young men to go to a lady they like, and start talking to her. Maybe invite her to coffee on a park bench and chat about quarantine stories and existential suffering. I don't recall. Most of what I read on TRP and loved was by using Reddit's best off feature, downloading all the non MRA stuff and Blue pill examples and reading it like a novel. By comparaison, the sidebar feels like divorce man's bible to bitterness.

[–]Irtotallynotrobot 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I dunno bud. That sounded like a pretty bitter statement to me. Best of luck.

[–]zino193 -3 points-2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Like read the sidebar was meant to be constructive. Seriously?

[–]Irtotallynotrobot 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't care. Dude just move on.

[–]buttgoogler 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I really hope you're being ironic here, jesus christ.

[–]throwitdownman 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This was hard to read. Incoherent mess, ideas don’t link up. Also we’re all big boys here, you can curse. You strangely wrote ‘bitch’ in full halfway, only to back to b1tch again. Stay off the drugs.

[–]zino193 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You think people are the inquisitors online - honey bun, the things robots can do are way beyond what the most zealous puritan can even dream of

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I love it. Just get rid of bonus tips and below.

Men have rationalization mechanisms too. Mental gymnastics that keeps their ego intact. You hit them hard in the feelz. Internet enlightenment dont mean shit. Whatcha gonna do if the manosphere ceases to exist? Youd lose the crutch to your high horse and face reality.

Alpha is a social heirarchy term. It means nothing in isolation. Be in an environment without electricity and service for a bit and youll see how humans really operate outside the invisible cyber realm. You'll see true sexual dynamics at play. You nerds with your enlightenment will get tossed aside socially and rejected sexually. Knowledge must be implemented.

[–]zino193 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bonus tips are more of sperg rules of thumb, the first time I went daygaming with full outlook independence I was traveling to disconect from my routine. I wasn't even trying to pick up women, I was there for just 3 days.

Second one is actually something I learned recently. Gen Z rules for social interactions are different. Dating is ironic, hanging out is cute and romantic. If you are a high value male, you want the female clout and she needs your skills. That is the baseline human interaction. Vibing is the equivelant of first day - with an audience. Hanging out is foreplay and sex and it implies isolation. Feel old yet? :D

[–]No-Tea-6927 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I just watched this post drop from eleven upvotes to seven, Jesus lmfao

[–]zino193 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's just text on the internet man - it doesn't make my dick any less hard

[–]Interesting-Edge-711 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The austism is strong with you....

[–]Schhwing 6 points7 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like you've given up on being your own man

[–]zino193 5 points6 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Or I realized the people saying that aren't actually men, and they are as far as they can be from thinking for themselfs - as the same expression is being paroted as a defensive argument or a dismisal.

It's never in a post about winning, or suceeding, but always as a deflection. Same for stoicism, or reading, or other "cope" strategies. Say what you want about the blue pills of fitness or the gym bros, but their obsession has a finality. You mai not agree with it, or see it as simpin or trying to hard, but ther is a goal. You believe it's not just an avoidance strategy.

[–]Schhwing 5 points6 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I’m all about positive action. But aligning your actions too hard with the normie mainstream may produce undesirable results also. The answer is positive action in a direction aligned with your own liberation from the status quo, not freedom (or success as you put it) within the bounds of the status quo.

[–]zino193 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

I agree - for every normie Kevin out there. They are too reliant on external validation and placating their own ego. True for Boomers, up to mid millenials.

If you want this was for all the kids under 28 that sit all day and nod their head to their latest parasocial relationship with a "real red pill" digital marketer's content.

They are all on the Omega-Sigma spectrum. Especially Gen Zers. They do not need people telling them to no follow the mainstream. Quite the opposite, they are a caricature of a spr33 sh00ter. If profiling worked, all TRP classes of 2018 and above would be locked up.

We failed them. I got myself out of a drug addiction, bad health and crippling incel indused depression because some boomers were talking shit about women. Talking shit about women ain't helping this literal SOBs. They need to be yanked out of the house and give a shit. They already got the aloofness, and the IDGF attitude, they just need to be wierd enough for a Stacy to be in their presence for more than 40 minutes.

[–]Schhwing 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

What got you into the drug addiction, bad health and crippling depression? Something as simple as talking shit about women got you out of it?

