"Men Now Avoid Women at Work – Another Sign We're Being Punished for #MeToo" - Gaurdian News Preventatively Closes Comment Section After Posting Article!

sleepyweaselisawake · 2019-08-30T16:59:22+00:00

"The answer to that question, perhaps, is that a lot of men aren’t so much afraid of being accused of anything as they are they are angry that #MeToo ever happened. They’re angry that they’ve been made to think about their behavior, made to interrogate power dynamics they always took for granted, and they are punishing women for it by refusing to interact with them."

Women have the working environment they've always wanted where men are keeping their eyes on their work and avoiding offending women at any level. Women are bitching because they aren't getting the attention they used to get.

Women have no fucking clue what they want. Once they get what they want they don't want it. There's no making them happy so, you're better off staying the hell away.

where_muh_good_mens · 2019-08-30T16:44:01+00:00

The worst place a family oriented woman can be is in the work place. Economists always tout low unemployment numbers as a success of the countries ability to generate resources, but I surmise it is the exact opposite. If most of the population is working, then that means the quality of work and the luxuries that work provides are getting lower, forcing the nurturer in the family to supplement the family income with time she should be spending raising her kids.

Or on the flip side, if women are strong and independent now, then shouldn't they be secure in their roles to provide their time and energy to their kids? When did becoming strong and independent entail forfeiting your children's future and having the state raise them?

The bottom line is this, 92% of women want to reproduce. They are being told to get expensive higher education, careers, and independence in order to be self sufficient. But as we have learned, this becomes an additional burden on their children who do not benefit from any additional luxuries gained from her additional source of income. In fact, children suffer from her lack of attention to them and both partners suffer from having to pick up the extra slack after working a full day.

Women should just get out of the work force if they want children. All of this #metoo nonsense would have never came about if we didn't have a bunch of careless thots placed in affirmative positions in order to fill company quotas so the government doesn't audit their businesses and make it difficult to turn profits. Women don't care about any of that stuff. They genuinely care about babies and being taken care of to provide care to their children. They only "work" so that they can supplement their own securities and often at the expense of their children's care. Then once they divorce rape their husbands, they continue working the bare minimum to get by with their ornery used up existence. None of this benefits the nations economy, and just detracts from hardworking men that do.

The #metoo result and subsequent use of the "Mike Pence" rule enmasse reveals women's lack of agency or care for accomplishment or making profitable arrangements. It has nothing to do with men not understanding sexual harassment or avoiding women as a result of false allegations. We are just seeing men rationalize women being generally useless to them in the workplace and avoiding high risk situations. Men are better at working and being profitable and not ruining their opportunities to do so because they are required to cooperate and be useful beyond having a wet hole in their gut. Women serve as a distraction in the work place for that same reason. Combined with their propensity to create drama, they are destructive to profits and therefore destructive to men making themselves useful. Women wanted to be strong and independent and thought being like a man was easy, fun, and better than staying home all day. Well, now they have it like a man and lo-and-behold it's lonely out there. Men don't owe you shit ladies. Especially not to their detriment and lacking any reciprocating benefit to themselves. It isn't their loss to not deal with you, it's yours. Bunch of crybabies.

Typo-MAGAshiv · 2019-08-30T16:49:55+00:00

When you get stung by wasps a few times, you learn to avoid them and their nests.

OPPRESSOR! how DARE you punish those wasps!

I also love how she completely ignores the issue of false accusations. What happens to men and our plight from skewed laws just don't matter.

dante_55_ · 2019-08-30T17:27:26+00:00

Coming up next:

"He didn't invite me to his Hotel room #METOO"

"He didn't offer me any alcohol #METOO"

"As I was drunk he didn't drink and he didn't do anything #METOO"

"As I undressed he walked away and called security #METOO"

"He had cams and the entire office saw and heard everything I said and did #METOO"

Cavannah · 2019-08-30T16:32:36+00:00

The end of this article reads:

"...Which makes you wonder why so many men are afraid to interact with women at work?

The answer to that question, perhaps, is that a lot of men aren’t so much afraid of being accused of anything as they are they are angry that #MeToo ever happened. They’re angry that they’ve been made to think about their behavior, made to interrogate power dynamics they always took for granted, and they are punishing women for it by refusing to interact with them.

It’s worth noting, I think, that the Harvard Business Review article previewing the study’s 2019 results is headlined The #MeToo Backlash. You see that phrase a lot and that framing subtly implies that #MeToo went too far, that a backlash is only natural. It’s yet another form of victim-blaming; another way to quietly put women back in their place."

