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If the United states has a civil war what authority should be obeyed?

November 1, 2022

From reading world history war between nations and civil war inside nations is clearly a messy business. Right now the war in Ukraine is the easiest to point toward for a situation where authority could be questioned. Since if you are a citizen of Ukraine, but your town gets taken over by Russia and your nation orders you to fight them even though you are under occupation.

It brings the question of what authority should the Christian obey. As at what point does the new authority become the legit one the Christian should obey? In this case would you be sinning by following the orders of the nation you are a citizen of, by rebelling against the new authority that has occupied your area?

That might sound like a simple question until I get to why I am asking this civil war question. I do not think if the United States has a civil war it will be clear who the legitimate government is.

Because of Qanon. I am not joking about this. There are Trump supporters that actually think the military is about to suddenly jail democrats and non-supporting republicans. And there are DEMOCRATS yes democrats who fear that Qanon is so deeply embedded within "MEGA republicans" that the military will actually do what Qanon promised to put Trump back into power. I actually hear more from democrats now about how Trump literally tried a military coup and is somehow plotting to do another military coup again by using Qanon signals at rally's.

So lets say it's 2024. Trump is arrested and in jail waiting for trial while running for election. China invades Taiwan and because of high tensions they sink a US warship nearby. Joe Biden does very little when Military generals are practically screaming at him so they decide to arrest him and a bunch of democrats in congress for treason. Put them in military tribunals and then hang them on live TV for acting as agents for mainland China. And then declare Trump the winner of the 2024 election to make him head of state.

Other parts of the military rebel against the coup along with democratic states breaking off from a federal government now ruled by Trump. That as the democrats fear becomes a dictator obsessed with punishing whoever is not politically on his side.

So the Democrats have a parallel government they claim is also the United States federal government and claim that Trump along with the military has a fake government or whatever to deleigtmize their position.

The actual question is that enough chaos happens where no one knows who the legit government authority is. And that two or more government body's claim authority where you live where at any moment actual control over your home might flop between two different opposing authority's. So who is the Christian supposed to obey?

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Title If the United states has a civil war what authority should be obeyed?
Author canofdeath007
Upvotes 2
Comments 8
Date November 1, 2022 2:21 PM UTC (3 weeks ago)
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[–]rocknrollchuck 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You would obey whichever authority is holding the power in your area at that time. The question is this: whether the military-seized power or the Democrats are in control at that moment, or if it flip-flops, what difference will it make in the way you live your day to day life?

As a Christian, if they are telling you to do something ungodly then Acts 5:29 takes precedence: "Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men."

In short, Romans 12:18 says, "If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men" so do your best to obey whoever is in control, while not disobeying what God has commanded.

[–]canofdeath007[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Dude if a civil war happens it's gonna change how everyone lives their life. Frankly I hope to get out if things come down to such a outcome.

On the other hand I get your point about what a Christians job is here. As much as we might dislike democrats or Trump or whoever that we have to put it aside. Because our duty to our Lord thy God comes first.

[–]rocknrollchuck 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Amen to that. Remember, the second to last verse of Paul's letter to the Philippians says, "All the saints salute you, chiefly they that are of Caesar's household." If those saints had been discovered, they would have been told to burn incense to their "god" Caesar or be executed. The stakes were quite a bit higher for them than what we currently face.

Frankly I hope to get out if things come down to such a outcome.

Nobody wants to be in a situation like that, but remember this: if you spend your life focusing on what could happen instead of doing what the Lord has called you to do for him, then you will be like the man with the one talent who hid it in the ground:

Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed: And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine. His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed: Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury. Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents. For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

What is your Mission?

[–]Proverbs_31_2-3 -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Pick a side and stick with it, I guess. If the side you want isn't where you are, move.

Also read 2 Samuel chapters 2-5, where a similar situation happened in Judah & Israel. Basically a civil war and war of succession. Certain people tried harder than others to preserve the life of people on the other side since they were still all "brothers". They also tried a trial by combat to decide who would win (similar to the David/Goliath story) but all the warriors on the Israel and Judah side died so it was non-conclusive.

[–]ReddJive 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

You’re fear mongering. The US military doesn’t do this.

[–]canofdeath007[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Um have you not seen the last few years. People are going bananas over politics and bringing up all this stuff. I never thought I'd hear a bunch of democrats talking like that alex jones guy, but now in their own ways they do.

And the whole civil war talk thing has become more common in church. People think something messed up is gonna happen because of how heated elections have become.

[–]ReddJive 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You know the media is messing with you, right? Creating a "this side vs. that side" situation because when emotions run high so do the ratings. And, like any narcissistic relationship, it only ends when you stop giving the narcissist your attention.

Partisan politics is like that. Most people think the US will fall like Rome did but in reality it will be more like Athens. In fact it will be exactly like Athens did.

If a church is more concerned with the partisan politics they have lost their purpose. God isn't concerned with what form of government we live under. As long as we serve His Kingdom. So the answer to your thesis question is all of them.

That said it then comes down to each individual and how they reconcile it. For instance many Christians could rationalize living in the Confederate States during the Civil War or being a Torry in Revolution Era America. Were they right? Were they wrong?

IMO there is nothing new here. Its American politics. History shows this. Reading Thoreau's work Civil Disobedience might shed some light. To quote Thoreau:

Unjust laws exist: shall we be content to obey them, or shall we endeavor to amend them and obey them until we have succeeded, or shall we transgress at once?(p.p.184)

Unfortunately, we have reached an impasse to this noble stance.

[–]Suit_Feeling -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A underage 55 Republican will be our President in 2024 so there will not be a Civil war

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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