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A Interesting Complication

November 20, 2017

As there have been a number of serious posts recently, I wanted to take it back a notch and have a discussion on watches. Watches, in my opinion, should definitely be a part of one's style, and additionally can be a display of high value (or low value, if done incorrectly).

Plus they can be damn interesting. Check out this 3d Tourbillion - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go8woPGOggg (and instructions - https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1249221 ), as well as the most complicated watch in the world - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubHre0yMH_c

I was at a formal event recently and I was checking everyone out (side note - I have learned to pay more attention to shoes based on this post - http://theredpillroom.blogspot.com/2012/05/female-social-matrix-introduction.html), and I noticed that out of all the guys, nobody had on any fancy watches (the ladies were diamond'd out). It was fairly interesting given that typically for men, we have two pieces of jewelry. Our wedding band, and a watch. One dude out of about two hundred had on a necklace, so he was a anomaly.

Recently also I was in NYC for a board meeting, and I noticed the men's watches - it was a sea of Rolex. Rolex Rolex Rolex. You'd think that the Swiss had invaded. And they were all Rolex Submariners. All of them, to a one. No Day-Date, no Explorer, no GMT... just Submariners.

Anyway, watches tie into your personal brand. What you are wearing is being noticed by both men and women. When you wear a watch that matches what you are wearing and is appropriate, that is a demonstrator of high value.

In general, there are two types of watches, a quartz watch (of which 97% of all watches produced in a year are quartz, 1.2 billion watches of 1.3 billion total), and then the rest are automatic/mechanical watches. There are other types, such as the spring drive by Seiko in their Grand Seiko line, as well as HAQ (high accuracy quartz, good for -+5/10 sec per year!), but generally let's stick to these.

Recently I decided to get a dress watch for formal occasions. Simple is what you should strive for when you pick out a dress watch - no complications, automatic, can be made of a precious metal, thin case, simple and elegant/timeless style. There are plenty of choices.

I would note that there will come a time when EVERY MAN will need to dress his best. Job interview, date, formal event, business event, and so forth.

So my question to you is what are you wearing on your wrist, and how is that tying into your personal brand?








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Title A Interesting Complication
Author SteelSharpensSteel
Upvotes 0
Comments 44
Date November 20, 2017 3:12 AM UTC (5 years ago)
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[–]InChargeManRed Beret2 points3 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

My 2 cents:

I like to wear a good quality nice watch, not too flashy, and definitely not a Rolex etc. My current "dress watch" is this. I do think it is a good accent for a Man's outfit.

I have no issues with spending money on "quality" items, which means better materials, better construction, performance, warranty, etc. This includes sports cars, electronics, etc. What I have a major problem with is spending (wasting) money essentially just to show others that you have the money to spend (burn).

If I see a dude with a $10k watch, I see a fool. What is your fucking purpose? Show people you have money? Great, now everyone knows you are a prime BB contender and you have no problem pissing away your money. It may attract some women, but are they the right kind? Probably not, they just put you in the BB box.

Purses: Same thing goes for women and their dumb-ass purses. No, that purse does not do a better job at being a purse because it has the letter LV on it and it cost $2k. All it tells me is that you are a gold-digger and your husband is a BB pussy. I personally know a guy who bought his wife a $2k purse which she carts around like a trophy at her < $30k a year job. He wasn't getting much pussy before, who wants to guess if things improved after he bought the purse?

Jewelry: If the wife wants some jewelry to accent a nice dress, fine, sign me up, just don't think we're paying 10X because it is some brand. If it looks the same, if it wears the same, it is the same. Wife wanted some nice looking diamond-type earnings, I got her a top quality CZ stone set in platinum. They look great, do all the same tricks, and cost way less. Also, these days there are lab created diamonds and Moissanite, which do a better job at being sparkly and cost less. So, who the fuck are you fooling to spend more money on something with imperfections just because some commercial told you that it is only real love if a 10 year old in Africa dug it out of the ground for you.

Cars: I buy good quality cars with good features. I don't spend extra because I need to show off. Just like buying anything, figure out the features you want, evaluate your options, pick the one that has the features you want at the lowest cost. I'll pay $80k for a sports car, because I know the cost goes into the better materials and performance, which is why I want that car. I won't spend $80k for a sedan that does literally nothing better than a $40k sedan.

