Catch-22: if she puts out quickly for you, she’s not relationship material because it means she’s easy and can’t be trusted in an LTR. If she doesn’t, it means she’s done it with other guys but not for you and sees you as relationship and possibly even bb material. What do?

July 11, 2020

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Title Catch-22: if she puts out quickly for you, she’s not relationship material because it means she’s easy and can’t be trusted in an LTR. If she doesn’t, it means she’s done it with other guys but not for you and sees you as relationship and possibly even bb material. What do?
Author MerryVegetableGarden
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Date July 11, 2020 6:16 PM UTC (11 months ago)
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[–]thesoloronin4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This. Comprehensive!

[–]mrpoopistan60 points61 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Simple solution: stop living your life according to shit you read on the internet.

The biggest thing you'll ever from take from TRP isn't a list of do and don't things. What you should gain is a confident belief in the necessity of your own decision-making, but with an understanding that it all occurs in context.

Relationships aren't algebra formulas to be solved.

And frankly, I'll disagree on the premise that putting out early is LTR death. people aren't that simple.

[–]needless_pickup_line40 points41 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Time until sex is arbitrary. Logistics plays a big part and those are always variable. As long as you're not waiting for a month it doesn't matter.

If it's just a plate, who cares if she fucked Chad on the first date and you on the third. Get your dick wet and be on your way.

If it's a relationship, you should be focusing on the quality/enthusiasm of sex and how well she treats you overall.

[–]amwfhunter12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wtf. If u get laid it is a win. You are analyzing too much than getting your dick wet.

[–]Autreals61 points62 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

The girl I’m plating Rn made her ex boyfriend wear a condom, wouldn’t give him head, and didn’t let him anywhere near her ass. I get whatever I want, including anal whenever I want it. Alpha fucks beta bucks. If she sees you as high enough value, a girl will break any rules for you. If she makes you wait, the genuine desire isn’t there. No genuine desire= a fucking terrible LTR. Next those girls.

[–]holyshocker50 points51 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Lmao about you and knowing her sex history in such detail. Don't waste your time comparing yourself to other guys.

[–]kclanton8032 points33 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And thinking the got a special deal because they are “Alpha”

[–]Autreals4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I normally wouldn’t care, but considering I worked with the dude and he constantly complained about it, it seemed relevant. It did stroke my ego dick having her beg me to take the rubber off. I didn’t until I had a clean STD test, but it’s hard not to compare when you had to listen to groaning for months, and then it was so easy.

[–]thesoloronin2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You mean your STD test or her STD test?

[–]dummmy7600 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

nice dude... enjoy..

[–]MerryVegetableGarden[S] 12 points13 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Are you going in wrapperless?

[–]opper-hombre123 points24 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is the first time I’ve heard the term “wrapper less” and I think it’s hilarious lmao

[–]ProFriendZoner1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you're going to attack her, wrap your whacker!

[–]Autreals3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It’s a personal preference. I know she takes birth control, and she’s clean. Could she potentially scam me, and ruin my life, yeah. It’s a risk I take. You don’t have to.

[–]beginner_-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's like covid19. Taking the risk sounds like a reasonable position until you actually get it and realize the gravity of your mistake. You don't know yet just how fucked you will be if she gets pregnant.

[–]dr_warlock2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She was fucking some other guy while with her ex just like she is with you. You ain't special

[–]EnhancedNatural4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

of course you are, snowflake.

[–]MisterRoid-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't get guys who agree to wear condoms in relationships. Really pathetic. No point to be in a relationship then. Might as well jack off to porn then since that feels better than shitty condom sex anyways.

[–]pussykiller009-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol you’re stupid

[–]MisterRoid1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If having good sex makes me stupid so be it. The risk of getting a serious STD is extremely low anyways.

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[–]Chadster11312 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The relationship isn’t the point.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Girls who make you wait are NOT worth your time. Read The Rational Male.

[–]ProFriendZoner19 points20 points  (2 children) | Copy Link


Steve Harvey tells women to wait 90 days before having sex with a guy.

Ain't no fuckin' way.

She'll be lucky I wait 90 minutes.

I can picture some poor simp patiently waiting, wining, dining her, thinking he's in.

