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29 semi virgin. Lost and frustrated

March 17, 2018
14 upvotes

Been on TRP for 3 years after a oneitis. Know all the theory to death. Saw an escort a couple times after that.

Moved to new city a year ago (I have SMV here). Got a half decent job. Made a couple friends. Started taking lifting seriously. Hit a long standing lifting PR goal last night, was pretty proud of myself. Diet, exercise, vitamins, on point. Got/restarted a few hobbies.

Mindset regarding women is dead though.

Don't know how to tackle it. Rereading the power of now which is helping me drop anxiety but not changing my mindset regarding women.

Pretty fucking frustrated now. I don't know what I'm supposed to anymore.

I don't see the point in approaching a woman or why one would have interest in me. Not sure where I'm supposed to meet them. How do I build this belief realistically? This is the last and biggest step I've been stuck at since even before TRP.

Would appreciate any advice.

Edit: most valuable experience I've had is regular flirting with my postwall hb4 boss since starting my job. Genuinely attracted to her and feel incredible when talking to her.

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Title 29 semi virgin. Lost and frustrated
Author empatheticapathetic
Upvotes 14
Comments 68
Date March 17, 2018 1:48 PM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit /r/askTRP
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[–]WISE_TURD38 points39 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

If you're going to flirt with hb4's, make it someone other than your boss. Like anyone else.

[–]empatheticapathetic[S] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I've fantasised about fucking her a lot for the past year. She's literally waiting for me to make a move, i'm surprised she hasn't just moved on. I might still do it if i don't manage to figure anything else out. Life seems pretty meaningless otherwise.

[–]WISE_TURD21 points22 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Uhhhh how much do you like this job? How fucked will your smv be when you're unemployed?

The scarcity is strong within you.

I don't think you realize how close to the edge of being totally fucked you are. Do. Not. Fuck. Your. Boss.

At best, you get fired. Worse yet you get fired and have a black eye on your professional reputation. At worst case she "metoo's" you and ruins your personal reputation.

I suggest you follow the sidebar and start talking to other women. Your career (and in a sense, life) depends on it.

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST YOU ADMITTED SHE'S A HB4. DON'T FUCK YOUR BOSS EVEN AT HB9.

[–]W_O_M_B_A_T5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

OP is so scared shitless of actually approaching other women that he'll blow up his job to avoid it. He thinks destroying his job is the fulfillment of his dreams. Hits him right in the feels.

[–]empatheticapathetic[S] -4 points-3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't give a fuck about any of it anymore tbh. It's all irrelevant at this point.

Job is cool but whatever it's not a big deal. I can get another if necessary.

I don't see or know any other women as a possibility. I haven't fucked her because of all the reasons you said but i haven't met anyone else to negate her in a year. I'd rather explore this part of my life if i've finally got a shot to do so. But i've asked instead via this post if i can sort myself outside of pursuing this option.

[–]W_O_M_B_A_T1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

but i haven't met anyone else to negate her in a year

You've purposely avoided any opportunities and have purposely avoided any efforts to approach women for, what, 3 years at least?

[–]empatheticapathetic[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I didn't have any SMV until I moved where I live now a year ago where I am actually in the game. I've met girls via friends, nights out, made all my friends from scratch. There's been one or two girls that have ever been any sort of possibility. Always low SMV but that's fine, that's reality.

[–]3chazthundergut15 points16 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

  1. You are way too thirsty. The way you're sprung like a bear trap on your 4/10 boss is pathetic. Have some self-respect.

  2. Your next step is to practice flirting. Not just with your boss, with every attractive woman (and even the unattractive ones) you see. Practice just talking with them. Being playful and funny, having fun in the moment, being non-needy and self-validating. Just practice hitting on women. Learn how to talk to them.

  3. Invest more energy into interesting hobbies and your circle of friends. These are great ways to widen your net, and gain access to girls who are receptive.

  4. Make some online accounts and go on some dates. You need more experience with chicks.

[–]empatheticapathetic[S] -3 points-2 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

It's been a year of flirting with her. I haven't pursued her despite desperately wanting to. How exactly am i thirsty? This girl is into me, something i've never experienced before. And that makes me pathetic?

I am good at flirting, believe me or not. But it ends there. I've failed to progress beyond there and been dropped or humiliated or failed every single time, so i just stay away. It just seems like a trap and a bad investment. The flirting is fun when the opportunity is presented but that's it.

I play in bands/do yoga/have various friendship groups. I'm usually the one organising stuff because everyone else is apathetic as fuck.

What else other than tinder?

