Catch-22: if she puts out quickly for you, she’s not relationship material because it means she’s easy and can’t be trusted in an LTR. If she doesn’t, it means she’s done it with other guys but not for you and sees you as relationship and possibly even bb material. What do?

thesoloronin · 2020-07-11T20:54:17+00:00

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mrpoopistan · 2020-07-11T22:19:55+00:00

Simple solution: stop living your life according to shit you read on the internet.

The biggest thing you'll ever from take from TRP isn't a list of do and don't things. What you should gain is a confident belief in the necessity of your own decision-making, but with an understanding that it all occurs in context.

Relationships aren't algebra formulas to be solved.

And frankly, I'll disagree on the premise that putting out early is LTR death. people aren't that simple.

needless_pickup_line · 2020-07-11T21:15:03+00:00

Time until sex is arbitrary. Logistics plays a big part and those are always variable. As long as you're not waiting for a month it doesn't matter.

If it's just a plate, who cares if she fucked Chad on the first date and you on the third. Get your dick wet and be on your way.

If it's a relationship, you should be focusing on the quality/enthusiasm of sex and how well she treats you overall.

amwfhunter · 2020-07-11T18:46:21+00:00

Wtf. If u get laid it is a win. You are analyzing too much than getting your dick wet.

Autreals · 2020-07-11T19:34:55+00:00

The girl I’m plating Rn made her ex boyfriend wear a condom, wouldn’t give him head, and didn’t let him anywhere near her ass. I get whatever I want, including anal whenever I want it. Alpha fucks beta bucks. If she sees you as high enough value, a girl will break any rules for you. If she makes you wait, the genuine desire isn’t there. No genuine desire= a fucking terrible LTR. Next those girls.

Chadster113 · 2020-07-11T18:37:42+00:00

The relationship isn’t the point.

ProFriendZoner · 2020-07-11T19:21:02+00:00

Girls who make you wait are NOT worth your time. Read The Rational Male.

holyshocker · 2020-07-11T21:23:33+00:00

What do?

Women will cheat if you let yourself go after being shredded for 20 years. Doesn't matter how good you were or what you've done for her. How many dicks she's had or how long she waited to suck and fuck each dick she ever had.

All comes down to you. And if you always do your best and it's not good enough then move the fuck on. Don't like the game? Then go fuck yourself.

TheGirlGetter9000 · 2020-07-11T21:12:24+00:00

You don’t HAVE to think exactly this way. Realize there’s nuance.

My LTR banged me our first hangout. She had one ONS in the past too and 3 total partners. Idrc. I got the best she gave to anyone, and it’s been a good relationship.

Honestly, barring a virgin, I’d take a girl who put out for me quickly any day of the week, long as it’s not a habit for her. Pretty much every non-virgin has had or will have a ONS, so if it wasn’t you, it was someone else. Rather it was me, and as few “someone elses” as possible.

IXseed · 2020-07-11T19:53:54+00:00

All that matters is that she's doing what you wanna do. That "if she gives it up fast, she can't be a gf" shit is what HS kids say that don't know any better.

Grave_Heresy · 2020-07-11T22:52:26+00:00

From what I am reading it looks like you are in the market for an LTR.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3IW6kxEGOqo

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dqnPm6sFRgM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5aTKb9OKerI

The point that you are missing is that LTR don't work. Maybe 70 years ago before social media and sex positive feminists were a thing LTR would have been a good deal. But now, you should only be looking for short-term. I'm talking 90 days, then dump.

Unless she is a verified virgin (Which really isn't possible) then you are probably getting the football team's leftovers. The farther from 18 that you go, the higher her number. By 30 most females have a body count in the 100s thanks to Tinder and Bumble.

The distinction that you have to see is that women are going after two types of guys. The Alpha who they will readily do anything for in bed and the beta who they will only give missionary too....Occasionally.

The Alpha gets it for free because he is who she really wants. But because he has so many options he ain't going to settle.

The beta has to pay for it because she isn't attracted to him. She needs him to pay her bills and give her the social standing that comes with being a wife. Because the beta is committed to her, she doesn't have to impress him in bed so she doesn't. The truth is she could care less about the beta.

Understand that 98% of Western women have been demolished by Alphas and are unable to form lasting relationships with average men because the bar has been raised to ridiculous levels for them. If you are an average dude (5'10, 22% bodyfat, 5 inch d* ck) you are not going to be able to do an LTR with a female. Hell even top shelf guys don't bother.

