Why women can't give good dating advice to men.

semigod__ · 2014-02-26T07:21:53+00:00

besides the hamstering and the inability to see their raw desires, i think a big part of women is they want someone who is already at the top of his success.

they want you to have money, muscles, confidence but dont want to see how hard it was for you to get it. they dont want to see a man struggling to win, they want a man that already is a winner.

men, and particularly trp, dive beyond that and try to teach each other how to be a winner, or atleast how women can perceive you as a winner. womens advice is "just be a winner".

RedSunBlue · 2014-02-26T07:54:39+00:00

I am a Heterosexual woman, AMA!

That was exhausting to read.

2014-02-26T13:13:48+00:00

The main thing is that women generally don't know what they want. They can recognise an attractive man (obviously), but they don't understand what this consists of. Add political correctness to that, and you get bullshit like "be yourself".

2014-02-26T14:47:54+00:00

When being honest, women can often explain what they want, but can't explain how that guy got there because they never went through that process. It's like being able to identify the Olympic champion because he beat all his competitors and he is receiving his gold medal on the podium. But how did he get there. What is his training routine? What is his diet?

I know when a girl has nice makeup and nice hair. I'm a guy, I know what guys like. But, don't ask me for advice on makeup, hair products, or how to walk in heels. When women say stuff like "be confident", that literally is the best they can do to explain it. I don't blame them, because they have no clue how the confident guy ended up that way. But to a beta, it's like trying to telling him "grow six pack abs" or "become a millionaire".

redpillbanana · 2014-02-26T16:49:27+00:00

TRP is not one weird trick to get you laid. Its the diet and exercise plan to get you fit and running a marathon.

Awesome quote. TRP and lifting have a lot in common - you need to slowly build your Red Pill muscles over time.

2014-02-26T15:29:46+00:00

Being attractive and confident enough to attract women is something that takes more than a little hard work and commitment. It takes calibration.

http://www.feministcritics.org/blog/2010/10/15/creep-noh/

Lesbian journalist Norah Vincent dressed up and lived as a man for 6 months for her book Self-Made Man. She tried dating, and got a horrible shock. She discovered that the heterosexual male initiator role is much harder than she ever imagined as a woman:

We don’t have to do the part where you cross the room and you go up to a stranger that you’ve never met in the middle of a room full of people and say the first words. And those first words are so hard to say without sounding like a cheeseball or sounding like a jerk

Cheeseball, jerk, or perhaps… creep?

... Guessing how to make sexual advances with women as a heterosexual male is not just about basic social skills; it also involves intermediate/advanced social skills. If initiating was a basic social skill that was easy to do without being a “creep,” Norah Vincent wouldn’t have felt like a”cheeseball” or “jerk” approaching women as “Ned.” Vincent probably has at least average social skills. She is a woman and probably has a pretty good idea of what creeps them out. Yet she still had a tough time.

Feminists need to stop acting like they are qualified to expound on the level of social skills that are necessary for heterosexual men to initiate with women effectively in ways which avoid risking too much discomfort. Sorry feminists, but we guys know what it takes better than you do. If you’ve got an actual argument, let’s hear it, but don’t just flatly deny my experience. Like Vincent discovered, initiating in the male role is harder than you think.

sir_wankalot_here · 2014-02-26T10:53:50+00:00

The post on don't explain the how the magic trick works because it pisses most people off hints at the problem. Ask most members of an audience how a magic trick is done and they will come up with all sorts of silly theories.

MahlerNinth · 2014-02-26T17:27:19+00:00

for the same reason that fish can't tell a fisherman how to catch them.

reedrichardsstretch · 2014-02-26T14:47:09+00:00

tbf my sister is ruthlessly honest about this

She says she wants the man to be tall, have a good job and have a fun and confident personality rather than being emotional or too nice, because she says it makes her feel bad and nervous around people like that in case she'll upset them. She even said she'll be controlling and demanding, but that self-awareness though

General_Fear · 2014-02-27T01:34:54+00:00

Women can't give advice on dating because they don't know what they want. They say one thing but their behavior speaks volumes.

Ask a woman what they want, they will tell you they want a sweet, sensitive man. A caring man who listens. Who reads them poetry and buys them flowers. Then they go to bed with an asshole with torn jeans, nose ring and a tattoo on their face. And these women gag on their own contradictions. LOL

ThirdLegGuy · 2014-02-26T21:15:16+00:00

Nice analogy, good read

Cyralea · 2014-02-26T07:34:42+00:00

I wouldn't say this is strictly true. A woman in touch with herself and her her own bullshit can give you a perspective to look into - which, given the right tools, you can process into advice to follow.

mrust · 2014-02-26T14:49:09+00:00

Words like easy and dull and nice are poor choices because they are often used where a more discriminating concept is necessary. Debates will often start because people can't agree on the meaning of a word or if they are intellectually dishonest, they will switch up the meanings mid-argument.

You have a spectrum from simple to complicated, and orthogonally, another spectrum from effortless to work-intensive, and finally another spectrum from easy to difficult based on psychological barriers which gets conflated with the others.

Approaching a woman is simple, effortless and for some people very difficult.

Losing weight can be simple (eat less) or complicated (count calories and macro nutrients) and work intensive and easy or difficult depending on the person.

tl;dr: be discriminating in your women and in your words

HeadingRed · 2014-02-26T18:51:44+00:00

It's like asking a trout for fishing advice.

Not my line, but still a good one.

NikolaTeslaMGTOW · 2014-02-26T08:08:11+00:00

RAWR I hate vegans. That aside women dont want to spill the beans about how to manipulate them. RAWR Im eating meat salmon RAWR. Ok im done....

RAWR...

josuwa · 2014-02-26T11:41:54+00:00

Can anyone tell me what's wrong with her statement? TRP is indeed something to make you more 'sensible' to bullshit women and nice women. So I feel her statement is kind of... true?

Title	Why women can't give good dating advice to men.
Author	GaiusScaevolus
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Date	February 26, 2014 6:14 AM UTC (10 years ago)
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