Again, you’re getting halfway there. You might have made it out of your drug addiction, but now you’re addicted to women. Which is potentially better, but not necessarily. These men might be unhealthy, but getting them to ditch their depression and antisocialism for a conformity and acceptance of the mainstream values will not make them happier. It’s just another illusion/addiction. I find it funny that you see Stacy as the height of the ambitions of this man who has crawled out from his digital cave. Stacy is a soulless barbie (usually). Of course, there are women that will complement a man. But Stacy is an addiction and a commodity. It even has a brand name.

Getting these men to find their truth in an external, defective source (“Stacy”) is potentially just as dangerous as not being a player in that game at all. There is other paths that require different values.

[–]zino193 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Being raised in a society that let me do my own thing. That let my parents do their own thing. Where there is no order or rules, "success" can be very self distructive.

Oh to be addicted to something that you need to earn... what a tragedy for a man. Think about it - to get your next shot, you need to be driven, have a purpose, be kind, have power. What a horrid state.

When on the other hand, you have free validation, a pat on the back for every drain on this society. Empty pleasentries that tell you it's ok to be lonely, isolated, angry and socially cripple. That's the state of a healty behavioral pattern.

My dude, stacy is nothing more than a radiation meter for how shit your life is. It's not that women make you happy, it's that women are natures feedback mechanism that you aren't wasting your life - and they smell nice. Do you need her, no. But if you can't get her - that shows you aren't that brilliant at the whole life with purpose thing.

[–]Schhwing 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I agree, you often need to work through something to get real freedom. And being given things on a silver platter can be destructive. But choosing what to work through, and what reward is sought needs to be thought about.

Seeing women as a commodity devalues them, so why would you chase something with no value. “Stacy”, to me, suggests a soulless barbie. Not all women are this. But to be validated by a soulless barbie’s affections suggests something defective in oneself. Also as most men say, once you have it you know it’s empty. So perhaps aiming for something other than that may help.

[–]zino193 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Why compete in the olympics if you can buy one of those medals for a few thousand dollars.

Man, I am talking about men here, not women, not what makes women feel they have dignity or how the sexual market "should be" to make us all feel comfortable and respected.

Sex is not polite. The highest apreciation you can give someone in the sexual market is to objectify him/her. That pure bestial desire is the point. Everything else, respect, comunication, common goals, ambition and cuddles - is on top of that. It doesn't negate or replace the base desire, the objectification.

We are not here to talk about the extra toppings, when we know MOST MEN do not have the foundation. Do not make women moist with a wisper, do not have women look at them in high regard and hang on their every word.

At a fundamental level - TRP is, well used to be about getting your unfuckable arse up to a reasonably fuckable baseline. That is what we are talking about. And that baseline is measured in Stacy's - whether it's a Stacy with a law degree, or a waitress. Her moistness is a arbitrary natural standard for male fuckability. You choose your stacy, you choose if it's for long term and babies or a forgetable hookup. I don't care, nature doesn't care - and for the first 2-seconds, no stacy on earth cares - because it's a binary qualification: Fuck or icecream alone in bed that night, tingles or bore, bragging about him or shit talking with the girls.

[–]Schhwing 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah I dig that man. I thought I could get on some level with you.

I saw Stacy as meaning a particular sort of vacuous bitch but you see her as just a hot chick. Yeah definitely, if pussy is the thing that gets you off the couch then good luck. I’m 30 now and had some experience (def not a player) and I value things above pussy, particularly knowledge and enlightenment. You might think that sounds weird but when you see women as just sex objects (a lower base need), and then spend all your mental energy, self worth and time chasing them, it kind of seems as if you’ve devalued yourself, no?

I think sex can be extremely memorable, sometimes even spiritual, especially when there’s a big connection there. But telling all these dudes to value the thing that they constantly denigrate makes no sense. I think there is a more evolved way, but it does depend on your goals and values.

[–]maestrulwro 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Interesting post and quite against other currents in here. I especially liked the part regarding not having friends that could vouch for you, it applies to me. I hope this post gains the traction it deserves!

[–]zino193 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, that's kinda the point. There's 2 different people posting around here:

Generic self improvement stoic "pickup advice" from the seduction subreddit that doesn't even actually talk about women, that's how smooth brain the authors are. THey would make Mark Mason seem like a womanizer.

Black pill, be strong brothers, the ides of march are upon us, bite on a rock and indure the pain of thy wenches not trhowing themselfs at you for your intelectual prowess!

And what makes it sadder is closing the browser and hanging out with chicks that are thirsty, lonely, battered by their hamster after months of isolation. You have normie girls being kind, complimenting apologizing for being late and feminist bitches that don't have the energy to argue they don't need no man.

