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Why They Hate 50 Shades Of Grey

February 16, 2015
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Mr. Grey: “I could hold you to some impossibly high ideal, like Angel Clare, or I could debase you completely, like Alec d’Urberville.”

Anastasia: “Well, if there’s only two options, I take debasement.”

http://hipsterracist.wordpress.com/2015/02/13/why-they-hate-50-shades-of-grey/

The film version of 50 Shades of Grey came out this weekend, and the media, online and off, is in full hate mode. Full disclosure: I’ve never read it. But my lady friend did, and her opinion was the typical one: poorly written and kind of goofy. I think she was upset it wasn’t really racy enough. For all of the brouhaha about the BDSM, apparently Mr. Grey didn’t even spank Ana all that much.

On reddit’s conspiracy section, someone asked: why all this hate toward some silly romance novel? The hate and “controversy” over what amounts to “Wuthering Heights with spanking” is somewhat astounding. I realize some in the White Nationalist crowd get their klan robes in a bunch over anything sexual that isn’t married missionary position. Forget the queers and the sluts – even a husband tying up his wife is “degenerate” and caused by “jew porn” and yet another sign of the Total Collapse Of Western Society And Christendom. So, our friends over at the Daily Stormer have added BDSM to their long list of “degeneracy” along with the homos and sluts and miscegenators.

The manosphere types, especially the Christians, often mention that feminism has infected even the right wing conservatives and the Church. White men are “White Knights” – especially the older generation – and automatically cater to whatever women want, acting like “manginas.”

I would posit it’s all of a piece. Sure, traditional conservatives and Christians are not “feminist” in the cultural Marxist sense of the word; believing that women and men are separate “social classes” engaged in the “class struggle” of oppressors vs. the oppressed. But there is a wide and deep habit of “White Knighting” in traditionalist circles – and it is absolutely related to the bizarre hatred toward 50 Shades of Grey – a silly piece of erotica with some spanking and bondage, after all.

Not only does feminism “shame” male sexuality – we’re all rapists, wife beaters and we “objectify” women’s bodies, after all – but so does conservatism and modern Christianity. For the right-wingers, feminists are correct that men are deeply afraid of women’s sexuality. But it’s for a good reason.

If men really knew what turns women on, civilization would come to a halt, because so much of civilization is based on chivalry and wanting to believe that women tend toward monogamy and are attracted to “good men.”

They are not. Quite the opposite, in fact.

When men discuss their own sexuality, they quite often focus on how shallow it is – a nice pair of tits and a round ass. Men will go on and on about how they will “fuck anything that moves” and how men are all “sluts.” But these same men project this quite Victorian notion onto women. You see this in the worst parts of the manosphere, who really do believe – and the feminists have them correctly pegged here – that women want to “trade sex for resources.” The man provides the “resources” and the women pay for it with sex – which the man wants, and the women don’t, really.

Then, when these manosphere men look at how women actually behave – quite the opposite of their Victorian fantasy – they get angry and resentful. They drag the women down from that pedestal they placed her on and disparage her as a “hypergamous slut.”

I feel for women, I really do, because they are only allowed to be a Madonna, or a Whore. There’s never anything in between.

Of course, the feminists hate 50 Shades of Grey because Ana is submissive and Mr. Grey is dominant. It’s essentially a Patriarchal Rape Fantasy, and feminists hate women’s sexuality even more than Conservative men do. The same feminists that hate the idea of 50 Shades would be praising a similar novel up and down if the roles were reversed. If it was a high powered woman CEO Dominatrix that loves to spank young studly pool boys, the feminists would love it (even though it would leave them drier than the Sahara Desert.) But the fact the novel essentially portrays traditional roles – the man is powerful, the woman is submissive – they hate it.

You will find the worst hate coming from the uber-feminist “BDSM Community.” The “BDSM Community” has done nothing but shriek about 50 Shades of Grey, saying it’s not “real BDSM” – they didn’t even use s safe word!!! – and that it’s really just abuse. The BDSM community keeps hating on the “50 Shaders” – young women interested in BDSM because of reading the novel, and how they “totally have the wrong idea.” Just like hipsters upset that the mainstream has finally caught on to some underground band, the “BDSM Community” feels like it’s losing it’s monopoly on what “real BDSM is” and love nothing more than to morally posture about how everyone else is doing it “wrong.”

Believe me, the “BDSM Community” is more obnoxious than the worst sorts of “Social Justice Warriors” blathering on about “transphobia” and “tolerance for Otherkin.”

Of course, the humorless conservatives, including Christians, are not only afraid of their own penises, but doubly afraid of vaginas, apparently. Bondage? That’s “degenerate!” “Spanking? Only an evil, sick man would be rough with a woman! Sex is supposed to be about tender caresses and the missionary position. "My wife in an innocent angel, why, she doesn’t get turned on ever, except when I rub her feet on date night! My daughter is totally chaste and she tells all those nasty boys “no” – she would never purposefully and with malice aforethought seduce a man – especially not an older man! That’s just sick!"

To any man who actually has experience with women, these guys are jokes. I remember these fathers well, from high school and college. They “trusted” their daughters, so no problem her taking the car and meeting up with Sleazy Hipster Boyfriend for some good, clean teenage fun.

Like bowling or watching a movie, you know. Certainly not blowjobs in the car, threesomes and all sorts of raunchy sex. Only “those kinds of girls” do that – “not my wife and daughter.”

You have to laugh.

Women are sexually aroused by power. It doesn’t make any difference whether the man with the power is “good” or “evil” – in fact, I suspect women have an instinct toward “evil men” frankly. Women are sexually aroused by being overwhelmed by that power, to submitting to that power – willingly, or even hotter, unwillingly.