[–]willowhawk7 points8 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

"I am good at flirting, believe me or not. But it ends there. I've failed to progress beyond there and been dropped or humiliated or failed every single time"

Hmmmmmm doesn't quite line up does it.

I'm good at flirting >>> I've failed to progress

You're not good at flirting

[–]empatheticapathetic[S] -1 points0 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I don't aim to beyond flirting anymore is my point. Girls love to flirt as the other commenter here said, doesn't mean they're open to do something about it.

[–]willowhawk3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Sorry but considering you've never been able to fuck a single women in 29 years, your observations and points are useless.

[–]empatheticapathetic[S] -1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for telling me reality is wrong. You know nothing of me, my life, my opportunities, my issues/setbacks. So you can hardly state such an opinion. This entire forum is full of late virgins.

At best you can say "i give up I can't help you".

[–]willowhawk2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I do know somthing about you.

You're a 29 year old "semi-virgin".

If you could actually flirt with girls and have them flirt back you wouldn't be in this situation.

It's would actually be healthier for you to admit maybe you can't flirt with women.

The only reason I can't help is because if I highlight the fact you my be delusional abiut your ability to flirt with women, you then get whiny.

Also I dunno what a late Virgin is but I'm guessing it's basically what you are and that calling all of us it is some strong ass projection

[–]empatheticapathetic[S] -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Lol and you're talking to me about ego? Whatever you say bro.

Surprised you can't decipher what a "'late virgin' at 29" must mean. It's definitely a head scratcher.

[–]willowhawk4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

It's bamboozling that's for sure. Why you're a late Virgin isn't a head scratcher however.

Spoiler: it's cos you're a bitch

[–]empatheticapathetic[S] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Haha thanks for your input. It's definitely been valuable. I'm printing it out as we speak.

Based on this exchange I think i can flirt way better than you ftr.

[–]NoRiskNoRise 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

no offence but women get dopamine from flirting. she might not even have intentions of fucking you. thats why they register on dating apps. for free flirt and compliments without giving sex☺

[–]empatheticapathetic[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah this is my experience.

[–]sign_of_reality4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Do this exercise.

Sit by yourself in a chair, and find a negative belief surrounding women.

Such as: "I am inferior to women."

Feel the feeling that arises from "I am inferior to women". Amplify the feeling as deeply as you can, until it reverberates even within your bones. Go deep into the feeling, make it bigger. Make this last for 2 minutes. If it hurts a bit, that's ok.

Then feel how you would feel, if you believed the opposite belief: "I am equal to all women/ I am just as valuable as any woman". Amplify that feeling, until it reverberates through every cell of your body. Keep feeling it for 2 minutes. Positive beliefs generally result in good feelings, so this may feel very good.

Alternate 3 or 4 times per session, and mark your progress on a sheet of paper in some way. Return twice more to the theme over the course of two weeks.

The belief is likely to shift from you doing this.

Whatever happens, explore the landscape of your "negative" thoughts and feelings, using curiosity rather than condemnation, and through meditation and journaling. Get curious about your inner mind.

And don't beat up on yourself. You'll have advantages that other men don't, from the way you've come up. You'll appreciate things a lot more when they do happen. Good things are in store for you my friend. Stay positive and work on your belief in a higher power - because that is a secret conduit of information and strength that all who tap into are changed forever by.

[–]empatheticapathetic[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Hey thanks for your response.

When i try to do this second idea, i don't get anywhere. I just feel a 'block'. I can't really access the idea, it just feels empty of content or like a locked door.

I'll add this to my morning routine and see if i get anywhere.

work on your belief in a higher power - because that is a secret conduit of information and strength that all who tap into are changed forever by.

I'm not sure what you mean by this

[–]sign_of_reality2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

When i try to do this second idea, i don't get anywhere. I just feel a 'block'. I can't really access the idea, it just feels empty of content or like a locked door.

Right. This is an indicator that the idea, which is fundamentally true, is so far off your radar, - so far from your everyday belief system - that you can't even imagine what it feels like.

This is where will-power and imagination come into play. Put yourself into the shoes of a theoretical version of yourself, entering a world where this was just obviously true, it was just obvious that everyone valued you as much as a woman. What would that feel like? It can take effort to break through into the feeling.

I'm not sure what you mean by [belief in a higher power]

If you're in a situation which pushes you to the limit - such as feeling very sad/desperate after being alone for years - you can call on a higher power. However you conceive of this higher power, whether its God, the universe, Spirit, etc. Working on your relationship to your higher power will really improve things in general, in my experience.

[–]empatheticapathetic[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey thanks again for your response, i appreciate it.