Then they go to a party and some hot looking guy lays some top notch game on her saying all the right things. Next thing you know he's fucking her in the bathroom while our simp is knocking on the door with one hand, holding his dick in the other asking "Is this his 90th day?"

[–]Dianded11 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lmao that made me laugh

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lmao couldn’t have said it better myself

[–]holyshocker7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What do?

Women will cheat if you let yourself go after being shredded for 20 years. Doesn't matter how good you were or what you've done for her. How many dicks she's had or how long she waited to suck and fuck each dick she ever had.

All comes down to you. And if you always do your best and it's not good enough then move the fuck on. Don't like the game? Then go fuck yourself.

[–]TheGirlGetter90005 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You don’t HAVE to think exactly this way. Realize there’s nuance.

My LTR banged me our first hangout. She had one ONS in the past too and 3 total partners. Idrc. I got the best she gave to anyone, and it’s been a good relationship.

Honestly, barring a virgin, I’d take a girl who put out for me quickly any day of the week, long as it’s not a habit for her. Pretty much every non-virgin has had or will have a ONS, so if it wasn’t you, it was someone else. Rather it was me, and as few “someone elses” as possible.

[–]IXseed7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

All that matters is that she's doing what you wanna do. That "if she gives it up fast, she can't be a gf" shit is what HS kids say that don't know any better.

[–]Grave_Heresy4 points5 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

From what I am reading it looks like you are in the market for an LTR.

The point that you are missing is that LTR don't work. Maybe 70 years ago before social media and sex positive feminists were a thing LTR would have been a good deal. But now, you should only be looking for short-term. I'm talking 90 days, then dump.

Unless she is a verified virgin (Which really isn't possible) then you are probably getting the football team's leftovers. The farther from 18 that you go, the higher her number. By 30 most females have a body count in the 100s thanks to Tinder and Bumble.

The distinction that you have to see is that women are going after two types of guys. The Alpha who they will readily do anything for in bed and the beta who they will only give missionary too....Occasionally.

The Alpha gets it for free because he is who she really wants. But because he has so many options he ain't going to settle.

The beta has to pay for it because she isn't attracted to him. She needs him to pay her bills and give her the social standing that comes with being a wife. Because the beta is committed to her, she doesn't have to impress him in bed so she doesn't. The truth is she could care less about the beta.

Understand that 98% of Western women have been demolished by Alphas and are unable to form lasting relationships with average men because the bar has been raised to ridiculous levels for them. If you are an average dude (5'10, 22% bodyfat, 5 inch d* ck) you are not going to be able to do an LTR with a female. Hell even top shelf guys don't bother.

[–]MerryVegetableGarden[S] -2 points-1 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

But we’re genetic dead ends then, bro. Each generation will be lower-T beta-ier because those are the only guys willing to get married. Mankind will be completely pussified in a few short generations. We’ll be steamrolled by high-T Islamic rapists.

[–]Grave_Heresy1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Are you serious right now? They will have kids by Chad and Tyrone. Even if you marry them they will have kids by Alpha males lol.

Also, this makes no sense. You don't owe western society anything. Not sure if you are being prejudiced by the Islamic rapist comment but don't hate on them because their religion lets them have more women than you. The majority of them are good people. Better than some of the White Knights I've met in the US.

EDIT: I have high T (1000s) it doesn't do much any way except make you horny and hairy. You also go bald pretty early. Been using shit ton of rogaine lol

[–]MerryVegetableGarden[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

They may be good people but they retard entire civilizations. They only teach the Koran at madrassas, bro, not science and mathematics. The Saudis need expats to design all their cool shit because their school curriculum’s trash. The Islamics are technologically regressive.

[–]dummmy7602 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

im from saudia arabia and we do teach math and science here... the exact same topics and levels in the us...

[–]Grave_Heresy4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Bruh you kidding me right now? Did you not stay awake in history class? Almost everything that we know about technology wouldn't have been possible without the cumulative advancement of mathematical thought that came from math and science of Muslims. You crazy lol

[–]SmurfSC2TW21 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

i think he has brain damage, or is raised by drop out chritian single mother.