The key part of the Rape Fantasy is that the woman is so desirable that the man, powerful though he is, is in fact, overpowered by her – by his desire for her.

Feminism makes women deeply ashamed of their own sexuality, and that is why the “BDSM Community” was invented. Gals want what they want sexually, so the “BDSM Community” does its best to contain their submissive natures. That is why there is all the obsession with “safe words” and “consent” and “role play.” It has to be “just playing,” “just role play,” and “verbally consented to without duress.”

To feminists, a woman consenting to be tied up and flogged at a sex club is fine – but a wife obeying her husband; that’s sexist misogyny. A woman who is a “slave” in the “BDSM Community” can be collared and made to eat dogfood – that’s just a “kink.” But a girl putting out for her boyfriend to keep him happy – that’s “date rape.”

Conservatives are right, in a sense. Because of women’s hypergamous nature, unleashed female sexuality will destroy a civilization. Monogamy exists for a reason, patriarchy exists for a reason. Patriarchy makes men invest in children, and monogamy is how men are assured that the children are his. Without monogamy and without patriarchy, men have no incentive to invest in the future, in the society, in the tribe. Without Patriarchy and Monogamy, there is no civilization.

Women are hypergamous, and polygamy is the nature state of humans. Women have little problem sharing a high status man with other women. The wives of wealthy and desirable men have been looking the other way at their husband’s affairs since forever – it’s the natural state of things. Most women would rather put up with cheating from a handsome, wealthy man than be married to a faithful but poor schlub.

The reason we have monogamy is because, left to their own devices, women would share the top 50% of men, and the bottom 50% of men would have no women at all.

Yet, for a society to actually work, you need the bottom half of men. It’s those “betas” that make the trains run on time, not to mention kill the ragheads that are living on top of our oil.

Since reliable, scientific birth control was invented, women have been able to pursue a “double strategy” – the so called “alpha fucks and beta bucks.” By postponing marriage, children, and family formation, women have been able to get sex from men “out of their league” while young, but still be able to find a caring man “in her league” for marriage. Men who object to their wives previous promiscuity are simply shamed as “insecure” and the whole point of giving out free condoms in high school is to make sure that there are no virgins left by the time boys and girls are of marriageable age.

That’s by design, because men might choose the virgins for marriage, thus incentivize women to remain chaste.

This worked for 50 years, until the internet destroyed the consensus, like it has the consensus on so many things. The “manosphere” has sort of let the cat out of the bag. The numbers don’t lie – marriage is a dead institution. If present trends continue – and they almost certainly will – most people will never marry. Fertility will continue to drop like a rock, and more and more men will simply “opt out” of society.

It’s laughable to read the complaints of pseudo-feminist women wondering where all the chivalry has gone. Chances are, women aren’t even going to be taken out on proper dates anymore. For the average men, women have virtually nothing to offer him – but sex. As the days of a wife, a mother to your children, and an exclusive lover are gone, what do women have that men need? Just the sex, that’s it.

You can see the results of this with the increasingly crass attitudes of men toward women, and vice-versa. Many advanced cultures are going through this phenomenon, Japan being a noticeable example, with their “herbivore men” who don’t bother chasing women, never get married, and simply drop out of the culture. They do not contribute to the culture except in the most minimal way, as consumers.

The same thing is happening in the USA, although mass non-white immigration and multi-culturalism obscures the effects somewhat. The bottom is dropping out of the White middle class, and it dropped out of the White working class 30 years ago – exactly at the time when the Sexual Revolution was finally mainstreamed.

This is not a coincidence.

Feminists and Conservative both hate 50 Shades for the same basic reason: it’s an accurate account of women’s sexuality. Feminists hate it because it reminds them that women want “the wrong thing.” Women are supposed to want an “equal relationship with a peer who respects her as a person.” But women tend to actually go for men who are higher status than her, and if he’s “emotionally unavailable” she just wants him more. Conservatives are also upset that women want “the wrong thing.” Women are supposed to want a Good Conservative Christian – you know, like them. Instead, women go for the Bad Men, even men who are “abusive” and they generally don’t get wet for the husband that reads the Bible to her before he gently fucks her in the missionary position. Worse for the conservatives, women are not particularly interested in monogamy. They want one man – at a time – but are always looking for the opportunity to “trade up” and while young, they are in no hurry to marry the Beta Boy Next Door that’s “in her league” – not when she still has access to Studly Hockey Players to gang-bang after practice.

That is where all this hate for a silly romance novel with some bondage and spanking comes from. It’s not about the bondage and spanking.

It’s about power.

That’s why they call it “Power Exchange.”

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Title Why They Hate 50 Shades Of Grey
Author jacks1000
Upvotes 179
Comments 133
Date February 16, 2015 1:03 AM UTC (7 years ago)
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[–]FatStig 46 points46 points [recovered] | Copy Link

This is what makes me laugh about the rest of reddit. TRP is full of hateful misogynist losers! In reality TRP is the only place that tries to understand women.

[–]TitsAndWhiskey37 points38 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Not just tries. Succeeds. We're hated for exposing the same truths that 50 shade's sales numbers do.

[–]beginner_9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Except that in reality a rich, alpha guy would never commit to a mediocre women. Just gives all the fives another reason to believe the deserve an 8+ man.

[–]TitsAndWhiskey1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I was just pointing out that the movie provides a stark contrast between what women say they want, and what they actually want. We can now empirically prove this based on box office receipts. No means no, but mr grey gets our panties wet!

[–]antariusz0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, to be slightly more technically correct, this is a story more about a 7 woman landing a 10 guy.

