Are All Women Like This?

April 22, 2019

I made a post several weeks back about a relationship I was in. I thought I had swallowed the red pill only to find out I had rationalized my behaviors as being red pilled. The chick was a HB/9, ending a marriage she had gotten into at 18(now 23), and was long distance. I know all of you are jumping to blast me for being a pussy ass beta male who didn't digest the red pill but I already got that on the last post so I'm here for different reasons. I realize how many fuck ups I made and I’m committing to doing the learning now.

It was the first relationship I have had. In the past I've had sex with two women and both times I had anxiety induced ED. When we would talk and have phone sex I never had the problems, we connected extremely well and agreed on a lot of unorthodox opinions. I had convinced myself of so many things I didn't believe in like soul mates and all that bull shit. Honestly this part is a warning to anyone who hasn't fully digested the red pill. Watch the fuck out for how your emotions can convince you of so much bull shit.

I honestly think I did a good job being alpha at the beginning aside from it being long distance. She was telling me I was hottest guy on the planet, sending me gifts and blowing up my phone constantly. I saw this relationship as an opportunity to learn red pill dynamics from a distance, thinking this would keep my emotions out of it. WRONG. I had read RM, game, mystery method and a couple others before starting it. I know, I know, I disregarded half the shit in RM but that was part of me learning so I can't say I regret all of this.

She mentioned a guy from her past who I now know made her an alpha widow. She told me how much she hated him. He had cheated on her publicly in high school, kicked her out his car 45 mins from home and made her find her way back and all other shit. He only came up once in a blue moon so I didn't read much into it at the time. However, days before I had a complete loss of frame I remember her mentioning him. Saying it was the first time she'd seen his IG in a long time. After we had our big fight because I lost frame completely, I noticed him follow her on IG and she followed him back.

Next thing I know she is completely done with me. It shocked me. I got real beta and insecure and told her I knew she was talking to him. She said he hadn't even reached out to her which I'm sure was a lie. Fast forward two and a half weeks, I had been in no contact(still trying to gerry rig this oneitis) with her and she reaches out to me. She mention she'd hung out with him a couple times and that it was only as friends and that she realized he was actually a "good guy now." I knew this was a lie when she told me. In a weird way I felt relieved when she said it. It was like a release from oneitis somehow as much as I had wanted to make things work.

I really wanted you guys opinion on this idea of women lying. This girl in particular had more red flags than I can count and I know I should have steered clear. Her mother and her hated each other, she admittedly had been kinda slutty in high school, she was married when we started and I could go on. She had started talking about marriage with me like a month into us talking and while her divorce was going on she told she had lied about that to keep me from leaving her. She later explained she was just feeling that way because she was going through the divorce and didn’t want to think about it and I bought it because after it was over she started talking about marriage again. However this was a lie and I know there are other lies I’m struggling to remember.

It’s one of the hardest things for me to swallow in the red pill. I'm posting in Married Red Pill because I would like to know how you guys deal with this in an LTR or marriage. I should have known better than to believe anything this woman said. After all, she lied to her husband before she started the divorce and told him I was just a friend. Who knows what else she lied about. Are all women manipulative liars to this degree or she just an awful LTR candidate? Do you just accept that your wife or LTR is probably lying to you about a lot of things? and if so how do you deal with this in your head?

It's so hard for me to believe all women are just lying constantly and have no moral compass. I'm not marriage oriented per say but I enjoy having more than a shallow relationship with a woman. I even went out to bars this past weekend. It was my first time really implementing game strategies and I made out with a couple of chicks and got a number but it's hard to explain but I felt completely disassociated from the entire experience. Is this some deep rooted blue pill shit I have to break through or is it possible to be red pill in a LTR with a great woman, who isn't bullshitting you and you feel a genuine connection to? And does it just mean I have a problem if I prefer that to casual sex?