[–]SmurfSC2TW20 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

rather than lower-t i d rather worry about our iq regression, seeing that you are the perfect walking piece of evidence.

[–]MerryVegetableGarden[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I suppose high-IQ individuals like yourself will have to average 2.1+ children.

[–]Tambamwham2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Putting out quickly has no bearing on her being relationship material or not. It’s actually the opposite. Girls that make you wait aren’t relationship material

[–]MerryVegetableGarden[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Easy girls cheat, bro.

[–]Tambamwham8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nope. The likelyhood of cheating is the same for all women because they cheat for the same reasons. Infidelity has nothing to do with morals. For every guy crying about his dumb choice to try to turn a hoe into a housewife, there’s a guy crying about how he thought he had a “good girl.”

[–]anicebigrodforyou0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They all cheat

[–]catz1234562 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

When you're high smv, they all put out quickly. They knew if they don't give it up, you'll just find another.

[–]vicious_armbar2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Late to the party but there are four possibilities.

She puts out quickly:

A.) She’s a slut who likes dick

B.) She isn’t a slut but you happened to rev her engine

She doesn’t put out quickly:

C.) She’s a prude

D.) She isn’t into you

Possibilities A & B are obviously way better than C or D. With option B obviously being the best.

[–]Pretty-Slice0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Or maybe e) she’s a virgin

[–]Musicgoon6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Without sex, there is no relationship. Don't waste your time looking for your special snowflake.

[–]MerryVegetableGarden[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yo, but I don’t want to date a slut.

[–]Musicgoon6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well then you aren't going to date. She's not yours, it's just your turn.

[–]Fulp_Piction1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The madonna whore complex.

As much as we men like to think we're pillars of rationality and logic we aren't without our weird wiring.

If you're getting your needs met then who cares? If you want an LTR you're gonna have to deal the fact that the way women live their lives is outside the sphere of your control, so fuck it. Play the hand you're dealt in whatever way makes you happy.

If you blame women for their nature you'll never be happy. The real issue is that the idea of women we were fed being is so hilariously wrong that it's embarrassing to think we ever believed it.

[–]jackandjill221 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not really. It's not as zero-sum as you put it.

[–]jon_ster1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Over thinking. Follow you’re reasoned choice. Be safe out there.

[–]askmrcia1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

One thing you and everyone else on this thread is missing is how hard did you work for it to get a girl to put out easy on the first or second date.

Like if a girl let's you fuck on the first date and you barely had to do anything such as game and pass shit tests then that girl ain't worth it.

She has to be somewhat of a challenge.

Now if you bang a girl on first or second date and you actually had to work for it such as taking her on a real date, have good conversations, use game, pass shit tests and past LMR, then yes she may not be a whore who let's any guy fuck.

Now if a girl makes you wait then they are never worth it unless they are a virgin. Period.

So in conclusion you'll know if a girl is not sleeping around depending on how much of a challenge she actually is.

Whether she fucks you on the first or second date doesn't matter.

My last three LTRs all put out on the second date. All three had little experience because the sex was iffy at first. Things got better the more time we went at it.

[–]BluzzKill1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. Funny how that works. There is a small sliver in between that is the target.

[–]Bungeeeeee0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Do the first and ignore if she doesn't put out fast and just approach and text more girls until you get better at creating attraction/being desireable. Don't even consider LTR until you are banging several plates and have an all green flag/zero red flag girl bring immense additional non-sexual value to your life and you find it a smart move in general to go to ltr. But you are not ready to think about it yet. Hint: when you are banging several plates, you won't care that much if you fuck a girl right away because scarcity won't fuck with your ego.

[–]stanleyplmt0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

What does “bb” mean?

[–]TravisScottNL1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Beta bucks

[–]stanleyplmt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Appreciate it

[–]acoltismypassport0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a good general rule, but not an absolute. In theory, you could be the guy who ticks ALL the boxes in her 'ultimate man' criteria list; and so she'll submit to you in a way that she didn't to others. Statistically, this must be the case for a certain portion of women. Just like there are some guys who wouldn't fuck chicks who smoke cigarettes, or have tattoos. But let's say your personal 9/10, who either smoked, had tattoos (or both) gave you an in one night at the bar? Could very well be a game changer.

