Asking for a raise a second time...

FereallyRed · 2019-05-19T17:24:51+00:00

Go get another job offer.

If you're as valuable as they say, they won't want to lose you.

You know they're just blowing smoke up your ass about a 3% raise being a BIG DEAL and trying to guilt you into being a team player. Using the car dealership trick of a CEO somewhere.

You can roll over or you can find another job offer.

Then go back to your manager and tell him the six months is almost up, your job responsibilities have grown yet again, and you have an offer from another company you're considering.

You need leverage, and the willingness to walk away.

When I was up and coming, I moved all across the country. There is no job loyalty anymore, and saving money by paying employees as little as they will bear is profitable. I moved 14 times in a 10 year period. Get job, prove value. Negotiate raise. Get denied. Find new job. Leave. Repeat.

It costs a company training time to hire you, and to hire your replacement. Unfortunately not many companies have that forethought, so they remain in the practice of nickel and dimeing themselves to death.

AwesomeTheKid · 2019-05-19T17:25:28+00:00

There have been a few posts on this in the sidebar, but I'll try to summarize what I remember.

Be ready to walk at any time. The fact that you stayed after you got rejected the first tine means that firstly, they have no respect for you, and secondly, they think they can do whatever you want.

Treat your job like plates. When your main one starts acting up, apply dread. And when that doesn't work, don't be afraid to actually walk out. Abundance mentality.

A thing to remember is that jobs don't determine how much value you have. They pay you what they think you're worth, and this is often way less than what you deserve. Shop around the market and find out what similar positions are getting as compensation. Also, actually apply for those positions, and when you get them, only then you should bargain with your current job. You should come from a position of power, not inferiority. If your current employers won't give you what you want, you have the full right to leave.

Get anything and everything in writing. Any company's number 1 priority is themselves. They will run circles around you and in 6 months you'll be in the same shituation as what you are now.

Lastly, don't stay where you're not wanted or appreciated. Life is too short to be unhappy for the 1/2 of it that you're awake.

I'm sure there are things I've missed. You're not the first person to go through this. You're not the first person to be screwed over. "Idiot's don't learn from their mistakes. Smart men do. Wise men learn from other's mistakes."

And as always, RTFS.

BPasFuck · 2019-05-19T19:03:17+00:00

These guys are blowing smoke up your ass and attempting to string you along.

'Get you a raise in 6 years,' lol. They barely plan 6 months ahead, let alone 6 years.

Be ready to job hop, like u/FereallyRed has already told you. You might be able to chisel more money out of these jokers, once you have another job offer in hand-- but I wouldn't stay.

These dumbshits have already demonstrated their quality to you. And they've also demonstrated what they think of you.

On some level, they think of you as a naive, easily strung along, stupid kid. Consequently, they will be constantly trying to take advantage of you-- even after you might think you've demonstrated your worth.

It's kind of like trying to repair a romantic relationship after you've fucked it up. It's almost never worth the struggle, when you can start fresh and new elsewhere with a clear record.

There's a magical thing that happens when you start in a new place:

You get the benefit of the doubt. Your new employers and most of your coworkers will automatically interpret everything you do in the best possible light. You will be taking advantage of what's called The Honeymoon period.

Why? Because they just went through a lot of time and hassle hiring you, and are predisposed to believe they made the right choice.

On the other hand, you have your current employers, who you are no longer in the honeymoon period with. You are in the equivalent of the 7 year stretch.

In their minds, you're worth keeping around, because you're in place, trained, and they're not paying you much-- but, you're not a rockstar. Nah. In fact, they probably think they're doing you a favor-- training you and seasoning you with all these extra responsibilities. What a lucky kid! You should be paying them for the opportunity!

I'm exaggerating a bit, but as you go through your working life, you will see variations of these themes again and again.

Sometimes, a worker will get passed over and passed over for a promotion. Then they'll go work somewhere else for a year or two. Then they come back with the promotion, and managers will just be suckin' dick, gushing how they're 'seasoned,' and 'bringing new energy.'

And the truth is, they're the same asshole they were before-- how much did they really change and grow in 2 years? Not much at all, it's just bullshitters spewing their bull.

So, believe nothing that isn't in writing. And even if it is-- the writing won't guarantee they aren't holding grudges after you chisel a raise out of them.

Jump companies. Negotiate a substantial starting salary increase at your new destination. Something more than enough to cover the cost of moving, and any increased living expenses in your new location.

Be ready to rinse, wash, and repeat for the next 5 to 6 years.

beginner_ · 2019-05-19T18:12:38+00:00

I don't know about US, but here the only way to get a meaningful raise is changing jobs. (5% would actually be good here, the average is usually 1% including promotions etc). Hence negotiating when getting a new job is critical because you can expect do not get anymore unless you leave.

Also, my manager said that my boss said he tried to give some of his bonus to me but couldn't. My manager then said he talked to the CEO and in 6 months (which is about now) he will try to get me more money. Im thinking damn we must be doing terrible, yet, come march a couple months later when we get our bonuses, we had the best financial year IN YEARS.

BS. I've heard variations of that story a gazillion times. You should not belief a word of it.

I could "black mail" them with another offer but I doubt that is ever worth it because why would you stay there if such moves are needed to get a raise? And it just leaves a general bad taste. Just leave on good terms so if it happens to be you could return, into a much higher paid position of course.

FilthyStylish · 2019-05-19T18:30:07+00:00

Honestly I’d look for a new job and leave on good terms. I’m also in a very similar situation as you and I don’t see a point in asking for more raises. They won’t give it to you. They would have already if they were willing to.

Obviously finding a new job isn’t easy and it may take some time. But you have to negotiate your “high” salary right from the beginning. Huge raises are very uncommon so don’t expect them. Managers can and will sweet talk you all the time. But actions speak louder that words. If they refuse to give you a proper raise NOW, they won’t do it in the future.

AceMav21 · 2019-05-19T22:08:09+00:00

Duck you job get another one. Probably be making $70k. I know a me who was some type of machinist technician making $38k for 2 1/2 years never got a raise. Went to a Chevy dealership and 10 months into his first year had bagged $78k

Cametotherightplace · 2019-05-20T07:04:04+00:00

Was in same situation. Bounced to a new job after they promoted me and gave me a 5 percent raise. New company offered 20 percent raise on my current salary at probably half the work. you're probably disposable, so your company won't give you much more. Seeing you've been there for 1.5 years you're most likely not that valuable. After I left they promoted someone else to my position at less pay. Always someone else willing to do the work and sometimes for less. Also on a side note dont ask a second time. Just remind them the 6 months time frame is ending and you'd like to hear their offer. Be willing to walk away or you hold no power at the table.

Title	Asking for a raise a second time...
Author	rizzyfromthe9
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Date	May 19, 2019 3:33 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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