The journalist that wrote this article clearly said why men are reluctant to interact with women in work environments and still swings it back to say we are at fault now for NOT interacting with women and that's it's more about anger than our own protection. You can't make this shit up. The journalist is a woman herself so even after laying out why men don't want to risk being charged with sexual assault, she finds a way to be bias... comical.

Why should she or any woman care that men don't want to be alone with them in the workplace? It's just another shitty thing to cry about when they don't get their way. You can't have both worlds. We've seen it with the cry for independence and equality and then them complain that chilvary is dead. Now we're seeing it with them paint all men as potential harrasers then complain that we now avoid them.

Pimozv · 2019-08-30T18:06:00+00:00

Attractive women at work are at best a distraction. At worst, they are a lawsuit waiting to happen.

Many men lose their cool in the presence of an attractive woman. I know I do. I don't behave normally when I'm alone with an attractive female. It's just brain biochemistry. Oxytocyn and stuff.

I suspect men refuse to interact with women not just because they are afraid of false accusations, but because containing themselves is just stressful. The slightest behavioral slip can be interpreted as harassment. I bet if you maintain eye contact a few seconds too much... BAM creepy stare reported. And if the woman happens to have cleavage and you glance at it, you're done.

I think Jordan Peterson once stated that men and women may just not be capable of working together. From an anthropological point of view, it would not be surprising. Hasn't work been gender segregated for ages?

ClockworkOrange92618 · 2019-08-30T17:29:02+00:00

"Men Now Avoid Women at Work – Another Sign We're Being Punished for #MeToo"

The article is conflating punishment for natural consequences. When I stick my leg into a wood chipper, I pull it out to find my leg mangled / destroyed / removed. If I were to hop around and tell people I was punished for putting my leg in a wood chipper, people will rightly tell me that I wasn't punished, I was just stupid and got what I had coming for my decision.

Similarly, men steering clear and denying women opportunities to move up that they would have had in the 80's and 90's is not punishment. Women acted foolish and made it clear they were in it for themselves, and this is but a natural consequence of what happens when you bite the hand that feeds you.

mimitchi86 · 2019-08-30T18:00:23+00:00

They are perfectly aware of what constitutes harassment and what doesn’t. Which makes you wonder why so many men are afraid to interact with women at work? The answer to that question, perhaps, is that a lot of men aren’t so much afraid of being accused of anything as they are they are angry that #MeToo ever happened.

No, she had it right, it's that we don't want to be accused of anything. You know how when it comes to communication, you can craft your message however you want, but you can't decide how the listener will receive it? Same thing here. I'm fully aware of what constitutes acceptable behavior and what my intent is, but I can't count on the recipient to be in sync with me.

For example, one of my coworkers was gone for a while because one of her kids died. When she came back, I refused to give her a hug or console her in any way because, while I think that would be acceptable behavior, I can't guarantee that she or other coworkers would perceive it as such. New clothes, new hairdo, coming back from surgery or vacation, etc.; I acknowledge none of it for the same reason. I probably come off as cold or unobservant to them, but that's far more preferable than losing my job to a BS harassment claim.

mblazin1532 · 2019-08-30T18:06:09+00:00

I love the ending to this article, " It’s yet another form of victim-blaming; another way to quietly put women back in their place. " Holy shit! Whammin always trying to turn shit around to make themselves the vicitms.

RedMeatTrinket · 2019-08-30T17:00:52+00:00

People try to avoid getting into trouble. Why is this a surprise to so many. When you're speeding in a car, you avoid places where there are speed traps or slow down in those locations, then speed back up. When there is a police car on the road next to you, you don't speed to avoid getting caught.

Having men treat women fairly in the workplace or not make sexual advances is one thing. With all the false accusations, men are going to avoid those places where they can be falsely accused. That means avoiding women in the workplace. This should have been the expected outcome but articles like this one make the author look stupid for not recognizing typical cause and affect.

houseoftolstoy · 2019-08-30T19:54:11+00:00

A new study has found US men appear to be following Mike Pence’s lead. Maybe they’re angry that #MeToo ever happened

Already see a flawed assumption before the real article starts. Men are not avoiding women out of anger, but self defense. When a woman can destroy your life with one false accusation, is it any wonder men are protecting themselves? "But women would never make something like that up!" Right. Women would never lie. Just because there is a fear of ostracism for pointing out the fact that women lie does not make it less true.

It’s not just men who are afraid of women, by the way. Women also appear to be increasingly wary of hiring women. The 2018 survey results found that more than 10% of men and women said they expected to be less willing than before to hire attractive women. (Note: the 2019 results for women are not yet public.) Internalized misogyny really is a bitch.

