Listen Here Fuckwads...

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My point is there were guys on there just hating on women no matter what. Which is exactly what feminism does. Which happens (on both sides) because they are unattractive and just want to hate. It was ruining that sub.

One issue is all the hate at McKenzie Bezos. A woman who is with a man before he was rich, helps him with the company initially and when he’s taking a big risk to do so, becomes the richest man in the world, yet he cheats on her and they all hate on her for getting money in the divorce. So many incels on there complaining about everything when it boils down to them being unattractive yet doing nothing to fix that problem, the same as the vast majority of feminists.

I’m not getting into the whole the law is unfair to men not just in divorce but now generally because that’s obvious. It’s ridiculous. But the incels there were sounding like feminists.

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Ahh ok. I can understand that the subject matter lends itself to rage quitting the establishment, which in turn invites the unapologetically hateful crowd. We don't really suffer from that here, because once a man has decided the world is fucked he either chooses to either game the system right back (TRP), turn his back on it (MGTOW), or forced to be on the outside looking in (incel). Such a man that has made his choice, will come here to laugh at the ridiculousness it has gotten and invest in understanding how he and his brothers were so well deceptively mastered. We invite all, but invariably will net those who have already pained at the realization of how fucked it all is.

MGTOW and TRP to a degree, invite those who are still pissed off because they have made their choice from an amatures position. After some time, the pissed off man masters the art of capturing his sovereignty and he doesn't need those places as much.

It's unfortunate that those places are quarantined, because in between this pissed off state of mind are geniuses willing to provide their insight for free and help all men that come to seek their wisdom. It's just too bad that you cannot gain popularity and therefore help many more men without also allowing or offering enough sensationalism to keep the community enthralled.

This is where our sub has really found it's place, or rather Kevin32 has discovered and built after mastering TRP and being one of those successful men.

We are not built upon the principle and then sprinkle in the entertainment; we are built on the entertainment and then sprinkle in the principle.

We do not make it a point categorize men or women into anything other than their limited subset of failures that they could make. That is the entertaining position we stand on and so who could argue that we care at all for the broader scope of women when we in fact support and encourage feminine qualities and being the best wife or mother a woman could possibly be. We are scoped positively, while retaining a strong satire and comical schadenfreude.

But the incels there were sounding like feminists.

You are labelling a group of men you do not know in a way that is impossible. As I already stated, men are not entitled or have any privileges women have and will. Feminists are born out of this encouraged privileged status, which men do not have and from which involuntarily celibate men are punished with the exact opposite degrading status.

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This is an interesting sub-topic because of the effect it has had on my Reddit/YouTube usage the past couple of years. I may be off base here, but I truly think that one might find the average age of a poster skews lower on the MGTOW sub and many "branded" MGTOW videos than it does either here or at the TRP.

I quit frequenting the MGTOW sub altogether due to seemingly every other post at the time being Pikachu face memes, SpongeBob memes, etc. 1.6k upvotes for a moronic meme about "I bet her queefs smell like Hot Cheetos and YooHoo", and another heavily upvoted post would contain a long, highly insightful comment about female nature and would receive 2 upvotes, along with a dozen people arguing against him with responses that sounded similar to those heard in my junior high school locker room 40 years ago. Similarly, on YouTube videos that are more "raging MGTOW" than 'thought pieces from the Manosphere' one can almost obviously tell the age range skews younger in the comments section.

I am definitely not shaming men, but simply able to roughly categorize their age by the content, expressions used, and cultural touchstones they invoke. I'm definitely not judging them either as we have all walked in the shoes of the immature young man and the lost, young, male adult. Nonetheless, the age demographics are telling in the content posted and comments left, in my opinion.

I have never pondered it before you now mentioned it; a progression of sorts from each of these forum bases to the other due to maturation of one's outlook, thought processes and emotional well-being based on the information and experiences one has been exposed to and digested. I would dare to roughly formulate it as such, outliers excepted of course, and with some overlap:
MGTOW: Early teens to early 40s
TRP: Late 20s through mid-40s
Here: Late 30s to late 50s

For all of the absolutists who might read this comment, yes, the existence of outliers was granted; yes, I saw men in their 50s and 60s post on MGTOW; yes, it is obvious that occasional posts here are from teens. See, I get it. Though there are pro-level athletes in college, and college-level athletes still in high school, we can generally agree that it is easy to tell overall whether one is watching high school, college, or professional level sports. Yet, one cannot help but sense the progression that u/where_muh_good_mens cites. MGTOW branded content, while NOT ALL rage phasers, definitely has a higher preponderance of rage phase than the other two. TRP has a higher preponderance of those who have escaped the rage phase and are now trying to game the system to their advantage. This sub has a much higher preponderance of those who are long past the rage phase, have no interest in gaming the system, and are content to sit back and laugh at the whole thing as if some perverted, cosmic entertainment was dumped into the laps of men. A much higher level of Greek hubris here than elsewhere, which is why I feel more at home here than elsewhere.

