Since getting into the seduction community a few years ago, I've been fortunate to meet many, many practicing seducers from various countries and many of them have become good friends of mine. Only 4-5 of these guys stand out because they have truly mastered the art of pickup and seduction. To describe them as being phenomenal is an understatement.

A couple of these guys were always 'decent' with women and achieved incredible success only after entering pickup, while the others experienced rags-to-riches success stories. For all of these guys, what I'm about to describe applies equally.

Since I entered the seduction community, I started to learn for myself about the distinction between Red/Blue pill. And the bitterness came. I thought that going to my skilled seducer friends and getting their insight on what I'd been learning about women and how it had been causing me distress would result in some wisdom from them, as I naturally assumed this is something they would have had to come to terms with already.

But I was shocked. One of the guys who was among the most successful has been in a relationship for 1.5 years now. Every time I would ask him about his fears of her cheating, after knowing so much about women's tendencies to do so, his opinion would be "This is a good girl, she's actually relationship material, not like all the other girls I was with. She comes from a good family, has good values, good education, and she was quite difficult to get into bed". Am I misinterpreting something or is this a BP mentality? Of course he does also believe "Out of all the guys out there, I'm among the best (which is fairly true of him), she has no incentive to cheat", but since when does a woman require a better man in order to cheat?

Another guy, the most skilled seducer I know, last summer met a girl that he really feels is different from the probably 40 girls he's fucked in the last 1.5 years alone. He started fucking her as her last relationship was 'winding down' (translation: she cheated on her last boyfriend with my friend), and he refuses to believe that she would do the same to him. In all fairness, she seems to be a catch, and he does play his cards right of not showing her he wants a relationship with her (even though he confesses to me that he would). He also keeps improving himself in all ways and has continued seeing other girls, but he also seems oblivious to RP truths. His whole reason for getting into game is because he wants to find the best possible wife material on the planet, who he will marry and absolutely have children with. His skills are seriously incredible, so does it make sense that he can screen so severely that he can really find a gem of a woman, or is he deluding himself and will one day have to live with the reality of spousal and child support?

A strong belief in NAWALT seems to be the common thread these guys all have with each other. Such as the guy who tells me those exact words when I tell him about what I'm experiencing in the field. And the other guy who actually believes a 22 year old he's seeing is really a virgin...did I mention it's been 2 months and he still hasn't fucked her! Is RP knowledge not necessary for seduction mastery? Is it possible to be BP and still be a stud who will fuck lots of women when he's young then get married and have kids, all the while thinking she was always different.

And then there's Tyler from RSD who in this long video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZANMgG6gTw talks about how monogamy, though not being for him and many others, is the right choice for a lot of guys. I really respect Tyler's wisdom on the topic of seduction, he's incredible in my opinion, but this surprised me. I couldn't call him BP, so what's going on here? Is it just a marketing thing, where if he tells everyone monogamy doesn't work that he'll alienate most people who come to his business because most guys want to find love through that 'one special girl'?

How can guys who have experienced so many women, who can get women at a moment's notice, and who have knowingly been the guys so many girls have cheated with possibly delude themselves so severely? Is the high sense of self-esteem that got them such success in the first place the same thing that blinds them to the reality that they are not better than every man out there? (And that a women doesn't necessarily need a 'better' guy in order to cheat. Seems to be more BP thinking like "Well if I'm just really strong and smart and awesome and keep her on her toes that nothing can go wrong".)

Sucks for me because everytime I'm looking to vent or get advice on BP/RP things going on with me and the girls around me, all I get from the best seducers I know is advice that I'm being cynical and paranoid about women and that NAWALT. It gets frustrating. Knock some sense into me please.