Tambamwham · 2020-07-11T23:47:18+00:00

Putting out quickly has no bearing on her being relationship material or not. It’s actually the opposite. Girls that make you wait aren’t relationship material

catz123456 · 2020-07-12T01:45:18+00:00

When you're high smv, they all put out quickly. They knew if they don't give it up, you'll just find another.

vicious_armbar · 2020-07-12T09:53:57+00:00

Late to the party but there are four possibilities.

She puts out quickly:

A.) She’s a slut who likes dick

B.) She isn’t a slut but you happened to rev her engine

She doesn’t put out quickly:

C.) She’s a prude

D.) She isn’t into you

Possibilities A & B are obviously way better than C or D. With option B obviously being the best.

Musicgoon · 2020-07-11T20:19:43+00:00

Without sex, there is no relationship. Don't waste your time looking for your special snowflake.

Fulp_Piction · 2020-07-11T23:12:17+00:00

The madonna whore complex.

As much as we men like to think we're pillars of rationality and logic we aren't without our weird wiring.

If you're getting your needs met then who cares? If you want an LTR you're gonna have to deal the fact that the way women live their lives is outside the sphere of your control, so fuck it. Play the hand you're dealt in whatever way makes you happy.

If you blame women for their nature you'll never be happy. The real issue is that the idea of women we were fed being is so hilariously wrong that it's embarrassing to think we ever believed it.

jackandjill22 · 2020-07-12T03:07:24+00:00

Not really. It's not as zero-sum as you put it.

jon_ster · 2020-07-12T03:24:57+00:00

Over thinking. Follow you’re reasoned choice. Be safe out there.

askmrcia · 2020-07-12T18:22:08+00:00

One thing you and everyone else on this thread is missing is how hard did you work for it to get a girl to put out easy on the first or second date.

Like if a girl let's you fuck on the first date and you barely had to do anything such as game and pass shit tests then that girl ain't worth it.

She has to be somewhat of a challenge.

Now if you bang a girl on first or second date and you actually had to work for it such as taking her on a real date, have good conversations, use game, pass shit tests and past LMR, then yes she may not be a whore who let's any guy fuck.

Now if a girl makes you wait then they are never worth it unless they are a virgin. Period.

So in conclusion you'll know if a girl is not sleeping around depending on how much of a challenge she actually is.

Whether she fucks you on the first or second date doesn't matter.

My last three LTRs all put out on the second date. All three had little experience because the sex was iffy at first. Things got better the more time we went at it.

BluzzKill · 2020-07-11T19:09:07+00:00

Yeah. Funny how that works. There is a small sliver in between that is the target.

Bungeeeeee · 2020-07-11T23:25:18+00:00

Do the first and ignore if she doesn't put out fast and just approach and text more girls until you get better at creating attraction/being desireable. Don't even consider LTR until you are banging several plates and have an all green flag/zero red flag girl bring immense additional non-sexual value to your life and you find it a smart move in general to go to ltr. But you are not ready to think about it yet. Hint: when you are banging several plates, you won't care that much if you fuck a girl right away because scarcity won't fuck with your ego.

stanleyplmt · 2020-07-12T03:16:35+00:00

What does “bb” mean?

acoltismypassport · 2020-07-12T13:43:09+00:00

It's a good general rule, but not an absolute. In theory, you could be the guy who ticks ALL the boxes in her 'ultimate man' criteria list; and so she'll submit to you in a way that she didn't to others. Statistically, this must be the case for a certain portion of women. Just like there are some guys who wouldn't fuck chicks who smoke cigarettes, or have tattoos. But let's say your personal 9/10, who either smoked, had tattoos (or both) gave you an in one night at the bar? Could very well be a game changer.

These things are nuanced, and you'd do well to learn how to distinguish the details from the generalities.

Mufasavader88 · 2020-07-14T04:45:29+00:00

Attraction cannot be negotiated

Individual_Process_3 · 2020-09-17T20:47:54+00:00

no one is promised any tommorrow's, just smile at gifts given to you

DTron2332 · 2020-07-11T21:33:34+00:00

Fucked my current LTR during the first 20 minutes of meeting her, we kept in contact about a month before that on Snapchat. 3rd day seeing her she made me dinner at her college, and I sticked my cock in her raw in her dorm room with 3-4 of her friends inside, which she desperately wanted. She wasn’t on the pill either.

Her previous bf and all the guys she’s been with before me absolutely sucked at sex, and had small or below average cocks. They were afraid to touch her. I enjoy smacking her and spitting in her mouth. She does anything I tell her to, including anal and has told me she would do a threesome with another girl only. If they view you as higher value, they will do just about anything for you, since you’re their “other half” and you just feel “right.”