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[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I had a buddy call us, "perma-virgins". The buddy in question can barely date a fat girl. Meanwhile I have girls hitting me up that I haven't fucked in months.

[–]SplashArtist8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

some say he fucks large numbers of women using theory that most of the world rejects.... All we know is hes called the Stig!

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Come on man. Yes we try to understand women but you can't deny the level of hatred as well.

[–]trplurker 11 points11 points [recovered] | Copy Link

No.

The "hatred" your talking about are guys going through the Anger phase and it's a perfectly natural thing. What you think of as hatred towards women is actually hatred towards themselves and their past failures, it just takes awhile for people to understand that. And seeing that you can't recognize this I must conclude that you haven't taken the pill yet or are still in the denial or negotiating phase. The anger phase must happen, it will pass and the results will be much better for it.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So all of the hate that appears on TRP is actually misdirected self hate? Maybe. Or it may be pain manifested as hate. Or it may be caused by something else that we're not aware of. The etymology can be debated forever. I don't claim to know where it comes from. All I was saying is that along with TRP being a tool for learning, you definitely see a lot of expressions of hate. That's it. That's all I was saying. I was just acknowledging that it is pervasive in TRP. For better or worse, it's there.

[–]spacelord7774 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There is a lot of hate. But notice that it almost always is coming from those new to RP. Those who swallowed the pill some time ago are pretty mellow by comparison.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

I don't hate them either, but when you read Red Pill, you notice a lot of hate.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

There's a lot about them to hate. There are a lot of different kinds of people with qualities to hate, some people are just hateable, most are a mixed bag and a few have little about them to hate. But everybody has these qualities and society has been asking us to ignore these hateful qualities in women specifically for so long that generations of women have grown up absolutely unaccountable and out of control. Of course you're going to see a lot of guys griping when they find out that the wings on their angels are cardboard and they fly using wires.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

There's a lot about them to hate.

Nah, mate. In my past I have been treated like absolute shit by many women but still no hatred. Indifference, though, in spades - but then I try not to take shit from anyone, and my indifference is the reward to anyone giving me shit. It's simple really: I care about people who demonstrate to me that they are worth caring about. Why make the effort to hate anyone? They are not worth it.

[–]ROIVeritas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hate not for their personage / their physical existence, but their personas, their opportunistic and permanently lazy and largely immoral, amoral, entitled and hypergamous nature.

They want to be all powerful men, without any blood sweat tears, and especially no responsibility, and no accountability; they want to and largely believe they are beyond correction and reproach. They act like they don't fart. bleed, and shit, and all this together is too much for intelligent men to buy or bear.

[–]Ovadox0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

People often hate what they don't understand. They come here full of hate because they've been repeatedly burned by the bad info the rest of society feeds them. If TRP helps men understand important aspects of female psychology then really, TRP is helping to reduce hate.

[–]Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz56 points57 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

Hypergamy is supposed to be a secret. At least, that's what the more sensible women recognize. A hypergamous woman is harder to please, and therefore intrinsically less valuable as a romantic partner.

As Rollo has addressed previously, hypergamy is starting to become an open secret. Many women are entitled and narcissistic enough that they think they can simply get away with it. And often times, they can.

But the smarter ones know that true female nature needs to be kept locked away as a deep, dark secret. Thus the fact that merely

To these feminists, 50 Shades is like the Snowden leaks. It shows the seedy underbelly of what really gets women off. And yeah, spoiler alert, it looks kind of a lot like that which feminists would call "abuse" or "rape" in a real life relationship. Christian Grey is not exactly the neutered, feminized beta Hermoine told us we should be in her "He for She" campaign.

All these feminist protests are going to be framed as "this is proof that women are oppressed/abused by men." No it isn't, idiots. This is women getting off on things that get women off. A hundred million copies worth of women, in fact. And now millions of dollars worth of box office revenue.

Feminists lie, but the numbers don't.

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face25 points26 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

That's what is mind-boggling to me - I'm seeing arguments left and right by men and women saying, "This is an abusive relationship. This is rape!", etc, etc

And my only response to it is, "It's almost exclusively women buying this. it's very clearly obvious that this is something that women like. It wouldn't be that successful otherwise."

I don't push it very hard, because of course, these aren't logical arguments.

The demographics of people super opposed tend to skew... low SMV, to say the least.

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Addendum: I even saw an argument (by a woman, no less) that the mainstream media (meaning men) was forcing this onto women.

Hamsters, hamsters all the way down.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"This is an abusive relationship. This is rape!", etc, etc

Unfortunately I've seen this line toted around by TRPers

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've heard plenty of women talking about how the movie gets them all hot and bothered. One chick that I work with said "it's pretty much like a porno that I can see in a movie theater".

But then again, there's lots of things that the masses like that an individual may detest. Of course a vegan is going to make a stink about a restaurant serving up a juicy 12 oz porterhouse steak, but are a thousand other people? Nope.

[–]Trigger_Warnings10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

feminized beta Hermoine told us we should be in her "He for She" campaign.

Isn't she dating an elite british university rugby player?

[–]SwissPablo2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. I very much doubt the patriarchy forced all the women at my workplace to eagerly devour and spread the 50 Shades trilogy like it was going out of fashion.

There was a TED talk posted here a fair while ago where researchers combed web data about what people look for online re porn, and it came to the conclusion that women's fantasize about an attractive man making them the object of their affections, something 50 Shades Of Grey firmly bases itself on.

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

As far as I can tell, people opposed seem to have trouble seeing sex in an organic context. It has to be compartmentalized and rules rigorously enforced.

It reeks of people with lack of experience and social awkwardness.

[–]shadowbanned62 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Christian Grey gets kind of neutered, during the film.

His groveling with a woman who refuses to play by his rules, who does not sign his contract, is despicable.