It's hard to imagine but not impossible, i will just focus and do it. Imagine some every day situations where things go a slightly different way. It seems like satire/someone setting me up for humiliation, are my initial thoughts. I'll write it all down over a week anyway.

I honestly don't believe in any sort of higher power but i can see how lending some burden/responsibility towards it can help me feel under less pressure. I'm a lot more open to the idea since getting through PON.

I have a week of late starts to work coming up so i will have a good opportunity to set aside half an hour and do this regularly just before going to lift.

When i make a post asking for advice i usually expect to get 10 comments attacking me and then one or two helpful comments haha.

Thanks and have a nice day :)

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

Reading TRP doesn't equate with results, you have to actually take action. You do see the point in approaching, you're just afraid, which is OK. Just start talking to people without thinking about it, and eventually do the same with women. Even if you want an easier way out, start using tinder.

[–]empatheticapathetic[S] 1 point2 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

I really don't see the point. I can talk to women fine because i'm not pursuing anything other than talking to them.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

If that's really the case why haven't you fucked yet?

[–]empatheticapathetic[S] 0 points1 point  (17 children) | Copy Link

Because i don't see myself as a sexual contender.

Any women i am talking about are just co workers or people like supermarket staff.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

So start talking to other women you're just making excuses for yourself out of irrational fear

[–]empatheticapathetic[S] 0 points1 point  (15 children) | Copy Link

What women and where?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Do you not see women walking around? At the grocery store?

[–]empatheticapathetic[S] -2 points-1 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Haha i am not attractive enough to be opening women in grocery stores without being escorted out. I was reminded of this the other day when the woman walking in front of me failed to hold any of the 4 doors she walked through despite knowing i was behind her.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

What can you read her mind? And btw, the confidence of approaching already puts you in the top 20% of men. Your overall aesthetics are only one piece of what makes a man attractive. Like I said, stop making stupid ass excuses

[–]empatheticapathetic[S] 0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

That girl definitely didn't rate me ftr.

Ok that helps. I've read it before but it's slipped through my mind all the reasons I'm worth approaching women. And I just get too fixated on the reasons why I'm not. Do you know of any particular post or link that has this mindset clearly defined I can reread regularly? Cheers

[–]RobertCarraway2 points3 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

I think the best thing you can do is continue to focus on improving your physique.

How often do you lift? It's good that you are getting stronger, but have you actually gained considerable weight?

[–]empatheticapathetic[S] 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

I don't really look like I lift tbh although I obviously look somewhat better. Was considering changing to a PPL tomorrow following my PR breakthrough and due to generously timed work shifts (more time in the morning).

Ftr im an endomorph

[–]RobertCarraway0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Then from a social rewards perspective your lifting doesn't matter. Focus on that. Get your diet right, its 80% of your results. You should be eating one gram of protein for every lb of weight each day. And keep your diet caloric excess until you pack on at least 10 lbs of healthy weight.

[–]empatheticapathetic[S] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

I eat a lot of protein and fat a day. I aim for 140g of protein daily (i'm 75kg) as this was my goal when i was on keto.

I am increasing steadily in lifts tbh whereas previously i lacked the diet, determination, routine, focus and assistance exercises before. Also out for a while due to an injury and wasn't getting any relief which i now get from stretching and yoga.

Once i hit intermediate for my weight according to strengthstandards.co i intend to change to a more hypertrophy based routine.

https://imgur.com/a/kMGbv

What do you think to this plan?

[–]RobertCarraway0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

When you say you aim for 140G, do you track this on a fitness app? I would bump that up to 160G. Do you track your calories?

You are overcomplicating it. Why would you wait to change to a hypertrophy based routine? Do it now. I am picking up from you that you might be making the mistake of focusing too much on the routine. Forget that. Lift heavy weights and make 100% sure that diet your primary focus.

[–]empatheticapathetic[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Hey. I track it 6 days out of 7 tbh. I eat a lot of the same meals so I know the protein and fat levels of each (carbs are a toss up but I don't eat much other than veg or occasionally chips/pizza).

My routine isn't anything anymore. It's just 5x5 of whatever compounds I can reasonably do that day that needs doing plus accessories. I am moving in a couple weeks and so I'm waiting for my routine to be set in my new place before committing to a new workout routine. (I lift at home currently so no machines).

My upper body is lagging so I want to get that closer to those standards I posted before changing is another reason. All I do is lift heavy compounds with the intention of increasing numbers with some pull-ups, dips and yoga thrown in.

