Too long; Didn't read (Tl;Dr)

People have been asking for a Tl;Dr version of the r/GoodMenGoodValues (GMGV) Primer for ages. Well, here it is. The guide as follows covers:

  • the introduction to the GMGV primer

  • masculinist detractors of GMGV

  • feminist detractors of GMGV

  • general detractors of GMGV

  • GMGV practical approaches

  • general discussion about GMGV

  • additional sections in the GMGV primer

In short, the basic point is that sexual and romantic isolation can happen in dating, even to GMs and that this is in spite of common misconceptions (which will be addressed in the below guide).

 

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SEXUAL / ROMANTIC ISOLATION THAT CAN HAPPEN, EVEN TO GOOD MEN IN DATING: A GUIDE TO READING THE GOODMANGOODVALUES (GMGV) PRIMER

Welcome to the r/GoodMenGoodValues (GMGV)^(1) Primer^(2) Guide. Contrary to the myth of the NiceGuy^(TM) ^(3), here at GMGV, we believe there are genuinely Good Men^(4) (monogamous or non-monogamous) with attractive, virtuous, desirable traits and style(!) who can still fall short in the dating world. GMGV is a community platform for discussions around this general topic. We refer to Good Men as "GMs" and the fake Nice Guy^(TM) sorts as "NGs". More clarification about what we believe in the primer contents list below and clickable links (referenced and cited under the "see also" subtitles) used to refer you, the reader, to relevant sections and definitions of terms. If there are any terms or acronyms you are not sure of, you can always check GMGV's)^(1) Glossary^(5) and compose^(6) a message to GMGV)^(1) moderation for any terms or acronyms that you feel may be missing, as well as general feedback.

 

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SECTION A: AN INTRODUCTION TO r/GOODMENGOODVALUES (GMGV) [click here]

In this first Section of the GMGV^(1) Primer^(2), we discuss introductory topics to give a viewer a first impression into GMGV's^(1) overall ideological mindset. This is a stance that argues:

 

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SECTION B: MASCULINIST DETRACTORS OF r/GOODMENGOODVALUES (GMGV) [click here]

This Section is dedicated to refuting some of the Manosphere^(12) and traditionalist based detractors of GMGV^(1). In this section, we also take some time to look at other groups like Involuntary Celibates (InCels)^(13), Red Pill (RP)^(14) and Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW)^(15). The topics covered include:

 

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SECTION C: FEMINIST DETRACTORS OF GMGV [click here]

Here, we talk about some of the arguments put forwards by Feminism^(18) against the kinds of discussion GMs^(4) want to have about issues in dating^(19). We break down some of the rational discourse and separate the wheat from the chaff so to speak: that means we acknowledge the arguments that deserve to be acknowledged and separate them from derailing tactics^(10) that don't truly deserve to be taken seriously. In this section, GMGV^(1)

 

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SECTION D: GENERAL DETRACTORS OF GMGV [click here]

Some detractors of GMGV^(1) are Feminist^(18). Some of them are Masculinist^(12). Some arguments could belong to both categories, while still, other detractors may not identify by either of these admittedly loose terms. In this area of the Primer^(2), we look at a Gish Gallop^(24) of generally quite aggressive derailing strategies^(10) that could not otherwise be succinctly addressed in regular parlance (only through written discourse^(16) that has been well-resourced could achieve this effect):

 

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SECTION E: GMGV PRACTICAL APPROACHES [click here]

GMGV^(1), besides being a discussion Platform^(33), it is a support network that explores concrete solutions to our problems in dating, both on a macro-^(34) and micro-^(35) level. We don't like it to be said that we're just pessimistic whiners because we don't accept useless pieces of advice from people who are generally only superficially trying to "help" us in the first place. Nor do we like it to be said that our focus with macro- (socially oriented) solutions constitutes entitlement^(25), unethical strategies^(36) or that it is an excuse from avoiding solutions on a micro- level (individually oriented). In this section we explore the following concepts:

 

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SECTION F: GENERAL DISCUSSIONS ABOUT GMGV [click here]

This section is devoted to covering advanced topics that have not been covered in Sections A-E. If you have read the whole GMGV^(1) Primer^(2) up to this point you will have developed a certain depth and insight into our subject matter, regardless of whether you agree or not with the central premises to this community. In this Section we will look at some of the subject matter that is less easy to grasp:

 

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ADDITIONAL SECTIONS

The GMGV^(1) Primer^(2) contains additional Sections which support the meta-narratives established throughout Sections A-F which in turn provide additional context to the main theme of this subreddit^(46) as established in Section A.1^(7). These include:

 

 

  • Addendum: Resources That Have Been Reviewed By GMGV

In the Addendum^(47), we include our list of GMGV^(1) reviewed resources from a Sexually / Romantically Good Man (SRUGM)^(17) perspective and explain how it is relevant to our central theme and what the relation is to meta-narratives explored through Sections A - F of the GMGV^(1) Primer^(2).

 

 

  • Appendix: Subsidiary Topics

The GMGV^(1) Appendix^(48) is dedicated to exploring subsidiary topics that support the meta-narratives around GMGV's^(1) central themes, as established through Sections A-F. These topics were too long and difficult / boring to read when included in the main body of the Primer which is why they have since been moved over here. To understand the purpose of these Sections, it is best advised for you to see which parts of the GMGV^(1) Primer^(2) they were linked to, which is referenced under the Extra Reading subtitle of each separate Section.

