I was actually banned from this sub...don't remember how long ago. I have conflicting views with at least someone here, and honestly I do not care, I even started my own sub, big deal. Anyway, to the point, I lurk around here every once in a while to catch up on anything "new" and sometimes go into the MGTOW sub to see what is new there, and there are several distinct differences in attitude between the two camps.

Now before we ruffle anyone's sensitive feathers, let me preface with the simple fact that your life is your choice, do what ever the fuck you wan't and pay the price for the consequences. At least if you do this, you are already proving that you have a penis and are genetically, and fundamentally, male. Why? Even if you lack mental agency, the physical act of taking life on the chin will never escape men. That is just how it has always been. Make a choice, follow through, deal with the consequences. Something women, never, and will never, be able to do. Hell they can't even make a choice let alone do the rest. Okay, let's move on.

I have been diving into stoicism A LOT over the past 6 months. I feel like it is personally the right way to look at things in this world IF your life goal isn't pleasure of the body, but rather, pleasure of the mind and spirit. But, using its logical approach I have made a an inference that I fell like the majority of people over at MGTOW never make. And that, is the simple difference between them, and TRP. Hell, its a difference between them and blue pillers. What is that difference? TRP offers a solution. There was a person recently who was trying to prove to me that MGTOW is a solution to a lost battle. What I have always liked about TRP, is that no matter what the problem, it is never a lost cause and there is a way out, there is a solution. Be it mental, physical, spiritual, the fundamental goal of TRP is offer as much insight into the how the social dynamic between men and women works so that we can find solutions to common problems. TRP is not for quitters. TRP is not for weaklings. It's for those men that do not want to give up, refuse to be defeated, and even in the absolute worst situations will strive to find a way to turn profit for themselves (not necessarily monetary).

Someone who has wen't MGTOW may say something like "well my choice is to abstain from said practices and focus on self preservation". Then you are no better than a woman, except your approach is passive, while her's is active. It isn't necessarily a bad choice, after all, do what ever you please, but here is my point of view and why MGTOW never fully appealed to me. The slogan itself is great, men going their own way. But just like "black live's matter" went from slogan to communist/liberal organization focused on shoving its own mantra down everyone's throat, so did MGTOW become yet another mantra that if you don't accept, you may as well leave. Going your own way (at least back when I first found it) meant every man was looking for a solution using their own brain, and funny enough TRP was along side it always offering solutions.

Now I am definitely no alpha male getting laid like a warlord out there. I have my own beliefs and opinions, but I do appreciate the fact that there is at least ONE group of people who are trying to break things down in as much a scientific way as possible to form theories and solutions.

The next difference is the level of anger. Red pill rage is common, and the more hurt a boy got, the more angry he will be. The difference between MGTOW (and the proof is in all of their comment sections) and TRP, is that TRP teaches to push passed it, and go back out to the battle field with new weapons and armor. MGTOW comments are full of men who have never pushed passed their anger. They go to work and see a woman and immediately approach any interaction with her with prejudice, disdain, and anger. "She is one of them". Sure, I am not denying that in the end all women are extremely similar with slight variations here and there. But there is honestly no reason to be angry all the damn time about it. Just how stoicism teaches that emotions are important, it also teaches that one should approach emotions from an outside point of view, and see if there is any benefit from them. If your anger is neither helping nor hurting you, it is a waste.

TRP always says to use that anger as a source of motivation to counter attack, to hit the gym and to go improve in everything one can and as one improves, their life will fill with other more important things, and that anger will no longer be necessary. Yet one of the MGTOW guys (and I am quoting his words) " My anger is meant for MY survival first&foremost, my Survival is more important. " Cool. His anger has gotten him absolutely nowhere, because using plain, calm logic, one can do the exact same thing. I always advocate for men to be as efficient as they possible can, and cutting out wasteful emotions that bar you from evolving. Emotion is EXACTLY what got us wrapped up in this bullshit in the first place. "Love" and "Attraction" from a blue pilled perspective will just get him divorce raped. Look at them logically and one can use them towards their advantage.

I know I probably am not stating anything new. But, I know I have talked to several new guys who keep asking me, "what is the point of TRP if I can just go MGTOW". It's because one is an ideology and the other is a book of problems and solutions. MGTOW says "I can't fail my math class if I just don't sign up for it". TRP says "I will only fail my math class if I don't learn and practice".

Peace

*Note, this is my opinion, not 100% fact. Take everything you read online with a grain of salt and a cool head. Sarcasm is a thing. Your life your choice, terms and conditions apply.