You cannot make these kinds of things up. Women know that other women are a liability. Of course rather than accept that women might be bad actors themselves, it is "internalized misogyny" that is to blame. Notice how anything critical of women is always attacked as misogyny, as if that wins the argument. Same exact thing with the term "racism/racist."

There’s been a lot of talk about “grey areas” in #MeToo. All this harassment business is very difficult for men, we’re told, because nobody even knows what sexual harassment is any more! Men are afraid to even shake a woman’s hand in case she thinks it’s harassment!

Gee I wonder whose fault that would be. Women are the ones that prefer to have loose definitions for terms, not men. Men prefer the black and white definitions.

a lot of men aren’t so much afraid of being accused of anything as they are they are angry that #MeToo ever happened. They’re angry that they’ve been made to think about their behavior, made to interrogate power dynamics they always took for granted, and they are punishing women for it by refusing to interact with them.

I have an alternate theory. Men are not angry that #MeToo happened. They would only have anger that it is currently being used to bludgeon and shame all men for the alleged actions of a few. That was the reason why so many of us detest the Gillette commercial.

But avoiding women is not about anger, but rather that some cases of #MeToo we suspect that there was exaggerations our outright lies. Men just want to protect themselves from women who might pull the trigger for some wicked motives.

moorekom · 2019-08-30T18:59:13+00:00

I made a comment a while back about metoo backlash. Copying the relevant part here.

Women are getting scared since this strategy takes their main power away. In-group shaming. You can't have that if you're not in the group. Women use exclusion and ostracization as punishment for noncompliance all the time, within themselves (primarily) and with men. They understand what's going on here. But they can't openly admit that they are being ostracized because that would make her look like she's not powerful enough to not let this affect her. Ah, the conundrum that is the strong, independent wahmen.

bushwicksick · 2019-08-30T19:14:18+00:00

#MeToo is dumb. If a man rapes you, report it to the police. Also, the Guardian News is a not a reliable source. They are a bunch of Left Wing, deranged, soy eating hacks.

relationshipadvith · 2019-08-30T19:51:28+00:00

Believe all women all the time no matter what they say so that all men must be aware that at any time a woman may accuse them of something, anything, and its over. No wait, what are you doing? Why won't you be around us and talk to us? WHY ARE YOU "PUNISHING" US?!?!

apekingorange · 2019-08-30T22:20:16+00:00

Isn't that #MeToo's endgame though?

Now, when you're a male you have to constantly check yourself. Best way to live at the moment is to completely ignore women, but once people start to notice that, you're called an incel.

Has feminism always been this dumb? Seriously, I'm starting to think Howard Zinn trolled me in his description on american feminism.

TooFatToMatt · 2019-08-30T18:50:55+00:00

If I were a tech savvy guy, I would try to invent something that can discreetly record my entire day. It would use GPS to document where I was at all times and it would record every conversation and interaction I had with others. I pretty much always want there to be a camera pointing at me and something recording everything I say.

Hillarysdilddo_2016 · 2019-08-30T20:52:04+00:00

Remember. Metoo was just a ruse to cover for degenerate leftist behavior. Basically too many Democrats and hollyweird types were getting accused so they had to do something to distract from their degeneracy. So they pushed this metoo narrative that worked in one way but also backlashed as it woke many men to the issue of vapid cunts making false allegations.

Besides isn’t this the same bitch that wrote articles saying air conditioning is sexist? Hard to keep it straight.

[deleted] · 2019-08-30T20:54:02+00:00

For those of you who don't know, Awra Mahdawi is a leftist idiot who writes for a left-leaning 'newspaper' that has to beg for donations at the bottom of its articles.

May they all rot.

Traksimuss · 2019-08-31T02:50:40+00:00

Why are women so fucking insufferable? I don't get it. It can't have always been this bad, or the species would have died out mellinia ago.

Cristoff13 · 2019-08-31T05:42:38+00:00

I see a lot of posts by woman online along the lines of "there's this guy at work I'm attracted to. I'm flirting with him but he seems too scared to flirt back." Other posts like "the only place I get to meet great single guys is at work, but dating colleagues is discouraged where I work".

yaboiicris_ · 2019-08-31T03:42:47+00:00

I was just raised and told not to fuck my coworkers. I thought everyone knew this.