Politically correct film makers sanitized "50 shades of Grey": the heroine never submits, never surrenders.

Movie heroine Anastasia Steele never enjoys the book’s spanking orgasm with Ben Wa Balls. She endures the climactic final heavy "six of the best" strokes out of morbid curiosity and stubbornness, not not out of submission. Anastasia Steele then immediately assumes the empowered feminist role, blames pervert Christian Grey and commands him to back off and not touch her.

50 shades of Grey vanilla is a politically correct bore

50 shades of Grey is the deconstruction of dominance and submission. Rather "the heroine is tasked with transforming him from a tortured control freak and into a regular boyfriend ", says Slate. A feminist empowered Anastasia that does not submit to Christian Grey’s dominance.

Fifty Shades of Grey Star Eloise Mumford: I Would Never Make a Film That Didn’t Empower Women says Time

All this feminist anti-submission PC results in a bore, described by USAToday: "Sitting through the turgid and tedious S&M melodrama that is Fifty Shades of Grey may feel like its own form of torture." A movie flop that earns a paltry 3.4/10 on IMDb.

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[–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang8 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Wouldn't waste the 2h. It's not a red pill story, just another delusional chick fantasy movie.

If you want to see an RP movie, check out "Breaking the Waves" by Lars von Trier. It's about the intersection of whoredom, sainthood, and madness in the female psyche, and all the conflicts of that laid bare, to build you up for experiencing a woman's love. The way it is, filthy, delusional, childlike and precious at once.

[–]foldpak1111 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Black swan delves into the insanity of the average chick.

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Kubrick's 'Eyes Wide Shut' is pretty spot on as well.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

That movie left me depressed for reasons I fail to elaborate. It was just an overly dark feeling.

[–]1R_E_D_10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Probably because truth can be disappointing.

[–]Trigger_Warnings2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No, but the book is a good read if you want to get a grounding in female psychology.

[–][deleted] 53 points54 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

feminists hate women’s sexuality even more than Conservative men do.

And that's why they hate us. Think about it, feminist theory is almost 100% predicated on women having a nice responsible sexuality.

If women want men to be nice to them, women want to take charge, women want that testosterone rush of competition in the workplace and to come home to a beta who worships them, then feminist theory would make so much sense. It would allow women to fight on even grounds with men, take up the sciences, dominate business, and come home to a nice husband who made her dinner and will cuddle her while she sleeps.

But shit. That never happens. They're repulsed by these betas that they've created we can't get them into the engineering fields that we've opened up for them. There's no testosterone rush, no love of the hunt, no dominance. There's just the same shit there's always been with a smaller pool of men.

[–][deleted] 45 points46 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

This is such an insightful article.

For the average men, women have virtually nothing to offer him – but sex. As the days of a wife, a mother to your children, and an exclusive lover are gone, what do women have that men need? Just the sex, that’s it.

This is the problem with dating. You have all these apps and girls to text, all of whom are showered with attention from a hundred other dicks, and you have to somehow summon the desire to chase these sluts. Like, what am I gonna do pull out all my zany one-liners in the hopes that you'll get a laugh, then agree to let me take you out for drinks, and then have sex at minimum of date two because of course you have to pay homage to the rules of whoredom. And then between date one and date two, she has two other dates sandwiched in. The incentive just isn't there, fellas. The system is broken.

[–]Hoodwink11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

And then between date one and date two, she has two other dates sandwiched in. The incentive just isn't there, fellas.

This is straight-up truth - I laughed. A long time ago, I would have never understood the idea of Chinese (or is it Korean? or just asian?) women having an expiry of about age 27. It's just the sheer number of dates/dicks and chances for women to basically lock down men is just astounding. You're never going to get it right if you don't find a guy before then.

[–]SwissPablo4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I've encountered women who approach dating like a job, they'll schedule so many dates per week, even more than one per evening. What man would want to be on that schedule? Is it really worth it?

[–]needmorefat3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

not really. psychology, biology, medicine and chemistry are now at gender parity (or even female skewed for psych). It's only the math-heavy subjects that remain stubbornly male.

[–]Hoodwink5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They're repulsed by these betas that they've created we can't get them into the engineering fields that we've opened up for them.

This is spot on why we don't have women in these majors. Nothing about workplace shit and 'sexist' bosses/professors - high-school girls and their 'ew nerds'.

[–]juanqunt103 points104 points  (37 children) | Copy Link

Haven't read it, but from what I've heard, I dislike its fake portray of the successful man and how it makes every loser cunt believe that she deserves a successful man.

  1. A young ultra-rich man is pretty much in monk mode during his late teens/early 20s working on some genius idea rather than being raped by an old lady. If you were raped by an old lady, you won't be hacking something seriously awesome nor make serious bank. You'd be a typical loser. Look at Matt Mullenweg, Mark Zuckerberg, anyone successful in silicon valley, etc.

  2. Such a guy would either rent out hot as fuck prostitutes or grab the nearest smart nerdy girl trying to climb up the corporate ladder, not some worthless plain liberal arts major.

  3. The guy would have a very good morning routine and busy schedule and very little time to spend with a whore. Wake up. Make yerba mate. 10 min meditation. Take modafinil. HIIT + minimalist full body lifting. Contrast shower. Set 5 min alarm for emails. Protein + veggies in the blender for breakfast. Then off to work and won't be back until late in the afternoon/evening/night. No time to pamper a mediocre worthless girl at all.

The author had no clue how successful people actually live. So of course she has to make them behave just like the losers in her own life and give them the same experiences as the losers... only they magically have abs and a billion dollars LOL.