I believe that a good woman will appreciate a man who is in control of his finances, and that includes a guy who can show leadership by not wasting money on baubles. I guarantee that spending (wasting) money on premium brands is not going to get her wet, even if she puts out a bit after you buy her that LV purse, in the long run she will resent that you are our consumerism society's doormat.

[–]Rian_StoneMod / Red Beret2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

All it tells me is that you are a gold-digger and your husband is a BB pussy.

Ooh, that hits me right in the feels!

[–]InChargeManRed Beret1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Don't tell me your wife has a $2k purse... Literally don't tell me, they say never meet your heroes :)

[–]Rian_StoneMod / Red Beret1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

She used her severance package at her old career to get one. You can take solace in that I never paid for it.

Everyone has their kryptonite. Thats a decent one to have, all things considered

[–]InChargeManRed Beret1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I never paid for it

Ok, we'll give you half credit :)

[–]Rian_StoneMod / Red Beret1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Having said that, I can spot a fake from 50 yards away.

[–]InChargeManRed Beret1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol, are you the purse whisperer?

[–]Rian_StoneMod / Red Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Jeopardy question level curiosity in all things.

[–]snatch_haggis1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thumbs up for Citizen, I forgot to mention them along with Hammy, Orient and Seiko on my list of respectable watches that aren't $5K. If you hang out in watch forums there are a ton of others that are well made and not overpriced. I'd personally rather have 4 nice watches over a single $5000 one.

[–]auto-xkcd371 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

dumb ass-purses

Bleep-bloop, I'm a bot. This comment was inspired by xkcd#37

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMod / Red Beret[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Forget purses, I know someone who bought a convertible for his wife "so that she won't go out and get a boyfriend."

In my head, I was like, dude, maybe you need to get down to sub-15% body fat first... You can't spit red-pill truths all the time though.

[–]InChargeManRed Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

When the guy told me he was going to buy his wife a $2k purse, I was like "Yeah, that should get her to have more sex with you." Of course being sarcastic. He answered "Yeah, that's my hope." Sigh...

[–]drty_prRed Beret1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You can't spit red-pill truths all the time though

Every man know in his heart of hearts that RP is truth. Nothing wrong with saying "you could have saved that 60 grand and lost some weight instead tubby". He knows this too. The only reason he wants to buy the car is because it's easier than putting in the work.

[–]InChargeManRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I find it interesting that people will spend tens of thousands of dollars to have procedures to reduce their body fat when they can literally get better results by basically doing nothing but reducing their food intake. The new "cool sculpting" where they freeze your fat takes months for the fat to actually disappear, and you need multiple sessions to have noticeable effects, which are really marginal at best, maybe you lose 5 lb of fat if you are lucky.

r/theydidthemath can work on this, but if you count the incremental cost of excess calories, that extra burger probably costs over $100.

[–]SteelToeShitKickerRed Beret1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I wear a castle clock on my wrist. Yeah, kind of heavy, and the weight on a chain sometimes gets in the way, but it's always a conversation starter. In a pinch, the weight and chain makes a great melee weapon.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I like the chain. Also use it on a date.

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMod / Red Beret[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's quite sharp! I like it.

[–]WesternhagenWinner1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Don't see the point of a watch now that I carry a phone everywhere.

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMod / Red Beret[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

For many years, neither did I. It was only recently (and actually inspired by the sidebar, under the Style guide) that I took a interest in watches.

Women pick up on shoes, I'm sure they pick up on watches. But I suspect it's not the brand, as I've seen a few comments on watch forums where women misidentify a watch - but rather quality, style, and matching.

[–]Rian_StoneMod / Red Beret1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I have 2 Omegas at home. I never wear them. Too heavy when typing. I get the leather straps as more formal than metal, I do like the metal as an accessory though, like a belt buckle

Though when I go Tshirt and jeans I sometimes like to put one on. kind of winking at the audience (I could dress nicer, but don't)

Though I haven't done that in a while either.

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMod / Red Beret[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Speedmaster Moonwatch? Those have quite the history on them. I'm considering getting one next year - I think they're still certified for NASA.