Do you have a particular routine I should check out? I have no idea other than 5x5

[–]RobertCarraway0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Well, you're on point then, I didn't realize you are so fastidious with your diet. I'm just accustomed to people underestimating the importance of getting the diet right.

I don't track my routine, I simply go for intensity and high weight. It has worked for me so far (went from 170 to 195 in healthy weight, now have a very athletic build).

Keep it up!

[–]empatheticapathetic[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Awesome, thanks a lot for your help and clarification.

[–]empatheticapathetic[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yo bro. Not sure if you know much on T but I did a private test recently. Here are the results if there is anything useful to glean from them: https://m.imgur.com/a/IriDM

[–]addwater1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol wtf is a semi-virgin, either you've put your penis inside a vagina or you haven't

[–]liberty11273 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Wtf is a semi virgin

[–]room_3035 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Lost it to a escort so he thinks it wasn't 'legit'?

[–]j_ok_i4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

That's probably why he still puts pussy on a pedestal. He likely thinks sex needs to be some kind of "connection" with someone "special".

[–]AWLT_34872 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

lol

[–]empatheticapathetic[S] -2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

No i don't but i don't see how it's attainable other than paying for it. I say semi because i could barely get hard and it wasn't really sex at all.

[–]Casd121 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

stop watching porn, I bet after these 3 years, you still watch it. You didnt implement the theories into your life. You just read about it and thats probably about it. Apply it in real life

[–]empatheticapathetic[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No porn. Did nofap and developed that discipline before I found TRP.

[–]trp_nofap_rewire20180 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m wondering too, gotta be another way of saying autistic

[–]trp_nofap_rewire20182 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I stopped reading at “semi virgin”.

[–]Ricardo29910 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Get rejected. A lot. Talk to the hottest girls and most popular guys. Seek rejection. Anxiety has another name, pussy disorder. Stop being a pussy. Stop thinking and start doing.

[–]empatheticapathetic[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Once I get rejected a bunch, then what.

[–]W_O_M_B_A_T0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

regular flirting with my postwall hb4 boss since starting my job. Genuinely attracted to her and feel incredible when talking to her.

Because there's no point in approaching her and no reason she would truly be interested in you. So she's "safe." She can't reject you. The narratives about safety have been played out where you want them to go. Your boxes have been checked, it's safe to proceed.

Oneitis has everything to do with self-sabotage. Because until you sabotage your chances with women, you can't feel safe.

The problem is your haven't been rejected nearly enough, you haven't failed nearly enough. You still think being rejected is a fatal threat.

No woman in the world can make you unsafe.

Let us know when you're tired of living under your self-imposed horror fantasies.

[–]empatheticapathetic[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm probably the highest SMV guy who has ever shown her interest. She's single and every other male in my office who hits on her is light years more retarded than me. I'm youngish, have multiple social circles, musician, not needy (with her), lift etc. Why wouldn't she be interested?

All I've had is rejection at different levels. If that's all that's on offer then fuck it, why am I playing anymore? If she can give me success then I might just take it. I can actually believe it because I can actually see I am higher SMV. It's not some weird manipulation to extract a resource (she's extracting a higher SMV of course) or humiliate me.

Easy to tell me it's all not a big deal and I'm just a pussy sitting up there with some positive experience and abundance.

[–]empatheticapathetic[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Was out tonight. Basically realised (as I realise every time I'm out) I just need to have some more experience with escorts, build my sexual confidence up and then go for my boss.

I'm kinda drunk but I can't believe I didn't get a useful answer from this post. Sign from reality gave me a mindfulness exercise to battle self limiting beliefs which I am starting tomorrow but damn everything else was just a superficial attack.

Some 50+ bartender gave me the eyes. Nearly asked for her number the second time but didn't bother as she was no longer that receptive.

Got my answer from tonight and this post. U answered one of my last posts so thought ud have a more contextual answer but whatever.

[–]W_O_M_B_A_T0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

So, what's your long-term endgame, here?

What's your worst case scenario? being sexless and rejected for a decade or more?

The good news is that as far as women goes, you have literally nothing to lose. You can behave however you want and say anything you want, and worse case, you go back home alone. Escorts? It's a lot better than what you're doing now.(Unless it's at work.)

Based on some of the stuff you've wrote you sound like you've got a lot of bitterness and acrimony and victimhood. (Nothing new on this sub.) But until you take personal ownership of that, it's going to erode your attempts to maintain amused mastery. You're in the anger/mistrust phase. This is what follows the Idealization/devaluation phase, it's part of your brain's immune system.

