Is second chance theology wrong about possible salvation for the dead?

April 6, 2020
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The basic core idea around this is that a person who dies goes to Sheol/Hades not hell where they suffer according to what they had done. Then at some point they get one last chance to repent before the great judgement where lack of repentance does mean being thrown into the lake of fire/Hell. Link where I read this theology from: http://www2.biglobe.ne.jp/~remnant/hades.htm

Let me start off by saying right now I have no firm position for or against this. I did have a strong position against the idea a person who died in this life without Christ had any chance of avoiding the lake of fire. And even debated a Jehovah Witness on the subject of hell and how it's different from Sheol (the grave) because they insisted no human beings go to hell.

Before going on I must be transparent. Hell bother's me a whole lot. It's not a joke to me. I've had nightmares about going there. If you want to see me actually cry talk about souls going to hell and getting tormented for endless trillions of years. My judgement is no doubt clouded by a desire for mercy and hope that a new chance to make the right choice exist.

In Matthew 12:30-32 the bible speaks of not being forgiven in this age or the one to come if you commit this sin. What if the reason it's worded this way is because people normally do get a second chance to repent of their sins after the first death?

I also do feel kind of skeptical because this theology sounds too good to be true. It would make explaining the gospel much easier for me and take away the atheist talking point about how God sends billions of people to hell just because they never heard of Jesus. It's just in my own experience things worthwhile are hard and aren't merciful to failure. I'm not going to say more than that as it's not my intent to attack what other's believe and hopefully those wiser than I know if this theology is mistaken or not.

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Title Is second chance theology wrong about possible salvation for the dead?
Author Torn4_025
Upvotes 4
Comments 4
Date April 6, 2020 8:17 AM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]UpTanks1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not a theologian but what gives me comfort on these kind of questions is this clip about pain and this clip about the topic you mentioned specifically.

On fear however, fear of God is the beginning of wisdom yes. But if this fear is a stumbling block for you, ironically, this fear of hell is from hell. I was there, and often revisit. The best advice I got was to be like Peter on the water. He showed huge faith, probably more than most of us here, but he still sank and Jesus picked him back up! Faith, hope and love. You clearly have love, in fact you have the same love Jesus has for everyone - especially the damned.

But don't carry that insane burden, only God can handle it.

My advice for you (however you want to take it), is to channel this love into evangelism. Now that doesn't necessarily mean what you're thinking it means. Debating atheists and going on television etc. Be faithful with little, then you will be given much. Build up your theological knowledge, conversation and public speaking skills and devote yourself to the pursuit of righteousness. Focus on those God has already placed around you, have intentional conversations in love and good humour. Not berating people and yelling at them in frustration at their unbelief.

Then God will give you more responsibility, according to His will. Remembering that God's will for your life isn't a specific pathway that you need to find and not deviate from, rather, it is an optional quest with stops and turns that which only faith and reliance on God will get you through.

All this aside, Paul Scanlon often says: there are going to be people in heaven that we were not expecting to see. I love that saying, it keeps us humble, open minded about faith and not like the pharisees - because none of us know everything.

[–]sarmstro19681 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting question & thanks for sharing the link. Your statement ' Hell bother's me a whole lot. ' I agree with. However, I think of this way... The Bible says God's mercy endures forever so consider this... What if being in Hell is actually merciful compared to what Heaven would be, for a sinful person?

For example a fish may desire to be on land, to drive, to shop or to play video games. But for a fish to do that would be deadly since it's not acclimated to breathe on the land. A sinful person may want to go to Heaven but would find God's presence to overwhelming & more painful than Hell.

So what comforts me is even if there are variations in this belief (I think there are good reasons to believe Sheol, Hell, Hades are different places), whatever God does, it will be ultimately fair, good & even merciful.

I do not believe any of us will question His judgement at judgement day because He knows all & will judge more completely, fairly & mercifully than any of us could have ever imagined.

[–]michaelmaz1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

At the Great White Throne judgment the “dead” are brought forth out of hell and are eternally judged for their sins. I don’t see how they really have a chance for salvation at that point

I know it’s painful to think about loved ones who have died who are in eternal torment for not believing on Christ for their sins. The time for salvation is now, don’t delay it.

Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

[–]Torn4_025[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have realized with God's help that salvation for the dead isn't true. If this was the case Jesus would have talked about it. The warnings given about perishing and ending up in the darkness are there because it's too late then.

When posting this my heart was in a different place and while I cared about other people the truth is my own fear of going to hell drove me to wonder. By God's wonderful grace my fear has been replaced by peace. That's not to say I don't care about other people, but I know God is love and going against his design is worse than any of us can picture or explain.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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