[–]Rian_StoneMod / Red Beret1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Seamasters, seemed fitting. I also have a Rado, ceramic, though I barely wear that one either.

I do like the military history of the things, used to be fond of Movado too, but I have fallen out... Just too effeminate

[–]TaipanshimshonRed Beret0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

was looking at a Patek for a while.

then realized I have a phone that tells me what it time it is.

[–]Rian_StoneMod / Red Beret1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Oh, I hate the self winders, they fall out of synch too easy.

I wear them for the same reason I wear any accessory, to put together an outfit. The time is the last of my worries in a watch

[–]TaipanshimshonRed Beret0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

IMO accessories should either be accessories or functional. I'd rather wear a bracelet

[–]Rian_StoneMod / Red Beret1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'll have to look into it. Never seen a bracelet guide yet that didn't involve sucking his dick in appreciation afterwards.

May be time to revise that opinion

[–]TaipanshimshonRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

bracelet guide

I dont even know what that is.

[–]TaipanshimshonRed Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I do not wear a watch.

because I know what time it is on my phone and the many other time telling devices around me.

Now, if we were talking Jewelry thats a different conversation. But you mean time piece don't you?


Don't buy the BMW because everyone has one. Drive what you want to drive because it makes you happy and fits your life.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

My main watch is a Tag because racing and stuff.

Backup is the Sub

Back to the backup is iPhone

My kids wear fit bits.

[–]DanceMonkeeDanceRed Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Monaco? Steve McQueen is the only style guide you need.

[–]Marcus_Aurtrillius1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

My watch game has been on point since Jr HS. My grandfather had an ironclad rule that every man needed a quality timepiece, and that stuck with me at an early age.

However, nowadays I'm on the Smart Watch train. I can track my activity, calories burned, steps, etc. Can screen texts and phone calls. I really don't see myself going back.

Special occasions maybe. Like a wedding or black tie event. I'll probably break out the nice wrist wear for that. But for daily use, I'll stick to the Smart Watch.

[–]snatch_haggis0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There are quite a few "hybrids" now that are smart watches with real movements, including some Swiss. Not as many bells and whistles as Samsung / Apple / etc but not too bad.

[–]sars4451 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have 6 or 7 Fossil watches.. different color bands to match different outfits.. black, dark brown, tan, navy, olive green, and a few regular metal finish ones. Each of them not much more than 100$. All of them work for casual and dress.

You really don't have to spend much on watches to display good style/high value. Just match them to your outfit (I shoot for generally matching to shoes/belt). It's the same idea as clothes.. Much more important to wear clothes that FIT WELL than to wear expensive brands.

[–]snatch_haggis1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A watch is often the only piece of jewelry a man wears. A nice watch shows high value and attention to detail, in my opinion.

If you're in a room full of execs and you're in a suit, I guarantee someone is checking your watch and shoes, two details a lot of people miss.

Rolexes and in particular subs are kind of basic and obvious in my opinion. Speedmaster, Daytona, Seamaster are a good route on the higher-priced tier.

Anyone who knows watches will be reasonably impressed with a Hamilton, Orient Ray or a Seiko diver, so you don't have to throw a couple of grand down. Invicta, to me anyway, says watch noob, and they don't last long (I've had three and they fell apart within a year).

If you're working an outdoor job or work with your hands, obviously you don't wear a dress watch. A Victorinox or something else with a compass is still pretty cool.

And yeah, definitely /r/watches all the way.

[–]amalgamator1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I want to get a Rolex and a AP Royal Oak

Cliche, but that what I want


As one rolls in higher cicles, a watch is a statement of success, too bad it’s to signal other men mostly...

[–]screechhaterRed Beret1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Does a “G Spot” count as a watch ?

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMod / Red Beret[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Depends on the brand. Personally I'm fond of redheads myself.

[–]downvotesanimals4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The fuck... if you like watches, wear one. If not, don't.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes...because we all know attraction is based off of what you like and don't like...

[–]thunderbeyond0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agree. I don't like watches - to me they are accessories rather than tools. I'm not going to wear one because it's what everyone else does. If you want to wear one, go ahead.

Stay true to your own style.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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