Subjectobserver · 2019-08-31T04:44:45+00:00

The Guardian, The FT, and other newspapers disable the comments section for topics related to gender.

gloomcel · 2019-08-31T00:21:59+00:00

Pissed off when men give them the wrong attention but also angry when they receive nothing

Chad only tee hee

MKUltraGameShow · 2019-08-31T01:51:05+00:00

Women cannot comprehend the idea of a creature less petty, less vindictive, and less conniving than them. The simply cannot comprehend male thinking. It's not in their nature.

NickTesla2018 · 2019-08-31T00:06:37+00:00

Wow, she is completely oblivious to the problem.

aussielander · 2019-08-31T02:42:56+00:00

Oh look another #metoo back firing article that completely misses the point. Its not guys who sexually harresment women who are worried its guys that dont.

archevis · 2019-08-31T17:42:37+00:00

1) You weaponized #MeToo

2) Men responded with avoidance

3) You can't weaponize whining

Conclusion: Your loss

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

KazarakOfKar · 2019-09-01T16:25:40+00:00

lol "Men are angry that they have to think about their actions" no darlin, men are angry that men are being falsely accused of all manner of impropriety, that the accusations are believed with no evidence because #BELIEVEALLWOMEN and therefor they must take extreme steps to protect themselves from those accusations.

We have have a guy who killed himself after known THOT and professional victim Zoe Quinn falsely accused him. Its out of hand.

Quantumstinger · 2019-08-31T00:51:48+00:00

It’s not just men who are afraid of women, by the way. Women also appear to be increasingly wary of hiring women. The 2018 survey results found that more than 10% of men and women said they expected to be less willing than before to hire attractive women. (Note: the 2019 results for women are not yet public.) Internalized misogyny really is a bitch

Haha!

srtor · 2019-08-31T12:23:09+00:00

Women before: Why are all these men eye-raping me. Ugh. Men are so horrible.

Women after: Why they are not looking at me - which I demand as a attention-whore. Ugh. Men are so horrible.

[deleted] · 2019-09-04T01:22:23+00:00

A female employee added me on fb. I cautiously accepted. She posted a few pictures of herself and her family and I liked the pics, no comments. She then thought I was "interested" in her and had her fucking husband call me to "warn" me about liking her pics. GOD DAMN BITCH, fuck you. I fired her as soon as she missed 1 too many days.

siBantay · 2019-08-31T05:25:09+00:00

I'd rather be disappointed, avoidant at women OR a rapist... whatever it is.. it's my choice.

CantBanFacts · 2019-08-31T10:55:36+00:00

Can't have those evil men posting facts that falsify the narrative, now can you?

Stahlboden · 2019-08-31T15:40:34+00:00

When they bash you for avoiding people who were given power to destroy you on the whim

NickTesla2018 · 2019-08-31T18:28:46+00:00

Dumb bitches. You got what you wanted, and still aren't happy. Eat shit.

corey_trevorson · 2019-09-11T21:31:23+00:00

"The answer to that question, perhaps, is that a lot of men aren’t so much afraid of being accused of anything as they are they are angry that #MeToo ever happened. They’re angry that they’ve been made to think about their behavior, made to interrogate power dynamics they always took for granted, and they are punishing women for it by refusing to interact with them."

I love this. Men definitely ARE afraid of being accused of anything because they CAN be accused at the whim of a woman at their workplace. God forbid she's having a bad day and decides she'll take it out on him. It's so obvious, if there's a remote possibility that something could crumble your whole life, you avoid that shit!

And who the fuck would be angry about punishing men that ACTUALLY sexually harass women? As is groping, stalking, repeatedly speaking about sexual things with them, etc? Most men were raised to believe that this stuff is wrong anyways..

Furthermore, the power dynamic is TOTALLY in the favor of women at work. They get special treatment with hiring initiatives, and men have to tiptoe around their feelings like hot lava.

The cost of over-interacting with women at work is just too high to be worth the risk 99% of the time.

RedPilledLife · 2019-08-31T09:57:44+00:00

Feminist garbage

Flexit4Brexit · 2019-08-31T17:50:47+00:00

I met a dominatrix who specialises in closing office doors. Apparently, it's terrifying.

secant128 · 2019-09-01T08:12:20+00:00

John the other did a great video on this btw.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr40CJfN-uo

tamb2 · 2019-09-05T20:16:59+00:00

Burn it all down.

matematika123456 · 2019-09-13T12:42:52+00:00

This is feminist bullshit, but her father must be a God damn Chad. Look at that jaw.

Title	"Men Now Avoid Women at Work – Another Sign We're Being Punished for #MeToo" - Gaurdian News Preventatively Closes Comment Section After Posting Article!
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