The few women who post here, and sometimes men, will often offer BUT MEN DO IT TOO! as an explanation for women's conduct, choices, or statements.

"Women pick shitty partners." Well, men do that too!

"Women have no foresight and don't seem to care much about the future." But men are like that too!

"Women act like bitches sometimes." Well, men act like assholes sometimes!


Men, you need to realize what people are doing here when they shout "but men do it too" at you.

As Excuse for Women's Bad Behavior: First, the purpose is to excuse women's bad behavior. If MDIT is true, then you have no right to criticize women for their behavior. Wrong. Even if it is true that MDIT, that does NOT mean it is OK for women to do "it", whatever "it" is.

Men's Conduct Relates to, and Causes, Women's Conduct Second, even if it's true that MDIT, it's irrelevant. The fact that MDIT has nothing to do with women's conduct, or whether women's conduct occurs or is beneficial or detrimental. MDIT has nothing to do with anything.

Women have full agency, and can act independently of men. So, you really should be careful about asserting MDIT. To assert the charge of MDIT is to assert that women have no agency and act merely because men do. Do you really want to claim that women are children and are doing something only because MDIT? Do you really want to assert that women have no agency and are whipped about on the whim of men? Are you truly arguing that women really are, as TRP says, "the oldest teenagers in the house"?

The Charge of Hypocrisy: The third reason MDIT is shouted is to call men hypocrites. "You can't talk about women doing that unless you also talk about men doing that, and if you don't hold men equally accountable for doing that, then you are a hypocrite." Wrong. MDIT does not mean men are hypocrites for calling out women's bad behavior. There is men's bad behavior; and there is women's bad behavior. Two different things, two different standards. You do not get to deflect the conversation from women's bad behavior by saying that men engage in similar bad behavior.

The Charge of Hypocrisy is also an attack on the man asserting women's bad behavior. It is "attack the message by shooting the messenger". It is deflection from the truth of the matter asserted by claiming that the man asserting that truth has a character defect or is lying or attempting to conceal something.


Finally, it's that we here at WAATGM and associated Red Pill sites simply don't care that Men Do It Too. You might be correct that MDIT. Men might do all those things, more often, or worse.

We don't give a shit. For two reasons.

The entire world screams MDIT. In fact, the entire world screams "men did it, men did it first, men are worse than women, the only reason that women do it is because men do it/did it, it's all men's fault, men are the sole proximate cause of all of the world's ills", etc. etc. etc. ad nauseam ad infinitum. In the first instance, it's simply not true that "this is all men's fault", because it isn't. Women bear their share of the responsibiliity too, and we shine a light on it every day. This is one place where you don't get to claim "MDIT" as a mealy mouthed, half assed justification for women's bad conduct.

The other reason is that we are not here to help women avoid bad men. We are not here to alert women to men's faults and foibles. We are not here to help women find good men, date men, have sex with men, or get men to marry them. All those things are women's problems. Let women worry about and discuss those things. It's women's job to figure those things out.

I'm not here to help women solve their men problems. I'm here to help men solve their women problems.

So I don't really give an atomic particle of a fuck that Men Do It Too. If MDIT, ladies, that's your problem. It's not my problem, it's not our problem here at these sites, it's not men's problem, it's not "society's" problem, and it's not government's problem.