I'm seeing a lot of women and a few men coming here wanting to debate.

Just a friendly reminder that this sub is not a debate sub.

Sorry that you don't like what we're here to say. We don't care about your opinions. You never come here telling us facts, they're just your own personal experiences dressed up as "facts". We are not here to help you feel better about your contrary opinions. If you disagree with us, we're not here to help you work through your disagreement. Do that somewhere else. I might set you straight in one or two comments, but I'm not going to debate you because there's no point to it.

We are here to show men what a lot of women are doing to themselves and other men, and we're here to help men avoid these kinds of women. Women looking for bailouts. Leftovers looking for beta bucks. Sluts going into Epiphany Phase and looking to entrap men they're not attracted to. Friendzone Fionas. Mentally ill women. Women looking to ensnare, defraud, and manipulate men they're not attracted to into marriages so they can score status points with the Feminine Social Matrix.

Identifying women like this, and how to help men avoid them, are two of our core competencies. Trust us - we know these subjects better than you do, and better than 99% of all other people out there. I am over 50 years old. I have been dealing with women my entire life. I started dating women 36 years ago. I have been having sex with women for more than 30 years. I have been married 24 years to the same woman. I personally have been living with, reading, and studying these issues here and in the real world for almost 10 years. I personally have a good working knowledge of a lot of the "scientific" "studies" out there, as well as how these things actually play out in the real world. I hold a bachelor's degree in a social science, so I am well aware of how social science studies are designed, executed, written about, published, and interpreted. I know the difference between a survey and a double blind random controlled study. I understand the difference between peer reviewed studies and non- peer reviewed studies, and I also understand why peer review exists. The rest of us have similar experiences for similar periods of time. We are experts in this particular subfield.

We have had personal experience with women like this. We have met women like this - LOTS of them. We've dated them, fucked them, had relationships with them, been married to them, fathered their children, had our lives decimated by them, rebuilt our lives after said decimation, and many of us divorced them. (In fact, ALL men have had personal experience with women like this; it's just that we recognize it, we've connected the dots because we've done it literally hundreds of times, and we choose to put the knowledge out there for others who want it.)

We have heard all your arguments before and disposed of them years ago. We have heard and dealt with all the counterclaims, all the contrary claims, all the hate spewing, all the point-and-sputtering.

We already know the argument progression. It always goes from "Oh... an incel sub" to "NAWALT" to "we didn't say that" to "we didn't do that" to "but but but MEN DO IT TOO" to "How DARE you say that about women!" to "Jeez what an echo chamber" to "Who hurt YOU??!!" to "You are just misogynists" and always ending with the flourish "You are just bitter small dicked losers who can't get laid INCEL INCEL INCEL!!!". We already know what you are going to say before you say it, because we've already been down these roads before with you and people like you, dozens if not hundreds of times.

I don't really care if you want to deride this as a "hugbox" or a "safe space". We are right, you are wrong, and that is how it will always be. And that is why this is not a debate subreddit. If you want to debate these issues, there's other subreddits for that where they are still debating these issues and saying the same things now that they were saying last year, and the year before that, and 3 years ago, and 5 years ago. Both sides are saying now the same exact things they were saying 5 years ago. If you really want to look for yourself, you can, but trust me - they are.

Don't debate us on these particular issues. We are right and you are wrong. If you come here pitching for a fight, we'll just ban you with extreme prejudice.