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Title Are All Women Like This?
Author Keefe9973
Upvotes 13
Comments 39
Date April 22, 2019 8:28 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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[–]itiswr1ttenRed Beret25 points26 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Short answer: yes they are. Alpha is not a noun, and relationships are maintained on the nonverbal so don't think you can be Phone Alpha

Medium answer: she is 23 out of a 5 year marriage. She doesn't know shit about shit outside that guy. You are also in a similar boat, and don't think reading words on the internet will change that. You are 1 yard away from the virgin line on the sexual football field.

However, presented with a known quantity of tingle generation ("The Ex That Got Away") versus you, long distance nobody motherfucker....what is she going to do?

This alpha widow character is totally irresistible in her vulnerable state, and you are just the emotional release valve. Be honest with yourself - you're way lower value than this guy.

So yeah, they're all like that, but you sound like a distant second. A titanically distant second.

Responding to your questions, an LTR or wife usually won't lie or cheat unless you are an unattractive chump. Women cheat because your attention stops making them FFEEELLLL sexy.

This could be because you became a big fat faggot, and it could also be because you stopped seducing her and relied on your past investment to get you what you want in the present. Surprise, briffault's law always applies.

There's a reason we tell you to spin plates before even vaguely considering an LTR, and why the LTR needs aggressive vetting before marriage (most will still say don't get married). It's because without experience what you think is "hb9 bro" is maybe a 6, her telling you how hot you are is totally amazing thank you so much mommy, and why your idea of quality exploded in your face.

Now get over it. This was all your fault. Be better next time, and not for some random ghost miles away. Bitch.

[–]Keefe9973[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks. I'm owning it and committed to mastering all of this material now

[–]johneyapocalypseThe one that says "Bad Motherfucker"13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

HB9 of course.

Probably even a 10 or higher. Super model? Actress? Beautiful heiress?

MRP retards + perfect women = so common it's astounding.

[–]jerrymcguiver9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I may be a retard but my wife is a 1. I'm special kind of retard.

[–]Tbonesupreme2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link


Get 9 more 1's - that counts as fucking a 10.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

My distillation and grand generalization (beware, as there are occasional outliers for better or for worse and mild overlap):

Men have an honor system based on loyalty and time served in regards to truth.

In general , men are honest to those loyal to them and who they have investment in. Hands down. Think of your friends you've known forever or who you have shared life changing moments with.

Think of those others you look up to.

Women have a value based system of perceived worthiness and threat/gain level in regards to truth.

You "earn" truth from them by being a man she deems has a higher SMV than herself if it helps cement your bond to her. If she is happy and satisfied with you , you've earned the truth.

If you're a beta or beneath her, you get what truths you deserve so long as it has a neutral to no impact on her status quo.

You get a complete b.s. fabrication if you are a beta and her self-image or support is on the line.

The truth is also a tool to secure or maintain a high value male. If you are a hvm who is honorable you can expect , under normal circumstances, for her to reflect that.

Now some caveats:

If he's the dark triad alpha zombie, she may lie to him to tell him what she perceives he needs to hear for her to be elevated in his status. The truth in this instance is not as important as she self polices any behavior she thinks he'd dislike and cause problems.

It's the do anything to keep the challenging alpha bad boy.

You could also say:

Men value honesty for honesty's sake.

Women value honesty for VALUE's sake.

We get the LOYALTY we earn. We get the honesty we've earned AND that will keep the bond.

Women have NEEDED to be like this in order to protect themselves. As men we have the luxury of affording what we consider a higher state to our ideals.

[–]Keefe9973[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That made a lot of sense. Thanks

[–]SBIIIRed Fucking Commando5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Wait a minute.. a wall of text and in the middle, you say the only time you can get it up is when you have phone sex?

What in the actual fuck?

I'm fucking serious. What the fuck ?

[–]johneyapocalypseThe one that says "Bad Motherfucker"2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link


It's the bomb.

[–]BobbyPeruRed Beret5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

First, you admitted that you vetted horribly. So, I’m not sure why you’re surprised at the outcome. Second, you are a pussy because you have no frame or confidence. The only way to get frame is to practice.

