This one goes out to the lurkers and those on the fence in this sub. We're human, just like you, and we mean no harm. We're just dealing with the fruits of one of the most beautiful and well-coping lies we men have ever been told.
I was taking a casual walk to town to take care of some shopping and run a couple of errands for the household. I started thinking about all I lost over last year. They say men aren't supposed to cry. That we should be stoic at all times, but there are moments where just the pain of what you've experienced hits you all at once, and it overwhelms you.
I was smiling in front of people today. A couple of passerbys said hi, but I smiled and looked away because I was trying not to cry. It hit me like a brick.
Out there is a woman I love more than anyone else in the world, and the amount of fucks she gives about me is zero. I am forcing myself to dislike her because loving her hurts too much. Out there are friends I have sacrificed so much for who left me when I had nothing. Out there are family members who I cherished, but jealousy and contempt caused them to turn on me.
And out there, are people who I've hurt...sometimes intentionally, often unintentionally. Within me and my being is a trail of people that have influenced and affected me and who I have also influenced. There's a trail of brokenness and pain that I've had a hand in and many that has affected me. This is my humanity. And you know the most glaring truth in all of this?
I spent nine years that I should have used to develop necessary skills, much needed connections, and experience and tried to romanticize my life. I became an adventurer seeking purpose and got myself in a STRING of friendships and relationships with women who I honestly thought had my best interests in mind. I was a romantic, and was taught that a man should sacrifice for a woman, and in doing so, she will love him and remain loyal.
That wasn't the case at all, yet I kept trying and trying and trying. The vast majority of the female friendships/relationships ended on a horrible note the MINUTE my usefulness was up.
I had to bear witness to men treating them like crap, but having something like status or good looks that allowed them to get away with it. My kind acts, loyal friendships, good deeds, the MINUTE they were no longer beneficial, I was painted as the bad guy. I shit you not.
It made NO LOGICAL SENSE...but it wasn't a month ago as I watched someone who I, on multiple occasions, risked my health to make sure she was all right, see her give praise to a guy who gave her visible marks and treated her disposably, but was a good man deep down inside....meanwhile I was a misogynist who couldn't get laid.'
This was a FRIEND...someone who I once TRUSTED WITH MY LIFE. But after years of dealing with abuse, neglect, betrayal, and outright shitty behavior, it dawned on me...
I'm doing this to myself.
Since I've gone the MGTOW route officially back in late January, I've had plenty of time to face myself, and my deepest fears. I had to deal with the strong possibility that I will always be alone and that no woman would ever love me the way I want them to. I am supposed to be her slave, held onto the chain by the short-lived, but highly addictive promise of sex and something I crave even more than sex: emotional intimacy. With that, I was always that sucker. That poor sucker who didn't understand women.
And that's 9 years of my life with little to show for it and so much heartache and pain to get out of it. And I didn't get divorced raped or married. I can't imagine what it's like for people here who did. You guys are really heroes.
If you're on this sub, understand that most of these men are hurt, extremely hurt. They let our their cries of equality amidst a sea of feminist thought and was silenced by the media and painted as the enemy. They too, wanted to feel like they matter, that the cry of equality included them. But as they saw their hopes being crushed by the dark grip of reality, for many, including myself, it is too much.
A huge motivation for me working hard, as well as finding a purpose, was to one day find a woman. But now that I know that dream is dead, it's left me with an existential crisis that I find myself having trouble dealing with.
However, what I do know is this...life goes on.
I had those experiences. I fell in love and lost. I ventured into unknown places, and met many a person. I got life lessons through these interactions. I gained wisdom.
There is life after women. There is life after divorce. There is life after loss, because one day, there will be no life. You will be dead.
At 27, I am starting from scratch. My life will be shaped by any further decisions, and I've decided that it's time I atoned for my past sins and own up to my own bullshit.
I allowed myself to be used. I allowed myself to believe in my delusions. I was cowardly and wanted to escape my suffering by essentially becoming ADDICTED to females.
You men are not alone and never will be. This is a place for healing...to express your anger and mistrust without judgment, and once you do that, once you see life for what it is, can you take the steps to forge your own identity.
Going your own way is a process, and we are here to help you along on that difficult journey.
Much love, Natsume25
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points (7 children) | Copy Link
This really hit home for me.
What a fucked up world we live in. In order to survive, we have to kill the one good thing within us - our ability to love. What tragic absurdity.
[–]TheYekkeEndorsed0 points1 point2 points (6 children) | Copy Link
Once you hit 35 that crap is done with thanks to a small drop in testosterone levels. It is then, and only then that you cease to see the wahmen as special and start seeing them what they really are. Liken it to Constantine explaining to the female cop that there is no going back. Clarity is intoxicating and my best years started then and then only.
To clarity!
[–]LittleGanymede0 points1 point2 points (5 children) | Copy Link
We don't lose are ability to love. We lose are ability to feel romantic love for women.
If you want to love I recommend adopting. You'll rediscover that feeling inside you when you have a child to look after.
[–]TheYekkeEndorsed0 points1 point2 points (4 children) | Copy Link
I adopted. When you lose that perfect child to a disease without a cure it tears your soul worse than if it was your own.