[–][deleted] 46 points47 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

That's the fantasy aspect and why it's so eaten up by women. It's the thought that a rich powerful man would pick a plane jane nothing of a woman to be his everything. It lets women project themselves onto the movie.

[–]juanqunt31 points32 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Right. Can't stand this generation of entitled cunts who have no concept of responsibility, working hard, or working smart. The kind of men they want and think they deserve actually sees them as trash.

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[–]bluedrygrass2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's particularly astonishing because that kind of reasoning is unnatural to men. If a low level man knows a world class top model, or olympic athlete, or whatever, he would be intimidated, or any way wouldn't think to have a serious shot, and wouldn't even try.

This happens, for most of men, even with same-level or even lower level women.

Meanwhile, the ugliest and most annoying female of the world, if meeting an hypotethical blue prince, would only ask "what took you so long?"

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That's because when the guy tries to score above his league he gets ridiculed and treated like trash.

When a girl does, she usually succeeds in getting at least a mouth full of his cum.

[–]spacelord7774 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's also because women naturally always aim upward and men aim downward.

[–]foldpak1111 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've done very well for myself, and the more blessed I get, the stricter my requirements are.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself14 points15 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Exactly the same formula as Twilight.

In those books, the female lead is rarely described while the male love interests are described in agonizingly specific details.

[–]johnix5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Literary criticism calls this the Mary Sue trope

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The Oatmeal calls her pants.

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[–]jacks1000[S] 61 points62 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

It's hardly different than the typical porn movie for men - super hot sexy model wants nothing more than the fuck the brains out of an average pizza delivery guy.

It's fantasy. It's not supposed to be realistic.

[–]fittitthroway33 points34 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Do you really think women believe that 50 shades is pure fantasy? They really think this shit happens and are waiting for the day it happens to them. And very seriously too. It's fucked up

[–]skoobled8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Quite. Men know it's a fantasy, would love to have it randomly happen to then one Tuesday afternoon whilst otherwise going about their business, but don't allow the real key decisions and directions of their life be guided by such nonsense. Women actually do. In fact, having this is held up as to having "dreams" and being an ideal...

[–]Redrog13 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Do you believe every man realizes Rambo/Bruce-Lee/Rocco Sifredi is a fantasy?

[–]Hoodwink3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I still think I can take the whole room or charge a fucker with a gun by throwing a chair at him and using the nearest table as a shield...

For women, sex is their power fantasy.

[–]getomc2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Now see here, the difference between Men and Women's power fantasies? Men don't have to live with the consequences of carrying theirs out.

[–]NaughtyFred0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think theres a lot of video evidence that Rocco isn't a fantasy. But I understand the point your making.

[–]TitsAndWhiskey11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The thing I love about living in the Information Age is that all the things I have observed and been chided for, have been observed by others as well. Truth cannot be shamed away.

[–]2niczar0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Haven't read it

Well I read it, at least the first book, hoping to be at least somewhat aroused, but it's simply terrible. Esp. compared to something like Story of O, which was written by a woman as well, but specifically to turn a (particular) man on.

50 Shades is very much like any romantic novel, except only more overtly sexual and thus scandalous. But the same mechanisms are at play. It's to women's sexuality what graphic porn is to men. It just scratches one particular itch and has no other quality. It's over the top and completely unrealistic, and the target audience could not care less. Nothing wrong with that though.

[–]1ImRasputin0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

The guy would have a very good morning routine and busy schedule and very little time to spend with a whore. Wake up. Make yerba mate. 10 min meditation. Take modafinil. HIIT + minimalist full body lifting. Contrast shower. Set 5 min alarm for emails. Protein + veggies in the blender for breakfast. Then off to work and won't be back until late in the afternoon/evening/night. No time to pamper a mediocre worthless girl at all.

This is beautiful my friend. Speaking from your experience? Because it's so in detail...

[–]juanqunt2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, recently started doing this. I was inspired by Tim Ferriss. Modafinil is not needed everyday, only on the most busy days. Also, I'm messing around with a few other supplements. And often make an omelet instead of using the blender. Yerba mate is my current favorite, but can be replaced by coffee or various types of tea.

[–]forgetful_storytellr0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Does he only fuck the one liberal arts major or does he have a few girls he bangs?

[–]juanqunt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just took a quick look on wikipedia: His mother thought he was homo before meeting her and he marries her eventually.

[–]pxmped0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Do you have any firsthand experience with yerba mate? Got some in the mail. PM me if possible

[–]watersign15 points16 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Whats most entertaining is that 50 shades of Grey was WRITTEN by a woman!!

[–]jacks1000[S] 12 points13 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Whats most entertaining is that 50 shades of Grey was WRITTEN by a woman!!

As I mentioned in the blog thread, most BDSM authors are women. The Story of O - considered the modern BDSM classic - spawned a literary argument over whether it was written by a man or a woman. Men seemed to believe it was written by a man, as only a man would fantasize about "debasing" a woman.

A famous woman author guessed correctly - it was written by a woman, and in fact, could only be written by a woman.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You bring up an interesting point which I think makes the whole "all men are rapists" narrative kind of interesting. I read an article recently where they surveyed loads of people to determine what their sexual fantasies were. Men's fantasies generally were about threesomes, groupsex, anal, getting peed on that sort of thing. Women's fantasies on the other hand were overwhelmingly things like BDSM, rape, being tied up, etc. It didn't surprise me.

[–]1nzgs2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's quite a controversial subject obviously, but it's been studied numerous times that a high percentage of women have regular fantasies about rape.

I personally believe that a lot of these feminists are compensating for a sense of shame of having these fantasies, shame that comes from the social stigma surrounding female submission these days. There was even a case of a young student feminist getting caught faking rape threats against herself. It reminds me of the hardcore christians who shout loudest about morality getting caught buggering children and snorting cocaine.