These things are nuanced, and you'd do well to learn how to distinguish the details from the generalities.

[–]Mufasavader880 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Attraction cannot be negotiated

[–]Individual_Process_30 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

no one is promised any tommorrow's, just smile at gifts given to you

[–]DTron23321 point2 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Fucked my current LTR during the first 20 minutes of meeting her, we kept in contact about a month before that on Snapchat. 3rd day seeing her she made me dinner at her college, and I sticked my cock in her raw in her dorm room with 3-4 of her friends inside, which she desperately wanted. She wasn’t on the pill either.

Her previous bf and all the guys she’s been with before me absolutely sucked at sex, and had small or below average cocks. They were afraid to touch her. I enjoy smacking her and spitting in her mouth. She does anything I tell her to, including anal and has told me she would do a threesome with another girl only. If they view you as higher value, they will do just about anything for you, since you’re their “other half” and you just feel “right.”

[–]MerryVegetableGarden[S] 12 points13 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

A girl like that isn’t high value or ltr material tho.

[–]DTron23321 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

If she wasn’t, why would I be with her in the first place? I’ve been with her for a year and 2 months, and I vetted her for 3. She does everything I ask of her, lives to please me, cooks for me, and gives me the best sex out of any women I’ve ever fucked. Doesn’t bug me, isn’t needy, doesn’t have a lot of friends, and was raised in a good family.

Sure when I met her she was a bit of a mess, but she was 18. Most women are messes when they don’t have guidance. Have you ever heard of training a women? It’s very possible and easy to do, especially when they’re younger. I don’t want a “high value girl” infact I prefer them 2-3 points below me. A girl that will do anything for me, including wiping my ass if I told her too, is LTR material. A women with an alpha will change her entire mindset and reality just to please you and keep you happy

[–]CasaDeFranco6 points7 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, but you still LTR'd a whore bro.

[–]DTron2332-1 points0 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Yeah you’re exactly right man.. she loves being my whore ;)

[–]amwfhunter2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Until she breaks up with you. Then she will tell the next one about how small your dick is etc. Ive been with girls like this who would tell me I'm the best blah blah blah, I just leave them after I'm done. Any chick who compares and complains to you about their exes will do the same about you when you leave her.

[–]DTron23320 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

All women are like that, I’ve been with more than enough to figure this out. But one thing I do know, is I’m the best she’s ever had, so if we do break up and wants to lie about me? So be it. Doesn’t bother me. You guys are so negative on here, thinking you will find the perfect girl with no imperfections who has no red flags. Some of you need a real wake up call, if a women adds more value to your life, make it easier, I consider that a win in my book. You fucks takes things so seriously, it’s almost autistic.

[–]amwfhunter1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Lol, I wasn't sure where you stood the way it seemed like either you're low key bragging or putting her on a pedestal. I'm guessing and prefer the former. There is no perfect girl with no imperfections, never have I mentioned there was or finding one etc... stop putting your words in my mouth and making an assumption about me and grouping me with many folks here.

[–]DTron23320 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Well you sound that way, complaining about bullshit. I don’t give a fuck, I’ve studied and lived my life enough with a red pill lens to get the just of things, compared to most on here which are amateurs.

Talking positively about my LTR is not putting her on a pedestal, have you ever actually dated a girl before? You want to date one that makes you pretty happy, and will do anything for you. Of course I’m going to brag about that, I have more than what most men wish they can have. Let me tell you it feels amazing, she’s going to be licking my balls tonight.

[–]amwfhunter2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

The most positive LTR experience that I discuss about on here was how influential my ex wife was in expediting my life to becoming a self made millionaire. I wasn't complaining more questioning for clarity. You sounded like an amateur not saying you are so dont get triggered like a feminist. Hence, you do realize on asktrp sometimes folks may be challenged or questioned when you post certain things to which you did clarify. I am not the only one either so obviously the way you wrote was perceived differently than your intention. A lot of men have what you have. It is cool to feel good. I even acknowledged that I hope you were bragging more than putting a chick on a pedestal. I think perhaps you need to not underestimate people, we're not all dumb here.

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