Third, In answer to your question about are all women like that.... yes, but think of it as a continuum. On one end of the spectrum is the whores like the one who just dumped you. You already knew her character when she was cheating on her husband, so nobody to blame but you. On the other end is the women who stay loyal and faithful almost always. These are the women that will actually break up with you when they realize they are with a pussy with no frame instead of cheating first. They almost never cheat if they are in a good relationship, but given the perfect cocktail of some alcohol, a real Chad, almost zero chance of getting caught, in ovulation... etc it’s still a slight possibility.

Swallow that pill. You will probably be in the anger phase a while, and that will come and go... but, the rabbit hole runs deep Alice, so you will learn more about the fallacies of your brainwashing on women as time goes on, so that anger can come back. For example, just when you think you’ve accepted the nature of women, you may run into an old buddy who she finds very attractive. Then, you catch her showing him cleavage angles he can see but you can’t because she angles it perfectly. That type of shit will piss you off, but you just have to accept it as an AWALT and be ok. Given that same example, if you are becoming a high quality man, you will have women doing that type of shit for you right in front of their boyfriend or husband.

That was a random example, but the point is... you shouldn’t hate a cat because it doesn’t act like a dog.

[–]Keefe9973[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you. Frame is what I'm focusing on in the side bar because I realized I wasn't grasping it in the slightest.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why are you spending so much of your time with an imaginary women? Do you live on some island where real pussy doesnt walk past you throughout the day?

[–]justpickanyusernameRed Beret4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Are women capable of this? Yes. Are all women like this? No.

You my friend have zero confidence. That's your problem just by glancing at your post history. Confidence is found in many places. I personally find it most abundant under a heavy bar. Get to the gym faggot.

Get fit and then you won't have time for a woman like this because there are many others out there that are far better.

Oh, and if you have this haircut, it has been known to cause ED as pointed out by SBIII here.

[–]Keefe9973[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

I agree with the confidence issue. I don't get it though. I had social anxiety throughout high school and no confidence. It's like its carried over. I am 6'0 190 lbs and am building a personal training business. I have a job as a realtor and I don't have that shitty haircut lol. I don't feel like I'm any of these things though. How did you develop that inner confidence?

[–]SorcererKingMod / Red Beret2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Might be imposter syndrome. Fake it until you make it and it will go away.

[–]RedPillCoach2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

How did you develop that inner confidence?

All we have is fake it till you make it. Become more competent and your confidence will go up accordingly. Learn to ignore the pic, pic, pic, dig, dig, dig of the woman you are currently schlogging because they work overtime to chip away at your confidence. I think it is harder to build confidence in a relationship than alone. That is why we say MRP is Red Pill on Hard Mode. Women are rebellious and will NOT help you become a stronger man. She will oppose you the entire distance and when you show a glimmer of healthy masculinity she will attempt to shame you. It sounds depressing but it is what it is.

[–]Keefe9973[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you

[–]JCX_Pulse1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You’re listing stats that mean nothing. 6’ 190 can come in a variety of shapes.

You’re a realtor...and? Who cares. Obviously you believe that to be a big deal.

No one can tell you why you have confidence issues. Have you read NMMNG? Do you rely on extern validation to gain confidence in yourself? What do you do that you’re proud of? What do you do that makes you a high value male?

The simple notion of asking someone else to explain why you have no confidence is a big red flag. Look within to find your answers.

[–]Keefe9973[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Got it

[–]RedPillCoach2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Who knows what else she lied about.

Thinking like that is circling the drain.

It's so hard for me to believe all women are just lying constantly and have no moral compass.

Their moral compass is whatever make them feel good at the time is "good" and whatever makes them feel bad at the time is "bad."

is it possible to be red pill in a LTR with a great woman


who isn't bullshitting you


and you feel a genuine connection to?

That's up to you. However, if you have this deep "connection" and minimal frame, then she will use it against you to torment and manipulate you endlessly. The shit tests will come often and will never end.

And does it just mean I have a problem if I prefer that to casual sex?

If you prefer the mommy connection to casual sex then yes, I would say you have a problem. If you think there is a woman out there who you can "give" yourself to and relax for the rest of your life....I would say you have a real problem.