[–]GregariousWolf1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Look up Anne Rice's Sleeping Beauty. There is an undercurrent of eroticism in her vampire novels, but the SB trilogy is purely erotica. I still consider it girl porn. I haven't read any 50 Shades, but I gather it is relatively softcore in comparison. I don't think I'm going out on a limb to suggest Rice's work is probably better written, but that's setting kind of a low bar.

[–]jacks1000[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I read the Sleeping Beauty Chronicles when I was like, 16. Yeah, it's girl porn, basically. Not much more to it.

[–]R4F19 points10 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Teenage girls who are still infatuated with the Disney image of love and intrigue read/watch crap like Twilight. While their post-wall counterparts (i.e, their mothers) go for crap like 50 Shades of Grey, because they finally realize how BS all that Disney prince/princess shit is. But they both have something in common, they're living in a fantasy world, obsessed with crappy make-believe.

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Actually, 50 Shades is marketed towards 18-34 year olds according to data I was reading today.

[–]R4F13 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Well, it was originally Twilight fanfiction. So the same demographic is technically targeted. However, unless I'm wrong the vast majority of consumers are over their teens/early-20s.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

unless I'm wrong the vast majority of consumers are over their teens/early-20s.

Not wrong as far as I can see, there are lots of 45+ women getting their panties wet for Christian Grey in my social circle.

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Could very well be true that it's more 45 yos than 18-25 yos.

I don't really associate with many women over the age of 25 or 30, so I don't really know those demos.

[–]spacelord7770 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I teach college and all of my freshman girls have read it. Most of them think it is rather goofy though.

[–]Pornography_saves_li0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Isn't everything 'marketed' to 18 to 34 year olds? I'm in sales, and I hear that kind of thing so often, I wonder why people even say it anymore.

[–]JohnGalt3169 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

there is a male equivalent of 50 shades of grey

ordinary guy ends up saving the world and getting the girl

[–]skoobled8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The difference is that that benefits those lucky residents of the world

[–]redpillsmurf0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The guy actually did something. Anastasia just sits there and get's hit on.

[–]MajesticShadow10435 points36 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Girl wants to go watch 50 shades of Gray at her local cinema and is into BDSM?

It's fine for women to have their own kinks! Not everyone is the same!

Guy Likes to watch porn

EEEWW!!

He's got mental issues, is insecure and was probably abused throughout his childhood! The patriarchy is responsible for this!

Girl has no willpower and is 50 pounds overweight?

Not her fault. She's beautiful. Social constructs NEED to be changed.

Girl sluts around with 100 guys without condoms?

Not her fault. She's empowered and strong.

Guy bangs a 100 chicks?

He's an asshole.

Girl is irresponsible with sex and has five abortions in her 20s?

It's her body and she can do whatever she wants. A fetus inside her is not a living entity.

Girl is making less money than men?

The patriarchy is holding her down.

Guy is making less money than women?

Good. It's about time the gender roles have been reversed. :)

Girl gets drunk in a guy's house and has sex with him?

He took advantage of her. She was raped.

Girl studies stupid and useless major such as "Creative Writing" in college and can't get a job?

The 1% owes her a marketing manager position.

Girl sleeps with her college professor in exchange for a better grade?

She was a victim. The professor took advantage of her.

Guy sleeps with his female professor in exchange for a better grade?

He's a rapist. Off to jail with him.

Girl likes dating guys much younger than her?

You go girl! Rob that cradle!

Guy likes dating girls younger than him?

You are not a man! You disgusting misogynistic asshole! You do this to "enslave" younger women and continue to enforce the "patriarchy"!

Girl experiences an uncomfortable moment of any kind?

She's being harassed. Men are creeps.

Girl travels to Italy or Spain to bang hot European men?

She's "romantic".

Guy travels to Europe to have sex with beautiful European women?

He's disgusting. No self respecting person would ever do that.

Wife gets slapped by husband after she pushed him first?

Call the police and send him to jail.

Wife cheated on her faithful husband?

He wasn't attending to her needs maaaaaaan. She wasn't happy maaaaaaaan. Give her the kids and half his money maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan.

Mother runs over her own kid in an accident?

The SUV wasn't safe. It's the auto industry's fault.

Mother kills all of her kids?

She was mentally sick. We must give her love instead of severe punishment.

Father kills all of his kids?

Prosecuted and sent to jail for life.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself20 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Here's a new one being introduced in Spain (and is already in Sweden):

She becomes a prostitute to pay the bills

Do what you gotta do, grrl

He uses a prostitute to get off

Rapist!

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women are victims and have no responsibility for themselves, don't cha know?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

oh don't forget "she murders him in HIS SLEEP" --> she abused him, just believe me though!

[–]XXXmormon4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I posted a funny synopsis of the two characters in the story on a facebook post, making it a point to lay out all the parts of the main character woman that made her a huge shit head. She's a lazy, unambitious student studying a dead end degree in college, who doesn't think about how her actions will affect her future. She's rude, condescending, self important, clumsy, and obnoxious to everyone. Somehow, she lands the affection of a gorgeous millionaire with tons of money, power, effectiveness, all the traits women swoon over. She finds part of his personality abraisive but decides all the other perks are worth it to her and "enthusiastically consents" to not only the relationship, but the things she knows the guy is all about. From the start he makes it clear he likes to live a certain way and if she's not into that she can move along. Yet also, he acts like a loser stalker obsessing over her for reasons that don't get tied together in the plot.

The only response I got on topic, was a passive aggressive comment from a feminist woman about how likely it is that I'm a woman abuser, or even more likely to commit abuse against women in the future, because apparently by pointing out her flaws I'm justifying the way she was abused.