I live in a college town and hang out with "infected women". Since february I have not heard one feminist daring to say they are opressed. They all lonely AF and because normie girls are warm and fuzzy they feel they are outclassed at everypoin and have absolutely nothing to offer.

I can't relate to the blackpills anymore. We are free... all men are. We now, post quarantine have choice in our lifes. And women understand that at a fundamental level now. The ok ones, as for the red flags, they are more aware than ever of how little they matter in the real world decisions of women.

Wanna argue with a tV or yt feminist - have at it, bark at the wall, but the real world has nothing to do with the culture war anymore.

[–]UpperRedSide 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Btw, guys, I know some of you may dislike this post because of its ranty vibe, but OP has some points. Especially the one about content. It’s easy as fuck.

I’m a hobbyist photographer. I have an Instagram. All I have to do is message a “content creator” online and say, “hey we should collaborate.” In fact, sometimes I don’t even have to. I’ve initiated conversation and had them suggest it. So now I’m traveling around, getting food and drinks, and taking artsy fartsy photos with aspiring models and the like. It’s a simple and fun way to meet girls, and fucking any of them is a hop, skip, isolate, and bam, way too easy.

[–]zino193 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

If my post was a rant, everything posted in the last week is a suicide note.

[–]UpperRedSide 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I didn’t say it was a rant. I said it has a “ranty,” vibe.

That’s like me calling a water fountain “dirty” vs saying the water fountain is “dirt.” There’s a difference. The post isn’t a rant, but it has aspects of one. Or maybe that’s just your writing style. If it’s all the same to you, I agree with you and upvoted.

[–]zino193 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't really make a difference :)

Yes, my writing style is very verbal - essentially as I speak is how I write - maybe that's why.

Let me apend my note - then other posts around here are suicid-ish :D

Take care man, I didn't take it personal, it's just fun and games with other dudes over the internet.

[–]EkMard -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Good one. Gives a look into today's world. The collab idea sounds fun!

[–]zino193 -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a wierd twilight zone - it feels like dating but for social clout.

The bigger the attention hoe, the more in need of good photographers, editors or actual creative people she has.

It's bizaroo world. Be marginally masculine, profesional and keep your thirst in check and the magnetims is real, as the clothes implicitly fly off and there's no pretence of "I never done anything like this before"

[–]DareyFathom 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

I travel for work to quite a few EC cities (Boston, NY, DC, Miami, Philly, etc.). Travel was incredibly cheap during the lockdowns, however that is no longer the case anymore at all and some things are so short they cost a lot more than usual (i.e. rental cars). I'm also not seeing near the social life in most cities compared to pre-COVID. I'm skeptical it will return any time soon this summer. If I've learned anything over the last year it's that most Americunts are risk averse.

[–]zino193 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Well I just came back from Miami via Huston - and them republican states seem fine.

In europe it's still dirt cheap, some flights are less than a starbuks date - literally. And businesses are desperate for customers. Almost any restaurant or club is open to host private birthdays and/or events.

And that's not mentioning the girls. They are beging for a house party. Any party actually. It's like college town energy, but it doesn't stop to girls under 22. It's true for every cocksucker out here - gays, girls, bisexual, lesbians that are just sick of their girl. Hoties, wifeys, feminists, booknerds curious to try out those shinbari ropes they read about for the last 18 months. It's definetly gonna be a wild summer. That's why I wrote this post - all a motherfucker has to do now is try. Don't be wierd for 2 minutes and you got a date. Flex and try to not be socially retarded for 20-40 minutes and you can pull.

[–]DareyFathom 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I got a round trip ticket from NY to Miami for $17. I know red states have been better. Unfortunately I live in a blue state and my city nightlife has not recovered, and I'm growing increasingly skeptical it will happen this year. Need to get back down to a red state city.

[–]zino193 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Fuck them. You have one life. You don't owe them anything. Why would you live in a place that thinks living your life is a sacrifice they have to make on your behalf in the name of the greater good.

[–]DareyFathom 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

There are few that hate the NPCs more than me. Right now I would feel too conflicted on conceding my ground to the enemy.

[–]zino193 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

What you said right there, this shit - is why we can't have nice things.

People thinking political fights are more important than living a life.

Nothing changes, and what gets to change you don't have power over. You are being played by your camp to fight a war of attrition with another bunch of fools - while they get to party with me and some other arseholes in dubai.

I say this with love - nobody will live your life other than you. If you don't manage it, you can have the country and society of your dreams, but you will still be miserable.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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