[–]Keefe9973[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Thanks. The past few days I've really reflected on how pathetic my frame was. Didn't even realize at the time. It's not about relaxing with a partner or her being my mommy. I'm someone with a lot of interests who is entrepreneurial. What I mean by preferring an LTR/Wife is I want kids and I want a family but I want to focus on my goals outside of chasing casual sex. Is that still blue pill shit?

[–]RedPillCoach1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That is not Blue Pill. That is the mythical Family Alpha. The problem is that in the game of thrones, you either win or you die. All of them today are Denarios fucking Stormborn. They ride fire breathing dragons and are protected by vagina worshipping, cockless soldiers with big wooden sticks.

That was some serious prose for you right there.

[–]Keefe9973[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lmao thanks man!

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

is it possible to be red pill in a LTR with a great woman, who isn't bullshitting you and you feel a genuine connection to

Sure, but it's not the connection you've been conditioned for. It's not open yourself up and share all your vulnerabilities with her. Look up Captain and First Officer model.... that creates the connection once you are aligned with a mission in life. Women are always bullshitting you. They bullshit themselves. There is no logic or rationality to them. Once you accept this and start understanding how they think, the behavior becomes predictable.

[–]Keefe9973[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

thank you

[–]WolfofAllStreetz1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

how is this guy not banned this is like the 4th post on this?

[–]SorcererKingMod / Red Beret2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Ever watch one of those videos where someone puts tape on a cats paws? Yeah, it's like that.

[–]PersaeusRed Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

videos where someone puts tape on a cats paws

to the interwebs ..... lmao. i'm not trying it though, cat's have good memory and are naturally vindictive

[–]WolfofAllStreetz1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

well cats are bipolar sooo

[–]zerosapte0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Is there such a thing?

[–]SorcererKingMod / Red Beret1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You know you shouldn't laugh, but it's just too damn funny.

[–]zerosapte0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I had way more fun than it's even fair.

[–]PersaeusRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link


[–]Rogue684861 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The disassociation is cognitive dissonance. You're acting like someone else and its messing with your head. I am talking about you going out to meet real people. The key is to keep doing that until it feels more real. Which can take months and years. And is worth it and no going back from.

If you read RM, this is an imaginary relationship. You need to date more chicks. You've got her on a pedestal which she hasn't earned. Shes seeking validation wherever she can get it. Stick to women In close proximity.

[–]Keefe9973[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Thank you. You're right about the pedestal part. I didn't even realize until it was over I was doing it. I learned a ton from this experience. My SMV is very low currently because I dropped my social circle who were all pot heads wasting my time and my money isn't right yet. My intention when starting the relationship was an opportunity to focus on myself while trying to learn things from a distance. The funny thing is when I was acting like this her attraction was through the roof and I just didn't know what to expect when emotions got involved.

[–]Rogue684860 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The fact you can number close says you have some game. Continue going out and doing that. I did that for months solo - hence the alter ego Rogue. Having a wing can be fun although not necessary imo.

You've got to work on your confidence. Lifting is a game changer. And you've got to read the side bar. Its changing my mindset.

Per Rationale Male, women are crazy. This path will help make sense of the crazy.

Good job for putting yourself out there. Keep it up.

I'm headed to the gym. I recommend you consider the same.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I dont care about accessories.

[–]BluBlac590 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Any man that helps a woman leave another man is not red pill. You have to realize that if you do this its only temporary because she cant do it alone. The guys that do this are not very bright and cannot be called men. These are the kind of men that rescue hoping to be called real men or rewarded with white knight feelings. Kind sucks when she moved on isn't it ? That was part of her plan. Sp if you get in this situation and you help a woman leave another man and worse steal his kids or property you are a real piece of shit and deserve whatever you get. And you're stupid.

[–]Bedtimeshine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She. Is. Not. A. Fucking. 9.

Not even close.

9s walk the Victoria’s Secret catwalk... you’ve never met a 9 OP.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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