All I did was laugh to myself. She completely missed the point and not only wove up a narrative about what she thought I was trying to say, but also decided to label me as a woman abuser.

[–]Kyuzo_16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Good message, but for the love of god, please look up brevity.

[–]spacelord7771 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

brevity. n. "The soul of wit"

[–]king_of_red_alphas4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Great read. Honestly it feels suited for print. Too bad Time or Rolling Stone wouldn't have the balls to publish such a thing.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

It appears you haven't had much experience with the BDSM comunity. Yes there are insufferable twats who say stupid shit like a gf putting out is bad, but then there are so many others who want to get hate fucked and so much more. The obnoxious feminist cunts rant and scream, meanwhile the submissive sluts I know ignore them. They know what they want, and that is to be dominated, at the very least. They are adamant about it, and men like me can do damn near whatever we want with them, married, taken, young, hot, or not.

The book is mild and very tame compared to what the local group I know does. Most are amused by it, it's like vanilla fuzzy handcuff type shit.

[–]jacks1000[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I've never felt the need to join a "community" of people who happen to be into certain sexual things I might be into. I suspect most women are "subbie" to a certain degree.

The people who hold themselves out as "members of the BDSM community" write online stuff so feminist and so politically correct it would make a Tumbl Social Justice Warrior blush.

Let's put it this way, I know enough about "the community" to not want any part of it.

vanilla fuzzy handcuff type shit.

Yeah, and I've also never wanted to get into some competition about who is into more "hardcore BDSM" either. Just doesn't matter to me.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's fun to fuck six different girls in one night, tie them to things, and do the other shit. It's not a need, it's fun and very enjoyable. Having girls beg and plead to be next, or to even get to play with you is quite interestin.

I don't give a fuck who is more hardcore, but you're trying to paint with a wide brush. I don't know any feminist bitches like that, but I have seen their drivel, and the woe is me trigger bullshit. Sounds like you're simply judging everyone because you saw something once you didn't like. Fuck, you sound like the people you ranted about, know jack shit but think your opinion is right.

Not sure if that is irony, hypocrisy, or projection.

One thing that bothers me about some of the more vocal twats online is the victim mentality. She had it so bad, she had something happen, she should be treated special because she was victimized. Bitches like that get nowhere with me, even if they were hot, which they never are.

There are shitty people, broken girls trying to fix problems, and straight up pain sluts who love to be degraded, humiliated, beaten, whipped, and anything else I can think of. Ignore the bullshit, enjoy the fun stuff. You're focusing on the bullshit and claiming moral superiority like you're some kind of sjw.

[–]jacks1000[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I reject the entire notion of a "Community" that's all. Virtually all of the people who say, "as a member of the BDSM Community" then go on to tell everyone else what is "real BDSM" what isn't, etc. I'm sure there are scenes that are fun, I'm not "judging" anyone, other than annoying politically correct people that claim to be "experts" on something.

Most people into BDSM aren't members of a "scene" or "the community."

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I saw members of this, "community" on Facebook posting the other day, and I said much the same thing. Most people are into a bit of aggression, violence or BDSM.

They do it without joining a "community" or being vocally supportive of one.

[–]147896325874123694 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I saw the other day that an ex-gf of mine that i used to tie up, spank and anally ravage, posted on facebook that 50 shades promotes abusive relationships. I just smirk to myself because shes married and has her first kid on the way and I know she's just keeping up appearances for her family. Literally the only thing that kept our relationship going was the sexual chemistry.

[–]muddynips2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The popularity of this movie single-handedly proves a majority of the points on this sub. As much as I dislike 50 shades with respect to art and film-making, it is a helpful reminder about the nature of women.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

To feminists, a woman consenting to be tied up and flogged at a sex club is fine – but a wife obeying her husband; that’s sexist misogyny. A woman who is a “slave” in the “BDSM Community” can be collared and made to eat dogfood – that’s just a “kink.” But a girl putting out for her boyfriend to keep him happy – that’s “date rape.”

The psychological illness of modern feminism in a nutshell.

[–]HS-Thompson7 points8 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Actually I think most arts critics hate it because it's really fucking terrible from an artistic standpoint. Secretary got good reviews, there's no reason to make this idiot-culture phenomenon into a referendum on anything. As a work of literature or cinema it's total garbage.

You do know you're talking about Twilight fan fiction right?

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Shitty movies and books come out all the time without generating this much controversy. Let's get real here. I think OP was pretty accurate and was well thought out.

[–]HS-Thompson0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

People also hate Justin Beiber. And even more to the point they hated Twilight too. I think the reaction has more to do with that than anything else, it's extremely common to hate on really crappy lowbrow stuff that gets ludicrously popular.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

People hate bieber because he's terrible. People love him because he's a pop star. Even though there are people that both like and hate him there is no controversy around him. You don't seem SJWs, feminists, TRP, conservatives and who knows what other groups getting riled up about Justin Bieber. 50 Shades of Grey is popular for the same reason Twilight was popular. Mysterious and powerful alpha male falls in love with bland and boring plain jane.

[–]jacks1000[S] 6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Secretary got good reviews

When Secretary came out in 2002, it was thrashed by the same political correctness/feminism crowd. It was considered "controversial" and "misogynist."

Over a decade later, it's become a classic, but at the time it was hated.

If 50 Shades was so terrible for just being a piece of crappy, throw-away spanking porn, they would just say that.

Instead, it's spawned thousands of articles saying it's "dangerous" and "misogynist" and feminists have said it has "set the feminist movement back 50 years."

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If one novel/film can set a movement back 50 years, then the movement wasn't worth a damn in the first place.