[–]empatheticapathetic[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I've been sexless for a decade now. Done with it. My plan i keep replanning is to go twice a month as a reward for hitting fitness goals assuming I can afford it. Moving to a new area in 2 weeks with a lot more students therefore a lot of young student escorts.

personal ownership

Tell me what to do, because I don't know. That's what this thread was asking in the first place.

Yesterday I did my lifts, some HIIT, went to yoga. The teacher was hot, young and really nice to me which I appreciated. Then went to a show (alone). Opened about 10 dudes, added 4 on Facebook. Opened 5 girls. 2 I already knew, both being the subject of a previous asktrp post each. Both are pretty uninterested now because I've killed whatever attraction they had to me. No other girls were bothered. Most interested was this old wrinkly out of place bartender.

At the end of the show I still did a bunch of kino with the younger (initially) more interested one despite her being there with her male plate. Tied her large hair up while they were talking. Told her she has disrespected my culture with her actions when she tried stopping me. Spun her around. Picked her up and pretended to throw her into the dance pit for not 'dancing' all night like me. 'Jokingly' amogged her plate for the same reason. Held her hands behind her back until she agreed with me. Whatever, was fun.

I'm good at that. Don't know what to do beyond it and I wouldn't get hard if she was in my bedroom anyway because she's hot and I have no sexual confidence.

I get hard just looking at my bosses face and she knows it. I know I'm better than her and that she wants me so I naturally have the confidence to do all the shit I want with her. I throw her around the office a lot when it's just the two of us (good body bad face no personality old).

Again the only way I see out is escorts then boss if she's still an option.

What actionable steps can I take other than this plan above?

[–]W_O_M_B_A_T0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Keep approaching. Keep escalating physically.

Remember all pussy feels basically the same when the lights are out.

Follow the 13 Commandments of Poon.

When drama or rejection happens, strengthen your zero fucks given response. Just grin and giggle and and talk to someone else.

If you're paying escorts for their time, ask them if they've had female clients and ask how they typically flirt and escalate physically with them. (Of course fish may not be the best source for fishing advice, but still, you don't make it as a sex worker if you don't pay attention to what works.)

I've been sexless for a decade now. Done with it. My plan i keep replanning is to go twice a month as a reward for hitting fitness goals assuming I can afford it. Moving to a new area in 2 weeks with a lot more students therefore a lot of young student escorts.

personal ownership

Tell me what to do, because I don't know. That's what this thread was asking in the first place.

Just based on your responses, you're pretty defensive, you're impatient, you have a tendency to act like a victim when you feel people aren't listening. (Tends to be learned behaviors from engulfing or narcissistic parents.)

Read up on the "Grey Rock Technique"

*Remember, stop Justifying. Stop Explaining yourself. Stop defending. Stop rationalizing. Stop arguing anything. Just don't do it under any circumstances.

Especially don't complain about anyone's treatment of you. You handle your own shit, other people are cunts, you already knew this, so fuck em. *

At worst, repeat your earlier statements or just say "I disagree."

Don't know what to do beyond it and I wouldn't get hard if she was in my bedroom anyway because she's hot and I have no sexual confidence.

Happened before, has it?

Read The Sex God Method.

Use your fingers. Get her to tell you how she likes her clitoris teased. Find the G-spot. Tease the hell out of her.

She'll be back for round two. Who cares about your man knob?

In the end, what's going to happen? Is the pure little innocent angel going to be disappointed with you? Poor thing. Oh well, there's not a shortage of other women who like fun and sex.

Shit happens. Why are you so bent out of shape over something that despite all your efforts, you couldn't control?

[–]empatheticapathetic[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

So nothing then? I'm straight up asking for help

[–]W_O_M_B_A_T0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Stop being needy.

You come here asking for 100% free advice, and you expect 30 minute service?

[–]bigbodybuilderr0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

So you've been reading for 3 years but you're still a cuck? Hate to tell you but if flirting with a hb4 is your best experience then you have very little SMV.

[–]empatheticapathetic[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I don't doubt that. And I'd be a cuck if I had a slut gf sure, but not otherwise.

[–]CrispyDeetz 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

What the fuck is a semi virgin? You're frustrated about not getting laid even though you dont want to get laid? You're jaded.

[–]empatheticapathetic[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Couldn't really get hard with the escort so I couldn't actually fuck. So I don't really count it.

Yeah I am jaded. I don't see a way out. Do you have any advice?

[–]Incognito_famous 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I haven't read your post. You lost me at the title. Semi-virgin? Either you are a virgin or you are not. If she let you stick just the tip that doesn't make you semi-virgin/whatever the fuck.

[–]empatheticapathetic[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol i'll read this reply when you read the post

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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