Sure, we continue to steel newcomers and old friends here with our observations and experiences of this modern clown world, but we have also acquired an endgame(?) attitude towards it as well. Like I said, we have almost all went through the various phases of this journey such as blue-pill bargaining, rage, attempt to game it to our advantage, and finally acceptance. Not an acceptance of our individual fates, but simply an acceptance of the world currently being what it is. Just a Saturday morning coffee-observation.....

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guys on there just hating on women no matter what. Which is exactly what feminism does.

That is patently false on the face of it. Women express contempt for men, and some radfems hate men. But on average, Feminist are simply seeking more power and privilege and trying to shirk the responsibilities that come with it. Their back slapping high- giving behavior is idiotic most of the time, but "hate" is a strong assessment for the average feminist.

And TAHT is the problem. Big Red is often seen as the prototypical modern feminist, but that is not accurate. And because of that things get skewed.

The same with MGTOW.

MGTOW guys most certainly DO get angry. And some DO hate women. I would argue they have every right and are completely justified in feeling that way.

But the most angry among them do NOT represent their whole cause.

To throw out the baby with the bathwater is a simplistic way of addressing a movement that is more complex than that - but not all THAT complicated that this cannot easily be understood.

That being said, your comment borders very slightly on breaking our rules. This sub is not about shaming men, men's movements, or other male-related subs.

Tread carefully here.

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Antithesis against feminism.

You don't see any advocating masculism, do you? Feminism exists because women are privileged, but consider themselves oppressed in order to ensure less scrutiny on their privileges and therefore higher opportunities for them. Since the world is already gynocentric, then it is impossible for men to claim the same inequality as they are already inferior under the court of public opinion and in most cases the law as well.

And men being granted rights.

That's what I mean there. Men are net taxpayers, women are net consumers. Women are privileged, so therefore men must pay for those privileges. Since men cannot claim oppression while retaining the privilege of ignorance and dependence as women do, then there can be no movement that appears similarly to feminism as it applies to men. Which was the basis for my original point.

I know men have less rights in this sjw paradise.

You do not need to make yourself available to women via their proxy to the state. All contributions you make, you make as gifts and voluntary allegiance to the powers vested in the state. Since women are the natural beneficiaries of the state by way of the gynocentric public opinion and biological order of feminine, dependent creatures, then any men that contribute to the state are the states trustees and therefore those who have responsibility for its welfare.

The state though is not some magical force that exerts its will on you under conquest. They must have your consent to take from you, or to take your property and use it for their greater discernment, which as we both know favors women over men. If it was not this way, then men would not accept the slavery they have been forced into and an environment that brews discontent will formulate a revolution, as have all tyrants fallen to before. The state is successful because it extracts your time, energy, property, and labor with your consent. Therefore, you support the collapse of civilisation if you contribute ignorantly or by default, in silence. In order to rectify this political and moral conundrum, you must learn how you are being deceived and hold those accountable that would transgress the people (your brothers) fraudulently. If you feel that is all too much work, and you just can't be bothered, then you are worse than the female feminists because at least we know they are incapable of holding themselves accountable, where as a man you are but choose not to, often to the detriment of your neighbor (brothers) and sustainability of your country under the law (as you do not follow the law and so subject yourself illegally to it).

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Upvotes establish trends, feed priority, visibility across reddits main subs as well as bots. Also, posts within the sub itself are seen by the community as valuable depending on their peers who have also acknowledged them. So the value isn't always calculated or assessed, but realized none the less.

But, what our MVP is saying here, is that we need the support of the community more than ever right now because there is a social stigma of anything that isn't absolutely insane or retarded. Hence why benign male spaces are being deemed toxic while female spaces are given a soapbox to promote their actual transgressions. If you want to continue having a space that reveals the truth, than make sure you support and defend those people are delivering that truth. He is saying, at the bare minimum you should be upvoting our content. It is your duty as a community member to stand up for what is right.

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Get your ass to the stickied posts and upvote that shit right now!

You lazy fucks can contribute at least ONE CLICK!

Now stop sitting on your ass and click that fucking arrow!

Title	Listen Here Fuckwads...
Author	DeeplyDisturbed1
Upvotes	150
Comments	53
Date	January 31, 2020 5:10 PM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen
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