[–]LittleGanymede0 points1 point2 points (3 children) | Copy Link
I'm sorry for your loss.
Yet that proves that you haven't lost the ability to love just because you know that women are glorified whores. You can love which means you feel thing things that come with it. Extreme pain from loss.
Love isn't always pretty as you very well know. It makes you question whether you should actually seek it when these are the type of consequences that so often happen because you fall in love. Whether it be a woman or your child.
[–]TheYekkeEndorsed0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Women don’t hold a candle to kids
[–]LittleGanymede1 point2 points3 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Yep. That's the point. If you think you can't love then have a child and see how quickly that changes your mind.
Directed towards any man that laments the fact that women are gold digging whores.
[–]TheYekkeEndorsed0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Sometimes they are just frigid.
Sometimes they are just spoiled
And thanks to modern life and man hating laws, they can all do the worst
Don’t think otherwise
[–]AcrobaticAge6 points7 points8 points (10 children) | Copy Link
This hit me in a way I didn' think was posible.
I (and many others here, I'm sure) know what you are talking about. You described that feeling better than I could ever do.
Coincidentially, yesterday I was at school and the teacher began to talk about wishes, needs and desires (I hope those are the exact words. English is not my mother language and this concept is kinda hard to translate).
He told us a desire is not a need, but there's nothing that can stop you when you have a desire, you can even forget about your needs when you have a desire. Desires make us their slaves. Our only goal is to fulfill them.
And when you have no desires, you only want to die.
I was once a suicidal person. I almost killed myself because I had no desires.
Your post reminded me that time.
I have walked a long trek since that time, yet I feel I haven't made any substantial progress.
Fortunately this time I know I'm not alone. Society may not give a shit about me, but there are many people close to me that would really be devastated if I wasn't here.
Indeed. We aren't alone. Maybe women are not what we were taught and we will never be loved the way we would like, but there are many people around us willing to help us when we need them.
[–]Rick_OShay12 points3 points4 points (7 children) | Copy Link
I so want to give you a hug right now.
The kind that combines the arm-wrestle position with a standard hug.
[–]AcrobaticAge1 point2 points3 points (4 children) | Copy Link
Duuuuude... that's the way I greet men I have worked succesfuly with! :o
[–]Rick_OShay11 point2 points3 points (3 children) | Copy Link
Unfortunately, I haven't found a name for that hug. It's not included in any list "hug types".
To be fair, those lists were written by women, and they don't do that kind of hug.
[–]AcrobaticAge0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
I did a search for "hug types" and "manly hug types" and I only got those kind of lists you talk about and lists made to try to decode what a woman wants to tell you with her hug or how to hug a woman.
Everything hug related revolves around women.
Meh!
They don't know what is like to have a comrade in arms.
[–]Rick_OShay11 point2 points3 points (1 child) | Copy Link
So, should it be called a "comrade hug"?
Yeah, just 36 hours before you looked it up, I looked it up, hence why I know that only women seem to categorize hugs.
[–]AcrobaticAge0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I like that.
[–]Natsume25Endorsed[S] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Arm drags.
[–]Natsume25Endorsed[S] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Source: former wrestling enthaudiast.
[–]hardlifeman1 point2 points3 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Good to remember, but depression is progressive - what do you do when your mental, physical, and spiritual health keep deteriorating? What do you do when you have severe physical and/or emotional/psychological pain that only keeps increasing? Maybe you have desires, and they are meaningful and substantial - but are seemingly or actually out of reach (or, in the case of love, not even real).To what degree should you altruistically continue suffering an increasingly miserable existence, just for the sake of others? Should those who really love you expect that?
It's a permanent solution to temporary problems, sure - but some problems aren't temporary. Some people who pursue all kinds of treatment never get better.
[–]AcrobaticAge0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Who cares? Couldn't do shit when I was at my "peak", why should I care when I'm not?
This was strong. I'll keep it in mind the next time I'm suicidal (I'm not being sarcastic).
Yeah... I've seen it many times. That's why I don't even waste my time getting "treatment".
[–]Natsume25Endorsed[S] 1 point2 points3 points (3 children) | Copy Link
A mod of this sub recommended me to you guys. I posted this on his suggestion, wanting to spread this message I wrote down in the darkness of a freshly broken heart.
I hope it resonates with you all. Cheers.
[–]Rick_OShay10 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
I so want to give you a hug right now.
The kind that combines the arm-wrestle position with a standard hug.
[–]Natsume25Endorsed[S] 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm not a big fan of full nelsons
[–]Rick_OShay10 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Totally not what I had in mind.
This is it. https://youtu.be/a497SzsQcI0?t=1m33s
[–]Rick_OShay10 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
"How does one drowning man save another?"
-Quote from Cat on a Hot Tin Roof.
I ask myself that question from time to time.
[–]Idontcareaboutcars0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Are you the guy who was homeless few years ago? Hope things seems to be getting better for you.
I think I finally gave up on love around 27 as well. I don't think I am a role model. Still, I think I could be in a much worse situation if I was still chasing unicorns around.
[–]Rick_OShay1-1 points0 points1 point (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm 26 and I know 99% of the pain mentioned in this post. The wisdom in this 28 minute video made in 1951 really comforts me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWfy0FS8i7g