 

 

  • Glossary: Terms and Acronyms Used In GMGV and Related Communities

GMGV^(1) is related to, although ultimately separate from many communities throughout the Pillosphere, Manosphere^(12) and the ideological spectrum as a whole. This means that there is a very large baggage of jargon that is related to those Platforms^(33) and can be difficult to get your head around and hence, this is the purpose of the GMGV^(1) Glossary^(5). If there's a term, abbreviation or acronym that's not on this list, there's a good chance it will be covered through using the Urban Dictionary search function^(49).

 

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REFERENCES

[1] GLOSSARY: r/GoodMenGoodValues (GMGV) [click here] / [2] MAIN PAGE: The r/GoodMenGoodValues Primer [click here] / [3] GLOSSARY: Nice Guy^(TM) / Nice Guys^(TM) (NG / NGs) [click here] / [4] GLOSSARY: Good Man / Good Men (GM / GMs) [click here] / [5] GLOSSARY: All Terms, Acronyms and Abbreviations [click here] / [6] COMPOSE: Write a Message to GMGV Moderation [click here] / [7] SECTION A.1: The Distinction Between Good Men and Nice Guys) [click here] / [8] SECTION A.2: Limitations on Discourse for Good Men [click here] / [9] r/GOODMEN: A Screenshot Sub Evidencing Men with Genuinely Attractive, Virtuous and Desirable Traits Falling Behind in Dating [click here] / [10] What is Meant by Derailing [click here] / [11] What is Meant by Good Values [click here] / [12] GLOSSARY: Manosphere / Masculinism [click here] / [13] GLOSSARY: Involuntary Celibate (InCel) [click here] / [14] GLOSSARY: The Red Pill / Red Pill (TRP/RP) [click here] / [15] GLOSSARY: Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) [click here] / [16] GLOSSARY: Good Man Discourse (GMD) [click here] / [17] GLOSSARY: Sexually / Romantically Unsuccessful Good Men (SRUGMs) [click here] / [18] GLOSSARY: Feminism [click here] / [19] GLOSSARY: Game [click here] / [20] SECTION C.1: The Anti-Egalitarian Premises of Feminist Ideology [click here] / [21] SECTION C.2: Why Good Man Discourse Is Not Inherently Sexist [click here] / [22] SECTION C.3: My (u/SRU_91) Mysterious Intentions [click here] / [23] SECTION C.4: The Question of Whether Feminist Men Are Successful in Dating [click here] / [24] OUT OF REDDIT: "Gish Gallop" [click here] / [25] SECTION D.3: Asking If Sexually / Romantically Unsuccessful Good Men Are Entitled and Whether It's Just Their Problem [click here] / [26] SECTION D.11: Asking if Sexual / Romantic Isolation is Just a First World Problem [click here] / [27] SECTION D.4: The Question of Whether Attractiveness, Virtue and Overall Desirability is Subjective [click here] / [28] SECTION D.6: Evidence That Hypergamy Is Real [click here] / [29] SECTION D.8: The Language of r/GoodMenGoodValues [click here] / [30] SECTION D.12: Distinguishing Poor Debate Logic from Worthwhile Apologia [click here] / [31] SECTION D.7: How Sexually / Romantically Unsuccessful Good Men Spend Their Spare Time / [32] SECTION D.9: The Question of Sexually / Romantically Unsuccessful Good Men's Social Confidence [click here] / [33] GLOSSARY: Platform [click here] / [34] SECTION E.1: The r/GoodMenGoodValues Proposed Tri-Fold Solution [click here] / [35] SECTION E.4: Distinguishing Concrete Advice from Platitudes [click here] / [36] SECTION B.2: Why Systematic Monogamy is Not a Solution Proposed by Sexually / Romantically Unsuccessful Good Men [click here] / [37] GLOSSARY: Intersectional-Humanism [click here] / [38] GLOSSARY: damnatio memoriae [click here] / [39] SECTION F.1: The Purple Pilled Ideologically Centrist Intersectional-Humanist Theory Behind the Community of Sexually and Romantically Unsuccessful Good Men [click here] / [40] GLOSSARY: The Purple Pill [click here] / [41] Sexually / Romantically Unsuccessful People (SRUPs) / [42] SECTION F.3: Allowing Criticisms of r/GoodMenGoodValues and The r/GoodMenGoodValues Primer [click here] / [43] SECTION F.2: Allowing Opposing Ideologies at r/GoodMenGoodValues [click here] / [44] SECTION F.4: The Social Pressures and Barriers for Good Men in Dating [click here] / [45] SECTION B.4: The Masculinist / Feminist paradigm [click here] / [46] COMMUNITY: r/GOODMENGOODVALUES [click here] / [47] ADDENDUM: Resources That Have Been Reviewed By GMGV [click here] / [48] APPENDIX: Subsidiary Topics of The r/GoodMenGoodValues Primer [click here] / [49] OUT OF REDDIT: Urban Dictionary [click here].

 

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CONTENTS

To see the entire list of contents, click here

 

SECTION A: AN INTRODUCTION TO r/GOODMENGOODVALUES (GMGV) [click here]

 

SECTION B: MASCULINIST DETRACTORS OF GMGV [click here]

 

SECTION C: FEMINIST DETRACTORS OF GMGV [click here]

 

SECTION D: GENERAL DETRACTORS OF GMGV [click here]

 

SECTION E: GMGV PRACTICAL APPROACHES [click here]

 

SECTION F: GENERAL DISCUSSIONS ABOUT GMGV [click here]

 

ADDENDUM: RESOURCES THAT HAVE BEEN REVIEWED BY GMGV [click here]

 

APPENDIX: A COMPILATION OF SUBSIDIARY TOPICS [click here]

 

GLOSSARY: A GLOSSARY OF TERMS AND ACRONYMS USED IN GMGV AND RELATED COMMUNITIES [click here]