[–]apackofwankers-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

9 1/2 weeks was a better movie

[–]throwingwater1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

White knights and beta types talk a lot about women being allowed to express themselves freely and do whatever they want, but their responses towards what is essentially entertainment is laughable. Suddenly they forget their narrative that women are suppose to be grown adults that can make decisions for themselves and can distinguish reality from fiction. Suddenly they talk about how people shouldn't watch it because women will be impressionable and potentially get into abusive relationships or they resort to name-calling of women who enjoy it as depraved or sick or demented. The only people we monitor the media of are children, young children because we assume adults can watch entertainment and leave it as is. Despite all their talk about treating women like human beings, at the end of the day, they still feel the need to monitor them when women do things they don't agree with.

But their actions makes sense considering the fact that this book/film shows them a reality where it isn't some beta or white knight that gets the girl and it makes them angrier knowing that there are so many women that get turned on by this stuff when they've always felt like women should love their beta selves.

[–]DaphneDK1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Wuthering Heights with spanking

Lets not get carried away here. Wuthering Heights is actually quite decent and Wuthering Heights is also only one book of about 2-300 pages, whereas 50 Shades are three volumes of a gazillion pages each of what I can only imagine to be inane chatter and moronic dreary.

For some reason modern US novels (& also technical manuals as a matter of fact) have this tendency to explode in a never ending blob of tedious words. I’ve been told it is because bigger books tend to stand out on the racks and therefore sell better in bookshops. I had hoped Amazon would put an end to this nasty trend.

[–]jacks1000[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Some mostly-pro-feminist man in the BBC documentary about the film called it that (or an Edith Wharton novel, I might have misremembered.)

The point is, it's just a typical romance novel with a tiny bit of BDSM and spanking in it. It's not some great profound insight into human or female nature or anything. It's just Twilight with a bit of sex.

The reaction to it - positive or negative - is so overblown it shows it hit a nerve, that's all.

[–]1neveragoodtime1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think Secretary did this relationship right already. Check that movie out.

[–]jacks1000[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Secretary is one of my favorite films. It's a classic. Nevertheless, when it came out in 2002, it was considered quite "controversial" and the feminists said it was "problematic."

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[–]NickCiufi2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Point of clarification: the ultimate bad boy would never sparkle.

[–]jacks1000[S] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

but Ana is not a submissive.

I categorically reject the "BDSM Community's" definitions of things. Most women are a little bit subbie. There is no great distinction between "submissives" and "not submissives" regardless of what the "BDSM Community" says.

It's about taming the ultimate bad boy. Not submitting to power.

Eh, so is Secretary. By submitting, she "tames the bad boy" and finally gets him "wrapped around her finger."

It's all the same, essenitally.

[–]NeoreactionSafe0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's just porn.

Basically it's a porn flick that has gained a mass audience.

(probably the first true porn to be fully mainstreamed)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Only an evil, sick man would be rough with a woman! Sex is supposed to be about tender caresses and the missionary position. "My wife in an innocent angel, why, she doesn’t get turned on ever, except when I rub her feet on date night! My daughter is totally chaste and she tells all those nasty boys “no” – she would never purposefully and with malice aforethought seduce a man – especially not an older man! That’s just sick!"

A lot of modern W.A.S.P. conservatives are naive enough to believe this, perhaps, but go back a few decades, and I'd assert that it was common, if unspoken, knowledge that womens sexuality was volatile and anything but holy. My great-grandmothers father used to sit between her and her husband (then boyfriend) and read a book while they sat in silence, and had no choice but to read themselves to pass time (1930's). In these settings when the culture was completely conservative, couples walking around, seen together would have been heavily scrutinised and female sexuality restricted. If someones daughter took the bus by herself at night, she would have been chastised as doing as a 'common prostitute' etc.

This has been ruined as we all know in the modern progressive age, leading to the degeneration of western culture, strong families etc.

[–]MullingMulianto0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There's also a very simply explained party factoring in it. The beta males hate 50 SOG because it involves people getting action while they're getting none.

Or, well, the readers because the readers are having fun and they have to resort to their right hands.

[–]a_scourge0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

i'm confused. you think there is a difference between feminists/progressives and christians? they are the same heresy, disguised slightly differently

source: i am a believer in christ, and have seen a very clear pattern of our faith being turned into a prog 'pep rally' it's really sad

[–]SILENTSAM690 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I know a girl who read the book and is into BDSM. She hates it because it does a bad job portraying BDSM. Also because it was so vanilla in terms of its kink.

[–]antwonedw0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

good read. I skimmed some parts, but overall i get he message, and it's well articulated and profound.

[–]Stinkfished0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Are you a woman op because you went on and on without saying much at all?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Any time it seems like you're about to make a rational point, you go off on conservatives and Christians. Take that shit to /r/politics.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You make some good points. I wish you had done so in fewer words.

Try to cut the fat off this and then post in as a standalone entry on your blog (that is, start a blog if you don't have one).

[–]jacks1000[S] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Gee, everyone's a critic.

The blog entry is linked in the post.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol, you should probably downvote me for that. I glazed right over the link and jumped right into the body.

[–]awfukbye-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

People did not hate 50 shades for the reasons stated. The movie was poorly done and acting sucked and this isnt anything against male sexuality. Please take ur tin foil hats and open ur eyes. Not everything u read on the internet is real

[–]Awesomefusion-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"not to mention kill the ragheads that are living on top of our oil."

wow

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Amazingly insightful read, thank you for sharing.

[–]twistedbrother2-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Conservative men don't hate or dislike female sexuality, you strawmanning liberal idiot, they embrace it and love it. Your post reeks of liberal horseshit too.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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